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November 10, 2020, 08:58:07 AM
#45
Maybe we can think that it is unfair for the employee, but the employee can not do anything because they need to follow their company.
This pandemic puts many companies in hard situations because they want to have their employee still work with them.
In other situations, the company needs to spend more budgets to pay their employee.
On the other hand, they need to make money from their business, but unfortunately, the company needs to work harder than before.
The employees suffer and really need help, but maybe there will be new jobs to start working in the new jobs to get paid.
If the unpaid employee can get new jobs, they can survive this pandemic, and the important thing is they can have money to buy their daily needs.
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November 10, 2020, 08:53:42 AM
#44
I think its because of the pandemic, since people are not allowed to go out because of the pandemic, companies are having a hard time where to get the salary for the employee, but they should think of other ways to pay them or at least maybe half in consideration, its a tough time for employers and employee, they should have at least come to a conclusion wherein everyone is happy, I hope this pandemic ends already, it has affected everything.
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November 10, 2020, 08:22:09 AM
#43
I have friends in the casino industry and what they are going through is kinda harsh since most of them are also forced to take unpaid leaves with no definite time-frame of their return to the field given that most of the players are still unable to get back and play inside brick-and-mortar casinos due to the threat of COVID-19. Some of them are forced to take other jobs completely different from their line of work, which is really frustrating though they can't be choosers knowing how everyone is affected one way or another by this pandemic.

Macau is almost COVID-free the last time I checked, but you can't really expect the locals to play there on their own, and most of their revenues are coming in from foreign nationals visiting the country to play in their casinos which is obviously not happening due to travel restrictions and such.
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November 10, 2020, 07:44:11 AM
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Macau continues to suffer the effects of the ongoing pandemic, despite some of the slight recoveries taking place in the industry.


This explains everything. Casinos can't afford to have so many employees yet few gamblers, that means they'll only have smaller bankrolls than they have before and the same payouts before, in short, they're going to suffer if they won't remove some of their employees. However, the unpaid part is not convincing at all, because even though they are suffering due to the ongoing pandemic, they have still funds to pay their employees that they forced to leave.

It's not surprising at all, it's happening all over the world. Most of the old employees are the ones who remains in the company because they do have more merits than the new ones.
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November 10, 2020, 07:33:12 AM
#41
Well, the declaration of the profits from the operating gambling casino is based on all the profits minus the operational expenses thus includes salary for the personnel and staff working in that casino. Meaning that it is possible that they could get a good revenue after the cost cut of salary for their personnel and staff. We could not also blame the casino management to force this to happen because of pandemic. Remember that most of the government had set the capacity of the venue to be limited thus it could lessen too the volume of the gamblers that will going to play and the needed personnel and staff also should only the required number to its optimum to maximize health safety protocols.
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November 10, 2020, 07:00:05 AM
#40

I thought the Asian countries are doing good than the westerners in dealing with the virus, the news seems to tell us that Asian countries are doing better and are almost back to normal like how the Chinese are going it.

The new normal really isn't normal at all. Though the virus are very much controlled in their area, the people are still very cautious that they are still not going back to casino like they use to.

Well, you just answered your own statement.
Though the virus has been under controlled along this area, but that doesn't mean every businesses has bounced back after a devastating economic crash. Macau has been knowned as the Las Vegas of Asia and are expecting to cater a lot of foreign clients every single day. Without these foreign clients, the casino cannot contain the payroll If all the staff are in full operation.
The casino cannot be blamed here If these employees has been force to have "leave with no pay" . This scenario should be consulted to the government to assist these employees financially.

That is true, many businesses didn't recover or are still in slow and painful surviving process. That also depends from country to country, in some governments introduced some measurers to help to recover the economy but not equal to all businesses. Unfortunately,  I think that gambling industry is among those who didn't receive much help and government support.
It's not a wonder that workers found themselves in such difficult situation but it's also up to owners to decide how to deal with that. Is it their priority to keep their own economy standard or keep workers at job and help them to survive.
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November 10, 2020, 06:40:38 AM
#39
That's everywhere and not just in casino industry. Travel & hospitality industry has taken a big hit due to covid so majority of the companies in this field have either fired a majority of their workforce or sent them to unpaid leave. So there's no surprise at all!

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~ The weird thing was : If the Worker have worked for too long the casinos takes them for granted and they are more likely to loose their payment.

That's a normal mindset of any company and again not just from the casino industry! There's no surprise either! Also people need to understand that staying with the same company hinders their growth potential. In corporate, loyalty is a fugazi that doesn't exist!
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November 10, 2020, 06:07:59 AM
#38
In short we might see more bail outs to more casino's due to continues losses of customers. I think physical casino should adapt online gambling instead losing even more. It will require less workforce, like what's currently happening that thousands of employees are getting unpaid due to the lack of income.
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November 10, 2020, 06:23:41 AM
#38

I thought the Asian countries are doing good than the westerners in dealing with the virus, the news seems to tell us that Asian countries are doing better and are almost back to normal like how the Chinese are going it.

The new normal really isn't normal at all. Though the virus are very much controlled in their area, the people are still very cautious that they are still not going back to casino like they use to.

Well, you just answered your own statement.
Though the virus has been under controlled along this area, but that doesn't mean every businesses has bounced back after a devastating economic crash. Macau has been knowned as the Las Vegas of Asia and are expecting to cater a lot of foreign clients every single day. Without these foreign clients, the casino cannot contain the payroll If all the staff are in full operation.
The casino cannot be blamed here If these employees has been force to have "leave with no pay" . This scenario should be consulted to the government to assist these employees financially.
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November 10, 2020, 05:56:40 AM
#37

I thought the Asian countries are doing good than the westerners in dealing with the virus, the news seems to tell us that Asian countries are doing better and are almost back to normal like how the Chinese are going it.

The new normal really isn't normal at all. Though the virus are very much controlled in their area, the people are still very cautious that they are still not going back to casino like they use to.
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November 10, 2020, 05:56:18 AM
#36
The Macau gaming enterprise have reported that more than 60% of the Workers working in casinos have been Forced to take Unpaid leave.

The weird thing was : If the Worker have worked for too long the casinos takes them for granted and they are more likely to loose their payment.

Now 8% of them are thinking of switching to new jobs.

In this scenario, we can conclude that the gambling industry in Macau is suffering, unfortunately, the workers are the one badly hit, the management can opt for dialogue and reach a compromise as they urge their workers to accept the decision of forced unpaid leaves while the industry is suffering from the pandemic, when the industry recovers, they can give their workers who help them in times of crisis with additional bonuses when they recover.
This pandemic will not last and good dialogue is what the two-party needs to smooth things out.
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November 10, 2020, 05:31:21 AM
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The Macau gaming enterprise have reported that more than 60% of the Workers working in casinos have been Forced to take Unpaid leave.

The weird thing was : If the Worker have worked for too long the casinos takes them for granted and they are more likely to loose their payment.

Now 8% of them are thinking of switching to new jobs.

Now the steps taken  to tackle that :


That is really sad to read. I mean most companies have the same problem during the corona pandemic. Sales are bad and the companies might even need to close down their business due to the lockdown. But not paying their employee is wrong in my opinion. There will be a time after the pandemic and we need qualified employees than again. Everyone is hurting right now and it would be best if we spread the problems.
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November 10, 2020, 05:25:12 AM
#34
Nowadays that there's an ongoing pandemic its not new anymore.
Casinos and other companies are still struggling to survive, the virus is still existing therefore people are not allowed or has a restriction when going out.

So we're not yet back to normal thus this kind of situation is already expected. It seems unfair but we cant do anything about it, they need to operate with less employess to somehow recover their losses and to not end up closing down permanently.

I though so, many are being retrenched because of this pandemic. Many people I know  that their company are closed  and did not know when too open as the management instructed just find another job for the meantime.  I pity those  casino employee who are forced to leave and hoping this pandemic will end and to start a fresh beginning to all of us.
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November 10, 2020, 04:53:37 AM
#33
There is nothing wrong or weird with what they are doing. It is called cost cutting. They are not capable of paying their employees because of our current situation so they don't have any other choice but to do that. In any part of the world is doing the same thing to avoid more losses, it is not new in the business industry, even casino has been doing it to save their business for their own future.
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November 10, 2020, 04:32:50 AM
#32
This is not illegal, business can't give people a paid leave when the business is not making money as usual.

The economy has been struggling due to the pandemic, so with what is happening, its not wise to stick again in an industry that is not making good revenue anymore, if they will switch job and they can find it, why not find a new one, but we can also understand that the loyalty is there and this pandemic is not permanent so they also don't want to lose their permanent job that could give them a good benefit and assurance once the operation is back to normal.

I think all companies have cut costs because of the pandemic and places like Macau which rely almost 100% on tourists who go there only for gambling,are facing hard times now that most of international flights have stopped because of a reemerging second wave of the novel Corona virus.I am sorry for the casino workers but they are no different from other workers who have lost their jobs.
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November 10, 2020, 04:30:33 AM
#31
Not only casino workers are suffering from this kind of change.
There are other businesses that are forced to implement this strategy to their employees in order to survive.
For the employees that will experience this kind of change, just be understanding that this is really going to happen.
Look for other alternative jobs while on leave. Employers can't really pay their workers if they are not earning income.

trying to find alternative work is what the worker has to do...
laying off employees without pay is a classic excuse for business owners in this time of the outbreak. my husband just quit his job because the place where he worked was very quiet and had no income. I hope the workers who are terminated without pay by the casino in Macau can find another job they deserve.
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November 10, 2020, 03:57:33 AM
#30
This is not illegal, business can't give people a paid leave when the business is not making money as usual.

The economy has been struggling due to the pandemic, so with what is happening, its not wise to stick again in an industry that is not making good revenue anymore, if they will switch job and they can find it, why not find a new one, but we can also understand that the loyalty is there and this pandemic is not permanent so they also don't want to lose their permanent job that could give them a good benefit and assurance once the operation is back to normal.
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November 10, 2020, 03:47:18 AM
#29
I guess the government depends more on visitors from other countries for the revenue earned from casinos?
Well, I wish government could focus more on having good/safe gaming or casino businesses than focusing on their continuous revenue growth. The focus on having casinos or gaming industry earn huge revenues for countries is probably why they don't impose good standards on lots of them
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November 09, 2020, 10:37:45 PM
#28
The casino can force its old employee without giving any payment to recruit new employees with a small salary. It is normal to see that it happens, and perhaps, that is not just happening in Macau, but in the other place, that happens too.

If you are referring to this as normal even if there is no pandemic, I don't agree with you. I am not familiar with the labor laws of Macau but it is probably not allowed to just fire old employees without giving any payment for the sake of new employees with a lower salary.

Casinos can force them to quit working for the casino but only under valid grounds. They cannot just tell an employee that he is done with his job and that he will not be paid anymore.

It's hard to comment on this since Macau might have a different labor law than other countries. But looking at it, it seems unfair to the old employees to be forced to quit and be replaced for a new one with lower pay. We understand that businesses are striving to survive, but employees should be compensated well amidst pandemic, if your business cannot afford to give what is right for the employees the business might close as well.

Anyway, workers can file a complaint at their labor department if they think the casino had violated and labor code. Same as businesses each of us are striving to make a living.

if they think thier business is having a hard time why will they still continue but why not if they take a rest for a period of time  , pay all the employees including the newer ones but they must pay a little large for the older ones to make it fair . whenever they open up again its up to them if they replaced new employees or not but older employees must be kept because they are already more trusted and are already part of the company for a long time . if they decide to keep the business running , they can released the newer employees and kept the old employees but with a cut in payment if the company is really suffering . employees will understand it
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November 09, 2020, 09:50:42 PM
#27
The casino can force its old employee without giving any payment to recruit new employees with a small salary. It is normal to see that it happens, and perhaps, that is not just happening in Macau, but in the other place, that happens too.

If you are referring to this as normal even if there is no pandemic, I don't agree with you. I am not familiar with the labor laws of Macau but it is probably not allowed to just fire old employees without giving any payment for the sake of new employees with a lower salary.

Casinos can force them to quit working for the casino but only under valid grounds. They cannot just tell an employee that he is done with his job and that he will not be paid anymore.

It's hard to comment on this since Macau might have a different labor law than other countries. But looking at it, it seems unfair to the old employees to be forced to quit and be replaced for a new one with lower pay. We understand that businesses are striving to survive, but employees should be compensated well amidst pandemic, if your business cannot afford to give what is right for the employees the business might close as well.

Anyway, workers can file a complaint at their labor department if they think the casino had violated and labor code. Same as businesses each of us are striving to make a living.
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