Topic: Casino workers forced into unpaid leave - page 7. (Read 3287 times)
They have reasons why they forced their workers, it could be illegal if there is no pandemic but the casinos in Macau is bleeding very badly because it's their main industry, that has been taken by the pandemic, working in casino in Macau is still a very lucrative job in Macau, they can accept the deal and just ask for raise when the industry recovered, both of them will win the situation.
Not all the time that employers will understand the employees, sometimes employees also needs to understand as the business would only be able to pay their employees if they are operating profitably, and we know in the pandemic, a lot of businesses are affected, including the casino business, and most of them are just operating for survival and they are not really making the kind of profit they are enjoying before the pandemic.
Yes but the thing is, if their contract says that they will be having atleast limited leave with pay then the company needed to pay them for that, they are working to earn money for their needs and family, they are not charity workers that it is okay for them to not pay them, but yes due to this pandemic many of the establishments closses, so I think instead of not paying them, why not shorten their time period , and hire for part timers.Not all the time that employers will understand the employees, sometimes employees also needs to understand as the business would only be able to pay their employees if they are operating profitably, and we know in the pandemic, a lot of businesses are affected, including the casino business, and most of them are just operating for survival and they are not really making the kind of profit they are enjoying before the pandemic.
Yes but the thing is, if their contract says that they will be having atleast limited leave with pay then the company needed to pay them for that, they are working to earn money for their needs and family, they are not charity workers that it is okay for them to not pay them, but yes due to this pandemic many of the establishments closses, so I think instead of not paying them, why not shorten their time period , and hire for part timers. 
I don't know how did the workers take this but for me, I think the company or the casino owners have it rough too. I think they didn't just do that or decide on that unless they are in a slump since we are in a pandemic. We all have it rough and there are a lot of people here too experiencing the same, not just in casinos but in other jobs as well. But right now that we already have a working vaccine, we just need to wait.
Vaculin has raised a good point and i concur with him on this. There should be times the employees understand the employers, this gat to show that the pandemic has affected the ways we operated in the past. Yes, such as this hasn't been seen or happened to these employees before now, but the advent of the pandemic brought about this new happenings and should be understood. The said casino has suffered hugely in the hand of the virus, and for the safety of the employees and the business they made such ambiguous changes which should be embrace by all (though it hurt). Basically, they will be call back when the pandemic gat an vaccine.
I don't know how did the workers take this but for me, I think the company or the casino owners have it rough too. I think they didn't just do that or decide on that unless they are in a slump since we are in a pandemic. We all have it rough and there are a lot of people here too experiencing the same, not just in casinos but in other jobs as well. But right now that we already have a working vaccine, we just need to wait.
No one wanted this and no one are prepared. Feels like we are robbed by this pandemic (and those who are manipulating this virus). It is really hard for business companies, not only casinos who make lose some of their employers but have no choice because that only away to keep the business running. Labor groups had no way to push owners to pay them because they know the situation and if they urge to do that, where they got the money since all of them are in critical stage, they are also losing more than these workers.
It's a kind of understanding that we need to extend to our employees and I don't have to complain either knowing that they also facing the same with us or even more.
It's a kind of understanding that we need to extend to our employees and I don't have to complain either knowing that they also facing the same with us or even more.
Not all the time that employers will understand the employees, sometimes employees also needs to understand as the business would only be able to pay their employees if they are operating profitably, and we know in the pandemic, a lot of businesses are affected, including the casino business, and most of them are just operating for survival and they are not really making the kind of profit they are enjoying before the pandemic.
We are in the time that only the strong will survive, strong in immune system and financial capability, because if we don't have that, we will certainly struggling at the current situation. This is not the business laying off their employees, its the employees who are force to take a leave because the business operation is struggling, and that means they can come back if business will be back to normal, however, these employees wants to survive also, they can't just wait without doing nothing, so they find a job to survive.
No one wanted this and no one are prepared. Feels like we are robbed by this pandemic (and those who are manipulating this virus). It is really hard for business companies, not only casinos who make lose some of their employers but have no choice because that only away to keep the business running. Labor groups had no way to push owners to pay them because they know the situation and if they urge to do that, where they got the money since all of them are in critical stage, they are also losing more than these workers.
It's a kind of understanding that we need to extend to our employees and I don't have to complain either knowing that they also facing the same with us or even more.
It's a kind of understanding that we need to extend to our employees and I don't have to complain either knowing that they also facing the same with us or even more.
Not all the time that employers will understand the employees, sometimes employees also needs to understand as the business would only be able to pay their employees if they are operating profitably, and we know in the pandemic, a lot of businesses are affected, including the casino business, and most of them are just operating for survival and they are not really making the kind of profit they are enjoying before the pandemic.
No one wanted this and no one are prepared. Feels like we are robbed by this pandemic (and those who are manipulating this virus). It is really hard for business companies, not only casinos who make lose some of their employers but have no choice because that only away to keep the business running. Labor groups had no way to push owners to pay them because they know the situation and if they urge to do that, where they got the money since all of them are in critical stage, they are also losing more than these workers.
It's a kind of understanding that we need to extend to our employees and I don't have to complain either knowing that they also facing the same with us or even more.
It's a kind of understanding that we need to extend to our employees and I don't have to complain either knowing that they also facing the same with us or even more.
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That's not a boost. It's a loss. Let's say, for example that the casino has a $ 1 million in revenue (I'm sure it's more than that). A 90% fall means that in September the revenue fell down to $100,000. A 229% boost from September to October means that in October the revenue was $229,000, still down 71% from the regular revenue.So, it's not surprising that workers are forced into unpaid leave. I'm sure the Casino would like to hire more employers because that would mean they were going to make a lot of profit.
Its sad to hear for sure. Those who ran offline casinos have faced the problem but not just them but Hotels, Bars, Pubs, Restaurants and so on - places of public gathering. Now whether you want to gamble at that site again is completely your own choice.
Online casinos are always at an advantage here but of course the ambience of the offline casino is unmatched and the social gathering there is completely absent when you are "gambling from home".
Considering the fact that even online casinos have tech and support crews in certain offices around the world, I wonder how they are coping up. Of course the teams there are much smaller compared to the average employee/casino ratio.
Well, tech teams are composed more of specialized personnel, compared to the employees of casinos where it's mostly social understanding that is a requirement, which makes them numerous, especially since each game requires one to two personnel to attend customers. Online casinos are always at an advantage here but of course the ambience of the offline casino is unmatched and the social gathering there is completely absent when you are "gambling from home".
Considering the fact that even online casinos have tech and support crews in certain offices around the world, I wonder how they are coping up. Of course the teams there are much smaller compared to the average employee/casino ratio.
Its sad to hear for sure. Those who ran offline casinos have faced the problem but not just them but Hotels, Bars, Pubs, Restaurants and so on - places of public gathering. Now whether you want to gamble at that site again is completely your own choice.
Online casinos are always at an advantage here but of course the ambience of the offline casino is unmatched and the social gathering there is completely absent when you are "gambling from home".
Considering the fact that even online casinos have tech and support crews in certain offices around the world, I wonder how they are coping up. Of course the teams there are much smaller compared to the average employee/casino ratio.
Online casinos are always at an advantage here but of course the ambience of the offline casino is unmatched and the social gathering there is completely absent when you are "gambling from home".
Considering the fact that even online casinos have tech and support crews in certain offices around the world, I wonder how they are coping up. Of course the teams there are much smaller compared to the average employee/casino ratio.
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That's not a boost. It's a loss. Let's say, for example that the casino has a $ 1 million in revenue (I'm sure it's more than that). A 90% fall means that in September the revenue fell down to $100,000. A 229% boost from September to October means that in October the revenue was $229,000, still down 71% from the regular revenue.
So, it's not surprising that workers are forced into unpaid leave. I'm sure the Casino would like to hire more employers because that would mean they were going to make a lot of profit.
At the same time we saw the boost in the gaming revenues:
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Macau’s gross gaming revenue (GGR) dropped by 90% in September but rose by 229% month-on-month in October. The Individual Visit Scheme resumed mid-September and helped boost the economy in a small way, however, the country expects the tourist arrivals for 2020 to drop by 90%.
Source : https://www.gamblinginsider.com/news/10359/60-of-macaus-casino-workers-furloughed-without-pay
That's not a boost. It's a loss. Let's say, for example that the casino has a $ 1 million in revenue (I'm sure it's more than that). A 90% fall means that in September the revenue fell down to $100,000. A 229% boost from September to October means that in October the revenue was $229,000, still down 71% from the regular revenue.
So, it's not surprising that workers are forced into unpaid leave. I'm sure the Casino would like to hire more employers because that would mean they were going to make a lot of profit.
Not only casinos do this to their employees, but many other large companies do the same. Casino is forced to do this because income
has decreased, so the budget to pay the salaries of its workers is not there. We also can't blame the casino for this, the best solution for
casinos workers looking for other jobs or they can also try to open a business with small capital. We humans are created with brains,
so use our brains to think creatively, looking for opportunities to make money. I believe every human being has the ability to survive in
any condition.
has decreased, so the budget to pay the salaries of its workers is not there. We also can't blame the casino for this, the best solution for
casinos workers looking for other jobs or they can also try to open a business with small capital. We humans are created with brains,
so use our brains to think creatively, looking for opportunities to make money. I believe every human being has the ability to survive in
any condition.
All of us are affected by this pandemic.
The worst is that despite the world being unfair right now, that we are seeing these people having a hard time dealing with their jobs, we can't actually help them but just sit where we are talking about how unfair or normal that is. We may invite them to invest in cryptocurrencies but I doubt that most of them would just nod and agree to that. What they needed is a stable source of income, we can't just tell them that bitcoin and cryptocurrencies would solve their problems.
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And those employees that gets fired or forced to leave the company will get the first option to get back their position once the company re-open. Again, this is very difficult to all of us, we haven't seen or experienced this before, so as humans we need to re-adjust and survived in this situation.
But make no mistake about it, Pfizer is already on a breakthrough regarding a vaccine. So maybe next year if the plans go ahead as schedule we will see the first batch of the vaccine and maybe we can get back to where we used to be.
Although they have the first option to get back their position once the company reopens, I think they will not easily come to their company before because they can get a better job. But if they don't have any jobs, they will come back and work in that company, and even their salary becomes lower than before. Yes, it is a hard situation for all of us, but I am sure that we can adapt to this, and we can survive in these situations.
I heard that news, so we have hope regarding the vaccine because many people will save by the vaccine. I already heard that Brazil stopped testing its vaccine on their volunteer, but the government does not explain why. I hope that I am mistaken about that news because many people hope that the vaccine can be among them as soon as possible.
Casinos are the largest contributor to Macau, and Macau’s own economies are the Las Vegas of the Asian region.
Last year, gambling and gaming accounted for 67.47% of Macau’s economy.
The closure of gambling areas in Macau because of the Coronavirus pandemic resulted in Macau’s economy experiencing a crisis.
Indeed in February, the Macau government closed the casino. But when the casino can already operate, visitors who come are still quiet.
So it’s only natural that if a gambling company temporarily lays off, some even forcibly lay off employees.
It is ironic, because Macau is one country that experienced the most severe economic recession because of the cororna pandemic,
among dozens of other countries that announced their economies because of the impact of the pandemic.
Last year, gambling and gaming accounted for 67.47% of Macau’s economy.
The closure of gambling areas in Macau because of the Coronavirus pandemic resulted in Macau’s economy experiencing a crisis.
Indeed in February, the Macau government closed the casino. But when the casino can already operate, visitors who come are still quiet.
So it’s only natural that if a gambling company temporarily lays off, some even forcibly lay off employees.
It is ironic, because Macau is one country that experienced the most severe economic recession because of the cororna pandemic,
among dozens of other countries that announced their economies because of the impact of the pandemic.
This is a situation everyone is facing during this situation and most of the companies have cut down the salary by half and majority are not even giving the employees any pay for the past several months because this is an unprecedented situation we never faced in a very long time and even if everyone working in the gambling industry wanted to switch jobs it is not that easy.
It is better to receive the cut down the salary than to get fired by the company because they can still receive the salary although the amount is reduced. They can still try to survive, and they can still search for another job to live. The employee will not feel better if they are fired because they will difficult to search for the other job while they need money to buy daily needs. This year is a difficult year for all people in all countries. Behind this, we will have a bright future as long as we don't give up to try to survive.
And those employees that gets fired or forced to leave the company will get the first option to get back their position once the company re-open. Again, this is very difficult to all of us, we haven't seen or experienced this before, so as humans we need to re-adjust and survived in this situation.
But make no mistake about it, Pfizer is already on a breakthrough regarding a vaccine. So maybe next year if the plans go ahead as schedule we will see the first batch of the vaccine and maybe we can get back to where we used to be.
More number of vaccines were under different levels of testing phase on human. Pfizer has stated it is almost 90% ready with the vaccine. Hope everything goes successful making things go as before.
This is a situation everyone is facing during this situation and most of the companies have cut down the salary by half and majority are not even giving the employees any pay for the past several months because this is an unprecedented situation we never faced in a very long time and even if everyone working in the gambling industry wanted to switch jobs it is not that easy.
It is better to receive the cut down the salary than to get fired by the company because they can still receive the salary although the amount is reduced. They can still try to survive, and they can still search for another job to live. The employee will not feel better if they are fired because they will difficult to search for the other job while they need money to buy daily needs. This year is a difficult year for all people in all countries. Behind this, we will have a bright future as long as we don't give up to try to survive.
And those employees that gets fired or forced to leave the company will get the first option to get back their position once the company re-open. Again, this is very difficult to all of us, we haven't seen or experienced this before, so as humans we need to re-adjust and survived in this situation.
But make no mistake about it, Pfizer is already on a breakthrough regarding a vaccine. So maybe next year if the plans go ahead as schedule we will see the first batch of the vaccine and maybe we can get back to where we used to be.
If the company can't handle the effect of pandemic, it's understandable that they need to forced leave their employees without pay.
Both parties should understand the agreement as the company don't also have a choice even they don't want to do such actions. Soon, we will goes back in the usual normal we have used to.
Of course, it's not sustainable but at least it can cover the employees' spendings for at least a few days or several weeks.
Unlike those companies that left behind their employees, even the company can afford to give a good cash advance.
Unfortunately, transportation was also halted so no way for employees to reached their workplace and not all do have their own vehicle.
The amount of salary they will receive might be much smaller compare to their daily cost going to work.
Both parties should understand the agreement as the company don't also have a choice even they don't want to do such actions. Soon, we will goes back in the usual normal we have used to.
Giving out some sort of aid fund or compensation is at least showing some concern but those amount wont really be that sustainable thats why as an employee who had lost
its work does really need to find alternative ways.
its work does really need to find alternative ways.
Of course, it's not sustainable but at least it can cover the employees' spendings for at least a few days or several weeks.
Unlike those companies that left behind their employees, even the company can afford to give a good cash advance.
It is better to receive the cut down the salary than to get fired by the company because they can still receive the salary although the amount is reduced.
Unfortunately, transportation was also halted so no way for employees to reached their workplace and not all do have their own vehicle.
The amount of salary they will receive might be much smaller compare to their daily cost going to work.
This is a situation everyone is facing during this situation and most of the companies have cut down the salary by half and majority are not even giving the employees any pay for the past several months because this is an unprecedented situation we never faced in a very long time and even if everyone working in the gambling industry wanted to switch jobs it is not that easy.
It is better to receive the cut down the salary than to get fired by the company because they can still receive the salary although the amount is reduced. They can still try to survive, and they can still search for another job to live. The employee will not feel better if they are fired because they will difficult to search for the other job while they need money to buy daily needs. This year is a difficult year for all people in all countries. Behind this, we will have a bright future as long as we don't give up to try to survive.
So, this is still related to the impact of this pandemic right?
Well, this pandemic really gives big impacts, many employees not only in gambling industries are also off, leaving their jobs, as in my country, but many people are also jobless without any severance pay. This is so sad.
Moreover, that is an offline casino where this pandemic really limits the movement and also implement social distancing.
But is that what the best for the government to their citizen? Cutting their job without any payment? Later, will they give the salary for them if they are jobless?
This is a blunder where the casinos also less income and if they do not cut the employees, they may probably be not able to pay them.
Well, this pandemic really gives big impacts, many employees not only in gambling industries are also off, leaving their jobs, as in my country, but many people are also jobless without any severance pay. This is so sad.
Moreover, that is an offline casino where this pandemic really limits the movement and also implement social distancing.
But is that what the best for the government to their citizen? Cutting their job without any payment? Later, will they give the salary for them if they are jobless?
This is a blunder where the casinos also less income and if they do not cut the employees, they may probably be not able to pay them.
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