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Quote from: wallet4bitcoin on January 13, 2024, 08:42:29 PM

All those minimized texts called disclaimers are the devils mail. If you read most of them you'll be surprised at the kind of power you hand over to them on your finances. Most people want to get the game going anyways so they care less about reading them and it has now become a lifestyle not just in the gambling space

Minimized or not, it' s your responsibility as a customer to read the terms carefully before using any service if you want to be safe.
Casinos are for-profit companies and they need to protect their business and that's the purpose of those lengthy pages of terms and rules.
And to be fair to casinos (or other service providers) some terms aims to protect the customer's rights, as well.
If you don't like them just leave and find another casino which has terms that suits you better.

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Quote from: kojektea on January 14, 2024, 04:06:47 PM

rules that are unfair and burdensome for their own users, it's the same as we are giving them free money, it would be better with the rules of giving kyc first before playing so users can determine their choices, such rules look quite cunning like going into a crocodile's mouth, because most people really hate giving identity to casino sites

One of the reasons on why crypto gambling did become that popular is that people could really be able to play without exposing their identities but we know that it wont really be lasting long
considering that gambling sites are really having that huge inflow and outflow when it comes to funds. Government would really be seeking up ways or things that they could get touched
with these businesses on which we do know that this is really that something that could be possible. Now that licensing is already that available or could be applied then this is where
these businesses should comply, there are ones though who do remain having no license but still ended up on being trusted but well it cant be sure 100% because anytime they could turn out to be a shit.

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rules that are unfair and burdensome for their own users, it's the same as we are giving them free money, it would be better with the rules of giving kyc first before playing so users can determine their choices, such rules look quite cunning like going into a crocodile's mouth, because most people really hate giving identity to casino sites

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The thing is that I haven't seen many casinos before, because most of them that I know only require you for KYC when the need arises, and as such it's important to note that any casino that discriminately asks you for KYC is doing so with an aim, either there want to withhold your money or even block you when you provide the right documents.
So is important for us to take note of that fact, and separate all of them from each other and also make sure that we avoid any casino that has a dirty policy such as deliberate locking of players' accounts and asking for u realistic jyc procedure.

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Quote from: piebeyb on January 12, 2024, 12:12:25 PM

There are big casinos without asking for KYC like Stake as long as you play with an IP from a country that is not banned, I am so far without KYC to withdraw even make deposits and play, I am not a big gambler just a small gambler so so far still have no problems about KYC in their site, even if they ask for it I won't mind as long as their site has a good reputation on this forum or out there. To be honest, I'm not too happy with KYC-free sites, in fact it makes me not really feel safe playing.

Stake asks for KYC documents, they are not KYC-free casino. You probably gamble and make withdrawals without KYC because you are the participant of their signature campaign, so, I think that there is simply no reason to push verification on you because I assume you mostly get deposits from them and not deposit yourself from another wallet. By the way, I agree with you, if I have to gamble on a KYC casino, I will play on a reputable one to feel safe.

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Quote from: the rise on January 13, 2024, 04:49:51 PM

Choosing a casino site that has a good reputation is the main solution, many are available here, and you can read reviews about casinos directly here, that's why you are always careful with new casinos, usually the T&Cs and Tos are still displayed but the text is minimized or in a corner. so that people are lazy to read, still be careful with cashinks like that, deposit without withdrawing Grin

All those minimized texts called disclaimers are the devils mail. If you read most of them you'll be surprised at the kind of power you hand over to them on your finances. Most people want to get the game going anyways so they care less about reading them and it has now become a lifestyle not just in the gambling space

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Quote from: Dunamisx on January 12, 2024, 04:02:17 PM

Gamblers shouldn't make this common mistake for gambling platforms not asking for KYC informations in the beginning to be that they are not a KYC gambling platform, some may only require for this when you get to a particular stage that you will have to needed them to provide you access to some particular functions their system already have detected that you needs to validate before they can grant access, we need to understand the way some of these casinos operate even before using them.

What is there is that, most casinos who mean business may ask a player to go through KYC verification of their suspect th IP or other related KYC trigger elements, so you shouldn't be surprised to be asked to go through with KYC immediately you registered on a casino, bit nonetheless, we have to accept the fact that while some others may be allowed to gamble freely with a few info, others will be pinned down to hand over some vital infos along the line.
So if anyone want to avoid all this KYCs then you have to search out some decentralised casinos who don't require KYC, but as long as you are gambling in a centralised regulatory compliance casino, you must hand over your verification documents at some points when asked for that.

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Choosing a casino site that has a good reputation is the main solution, many are available here, and you can read reviews about casinos directly here, that's why you are always careful with new casinos, usually the T&Cs and Tos are still displayed but the text is minimized or in a corner. so that people are lazy to read, still be careful with cashinks like that, deposit without withdrawing Grin

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Maximum sites do this and several sites do this before disabling/locking the account. KYC verification requires knowing whether the user has one account or multiple accounts and at the same time to know the user is missing any bonus or something like that.

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Quote from: Rating Place on January 12, 2024, 04:16:17 PM

If the casinos would return your money then it's fine. But some of the casinos let you play as long as you lose. Then when you win, they take your winnings and may even take your deposits. There are some that return everything.

There are plenty of casinos that don't see a problem with their customers as long as that customer keeps losing. Whenever a gambler starts winning and makes a large amount of profit the casino's character changes and looks for ways to trap the gambler's funds in any way possible. So gamblers should avoid those bad reputation casinos to avoid losing their funds. Because if a casino has bad intentions then the biggest secret is hidden behind all the positives of that casino.

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I'm baffled to see this can happen as well. I know that some ask for it right away, whilst some, such as Dplay for example, never do. But to get in a situation where I get in, win, and can't get any proceeds out, I'd be as pissed as I ever ever was damn

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Quote from: Shamm on January 13, 2024, 10:34:16 AM

Yeah this is the only thing why other gambler don't want to persue or dint came back once they try like that casino. Cause like what you said above mate there some casino who are doing such thing they will not ask KYC in the first deposit but in the end of the day if a gambler will win and want to withdraw his/her money then the casino will ask for KYC which pretty bad cause gambler didn't expect that happens.

To get this sorted out, isn't good that the gamblers may do the KYC first and once the KYC is approved then they deposit and gamble. This way, they will not have to do the KYC on the winning conditions as the KYC will be approved before. Also this will neglect the fact that casino will not be able to deny the KYC at that time, when they see that gambler have win a big amount and have applied for the withdraw.

Although i believe that we should be playing at trusted casinos but still if anyone want to try their luck on these casino which do such things (like asking KYC in withdrawals), better be prepared before.

I like the casino that operated in such a way. I mean that requires tier 1 KYC information from the user which will allow gamblers to withdraw at least 2K USD or go through the whole KYC process before depositing than casinos that require KYC after the user wins a certain game.
The emotion of the gambler is always hurt footing how the money will be on her mind and the plan she already had for the fund.

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Quote from: wallet4bitcoin on January 12, 2024, 01:05:07 PM

Quote from: piebeyb on January 12, 2024, 12:12:25 PM

There are big casinos without asking for KYC like Stake as long as you play with an IP from a country that is not banned, I am so far without KYC to withdraw even make deposits and play, I am not a big gambler just a small gambler so so far still have no problems about KYC in their site, even if they ask for it I won't mind as long as their site has a good reputation on this forum or out there. To be honest, I'm not too happy with KYC-free sites, in fact it makes me not really feel safe playing.

I do not entirely agree that stake is a zero KYC platform. Maybe you being a small gambler has not yet exposed you to the conditions that makes for KYC verifications. As it used to be with exchangers, there are always daily limits allowed without KYC, once exceeded, it becomes mandatory

From what I read about stake, conference think stake is a KYC casino and just as the user said, stake have KYC in place but also stake is not too Strict on their KYC implementation and since they it seems that stake have the right mechanism in place, their may not be asking for KYC app the time, but then it must important to not that if along the line it need, stake won't hasitate to ask for it from the customers.

Also I have read somewhere that a player withdraw a huge amount of money for stake without going through with KYC, and much also it has been known to many already that not only stake who have flexible KYC rule, other casinos who have established system and status also have such similar practice of not bordering they clients with such thing as KYC.

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Quote from: Mia Chloe on January 12, 2024, 04:23:55 PM

Exactly an online casino requesting KYC registration when you want to make a withdrawal is a bad practice and such a casino could be a scam one. However Some of these casinos may have these added in their user agreement policy but too bad most persons don't take their time to go through them before hitting the agree button.

Still, it isn't right for a casino to request KYC especially an online one which deals with crypto bets. Imagine doing KYC in an online casino that uses crypto in a country which has a crypto ban .

Some time casino site request with KYC not on the first time registration but after trying to withdraw huge amount, but deposit fund process instant although account not been verify yet. I think bad side with many casino platform they are not requesting with KYC on first time registration and deposit fund have to verify account firstly before starting with betting or playing casino games. Although on gambler position have agreement with policy of casino site but need transparent actually with requesting KYC on not.
Some problem account suddenly not available for withdrawing but fund still can use for betting, its looks not logic reason with policy on casino or gambling platform when withdrawing disable but account can use for betting.

It do becomes standard nowadays in speaking about having those kind of verification on the time that you would really be withdrawing big amounts but actually there are sites that do really make out such thing and there are ones who dont really ask anything and just simply withdraw you. This is why it would really be that best that you should really be reading up on site terms and conditions on which you should really be that wary about on having KYC on the time on big amounts when it comes to winning but i do see that this wont really be that an issue much considering that people would really be definitely be making that KYC without having asked
questions considering if the amount is really that big or significant but somewhat it is really that better or recommended that you should really be getting those winnings without any verification.

This is where you would really be able to see that importance on having that reputation check and having that terms and condition awareness because if you dont like KYC no matter what then reading
up these things on the first place should really be your priority but somewhat it would be better that you should really know and better deal with those sites
which does have good standing or reputation.

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Quote from: Shamm on January 13, 2024, 10:34:16 AM

Yeah this is the only thing why other gambler don't want to persue or dint came back once they try like that casino. Cause like what you said above mate there some casino who are doing such thing they will not ask KYC in the first deposit but in the end of the day if a gambler will win and want to withdraw his/her money then the casino will ask for KYC which pretty bad cause gambler didn't expect that happens.

To get this sorted out, isn't good that the gamblers may do the KYC first and once the KYC is approved then they deposit and gamble. This way, they will not have to do the KYC on the winning conditions as the KYC will be approved before. Also this will neglect the fact that casino will not be able to deny the KYC at that time, when they see that gambler have win a big amount and have applied for the withdraw.

Although i believe that we should be playing at trusted casinos but still if anyone want to try their luck on these casino which do such things (like asking KYC in withdrawals), better be prepared before.

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Quote from: Mia Chloe on January 12, 2024, 04:23:55 PM

Exactly an online casino requesting KYC registration when you want to make a withdrawal is a bad practice and such a casino could be a scam one. However Some of these casinos may have these added in their user agreement policy but too bad most persons don't take their time to go through them before hitting the agree button.

Still, it isn't right for a casino to request KYC especially an online one which deals with crypto bets. Imagine doing KYC in an online casino that uses crypto in a country which has a crypto ban .

Some time casino site request with KYC not on the first time registration but after trying to withdraw huge amount, but deposit fund process instant although account not been verify yet. I think bad side with many casino platform they are not requesting with KYC on first time registration and deposit fund have to verify account firstly before starting with betting or playing casino games. Although on gambler position have agreement with policy of casino site but need transparent actually with requesting KYC on not.
Some problem account suddenly not available for withdrawing but fund still can use for betting, its looks not logic reason with policy on casino or gambling platform when withdrawing disable but account can use for betting.

Yeah this is the only thing why other gambler don't want to persue or dint came back once they try like that casino. Cause like what you said above mate there some casino who are doing such thing they will not ask KYC in the first deposit but in the end of the day if a gambler will win and want to withdraw his/her money then the casino will ask for KYC which pretty bad cause gambler didn't expect that happens.

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Quote from: Mia Chloe on January 12, 2024, 04:23:55 PM

Exactly an online casino requesting KYC registration when you want to make a withdrawal is a bad practice and such a casino could be a scam one. However Some of these casinos may have these added in their user agreement policy but too bad most persons don't take their time to go through them before hitting the agree button.

Still, it isn't right for a casino to request KYC especially an online one which deals with crypto bets. Imagine doing KYC in an online casino that uses crypto in a country which has a crypto ban .

Some time casino site request with KYC not on the first time registration but after trying to withdraw huge amount, but deposit fund process instant although account not been verify yet. I think bad side with many casino platform they are not requesting with KYC on first time registration and deposit fund have to verify account firstly before starting with betting or playing casino games. Although on gambler position have agreement with policy of casino site but need transparent actually with requesting KYC on not.
Some problem account suddenly not available for withdrawing but fund still can use for betting, its looks not logic reason with policy on casino or gambling platform when withdrawing disable but account can use for betting.

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Quote from: PX-Z on January 12, 2024, 12:57:19 PM

Quote from: piebeyb on January 12, 2024, 12:12:25 PM

There are big casinos that doesn't ask KYC like Stake

We are talking about casinos that doesn't ask KYC, while Stake does required it's users once it hit its certain limits, detect anomalies on the account, huge withdrawals, etc. so technically they required KYC, no ifs and buts.

That's how I know that when you withdraw a large amount of money from the cryptocurrency casino platform here, it's normal for them to require KYC from the player. Of course, they will first evaluate if anyone has violated their rules.

Then, if you know for yourself that you have not violated any of their rules, there is no reason for you to worry as a gambler in the crypto gambling business industry, right?

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Quote from: Yogee on September 18, 2023, 07:56:13 PM

Quote from: Drawesome on September 18, 2023, 04:54:00 PM

[....]I also tested registering from a banned country and even indicating it on the form, and it does not prevent you from making a deposit.

I was gonna say that a lot of crypto casinos do not have an upfront KYC but this part just made me think that platform is a mess. Their system isn't set up to check information quickly. How did you put the banned country by the way? I was assuming it's still on the list of options or did you just typed it manually?

Exactly an online casino requesting KYC registration when you want to make a withdrawal is a bad practice and such a casino could be a scam one. However Some of these casinos may have these added in their user agreement policy but too bad most persons don't take their time to go through them before hitting the agree button.

Still, it isn't right for a casino to request KYC especially an online one which deals with crypto bets. Imagine doing KYC in an online casino that uses crypto in a country which has a crypto ban .

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Quote from: Drawesome on September 18, 2023, 04:54:00 PM

Just a warning in case it prevents someone from falling into this shitty scheme.

I was checking a crypto-casino with very easy entry just asking email and country, and allowed deposits in the main cryptos. I didn't need to deposit anything to realize that to withdraw funds they did require a complete KYC with ID, etc. I also tested registering from a banned country and even indicating it on the form, and it does not prevent you from making a deposit.

I guess I stated the obvious, but I don't see the point for gamblers in using this.

Care to share the casino? Usually, KYC requirements are indicated on their ToS, not on their registration page. It usually scares away users after all and isn't really that advertising-friendly if they added it there.

Registering from a banned country is allowed, and usually passes through for the first few days but once they check the accounts, they still usually get banned. They also need to cross-check for VPN usage as well. It's why you see so many people complaining about getting banned after a few days of playing. Plus, if they let you play on your own and then suddenly ban you, it's free money for them.

Some casinos like Stake do this, and while I personally have no qualms about this type of KYC mechanic I can see why people are disappointed with this kind of setup. You go there, log in and play a couple games thinking that the casino will let you off the hook since it didn't ask for your identifiable details when you register, and the moment you withdraw your money you're slapped with a popup asking you to KYC first, which is already an aggravating process for some who aren't too eager to let their stuff out on the internet.

Perhaps a more upfront approach is more desirable. Let people know that you're doing KYC from the get-go by making them do it after you register, that way the people aren't burdened with having to send an ID when all they expected to do is just send an address and wait for their money to arrive.

If the casinos would return your money then it's fine. But some of the casinos let you play as long as you lose. Then when you win, they take your winnings and may even take your deposits. There are some that return everything.

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