Can maths help you win in gambling ? - page 24.

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Quote from: thinkdifferent on November 20, 2017, 10:26:27 PM

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Quote from: sparveenat on November 16, 2017, 07:19:12 AM

To win in gambling not only maths will help you have to apply on the right timing and at the right move. Otherwise maths has no use in gambling to win. To win in gambling along with maths smartness and the strategic move only lead you to win.

maths doesn't have much of use in gambling it can help us sometimes to predict the roll but
the most and only important thing in gambling is luck if you dont have any luck you will never
be able to make any profit

Yes, that is correct. Maths only help to reduce your losing chances but to win our bet we much be a lucky person on that day.

maths can help in sports betting though we can compare the scores of the team previous result
or even the same match which has been played in the past with this we can find out if the team is
is going to win or lose

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Quote from: Bladeking on November 26, 2017, 02:58:22 AM

Indeed for gambling we have lots of confusion in it, because it is in gambling we also sometimes confused as to whether that was done right or wrong. But indeed to be able to get many of the advantages we also need calculations i.e. math, because every gambling also have the techniques or strategies so that they can get the victory. If it does not we do or we just let go about what we do, then the results will be obtained as just an unfortunate thing.

The fact is that in most cases, those people who play gambling and who met me, are not more than lucky in this matter. But I've heard a lot of stories about the fact that it is the math experts who are good players. But this was still hoped for by anyone.

I just don't get it, how can Math play any role in gambling. Gambling is just by luck and you don;t need to be expert in complex mathematical formulas to be able to win in gambling. We have Dice games, slot games , numbers games where there is no use of maths. Maybe if you are a developer than Math can really help in developing a more strategic site buy only playing gambling needs no math. Wink

All those games you listed above are luck based games and I agree with you that maths can't play any role in making you win then but there are strategic gambling games line sports betting where you can apply your analytical insight into making future predictions. These are just internal skills that you develop over time according to your knowledge of the game.

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Quote from: wxxyrqa on November 26, 2017, 02:25:28 PM

Quote from: Bladeking on November 26, 2017, 02:58:22 AM

Indeed for gambling we have lots of confusion in it, because it is in gambling we also sometimes confused as to whether that was done right or wrong. But indeed to be able to get many of the advantages we also need calculations i.e. math, because every gambling also have the techniques or strategies so that they can get the victory. If it does not we do or we just let go about what we do, then the results will be obtained as just an unfortunate thing.

The fact is that in most cases, those people who play gambling and who met me, are not more than lucky in this matter. But I've heard a lot of stories about the fact that it is the math experts who are good players. But this was still hoped for by anyone.

I just don't get it, how can Math play any role in gambling. Gambling is just by luck and you don;t need to be expert in complex mathematical formulas to be able to win in gambling. We have Dice games, slot games , numbers games where there is no use of maths. Maybe if you are a developer than Math can really help in developing a more strategic site buy only playing gambling needs no math. Wink

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Quote from: Malsetid on November 27, 2017, 01:18:37 AM

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Quote from: ausbit on November 23, 2017, 06:19:32 AM

Mathematics is very useful in our everyday life. My teacher told us that if we want to get rich, we must first be financially intelligent. He also told us that if we are sad, all we can do is reach for a calculator and compute for the amount of money we might own in the future.

Math is helpful in gambling because you can learn about the probabilities and chances that is happening in gambling. Gambling is always a risk because there are gambles that the lose chances are higher than the chances of winning.

I like the example of your teacher. However, dreaming without commitment is not sufficient enough to reach your goal and be rich. For me, I do not need math to gamble and it does not help me to win. All I need and require is a logical mind and a mind of prediction.

It is a fact that math is logic, but my logic is different. I use logic based on common sense and other different things that allow me to predict and win without attempting to calculate.

That's correct. Math is logic and the only time that applies to gambling is when you know that you have less chance of getting a good result especially if you play for an extended time. That's speaking for most gambling games though as it can also ve useful for a few games. If you're playing a luck based gamblig game, don't bither yourself by doing maths, just hope you're going to win

It is too hassle to do math while you are playing gambling, and you are just going to be annoyed to the fullest if you did the math but you still lost, but I'm not saying you don't have to do it, because it won't help you to win, stuffs like that. Luck is still the one who plays the biggest role in gambling, so basically, if you are not lucky on gambling, even though if you are good at math, you are still going to lose.

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Quote from: badgalmae on November 23, 2017, 05:56:32 AM

I think it helps with roulette a bit. Of course it depends on luck but I'm talking only about the "help". Also I think if you are a math person you have better options of being a good poker player.

Well it really boils down to what game you're going to use math on. It certainly won't help you on games that's purely luck reliant like dice and slots. Aside from calculating the money you're going to burn of course.

Yes gambling is far from calculating and math is not an option when we play gambling. Gambling games rely solely on luck and that is a matter of course. If you see anyone saying that he can win the gambling with the help of mathematical calculations then it is a lie !! do not believe and use your mind!

So you want to tell me that all casino owners are the luckiest people on the planet, as they allays win!
You are sooo wrong.. you say "gambling is pure luck" then "use your brain"...
What you mean? That you can use your brain to be lucky?!?!?

All games of chance are 100% pure math, so casino owners are using math in order to win 100% guarantee.
There is no luck in this.
If you know what math is and how to use it, then it will help you, if you don't => nothing will help you.

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Quote from: Aikidoka on November 26, 2017, 03:39:22 PM

Quote from: ausbit on November 23, 2017, 06:19:32 AM

Mathematics is very useful in our everyday life. My teacher told us that if we want to get rich, we must first be financially intelligent. He also told us that if we are sad, all we can do is reach for a calculator and compute for the amount of money we might own in the future.

Math is helpful in gambling because you can learn about the probabilities and chances that is happening in gambling. Gambling is always a risk because there are gambles that the lose chances are higher than the chances of winning.

I like the example of your teacher. However, dreaming without commitment is not sufficient enough to reach your goal and be rich. For me, I do not need math to gamble and it does not help me to win. All I need and require is a logical mind and a mind of prediction.

It is a fact that math is logic, but my logic is different. I use logic based on common sense and other different things that allow me to predict and win without attempting to calculate.

That's correct. Math is logic and the only time that applies to gambling is when you know that you have less chance of getting a good result especially if you play for an extended time. That's speaking for most gambling games though as it can also ve useful for a few games. If you're playing a luck based gamblig game, don't bither yourself by doing maths, just hope you're going to win

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Quote from: ausbit on November 23, 2017, 06:19:32 AM

Mathematics is very useful in our everyday life. My teacher told us that if we want to get rich, we must first be financially intelligent. He also told us that if we are sad, all we can do is reach for a calculator and compute for the amount of money we might own in the future.

Math is helpful in gambling because you can learn about the probabilities and chances that is happening in gambling. Gambling is always a risk because there are gambles that the lose chances are higher than the chances of winning.

I like the example of your teacher. However, dreaming without commitment is not sufficient enough to reach your goal and be rich. For me, I do not need math to gamble and it does not help me to win. All I need and require is a logical mind and a mind of prediction.

It is a fact that math is logic, but my logic is different. I use logic based on common sense and other different things that allow me to predict and win without attempting to calculate.

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Quote from: Bladeking on November 26, 2017, 02:58:22 AM

Indeed for gambling we have lots of confusion in it, because it is in gambling we also sometimes confused as to whether that was done right or wrong. But indeed to be able to get many of the advantages we also need calculations i.e. math, because every gambling also have the techniques or strategies so that they can get the victory. If it does not we do or we just let go about what we do, then the results will be obtained as just an unfortunate thing.

Well, i only understood some parts of your text, but still i want to tell you, that maths is used for calculations, you are right about that, but the thread is not about that, but it says whether we can use math to win in gambling, or in roulette more specifically, and that is probably not possible. There is no techniques in gambling, but there are only strategies, and those strategies do apply mathematics but they don't always make you win. Those strategies are only used to gain what is lost, and even that is not accomplished most of the times. So it is not possible to win in gambling using math.

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Quote from: Bladeking on November 26, 2017, 02:58:22 AM

Indeed for gambling we have lots of confusion in it, because it is in gambling we also sometimes confused as to whether that was done right or wrong. But indeed to be able to get many of the advantages we also need calculations i.e. math, because every gambling also have the techniques or strategies so that they can get the victory. If it does not we do or we just let go about what we do, then the results will be obtained as just an unfortunate thing.

The fact is that in most cases, those people who play gambling and who met me, are not more than lucky in this matter. But I've heard a lot of stories about the fact that it is the math experts who are good players. But this was still hoped for by anyone.

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Quote from: thinkdifferent on November 26, 2017, 08:08:18 AM

Quote from: francesyrus on November 25, 2017, 07:00:30 PM

Quote from: bajing on September 27, 2017, 07:14:30 AM

I just read one article that's about math can help you win at roulette game then i want ask with you all, did you believe math can affect to gambling games? i'm not expert in math so i don't know

this is the article that i readed.
http://theconversation.com/can-maths-help-you-win-at-roulette-69440

Maybe math can help us win on roulette or in dice games in terms of calculating how much reds will go for our bankroll. But still in gambling we still need some luck and must know how to stop when we have profit and not to be greedy....

I think your completely wrong because in both dice and roulette game no one can tell you how many reds or greens you will get continuously.

Yes mate, Maths can't help us in gambling game based on luck, like dice games, or even in Live games, like sports games. The only thing that you will need is luck, because without luck, even if you predict very well, sometimes you find yourself lose with a bet that have a 90% or more to win.

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Quote from: francesyrus on November 25, 2017, 07:00:30 PM

Quote from: bajing on September 27, 2017, 07:14:30 AM

I just read one article that's about math can help you win at roulette game then i want ask with you all, did you believe math can affect to gambling games? i'm not expert in math so i don't know

this is the article that i readed.
http://theconversation.com/can-maths-help-you-win-at-roulette-69440

Maybe math can help us win on roulette or in dice games in terms of calculating how much reds will go for our bankroll. But still in gambling we still need some luck and must know how to stop when we have profit and not to be greedy....

I think your completely wrong because in both dice and roulette game no one can tell you how many reds or greens you will get continuously.

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Quote from: bajing on September 27, 2017, 07:14:30 AM

I just read one article that's about math can help you win at roulette game then i want ask with you all, did you believe math can affect to gambling games? i'm not expert in math so i don't know

this is the article that i readed.
http://theconversation.com/can-maths-help-you-win-at-roulette-69440

Yes, math can help you ---> without a doubt, one hundred percent positive! But, you have to know how to apply the math. So, when the math is against you, save your money and find an event where the math is for you. That's the trick! Do the math, calculate your expected value (EV), and determine your bet size based on those numbers. Also, apply those same techniques to your bankroll taking variance into consideration. Learn the math and you will fair much better in the long run. Roulette has a house edge so your EV is negative ---> that means, save your money and find another proposition. There are betting progressions that can be favorable with roulette, but casinos set measures in place to mitigate those advantages....so, learn the math and you will be able to distinguish the winning props from the losing props.

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as I have stated before. But don't be fooled we aren't talking quick easy money, its hard work.

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Indeed for gambling we have lots of confusion in it, because it is in gambling we also sometimes confused as to whether that was done right or wrong. But indeed to be able to get many of the advantages we also need calculations i.e. math, because every gambling also have the techniques or strategies so that they can get the victory. If it does not we do or we just let go about what we do, then the results will be obtained as just an unfortunate thing.

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Quote from: francesyrus on November 25, 2017, 07:00:30 PM

Quote from: bajing on September 27, 2017, 07:14:30 AM

I just read one article that's about math can help you win at roulette game then i want ask with you all, did you believe math can affect to gambling games? i'm not expert in math so i don't know

this is the article that i readed.
http://theconversation.com/can-maths-help-you-win-at-roulette-69440

Maybe math can help us win on roulette or in dice games in terms of calculating how much reds will go for our bankroll. But still in gambling we still need some luck and must know how to stop when we have profit and not to be greedy....

Well its already been proven that in most cases even we already anticipated those numbers of consecutive reds but still house knows how to work with our greediness and in the end of the day we still losing our money so its better to analyze your self first before dealing with gambling.

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Quote from: bajing on September 27, 2017, 07:14:30 AM

I just read one article that's about math can help you win at roulette game then i want ask with you all, did you believe math can affect to gambling games? i'm not expert in math so i don't know

this is the article that i readed.
http://theconversation.com/can-maths-help-you-win-at-roulette-69440

Yes, math can help you ---> without a doubt, one hundred percent positive! But, you have to know how to apply the math. So, when the math is against you, save your money and find an event where the math is for you. That's the trick! Do the math, calculate your expected value (EV), and determine your bet size based on those numbers. Also, apply those same techniques to your bankroll taking variance into consideration. Learn the math and you will fair much better in the long run. Roulette has a house edge so your EV is negative ---> that means, save your money and find another proposition. There are betting progressions that can be favorable with roulette, but casinos set measures in place to mitigate those advantages....so, learn the math and you will be able to distinguish the winning props from the losing props.

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Quote from: francesyrus on November 25, 2017, 07:00:30 PM

Quote from: bajing on September 27, 2017, 07:14:30 AM

I just read one article that's about math can help you win at roulette game then i want ask with you all, did you believe math can affect to gambling games? i'm not expert in math so i don't know

this is the article that i readed.
http://theconversation.com/can-maths-help-you-win-at-roulette-69440

Maybe math can help us win on roulette or in dice games in terms of calculating how much reds will go for our bankroll. But still in gambling we still need some luck and must know how to stop when we have profit and not to be greedy....

They are random, math cannot help you to choose the correct bet but it can only help you to manage your bankroll.
It's a game where we have to consider playing it for fun only since there is a house edge and you will never win in the long run, let's be matured and know the difference of skilled based games to luck based, so we will decide on how we are going to manage our bets and bankroll.

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Quote from: bajing on September 27, 2017, 07:14:30 AM

I just read one article that's about math can help you win at roulette game then i want ask with you all, did you believe math can affect to gambling games? i'm not expert in math so i don't know

this is the article that i readed.
http://theconversation.com/can-maths-help-you-win-at-roulette-69440

Maybe math can help us win on roulette or in dice games in terms of calculating how much reds will go for our bankroll. But still in gambling we still need some luck and must know how to stop when we have profit and not to be greedy....

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Quote from: streazight on November 25, 2017, 01:48:17 PM

Quote from: btc78 on November 12, 2017, 11:29:15 AM

Partly yes,math can help you win but not 100% sure.it will just help you compute all the angles and calculate the rate of winning..expert gambler calculating all the movements and reactions of thier opponents to take advantage,and it applies math in calculating

I know that is your opinion but I will like to help you to be 100% sure. There is no mathematics that can help you win in gambling. If you think you are good in probability, some have said it can help in some games, but everything still totally balls down on luck and that is what gambling is all about.

Checking out the action or the reaction of your opponent does not have anything to do with mathematics, which is just normal human analysis which to me does not work all the time except you are playing with someone who is just not good and that is even dependent on game.

Well of course, it's the observation that people make when they are playing and that wouldn't hurt if you calculate your moves with that and that could add a significant chance of winning with your games and with the help of math, you could improve it more. It's not going to be easy but it's good to know.

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Quote from: btc78 on November 12, 2017, 11:29:15 AM

Partly yes,math can help you win but not 100% sure.it will just help you compute all the angles and calculate the rate of winning..expert gambler calculating all the movements and reactions of thier opponents to take advantage,and it applies math in calculating

I know that is your opinion but I will like to help you to be 100% sure. There is no mathematics that can help you win in gambling. If you think you are good in probability, some have said it can help in some games, but everything still totally balls down on luck and that is what gambling is all about.

Checking out the action or the reaction of your opponent does not have anything to do with mathematics, which is just normal human analysis which to me does not work all the time except you are playing with someone who is just not good and that is even dependent on game.

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Quote from: Wall-ET on November 24, 2017, 09:56:19 AM

This is all you need. In fact if you are able to calculate when to bet and how much to bet you can win in any game.

Let's say you toss a coin.
You got only two options heads or tails.
so it will monitor and tell you when to bet.
As for the first toss to be hears (or tails) is 50% it will tell you to bet 0.
Second time to toss heads again has fallen to 25% and so on until you decide you are ok to bet.
So if you say it is only luck, and you are totally unlucky, you can set this to be lower then 1%.
So once you hit that odds you make a bet and you win, if not you can then double your bet and so on until you win, as by then the possibility will get insane low (better chance to be killed by alien bacteria that has just arrived from a meteoroid that has just landed on the other side of the platen in the next 5 seconds...

So no matter how unlucky you are math can help you win in any game of chance, you just need to understand the math and know how to use it.

I can't believe what I am reading.
You sound like you know all gambling secrets, how to beat casino and I wonder why do you wear signature when you can beat casino with your math and strategies.
Also this whole toss story is wrong. You can toss coin 50 times, bet on head and it can fall on head 51 times, each roll is independent and your chance is always 50%, no matter how many times you toss coin. Chance for such combination(51 heads) is 0.0000000000001% but that is something different.

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