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Quote from: CaVO32 on November 10, 2020, 04:14:28 PM

Quote from: Oceat on November 10, 2020, 04:06:15 PM

I'm not surprised about it anymore since it did happen already before since the start of lockdown due to the pandemic. I think this is the only way that casino owner wants to minimize the losing of money since there are strict rules implemented that there should not a mass gathering. I don't think it only happens in casino workers because everyone was affected by this new normal so almost every businesses you know and see are all affected with this kind of problem.

Very true! This situation is not special nor unique as most businesses around the globe are in survival mode. Business owners need to think of alternatives how they can lessen their operational expenses. And since casinos don't have the usual number of players, they are not generating the same income as before. Also, this situation has been experienced by most even at the start of pandemic, so they should know that this will going to happen to them. If you are an employee, you need to understand the situation and look for other options where you can earn extra income. Your job is not your whole life where you can depend on. There are some ways to get that money.

It is not only casino workers that are being laid down as a matter of fact hospitality, aviation, and entertainment industry are the worst hit by this pandemic. A lot of workers have been asked to leave as there is not enough money to sustain the business with these employees. This is the new normal now and many things will change in the coming years.

With these new laws by the government, some of these casino employees will either be hired back or will be trained for other jobs but most of them will still lose their jobs.

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Quote from: smyslov on November 11, 2020, 12:16:02 AM

We should not treat business, companies that are trying to survive, as a villain because they are also suffering from this pandemic, they can lose their business if this pandemic last for another year, they should do agreement business owners and the workers both suffer, they should talk and come out with a win-win situation.

It is tough for everyone because none of us thought that the pandemic is going to last for so long. Back in March/April, we were hoping that it would get contained within 2-3 months. Now it looks as if this situation will continue well in to 2021. Casino workers are disproportionately affected, because they need to closely interact with the casino visitors.

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Quote from: wiss19 on November 10, 2020, 04:58:32 PM

We also need to understand that not just the workers but even the casinos are suffering as they have lost significant number of players so while I have all the sympathy with the workers but times are tough for everyone and making someone look like villain is not doing the justice to them.

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We should not treat business, companies that are trying to survive, as a villain because they are also suffering from this pandemic, they can lose their business if this pandemic last for another year, they should do agreement business owners and the workers both suffer, they should talk and come out with a win-win situation.

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Quote from: Oceat on November 10, 2020, 04:06:15 PM

I'm not surprised about it anymore since it did happen already before since the start of lockdown due to the pandemic. I think this is the only way that casino owner wants to minimize the losing of money since there are strict rules implemented that there should not a mass gathering. I don't think it only happens in casino workers because everyone was affected by this new normal so almost every businesses you know and see are all affected with this kind of problem.

Correct. This doesnt limit out only with gambling industry but also in other businesses as well on where they do need to remove some of its employees to reduce up the cost of expense of paying up salary.
They would really need to balance up everything if they do see that they are profiting somehow then they wont make such action but if they do saw that they are on negatives then this would be the
case that will happen.Its sad reality but business do needs to profit and they would take actions that will really get rid of that problem and for them able to survive.

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It is unfortunate but the truth is that the workers don't want to lose their jobs and it is everything to them even if they are taking paid leaves at least they maintain their job and casinos know that even if they pay less salary they will still retain their workers and they are taking advantage of it. This is one reason I always rate businesses higher than service/jobs, I might be a bit off topic but that's the truth.

We also need to understand that not just the workers but even the casinos are suffering as they have lost significant number of players so while I have all the sympathy with the workers but times are tough for everyone and making someone look like villain is not doing the justice to them.

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Quote from: Oceat on November 10, 2020, 04:06:15 PM

I'm not surprised about it anymore since it did happen already before since the start of lockdown due to the pandemic. I think this is the only way that casino owner wants to minimize the losing of money since there are strict rules implemented that there should not a mass gathering. I don't think it only happens in casino workers because everyone was affected by this new normal so almost every businesses you know and see are all affected with this kind of problem.

Very true! This situation is not special nor unique as most businesses around the globe are in survival mode. Business owners need to think of alternatives how they can lessen their operational expenses. And since casinos don't have the usual number of players, they are not generating the same income as before. Also, this situation has been experienced by most even at the start of pandemic, so they should know that this will going to happen to them. If you are an employee, you need to understand the situation and look for other options where you can earn extra income. Your job is not your whole life where you can depend on. There are some ways to get that money.

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Quote from: coupable on November 09, 2020, 07:47:11 PM

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The growth of income from games occurs only against the background of September. If you compare this figure with October 2019, it will not be in favor of October 2020. That is why we had to send workers on unpaid leave. Casino is not a place that is vital to people during the pandemic, so many refuse to visit, which affects casino income.

Did you ever heard about planetwin365 sportsbets gambling platform ?
With the pandemic, the company turn the website into an online gaming interface where gamblers can still bet their chances in new online games. It was a wise step to avoid the infection of the pandemic. I would think why all those casinos didn't thought about something similar instead of fire employments. When the workers leave, this is the worst sign the company isn't to be trusted by anybody .

Any casino can create a site for gambling. However, this will not save the dismissed employees, because they still can not all work as a support service or technical staff site. Therefore, if the casino has a seriously reduced number of visitors, they will not avoid layoffs. They could certainly pay at least part of their salary, but this could eventually lead to the bankruptcy of the casino. And so the workers have a chance to be hired again once the pandemic is over. The employees will certainly have to look for a new job after they are fired, but the responsible employer will have to pay a good severance package when they are fired.

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I'm not surprised about it anymore since it did happen already before since the start of lockdown due to the pandemic. I think this is the only way that casino owner wants to minimize the losing of money since there are strict rules implemented that there should not a mass gathering. I don't think it only happens in casino workers because everyone was affected by this new normal so almost every businesses you know and see are all affected with this kind of problem.

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Quote from: uneng on November 10, 2020, 12:42:54 PM

That is a very sad situation which doesn't happen only in casino industry, but in every sectors I believe. We can just hope these employees find work elsewhere at least until the economical activities start heating again.
Furthermore, that is why investments are so important in someone's life. These employees, for an example, didn't expect to be forced into unpaid leave, it was a sudden situation.
So it's important to have some money saved or invested in order to keep the financial life and to guarantee the basic needs during crisis time. That is something which should be taught at schools.

Nice comment, I share the same opinion! It's sad for people who are basically on the street now, because it's hard to find a job these days and keep paying bills! Bills don't late! I agree with you that people should learn to save and invest, this two things can save you in troubled times, and those times comes when you don't expect!
Well we are living in hard times! Yesterday I saw a guy on TV from my city, with several diplomas, and he knows 5 languages, he had a travel agency and worked all life only that! Now he drives a cab, and he says that he needs to pay bills, government didn't help that sector, there are no tourists... totally fucked up times for many people! We can only hope it will be better!

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I thought the Asian countries are doing good than the westerners in dealing with the virus, the news seems to tell us that Asian countries are doing better and are almost back to normal like how the Chinese are going it.

The new normal really isn't normal at all. Though the virus are very much controlled in their area, the people are still very cautious that they are still not going back to casino like they use to.

Well, you just answered your own statement.
Though the virus has been under controlled along this area, but that doesn't mean every businesses has bounced back after a devastating economic crash. Macau has been knowned as the Las Vegas of Asia and are expecting to cater a lot of foreign clients every single day. Without these foreign clients, the casino cannot contain the payroll If all the staff are in full operation.
The casino cannot be blamed here If these employees has been force to have "leave with no pay" . This scenario should be consulted to the government to assist these employees financially.

That is true, many businesses didn't recover or are still in slow and painful surviving process. That also depends from country to country, in some governments introduced some measurers to help to recover the economy but not equal to all businesses. Unfortunately, I think that gambling industry is among those who didn't receive much help and government support.
It's not a wonder that workers found themselves in such difficult situation but it's also up to owners to decide how to deal with that. Is it their priority to keep their own economy standard or keep workers at job and help them to survive.

Understandable that gambling industry wont really be on the priority specially into this pandemic situation.Most likely or definitely the sector that had been supported
is mainly on essentials which i cant really blame off yet this one is very needed specially now on this global condition.So, in result this will really affect those other industries
which is outside on the scope of essentials which its understandable that all of them are struggling to survive this is why majority do really need to lay-off due to big expense
from to its worker pays and if they wont do it then that might result into total closure due to bankruptcy.

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Quote from: adzino on November 10, 2020, 02:02:14 PM

Nothing is weird over here. When those casino workers were joining the casino, they had to sign a legal contract with them. The contract had all the terms and clauses which the workers read (I assume) and signed. So they agreed to all these as soon as they joined.
If that is not the case, and they are "forced" an unpaid leave, then they can take legal actions against the casino. If the casino did anything wrong, they will have to pay their workers their regular wage along with some compensation.

yeah, as soon as it signed, you are officially a slave for them.
but still, the labor institution in that country should protect the workers.
a force majeure event like this current pandemic situation should not be an excuse to made that workers in that position.
unpaid leave for workers is a double-kill for them.
If I am not mistaken, the living cost in Macau is very expensive too, compared to nearby Asian countries.

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Nothing is weird over here. When those casino workers were joining the casino, they had to sign a legal contract with them. The contract had all the terms and clauses which the workers read (I assume) and signed. So they agreed to all these as soon as they joined.
If that is not the case, and they are "forced" an unpaid leave, then they can take legal actions against the casino. If the casino did anything wrong, they will have to pay their workers their regular wage along with some compensation.

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Quote from: Boov on November 10, 2020, 11:54:35 AM

Quote from: Cacingkemi on November 10, 2020, 11:47:38 AM

Quote from: fiulpro on November 09, 2020, 01:26:04 PM

The Macau gaming enterprise have reported that more than 60% of the Workers working in casinos have been Forced to take Unpaid leave.

The weird thing was : If the Worker have worked for too long the casinos takes them for granted and they are more likely to loose their payment.

Now 8% of them are thinking of switching to new jobs.

Now the steps taken to tackle that :

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Macau government could regulate the unpaid leave, measures could be implemented for an economic rebound, employees could be offered additional training, and the foreign employment quota should be adjusted to protect the local workers.

Macau continues to suffer the effects of the ongoing pandemic, despite some of the slight recoveries taking place in the industry.

At the same time we saw the boost in the gaming revenues:

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Macau’s gross gaming revenue (GGR) dropped by 90% in September but rose by 229% month-on-month in October. The Individual Visit Scheme resumed mid-September and helped boost the economy in a small way, however, the country expects the tourist arrivals for 2020 to drop by 90%.

Source : https://www.gamblinginsider.com/news/10359/60-of-macaus-casino-workers-furloughed-without-pay

It is very sad to hear and read such a thing. And that while those casinos all have large turnover. Then the first rule for me is to take good care of your staff right away and straight on a good way.
Your staff has made you great and successful, and you must continue to treat them with respect at all times.

This is an awful thing. They don't care about their staffs! After the hardwork and effort they had given, the management force them to leave without payment such a heartless people. They didn't think that their staffs has families to feed and monthly bills to pay and now how are they able to pay those and how are they able to live with a tight budget? Come on they need the money.

This is very concerning and such incidents have occurred in any business or company during the pandemic, unpaid leave, and even being dismissed with severance payments that do not match the term of office.
and inevitably they have to accept the harsh reality that their lives will be more difficult during the pandemic due to the loss of jobs and income to meet their needs, may this pandemic end quickly and all who have lost their jobs can return to work normally.

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That is a very sad situation which doesn't happen only in casino industry, but in every sectors I believe. We can just hope these employees find work elsewhere at least until the economical activities start heating again.
Furthermore, that is why investments are so important in someone's life. These employees, for an example, didn't expect to be forced into unpaid leave, it was a sudden situation.
So it's important to have some money saved or invested in order to keep the financial life and to guarantee the basic needs during crisis time. That is something which should be taught at schools.

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This is what happen to most of the workers here also in our country so I am not that surprise that the Macau gaming are imposing some forced unpaid leave especially if they can no longer support the payment of their workers.

If the crisis will be finish, I am sure that they can go back to work again but I cannot blame also those 8% for looking for other jobs especially if they need to find some money in order to support their daily livings.

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I think the casinos could have seen a way to have some pay cut for the workers and not totally not giving out some pay to them because I believe that these workers have families and people depending on them . That is why having a regulated casino will make better good for players and workers also.

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Quote from: Cacingkemi on November 10, 2020, 11:47:38 AM

Quote from: fiulpro on November 09, 2020, 01:26:04 PM

The Macau gaming enterprise have reported that more than 60% of the Workers working in casinos have been Forced to take Unpaid leave.

The weird thing was : If the Worker have worked for too long the casinos takes them for granted and they are more likely to loose their payment.

Now 8% of them are thinking of switching to new jobs.

Now the steps taken to tackle that :

Quote

Macau government could regulate the unpaid leave, measures could be implemented for an economic rebound, employees could be offered additional training, and the foreign employment quota should be adjusted to protect the local workers.

Macau continues to suffer the effects of the ongoing pandemic, despite some of the slight recoveries taking place in the industry.

At the same time we saw the boost in the gaming revenues:

Quote

Macau’s gross gaming revenue (GGR) dropped by 90% in September but rose by 229% month-on-month in October. The Individual Visit Scheme resumed mid-September and helped boost the economy in a small way, however, the country expects the tourist arrivals for 2020 to drop by 90%.

Source : https://www.gamblinginsider.com/news/10359/60-of-macaus-casino-workers-furloughed-without-pay

It is very sad to hear and read such a thing. And that while those casinos all have large turnover. Then the first rule for me is to take good care of your staff right away and straight on a good way.
Your staff has made you great and successful, and you must continue to treat them with respect at all times.

This is an awful thing. They don't care about their staffs! After the hardwork and effort they had given, the management force them to leave without payment such a heartless people. They didn't think that their staffs has families to feed and monthly bills to pay and now how are they able to pay those and how are they able to live with a tight budget? Come on they need the money.

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Quote from: fiulpro on November 09, 2020, 01:26:04 PM

The Macau gaming enterprise have reported that more than 60% of the Workers working in casinos have been Forced to take Unpaid leave.

The weird thing was : If the Worker have worked for too long the casinos takes them for granted and they are more likely to loose their payment.

Now 8% of them are thinking of switching to new jobs.

Now the steps taken to tackle that :

Quote

Macau government could regulate the unpaid leave, measures could be implemented for an economic rebound, employees could be offered additional training, and the foreign employment quota should be adjusted to protect the local workers.

Macau continues to suffer the effects of the ongoing pandemic, despite some of the slight recoveries taking place in the industry.

At the same time we saw the boost in the gaming revenues:

Quote

Macau’s gross gaming revenue (GGR) dropped by 90% in September but rose by 229% month-on-month in October. The Individual Visit Scheme resumed mid-September and helped boost the economy in a small way, however, the country expects the tourist arrivals for 2020 to drop by 90%.

Source : https://www.gamblinginsider.com/news/10359/60-of-macaus-casino-workers-furloughed-without-pay

It is very sad to hear and read such a thing. And that while those casinos all have large turnover. Then the first rule for me is to take good care of your staff right away and straight on a good way.
Your staff has made you great and successful, and you must continue to treat them with respect at all times.

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It's kinda understandable why they are forced to take unpaid leave since businesses in this industry are widely affected by the pandemic. Like us, businesses also need to survive. A lot of industries were affected so it's also happening in other sectors, some even lost their jobs. I think most gamblers are still afraid to go outside and the authorities still won't allow crowded places so it's also hard for the business's part. But since it's mentioned that their revenue already increased, I hope workers will now also receive enough pay.

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Macau is a tourist and gambling city, these two are their source of revenue, the government, private sectors and workers should hold a dialogue, I am a pro worker, but they should consider the offer as long as they are not laying off their workers, vaccines are coming out and we will go back to normal, the kind of normal that we used to enjoyed before the pandemic, and workers can then ask for compensation because they agreed to take an unpaid leave.

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