Topic: Can maths help you win in gambling ? - page 25. (Read 6399 times)

It basically has a little impact on your results but not completely. You must not be making progress in gambling until you are not luck on that one day. Things can be on your side if you have excellent mathematics and you are throughout going on those probability and statistics. But at the end, again, it all comes to luck. If you are lucky best results be there to welcome you and vice versa.

A maths lesson in probability will certainly help you prove that every gambling game will make you lose your money in the long term. That's all. There's nothing to do with maths otherwise when gambling. It's all luck.

Yes gambling is far from calculating and math is not an option when we play gambling. Gambling games rely solely on luck and that is a matter of course. If you see anyone saying that he can win the gambling with the help of mathematical calculations then it is a lie !! do not believe and use your mind!

No mate there is a connection b/w maths and gambling. But I agree that luck is the main role in gambling to win our bets. Some professional gamblers will use this math method to win their bets. How and what is that strategy I don't know. You want to know how the maths will work in gambling then watch 21 movies.

Well you could use math to calculate the odds.
Based on the odds of winning you can calculate (again math) how much and when to bet in order to optimize win.

So yeah if you know math and you know how to use it, it will help you win!
If you do not understand it => then you are doomed to never win...



This is all you need. In fact if you are able to calculate when to bet and how much to bet you can win in any game.

Let's say you toss a coin.
You got only two options heads or tails.
so it will monitor and tell you when to bet.
As for the first toss to be hears (or tails) is 50% it will tell you to bet 0.
Second time to toss heads again has fallen to 25% and so on until you decide you are ok to bet.
So if you say it is only luck, and you are totally unlucky, you can set this to be lower then 1%.
So once you hit that odds you make a bet and you win, if not you can then double your bet and so on until you win, as by then the possibility will get insane low (better chance to be killed by alien bacteria that has just arrived from a meteoroid that has just landed on the other side of the platen in the next 5 seconds...

So no matter how unlucky you are math can help you win in any game of chance, you just need to understand the math and know how to use it.

Math’s is just the subject which can help you in calculating profits and losses but it cannot help you in winning the game and that too in gambling. Gambling as we all know is a gem which is totally dependent on luck and I really don’t believe that there is any connection between luck and mathematics, Lol. Mathematics is just there to tell you that you are going in loss.

Well it really boils down to what game you're going to use math on. It certainly won't help you on games that's purely luck reliant like dice and slots. Aside from calculating the money you're going to burn of course.

Mathematics is very useful in our everyday life. My teacher told us that if we want to get rich, we must first be financially intelligent. He also told us that if we are sad, all we can do is reach for a calculator and compute for the amount of money we might own in the future.

Math is helpful in gambling because you can learn about the probabilities and chances that is happening in gambling. Gambling is always a risk because there are gambles that the lose chances are higher than the chances of winning.

I think it helps with roulette a bit. Of course it depends on luck but I'm talking only about the "help". Also I think if you are a math person you have better options of being a good poker player. 

there's nothing to do with the set a limit could bring you a teady income/profit , you would remain poor against the great house edge in the long run . if there's the greatest famous mathematicians and statisticians like pythagoras or someone greater than them in modern probability theory they might get into gambling industry. but none of them nowadays do it right? which means math can only help the casino to win not to help the player.

I've seen that kind of software too. Usually it costs you a shitload to even get a hold of it and once you do start using it it's never what they promise it to be. I know they don't guarantee you to turn $100 to $1000000 but I've seen some really poor software out there that I bet a bunch of users have bought with the hope of making some easy money..

Yes I think so too. But you know, there are software that were developed to make sound mathematical predictions based on the data you provide. The key is to know what software best fits your business curricula. You cannot just use one software for all business problems you come across with. Hence, know your target and choose which software best responds to your needs. Almost everything can be predicted if you have a good, reliable data on hand.

I think what he meant is that you are the only one in control of your own bets and how you will place them. Since nobody else can force you to gamble this or that much you are the one responsible in the end if you go broke or if you get stuck in a hole..

Not really and definitely not in games with negative expected value.
You are not controlling anything, you are just making bets/rolls/spins/whatever and you are hopping that you will be lucky enough to win. It is not a rocket science.

You are completely wrong!
Math does help you, as you can calculate the odds of winning and losing.
If you could do that, then you could skip the bets that have 90% chance of losing and bet on the odds 90% chance of winning.
If you get like this you will be winning thus math makes you win in gambling...

Yes the casino does not like you to win, so they tell you it is all luck, so you are brainwashed and think that.
In fact card counting is forbidden in casinos, as this is pure math that helps you win even when you got no luck at all.
That is why you can beat BJ game made for fun, but you can not beat the casino, as they use math to make it impossible to win, no matter how "lucky" you are...
This is the way it works.

As for the 250k win -> we need more info how exactly did he won this amount. was it one time bet or was it like 20hrs of betting, or 30 days of betting.


I remember watching documentary on casino audit and security and the chief of security said: "we got many types of gamblers.
All are different.
I remember once on New Year's eve one guy came out of noware put a briefcase of 1mil in it.
Put it on red and won.
We never seen him before and didn't see him up till next year.
He came again and repeated what he did last year - he lost.
We never seen him again."

This was a lucky guy. Risked 1mil and had a free loan of 1mil for a year, then returned it
There was no math in there, but pure luck and he won 1mil in a single bet with odds of 47.3684%


So to show you how does the math work:

In BJ:
You count cards. On a fresh deck you start from 0 and add 1 once you see color card (has value of 10, J, Q, K, A) or subtract 1 if it has a number (2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9).
Once the count is 16+ it is considered hot  deck.
So when you start counting you do not bet until the deck is HOT.
Once it gets HOT you start betting. then the chance to win is considerably bigger then if you start from beginning.
You should not stop to count. Once the deck cools you should stop betting until the deck gets hot again.

This is how the card counting works.
There is no Rainman needs in order to do it. You do not have to be Monk to do it.
Just need to know how to count to 30 or so and that is it.

What casino does in order to stop you from winning:
1. does not allow you to count the cards.
2. does not allow you to sit and not bet until the deck is hot.
3. stops you if you bet small (because of 2) while the deck is cold and bet big once the deck is hot -> this will trigger the security to ask you to leave.
4. adds 6 decks (or more), making it harder for counting.
5. adds a cut card - the game will stop once the cut cards is next, so you do not use the hole set of cards, just a portion. This makes the counting harder, as you do not know how many big and small cards are in the playable deck.
6. reduces the payout odds in order to reduce the winnings if you count and/or got lucky.
7. other manipulations of the cards in order to not allow you to win.
8. min and max bet - cuts the ability to win back your loss

The roulette has it's otehr sparks:
1. you can not sit and watch it turn if no bets are placed.
2. you have a min and max bet to limit you from using unlimited increments in order to win your loss.
3. Have one 0 in EU and a second 00 in US, just so the casino has better edge (all maths). So instead of having 50-50 chance for the black/red you have 47.36% in EU and 46.1538% in US.
4. some more limitation like electronics (even on physical tables) to manipulate the output to contradict you if you start winning too much.

The slots are killers:
They just use one of the lowest payout odds in the casino.
They are used to take the money of people, yet they are set to pay BIG wins to few in order to attract more ppl to play them.

and so on and so on.





Remember in you play in a casino you are going to lose, as the maths show that and there is no casino that works in loss.
If you play on a game of chance that is made just for fun (has none of the limitation of the casino), they math will make you win no matter how unlucky you are...

The great representation on how to use math in gambling is based on the true to life story of the movie 21 where they are using the famous card counting. I've heard also in the new that one of the hollywood's brightest ben Affleck has been banned to some casinos because of using card counting. It's not easy to achieve tho' especially when you are in a game and when you don't have support by other people.
We are governed by the laws of mathematics, and when we want to watch how mathematics work in everyday life we will also know about how terrifying it can be if it can be used. Building the Burj khalifa ain't no luck man, it is pure science mathematics and engineering. I've heard also that some accounts can predict the lottery. The question here is how can you solve the problem in games and what method. Some requires a lot of time and some requires a very low probability.

In some games like the roll of the dice, ball spins, of course we can use some mathematics but it is impossible to solve for it live because we don't know the force of the roll, the edges and the friction of the surface so there is no way to play but to depend on pure luck.


Like i have said there are multiple ways and there are lot of possibilities, and yes mathematics can also bring you down to the best choices and choose the best possible combinations.

Predicting a roll is going to be a tough once since every single roll is random, so there is no chance that you could have the right prediction and won most of the roll. If you really wanted to win, then I'm afraid there is no way to win like most of the time as much as you want. If you are thinking that gambling could double your money, then think again.

I do believe that math can help you win in gambling since there is an algorithm that is being followed by a certain game like playing slots etc. these kind of games have been program or modified to win at a certain degree.

Math could help you win a gamble in a way with the use of probability to predict your roll but it also depends on your luck or your toss of your dice.

math has been used for those who believes with martingale system as they are trying to calculate the numbers of red and the numbers of green
then they will anticipated that the numbers of that particular play will give them chances to read the next outcome.