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Quote from: Vishnu.Reang on November 19, 2020, 12:49:28 AM

It is going to be a tough situation for the casino owners. And let's remember the fact that not all of the casinos are owned by billionaires like Sheldon Adelson. A number of them are owned by small-scale owners such as various native American reservations. So I don't expect all of these casinos to have enough cash reserves to pay their employees even if they remain closed for an extended period.

Yeah, that is the point. We should also understand their part, they are doing their business and I think they are also thinking that they are sorry about what happened to these workers. Still, I hope they could easily find another job. This time, it is hard to find a job since most of the businesses and stores are closed or have limited customers so usually they manage it on their own.

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Quote from: Reid on November 09, 2020, 02:44:04 PM

It's sad but not the worse.
We all have been hit hard by the pandemic and without profits from our employers, there is no way they could pay every employee.
You cannot blame them for that. They can provide but they need a share from the government.
Imagine giving away money for a year. How could they start over without capital left in their pockets?
Then, employees will have no jobs to go back to.
This is one of the reasons why I started working from home.

Employees have the rights to get their salary based on the average salary that must be taken per day. Employees must have additional salary for the overtime he/she did on a particular day. Bonuses are a different matter and other things. These are some of the things that is in the law and I think if I were the employee there I would
still work for them but when time comes I will probably leave. As an employee, I would demand that I have the rights that should be mine even if a pandemic comes because I am working for the company itself and the company is profiting even if its small, still it have.

Employee and employer relation are not always the large corporate and helpless individual. Most of the corporate industry are providing some reduced allowances and working shift to the employee as things seem to open a bit even though the health situation might be deteriorating. It's the small business and it's employee that are being affected the most and with the situation of the pandemic, not everyone are able to provide or get help where needed. I just hope everybody of us would get through the situation and if we can't control the virus, we should accelerate the vaccine for the needed and accept to live with the virus.

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Quote from: Reid on November 09, 2020, 02:44:04 PM

It's sad but not the worse.
We all have been hit hard by the pandemic and without profits from our employers, there is no way they could pay every employee.
You cannot blame them for that. They can provide but they need a share from the government.
Imagine giving away money for a year. How could they start over without capital left in their pockets?
Then, employees will have no jobs to go back to.
This is one of the reasons why I started working from home.

Employees have the rights to get their salary based on the average salary that must be taken per day. Employees must have additional salary for the overtime he/she did on a particular day. Bonuses are a different matter and other things. These are some of the things that is in the law and I think if I were the employee there I would
still work for them but when time comes I will probably leave. As an employee, I would demand that I have the rights that should be mine even if a pandemic comes because I am working for the company itself and the company is profiting even if its small, still it have.

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Quote from: xSkylarx on November 19, 2020, 11:00:45 PM

Quote from: FontSeli on November 19, 2020, 07:16:17 PM

To get a permanent job in my country, you must quit your previous employer.

What if I find a new employer first or apply for a new job, when I'm hired then I will just quit from my previous employer. Is it allowed? Won't I be sued if I do this? Unpaid leaves is really not good especially if you have responsibilities to take care of. Even if they live alone or doesn't have a family yet, it's still hard to depend on their parents. What's more difficult is if they start borrowing money from others just to live.

You can look for a new job while you are working on your old one. But you cannot sign a contract for a new permanent job before you have terminated your contract with your previous employer. Otherwise, you will get extremely bad references in your employment history.
However, in our country, the law prohibits sending your employees on unpaid leave for more than 1 month. And an employee can refuse even such a vacation.

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Quote from: michellee on November 20, 2020, 12:53:26 AM

Quote from: xSkylarx on November 19, 2020, 11:00:45 PM

Quote from: FontSeli on November 19, 2020, 07:16:17 PM

To get a permanent job in my country, you must quit your previous employer.

What if I find a new employer first or apply for a new job, when I'm hired then I will just quit from my previous employer. Is it allowed? Won't I be sued if I do this? Unpaid leaves is really not good especially if you have responsibilities to take care of.

I guess that will not be a problem because we can hide that we apply for a new job in the other office from our office or company. And when we are being accepted as a new employee at the new office, we can tell our old office that we resign from our job. I think you will not be sued and you still get paid from the last month because you still work with your old office. People will not want to get unpaid leaves because they can not get their income, and that is why they search for a new job before they resign from the current office.

It's our right to apply for a job, do we think that our previous employer are still interested of employing us if they have already force us for unpaid leave, that's a common sense, you know what it means and you know what to do, if there's someone who has the right to sue, it should not be the employer, but you as an employee.

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Quote from: xSkylarx on November 19, 2020, 11:00:45 PM

Quote from: FontSeli on November 19, 2020, 07:16:17 PM

To get a permanent job in my country, you must quit your previous employer.

What if I find a new employer first or apply for a new job, when I'm hired then I will just quit from my previous employer. Is it allowed? Won't I be sued if I do this? Unpaid leaves is really not good especially if you have responsibilities to take care of.

I guess that will not be a problem because we can hide that we apply for a new job in the other office from our office or company. And when we are being accepted as a new employee at the new office, we can tell our old office that we resign from our job. I think you will not be sued and you still get paid from the last month because you still work with your old office. People will not want to get unpaid leaves because they can not get their income, and that is why they search for a new job before they resign from the current office.

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Quote from: Yudhisthir on November 19, 2020, 11:10:10 PM

It's not just casino but most of the customer interaction based business has followed the same. Traveling and hospitality business suffered the most and casino are just a small part of it. Airlines and hotels too have sent off most of it's staff on unpaid leave. It's difficult for tourism based individual entrepreneur like myself to sustain when there are no people traveling anymore.

Here is an actual answer from a real businessman in which the most affected in this pandemic and i find it correct because we are only looking about what is the effect for the employee but what about the employer in which if they fail much many people will suffer.
so maybe it is better to let some leave than everyone will lose work and business.

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Quote from: Yudhisthir on November 19, 2020, 11:10:10 PM

It's not just casino but most of the customer interaction based business has followed the same. Traveling and hospitality business suffered the most and casino are just a small part of it. Airlines and hotels too have sent off most of it's staff on unpaid leave. It's difficult for tourism based individual entrepreneur like myself to sustain when there are no people traveling anymore.

Its true that unpaid leaves of a workers or employee didn't just happen in casino businesses but almost in kind of travel and resort or hotels and restaurant businesses too. This thing just have happened i guess in the time where pandemic starts where almost all types of business were really affected and paralyzed no guests or customers and theres no any income too so they can't provide to all of their staff the leave paid and up to now global economic still didn't made through this crisis.

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It's not just casino but most of the customer interaction based business has followed the same. Traveling and hospitality business suffered the most and casino are just a small part of it. Airlines and hotels too have sent off most of it's staff on unpaid leave. It's difficult for tourism based individual entrepreneur like myself to sustain when there are no people traveling anymore.

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Quote from: FontSeli on November 19, 2020, 07:16:17 PM

To get a permanent job in my country, you must quit your previous employer.

What if I find a new employer first or apply for a new job, when I'm hired then I will just quit from my previous employer. Is it allowed? Won't I be sued if I do this? Unpaid leaves is really not good especially if you have responsibilities to take care of. Even if they live alone or doesn't have a family yet, it's still hard to depend on their parents. What's more difficult is if they start borrowing money from others just to live.

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Quote from: Questat on November 19, 2020, 07:07:41 PM

The thing is they are not firing their employees, they are just into unpaid leave which means they are still connected with the company and they can come back when the business is needing them, but this is not really helping them at all because they are not making money when they are on leave, so they have no option but to find a job while they are still on leave from the company. For this long pandemic period, no company would be able to withstand especially in the entertainment industry like casinos.

Perhaps you understand this not as I do. In my country, when you are on unpaid leave, you have restrictions on employment with another employer. You may only do temporary work. To get a permanent job in my country, you must quit your previous employer. The whole question is how long the unpaid vacation will last in the situation of this employer. Employees need to pay bills and support their families, they will not be able to stay on unpaid leave for a long time. Therefore, for me, unpaid vacation is very similar to dismissal.

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Quote from: FontSeli on November 19, 2020, 06:40:43 PM

Quote from: Vishnu.Reang on November 19, 2020, 12:49:28 AM

It is going to be a tough situation for the casino owners. And let's remember the fact that not all of the casinos are owned by billionaires like Sheldon Adelson. A number of them are owned by small-scale owners such as various native American reservations. So I don't expect all of these casinos to have enough cash reserves to pay their employees even if they remain closed for an extended period.

Macao is in China. There are no various native American reservations. All casinos in this city belong to private campaigns. It is difficult to condemn them for what they had fired some of their employees. Every business exists in order to bring profit to its owners.
All that remains is to hope that the pandemic will end soon and the economy will start its recovery.

The thing is they are not firing their employees, they are just into unpaid leave which means they are still connected with the company and they can come back when the business is needing them, but this is not really helping them at all because they are not making money when they are on leave, so they have no option but to find a job while they are still on leave from the company. For this long pandemic period, no company would be able to withstand especially in the entertainment industry like casinos.

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Quote from: Vishnu.Reang on November 19, 2020, 12:49:28 AM

It is going to be a tough situation for the casino owners. And let's remember the fact that not all of the casinos are owned by billionaires like Sheldon Adelson. A number of them are owned by small-scale owners such as various native American reservations. So I don't expect all of these casinos to have enough cash reserves to pay their employees even if they remain closed for an extended period.

Macao is in China. There are no various native American reservations. All casinos in this city belong to private campaigns. It is difficult to condemn them for what they had fired some of their employees. Every business exists in order to bring profit to its owners.
All that remains is to hope that the pandemic will end soon and the economy will start its recovery.

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Quote from: bitterguy28 on November 19, 2020, 01:18:12 AM

Casino will recover soon but just need some time and government as well letting them operates again normally.

They will. The vaccine came out already and it has to be produced with billions of dozes. We're about to get out of the new normal and go back with the traditional normal lives again.
Casinos who were once badly affected by it will eventually come back and operations in business again. Those workers that have lost jobs or not yet paid will also be paid for sure.

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Wondering how many of them needs to suffer until days come that gambling world recovers and operation comes to normal again?
i believe that when the early of pandemic days it is Las vegas suffers the same as many casino workers need to stop working and cry for help from their employees.

Sad to know but nothing can help them but to keep fighting and find other job for now.

Casino will recover soon but just need some time and government as well letting them operates again normally.

If you watch the news about closing the factory in many countries, you can imagine that the number of people who were not working and not paid for their job was too big to say.
We don't know the exact number, but it could be more than a thousand people who suffer now in this pandemic.
That is the fact that was happening now in many countries, and not just in the gambling business that saying many employees losing their job, but in other business fields, people have the same experience.
They can not do anything except follow what their company wants, and now they are searching for a new job that can help them get paid and have money.
But I am sure that after the pandemic is over, and the company will reopen in the new normal, people can get new jobs in the new company that can accept them.

There's an economic crisis in every country, when major countries are hit by crisis, the small countries are also affected even if let's say they don't have a lot of covid-19 cases, that's the reality, small countries tend to follow the status of the big countries.

Every industry is affected, even those industries which we think provide necessities of the people, they are not exempted.

Theres no indeed exemption for this one because lots or all of the countries had been affected by this pandemic.Try to look at on those countries which are on the top of the scale
where businesses had been shut down? This will greatly affect their economy.

In result for laying off their workers for the sake of their company to survive and wait up for the entire situation to normalize.

This might takes time though but we are still hoping that everything would be over.We do need to face up the reality if it does really need for us to find another
job then we should do it.

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Quote from: fiulpro on November 09, 2020, 01:26:04 PM

The Macau gaming enterprise have reported that more than 60% of the Workers working in casinos have been Forced to take Unpaid leave.

The weird thing was : If the Worker have worked for too long the casinos takes them for granted and they are more likely to loose their payment.

Now 8% of them are thinking of switching to new jobs.

Now the steps taken to tackle that :

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Macau government could regulate the unpaid leave, measures could be implemented for an economic rebound, employees could be offered additional training, and the foreign employment quota should be adjusted to protect the local workers.

Macau continues to suffer the effects of the ongoing pandemic, despite some of the slight recoveries taking place in the industry.

At the same time we saw the boost in the gaming revenues:

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Macau’s gross gaming revenue (GGR) dropped by 90% in September but rose by 229% month-on-month in October. The Individual Visit Scheme resumed mid-September and helped boost the economy in a small way, however, the country expects the tourist arrivals for 2020 to drop by 90%.

Source : https://www.gamblinginsider.com/news/10359/60-of-macaus-casino-workers-furloughed-without-pay

All of the area of business are affected so Macau is not different from all so expect their reaction like this to keep the business alive,
yeah it is hard for those who losses the job but consider the others that stays having .
for me sacrifices are indeed if we will remain then thanks if we will be kicked then find another job.

Quote from: Vishnu.Reang on November 19, 2020, 12:49:28 AM

It is going to be a tough situation for the casino owners. And let's remember the fact that not all of the casinos are owned by billionaires like Sheldon Adelson. A number of them are owned by small-scale owners such as various native American reservations. So I don't expect all of these casinos to have enough cash reserves to pay their employees even if they remain closed for an extended period.

Sadly true,they need to survive or else everything will Gone in business.

Lets understand first what is needed to do because in the end things will back to normal.

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Quote from: bitterguy28 on November 19, 2020, 01:18:12 AM

Wondering how many of them needs to suffer until days come that gambling world recovers and operation comes to normal again?
i believe that when the early of pandemic days it is Las vegas suffers the same as many casino workers need to stop working and cry for help from their employees.

Sad to know but nothing can help them but to keep fighting and find other job for now.

Casino will recover soon but just need some time and government as well letting them operates again normally.

If you watch the news about closing the factory in many countries, you can imagine that the number of people who were not working and not paid for their job was too big to say.
We don't know the exact number, but it could be more than a thousand people who suffer now in this pandemic.
That is the fact that was happening now in many countries, and not just in the gambling business that saying many employees losing their job, but in other business fields, people have the same experience.
They can not do anything except follow what their company wants, and now they are searching for a new job that can help them get paid and have money.
But I am sure that after the pandemic is over, and the company will reopen in the new normal, people can get new jobs in the new company that can accept them.

There's an economic crisis in every country, when major countries are hit by crisis, the small countries are also affected even if let's say they don't have a lot of covid-19 cases, that's the reality, small countries tend to follow the status of the big countries.

Every industry is affected, even those industries which we think provide necessities of the people, they are not exempted.

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Quote from: bitterguy28 on November 19, 2020, 01:18:12 AM

Wondering how many of them needs to suffer until days come that gambling world recovers and operation comes to normal again?
i believe that when the early of pandemic days it is Las vegas suffers the same as many casino workers need to stop working and cry for help from their employees.

Sad to know but nothing can help them but to keep fighting and find other job for now.

Casino will recover soon but just need some time and government as well letting them operates again normally.

If you watch the news about closing the factory in many countries, you can imagine that the number of people who were not working and not paid for their job was too big to say.
We don't know the exact number, but it could be more than a thousand people who suffer now in this pandemic.
That is the fact that was happening now in many countries, and not just in the gambling business that saying many employees losing their job, but in other business fields, people have the same experience.
They can not do anything except follow what their company wants, and now they are searching for a new job that can help them get paid and have money.
But I am sure that after the pandemic is over, and the company will reopen in the new normal, people can get new jobs in the new company that can accept them.

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Quote from: Vishnu.Reang on November 19, 2020, 12:49:28 AM

It is going to be a tough situation for the casino owners. And let's remember the fact that not all of the casinos are owned by billionaires like Sheldon Adelson. A number of them are owned by small-scale owners such as various native American reservations. So I don't expect all of these casinos to have enough cash reserves to pay their employees even if they remain closed for an extended period.

I would probably switch the casino to more rewarding and better business/casino model that can attract lots of people and be beneficial to most of them. The problem with many casinos and betting centers is that their rewards only go to very few people/customers and the owners/employees. The casinos would do really well and probably retain most of their employees when they start adding lasting value (good & affordable value) to most of customers. The bad part of their businesses should be scrapped off their businesses and the good parts should be retained and be improved. Many people will see them as essentials or necessary products/services, customers will come in large numbers and business will boom... even in difficult times.

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Quote from: bitterguy28 on November 19, 2020, 01:18:12 AM

Wondering how many of them needs to suffer until days come that gambling world recovers and operation comes to normal again?
i believe that when the early of pandemic days it is Las vegas suffers the same as many casino workers need to stop working and cry for help from their employees.

Sad to know but nothing can help them but to keep fighting and find other job for now.

Casino will recover soon but just need some time and government as well letting them operates again normally.

As mentioned many times over on this thread. The local government should have already made laws that would ensure that it would protect the workers and their families. This will ensure that the said workers will receive some sort of paid leave and those laws would also ensure they will receive adequate help in times like these. But this pandemic is unprecedented and unexpected. The laws mostly apply to normal occurences and has nothing in store for such events. We all have to play our part in creating the awareness for the workers.

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