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Quote from: Mauser on November 13, 2020, 06:00:48 AM

I agree with you that companies try to look after them self first and want to reduce cost. But we shouldn't forget that we are all humans, it's difficult times for all of us. Forcing people into unpaid leaves can ruin families. On my opinion the casinos also have obligation to help out there employees. They shouldn't forget about the expertise and training they invested into their employees. They will need them again once everything picks up again.

You may have forgotten that there are no irreplaceable people. I don't know how it is with casinos, but usually the bigger the enterprise, the harder it is to organize trade unions to protect the interests of workers. I am not at all surprised by this state of affairs. It will always be more important for a casino owner to minimize his losses and keep his business, rather than thinking about his employees who can always be replaced by new ones.

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Quote from: fiulpro on November 09, 2020, 12:26:04 PM

The Macau gaming enterprise have reported that more than 60% of the Workers working in casinos have been Forced to take Unpaid leave.

The weird thing was : If the Worker have worked for too long the casinos takes them for granted and they are more likely to loose their payment.

Now 8% of them are thinking of switching to new jobs.

Now the steps taken to tackle that :

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Macau government could regulate the unpaid leave, measures could be implemented for an economic rebound, employees could be offered additional training, and the foreign employment quota should be adjusted to protect the local workers.

Macau continues to suffer the effects of the ongoing pandemic, despite some of the slight recoveries taking place in the industry.

At the same time we saw the boost in the gaming revenues:

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Macau’s gross gaming revenue (GGR) dropped by 90% in September but rose by 229% month-on-month in October. The Individual Visit Scheme resumed mid-September and helped boost the economy in a small way, however, the country expects the tourist arrivals for 2020 to drop by 90%.

I think this is only because of the pandemic situation. If the casino is closed for many months, it is difficult to pay the salaries to the employee in time period where the business is stopped and no revenue is generated. This situation is very difficult for both the employees and the owner of the physical casino's.
Also finding a new job in this pandemic period is also very difficult as there are no new job opportunities in current times.

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Quote from: abhiseshakana on November 13, 2020, 01:58:44 AM

If regulations regarding unpaid leave do not exist, then these workers can do nothing but have to accept the decision gracefully or find a new job. The decision seems unfair, but workers should also understand that if a company faces a crisis, then the priority is to save the company first, even though it has to implement an unpaid leave policy.

In business, one of the high company expenses is the salary for employees. So when a company faces a crisis, reducing the number of workers is an efficient way to minimize company expenses, especially for companies that have poor cash flow.

I agree with you that companies try to look after them self first and want to reduce cost. But we shouldn't forget that we are all humans, it's difficult times for all of us. Forcing people into unpaid leaves can ruin families. On my opinion the casinos also have obligation to help out there employees. They shouldn't forget about the expertise and training they invested into their employees. They will need them again once everything picks up again.

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This is not illegal, business can't give people a paid leave when the business is not making money as usual.

The economy has been struggling due to the pandemic, so with what is happening, its not wise to stick again in an industry that is not making good revenue anymore, if they will switch job and they can find it, why not find a new one, but we can also understand that the loyalty is there and this pandemic is not permanent so they also don't want to lose their permanent job that could give them a good benefit and assurance once the operation is back to normal.

If those were good gaming/betting centers, they would have been encouraged/pushed to try online (or something like that) and target mostly the citizens of the country. If they were mostly for the money rather than making others/society better, they will likely find it hard to "feed" the citizens or people close to them thesame thing they feed outsiders. Economies built in this manner will likely suffer when crisis like the pandemic arise. Basic needs won't be affected too much.

The company has not responsibility on the employees anymore as they are the one making a decision to leave without pay, though it does not look good but that's how the reality looks like when the business is struggling. Macau is the gambling capital of the world, and that is a big statement on the industry as it's struggling now.

I think the business wouldn't be struggling if it's a good business that offer services people find very helpful/important/good for the country. Perhaps, the government will intervene to prevent them from closing business due to the important service they offer customers. That is actually why it's important as a business person to have a business that really helps society so that people or govt will be willing to help when you are down in situations like the health crisis.

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If regulations regarding unpaid leave do not exist, then these workers can do nothing but have to accept the decision gracefully or find a new job. The decision seems unfair, but workers should also understand that if a company faces a crisis, then the priority is to save the company first, even though it has to implement an unpaid leave policy.

In business, one of the high company expenses is the salary for employees. So when a company faces a crisis, reducing the number of workers is an efficient way to minimize company expenses, especially for companies that have poor cash flow.

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Quote from: FontSeli on November 12, 2020, 06:13:16 PM

I'm sure the casino waited until the last moment before firing any redundant employees. They waited from spring to open their halls. In September, the authorities allowed the casino to open with a limit on the number of people simultaneously staying there, with a safe distance between people, and so on. However, this did not help the casino to eliminate its financial difficulties and the management had to fire its employees.

And some people think that just because some casinos opened up in September and able to at least get some good revenue, these casinos are now back in shape. These people didn't realize that casinos are just recovering from their losses so it's not easy for them to ask their employees to come back at full force.

With the capacity limit when casinos allowed to re-opened, expect that the flow of a much good revenue will take time.

Give them time. If casinos don't really care about their employees, they should fire them instead of forced leave. Soon, we will survive the effect of the pandemic.

People really think that since the authorities allowed the casino to reopen, they immediately started earning money like before. Some even quote impressive statistics on the growth of casino visits in October compared to September. However, no one compares how many people visited the casino before the pandemic and now. I think the numbers will differ several times. That's why they decided to fire their employees.

Firing employees are one of the way to lessen the company expenses especially if a certain company is experiencing losses and not good sales due to the pandemic, for sure the employees will understand why they fired even though they have good performance in their previous work. Firing is good especially if there are valid reason but doing a lot of malpractices to their employees are not okay wherein the employees are forcing to do overtime without extra payment or to force to not do a leave. Traditional casinos should not focus on their sales only, they should also give a care to their employees because they are one of the reason why a certain company have profit in their investment.

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Quote from: FontSeli on November 12, 2020, 06:46:16 PM

Quote from: chaser15 on November 12, 2020, 06:31:56 PM

Quote from: FontSeli on November 12, 2020, 06:13:16 PM

I'm sure the casino waited until the last moment before firing any redundant employees. They waited from spring to open their halls. In September, the authorities allowed the casino to open with a limit on the number of people simultaneously staying there, with a safe distance between people, and so on. However, this did not help the casino to eliminate its financial difficulties and the management had to fire its employees.

And some people think that just because some casinos opened up in September and able to at least get some good revenue, these casinos are now back in shape. These people didn't realize that casinos are just recovering from their losses so it's not easy for them to ask their employees to come back at full force.

With the capacity limit when casinos allowed to re-opened, expect that the flow of a much good revenue will take time.

Give them time. If casinos don't really care about their employees, they should fire them instead of forced leave. Soon, we will survive the effect of the pandemic.

People really think that since the authorities allowed the casino to reopen, they immediately started earning money like before. Some even quote impressive statistics on the growth of casino visits in October compared to September. However, no one compares how many people visited the casino before the pandemic and now. I think the numbers will differ several times. That's why they decided to fire their employees.

Forcing an unpaid leave is quite similar to firing employees and some employees have already understand that. I don't know their labor laws but quite everyone who are in that business are pretty much affected by the pandemic, so business not profitable as they were before the pandemic would reduced their expenses to survive, and since salaries area major expenses, they need to get rid of some manpower.

Those casinos will surely know the labor code and they are doing this aligned to the rules and regulations of the department of labor, we cannot blame this on this one since they are suffering big and loss a lot of money because of this pandemic.

We also have a situation like this in my country, and not just casinos but most of the hotels, malls, and big companies are cutting down their manpower since the pandemic begun, hopefully they'll still hire those people when things get back to normal. If you get unpaid leaves, try to look for something or other source of income while you're waiting to a call back.

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Quote from: chaser15 on November 12, 2020, 06:31:56 PM

Quote from: FontSeli on November 12, 2020, 06:13:16 PM

I'm sure the casino waited until the last moment before firing any redundant employees. They waited from spring to open their halls. In September, the authorities allowed the casino to open with a limit on the number of people simultaneously staying there, with a safe distance between people, and so on. However, this did not help the casino to eliminate its financial difficulties and the management had to fire its employees.

And some people think that just because some casinos opened up in September and able to at least get some good revenue, these casinos are now back in shape. These people didn't realize that casinos are just recovering from their losses so it's not easy for them to ask their employees to come back at full force.

With the capacity limit when casinos allowed to re-opened, expect that the flow of a much good revenue will take time.

Give them time. If casinos don't really care about their employees, they should fire them instead of forced leave. Soon, we will survive the effect of the pandemic.

People really think that since the authorities allowed the casino to reopen, they immediately started earning money like before. Some even quote impressive statistics on the growth of casino visits in October compared to September. However, no one compares how many people visited the casino before the pandemic and now. I think the numbers will differ several times. That's why they decided to fire their employees.

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Quote from: FlightyPouch on November 12, 2020, 07:49:12 AM

I don't know how did the workers take this but for me, I think the company or the casino owners have it rough too. I think they didn't just do that or decide on that unless they are in a slump since we are in a pandemic. We all have it rough and there are a lot of people here too experiencing the same, not just in casinos but in other jobs as well. But right now that we already have a working vaccine, we just need to wait.

They need to adjust in hope that the business will continue, ain't easy task for the owners but with good communication and proper
information with why they needed to do it employee may understand.

Everyone still struggling, casino owners may have spare money but expenses in this pandemic jumped really high. In order to continue
they need to take action like hoping that after this they can facilatate again with how it was before.

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Quote from: FontSeli on November 12, 2020, 06:13:16 PM

I'm sure the casino waited until the last moment before firing any redundant employees. They waited from spring to open their halls. In September, the authorities allowed the casino to open with a limit on the number of people simultaneously staying there, with a safe distance between people, and so on. However, this did not help the casino to eliminate its financial difficulties and the management had to fire its employees.

And some people think that just because some casinos opened up in September and able to at least get some good revenue, these casinos are now back in shape. These people didn't realize that casinos are just recovering from their losses so it's not easy for them to ask their employees to come back at full force.

With the capacity limit when casinos allowed to re-opened, expect that the flow of a much good revenue will take time.

Give them time. If casinos don't really care about their employees, they should fire them instead of forced leave. Soon, we will survive the effect of the pandemic.

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Quote from: dunfida on November 12, 2020, 05:59:08 PM

There would be sacrifices in short but to think that firing employees to let the campaign survive then its no different to those who do just for them to save cost.It wont sustainable if they would continue or decide to go further.Its just not a brainer for making such decisions even though its hard for some part but it is really needed to be done.The economy had been hit badly by this pandemic and businesses now are
doing all sorts of ways or methods for them not to have that total closure.We do value our workers but is theres something you can do if it do put up your company into such risk?

I'm sure the casino waited until the last moment before firing any redundant employees. They waited from spring to open their halls. In September, the authorities allowed the casino to open with a limit on the number of people simultaneously staying there, with a safe distance between people, and so on. However, this did not help the casino to eliminate its financial difficulties and the management had to fire its employees.

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Quote from: slapper on November 11, 2020, 09:48:20 AM

At least they should pay those men a-month salary. What can be worse? Dealing with the pandemic while you lose your job is totally a nightmare. Those people have to struggle for their daily needs. What surprises me that those people continue to loyal to this industry although I believe they can find a new job. I guess high tips are the main reason to prevent them from switching side

Not just gambling but many other businesses force people to abandon their job without paying a single penny. Not all business act the same way, but most of them are not pleased with the idea of paying workers who are planned to be fire.

While many are advocating for this at the same time we need to look at this from the perspective of businesses, maintaining a business is very expensive and when you are forced to close down your doors and you have now to function with only a part of your previous profits things are hard, so businesses will have to take a difficult decision, do they give their employees some support hoping things get better sooner rather than later or they decide to not give anything to them and save themselves that money but give themselves a bad reputation in the process?

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Quote from: FontSeli on November 12, 2020, 04:35:28 PM

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Unfortunately, if the campaign has been working for many decades, it does not guarantee that it will never fall into crisis. I'm sure that the management has done everything possible to prevent layoffs, but it's not always possible to do so. Besides, one shouldn't forget that any purpose of a commercial campaign is to make profit and it's impossible to work at a loss for a long time just to save jobs.

No business on this world would really able to sustain if it do continue to run with losses and its just dumb for them to continue even if they do know that they arent gaining anything.
Lets say that owners doesnt really like to lay off their workers but you wont really be leaving on having some options but to release of them if you do like to continue your business
or wont become bankrupt but if you do insist on keeping your workers just because you do mind of them then expect on what would be the exchange.
This is how reality works.

I understand this very well, because such situations are not rare now around the world, including in my country. Many campaigns are forced to make decisions to downsize their staff because of the pandemic and the economic difficulties it has caused. Somebody does it just to save costs, such campaigns I do not respect. But there are also campaigns that need to fire employees in order for these campaigns to survive.

There would be sacrifices in short but to think that firing employees to let the campaign survive then its no different to those who do just for them to save cost.It wont sustainable if they would continue or decide to go further.Its just not a brainer for making such decisions even though its hard for some part but it is really needed to be done.The economy had been hit badly by this pandemic and businesses now are
doing all sorts of ways or methods for them not to have that total closure.We do value our workers but is theres something you can do if it do put up your company into such risk?

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The current pandemic situation has an effect on everyone, not only employees who are affected, but company owners are the same.
Moreover, companies that use loan capital from banks end up going bankrupt because the profits generated are not sufficient to pay
debt repayments. Therefore we must not blame casinos by laying off or firing their employees, because this step must be taken by
the casinos to reduce the expense burden. Casino workers do not complain by blaming the casinos, they should be able to think wisely
and try to continue their life by looking for another job or other income.

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Quote from: Hamphser on November 12, 2020, 03:36:13 PM

Quote from: FontSeli on November 12, 2020, 03:30:10 PM

Unfortunately, if the campaign has been working for many decades, it does not guarantee that it will never fall into crisis. I'm sure that the management has done everything possible to prevent layoffs, but it's not always possible to do so. Besides, one shouldn't forget that any purpose of a commercial campaign is to make profit and it's impossible to work at a loss for a long time just to save jobs.

No business on this world would really able to sustain if it do continue to run with losses and its just dumb for them to continue even if they do know that they arent gaining anything.
Lets say that owners doesnt really like to lay off their workers but you wont really be leaving on having some options but to release of them if you do like to continue your business
or wont become bankrupt but if you do insist on keeping your workers just because you do mind of them then expect on what would be the exchange.
This is how reality works.

I understand this very well, because such situations are not rare now around the world, including in my country. Many campaigns are forced to make decisions to downsize their staff because of the pandemic and the economic difficulties it has caused. Somebody does it just to save costs, such campaigns I do not respect. But there are also campaigns that need to fire employees in order for these campaigns to survive.

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Quote from: FontSeli on November 12, 2020, 03:30:10 PM

Quote from: coupable on November 12, 2020, 12:08:38 PM

Quote from: FontSeli on November 10, 2020, 03:13:50 PM

Any casino can create a site for gambling. However, this will not save the dismissed employees, because they still can not all work as a support service or technical staff site. Therefore, if the casino has a seriously reduced number of visitors, they will not avoid layoffs. They could certainly pay at least part of their salary, but this could eventually lead to the bankruptcy of the casino. And so the workers have a chance to be hired again once the pandemic is over. The employees will certainly have to look for a new job after they are fired, but the responsible employer will have to pay a good severance package when they are fired.

But in this case we are talking about a casino running since more than two decades, it's shameful if he just fire employees during a global crisis. I know that it's not possible to keep all the stuff working in something they didn't use to deal with but the casino can even hire few devs to lunch the service online and at least keep revenue to the company so don't need to fire workers .

Unfortunately, if the campaign has been working for many decades, it does not guarantee that it will never fall into crisis. I'm sure that the management has done everything possible to prevent layoffs, but it's not always possible to do so. Besides, one shouldn't forget that any purpose of a commercial campaign is to make profit and it's impossible to work at a loss for a long time just to save jobs.

No business on this world would really able to sustain if it do continue to run with losses and its just dumb for them to continue even if they do know that they arent gaining anything.
Lets say that owners doesnt really like to lay off their workers but you wont really be leaving on having some options but to release of them if you do like to continue your business
or wont become bankrupt but if you do insist on keeping your workers just because you do mind of them then expect on what would be the exchange.
This is how reality works.

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Quote from: coupable on November 12, 2020, 12:08:38 PM

Quote from: FontSeli on November 10, 2020, 03:13:50 PM

Any casino can create a site for gambling. However, this will not save the dismissed employees, because they still can not all work as a support service or technical staff site. Therefore, if the casino has a seriously reduced number of visitors, they will not avoid layoffs. They could certainly pay at least part of their salary, but this could eventually lead to the bankruptcy of the casino. And so the workers have a chance to be hired again once the pandemic is over. The employees will certainly have to look for a new job after they are fired, but the responsible employer will have to pay a good severance package when they are fired.

But in this case we are talking about a casino running since more than two decades, it's shameful if he just fire employees during a global crisis. I know that it's not possible to keep all the stuff working in something they didn't use to deal with but the casino can even hire few devs to lunch the service online and at least keep revenue to the company so don't need to fire workers .

Unfortunately, if the campaign has been working for many decades, it does not guarantee that it will never fall into crisis. I'm sure that the management has done everything possible to prevent layoffs, but it's not always possible to do so. Besides, one shouldn't forget that any purpose of a commercial campaign is to make profit and it's impossible to work at a loss for a long time just to save jobs.

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Quote from: Kelvinid on November 12, 2020, 02:13:27 AM

No one wanted this and no one are prepared. Feels like we are robbed by this pandemic (and those who are manipulating this virus). It is really hard for business companies, not only casinos who make lose some of their employers but have no choice because that only away to keep the business running. Labor groups had no way to push owners to pay them because they know the situation and if they urge to do that, where they got the money since all of them are in critical stage, they are also losing more than these workers.

It's a kind of understanding that we need to extend to our employees and I don't have to complain either knowing that they also facing the same with us or even more.

Its really sad to think that even the virus is now being manipulated. Its harder for employees and workers to have unpaid leaves because its not only the virus that is the current threat in some places. Transportation might be another problem and that one is really hard to solve since discipline is needed. Its also not the employers fault since this kinds of establishments depends on customers so if there are no customers, that business is doomed.

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Quote from: FontSeli on November 10, 2020, 03:13:50 PM

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Quote from: FontSeli on November 09, 2020, 05:26:38 PM

The growth of income from games occurs only against the background of September. If you compare this figure with October 2019, it will not be in favor of October 2020. That is why we had to send workers on unpaid leave. Casino is not a place that is vital to people during the pandemic, so many refuse to visit, which affects casino income.

Did you ever heard about planetwin365 sportsbets gambling platform ?
With the pandemic, the company turn the website into an online gaming interface where gamblers can still bet their chances in new online games. It was a wise step to avoid the infection of the pandemic. I would think why all those casinos didn't thought about something similar instead of fire employments. When the workers leave, this is the worst sign the company isn't to be trusted by anybody .

Any casino can create a site for gambling. However, this will not save the dismissed employees, because they still can not all work as a support service or technical staff site. Therefore, if the casino has a seriously reduced number of visitors, they will not avoid layoffs. They could certainly pay at least part of their salary, but this could eventually lead to the bankruptcy of the casino. And so the workers have a chance to be hired again once the pandemic is over. The employees will certainly have to look for a new job after they are fired, but the responsible employer will have to pay a good severance package when they are fired.

But in this case we are talking about a casino running since more than two decades, it's shameful if he just fire employees during a global crisis. I know that it's not possible to keep all the stuff working in something they didn't use to deal with but the casino can even hire few devs to lunch the service online and at least keep revenue to the company so don't need to fire workers .

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The chaos happened because of the pandemic but, will workers who are forced to leave will get paid when the economy recovers? There have been so many devastating effects from the pandemic, but if companies or even the government can promise a later payment once the economy recovers, maybe that will be fine. But if there is no policy in favor of the people or workers, at least it will cause bigger chaos but the gambling industry is huge and it will make it easier for them to recover faster.

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