Topic: Casinos not asking for KYC to register and play, but do require it to withdraw - page 39. (Read 12762 times)

You're right, i will also like to add this as a piece of an advise to gamblers to make sure that they have every possible required information needed for KYC before they started with them because when the time comes for the verification of KYC, some don't even have the proof of every informations required from them, not even access to the contact number or email address used can they be able to provide, which is not right enough from our own side.

There is a buyer and a seller on any market. Same is here. And anyway someone will lose. This is about big money in bitcoin and they can`t lose. Anyway someone lose - and i don`t see any facts why it can`t be bitcoiners. It is good for big countries to use BTC today - they can pay someone, they can move a huge volume of fiat money in BTC and change the price of it.
Possible i mistake, but i prefer to have in BTC money, that i`m ready to lose.

No matter how we want to look at it, it's not right to say one thing in the beginning and do another thing at last; that's a shedy thing that most gamblers usually do. It's always right for you to update and tell the people that this is what they are going to face in the casino they want to start gambling with. Let me know and decide if they want it or not.
 
Telling someone there will be no KYC of any kind, and you having that in mind before you made your first deposit and you started gambling with them only for you to have a large winning, that's when they start asking for KYC documents. Such behaviour doesn't look okay to me; it's like forcing someone to do what they planned on doing in the first place.

I don't really understand why others still ended up in a random and unpopular crypto gambling sites that is not even advertised here in the forum. Since these users posting this kind of thread here in the forum, I'm expecting them to at least will stick only at those gambling sites advertise here.

Moving forward with the subject, it's like a situation where site are using Terms and Service against their users. There are lots of sites out there that can freely register, make a depost and so on but when it withdrawal time, they will ask about complying with the KYC.

These sites with mandatory KYC should at least put that term right directly at the registration page.

If you are dealing with a shady casino then expect that there would really be an endless kind of accusations which would be thrown at you on which you would really be rather making yourself that look
you are the ones who had been able to commit out such error or simply they would really be washing up their hands just to make you look to be the ones who commit out such error and would really be patching up on the shady things that they've been dealing with. This is why it would really be always important that you should really be doing your own research well and would be just engaging into those platforms or sites which we do know that they are reputable. Having some research wont really be costing you an arm and leg. It is really just that people are way too lazy.

Well in that sense it is something that we cannot highlight, although I say something, if it happens that people no longer want to do KYC or anything like that, casinos that are decentralized will begin to reign or there will be a way that casinos will be able to do something to avoid VPNs at least, of course I understand what you are saying, but if the biggest crimes are and have been with FIAT money, the money that comes from crypto is not for them to leave , Everything is bad ,  yes I know You're laughing, but believe me there will be ways that people will want Bitcoin, for now it is at a good price, just imagine that it Reaches $100k there will be total madness , and Something so valuable that out of nowhere it will reach zero for me For now it is not viable, it is not possible, it is like killing the goose that lays the golden Eggs.

What happened is that I say it from the Point of view that such large Institutions that have made large investments in bitcoin and not earn anything, that is something that cannot happen, these companies have not made this tremendous investment to end up at zero , in In the worst case, I think things would have to be handled from a point of view very far removed from what it means to put things in fiat money, or to carry out operations from a country that does have freedom or a tax haven where it does not matter. give so much importance, it is that bitcoin is money, just like gold, like any other action, only that bitcoin cannot be controlled by any government, in fact governments own bitcoin and they can do anything with it, there will be many ways to get money, people for money are able to enter the same deepweb but they do not stay without their money, people when they see that they are messing with their pocket change noticeably, and that is seen anywhere in the world wherever things are handled, for that reason we are always looking for a way to buy bitcoin and buy Bitcoin.

Can you name the casino that set up that poor gambler? We must know the name of that "hero". This time they cheated with VPN. Next time they might point on a "no lose bet" or confuse user with depositing on a not supported blockchain. Or say that KYC verification is used in specific cases and immediately ask for it after deposit.

I personally was never asked for KYC in casinos, but I once was asked to pass it to be eligible to receive bounty reward. I have stupidly sent docs, and they were rejected without reason, so I have lost my reward. No one is safe from casinos doing the same. They can ask for KYC to withdraw, then answer with "rejected", send user to re-read ToS and steal money. KYC is useless, unsafe and make no sense.

I have to agree with you, actually, there have been an Instance where a gambler who just signed up on gambling casino reached out to the Customer support of that same casino to inquire if it's OK if he uses a VPN to play on the casino, the customer care answered yes, that the gambler is free to use vpn on their casino.

The gambler then turned on his vpn and played on the casino for several hours before leaving, the next day, he came back to discover that his account has been locked and even the funds on his account forfeited, he reached to them and he was told that he's been banned for going against the casinos terms and conditions, when he asked what he did that is against the casino's term and conditions, he was told he user VPN to play, that vpn usage on the casino is not allowed.

Long story short, after back and forth argument, it turned out that the customer care who told the gambler to go ahead and use VPN seems to not know the terms and conditions of the casino he or she is working for.

Customer care personnels can't be completely trusted.

Fake or real, the world's AML act requires casinos and other companies dealing with deposits and withdrawals to know their customers, that is the world standard. So, don't be surprised if your casino asks you for the same in the beginning or thereafter, it is still within their rights to do that. Only that most of these casinos aren't answerable to anyone, they pretend and do as they like, especially those who do not have the .com, .org, .net and some specific countries' domains.

They will only be faking it as if it is because of one regulation. Fine, some might be regulated truly, but still a light one as they operate offshore at the same time which makes it easy for them to do and undo. Irrespective of that, everyone dealing with money with third-party companies should know that they will do their KYC for real, and whether they ask you in the beginning or later, you are bound to do it. This is why you should even do it before making your first deposit, but what I don't like is when people have passed the KYC successfully but due to winnings and good plays the casinos will be asking for additional documents. At that time, they are only doing that for selfish reasons, the style is no more new.

Silly yes but given how it's a thing that they've done in the past means that they don't care too much that it looks silly or stupid to us that they're doing it. Customer support doesn't really give you big help even if you ask them the right and specific questions, they almost always end up not being able to answer it because they've got a script and that they're likely not finding your questions in their scripts and I don't think they'll like divulge the information that the casino that they're working for have a sneaky KYC policy, at best they might tell you something but the problem is that it's likely a obscure and confusing answers. Blame them all you want but businesses should be honest with what they're doing because once the truth comes out, they won't know what's going to happen next for them.

They don`t hide this information, you`re right. Mostly you can find it in ToS, or you can ask support. But it isn`t a problem. The problem is that they choose time to KYC when they want. If you decide to withdraw money you can get KYC and wait for it a long time. And you can`t KYC yourself, or make a small withdrawal to make casino KYC you.
As i said several times - the best choice is to KYC yourself if casino allows it or KYC during the registration, before your first deposit. But i don`t think that lots of casinos choose such a way.

Casinos do not hide their KYC verification it will be utterly silly of them. Before you make a deposit or if you want to know, they have an active customer support chat box that you can use to ask them about KYC verification inside of having an assumption that it is hidden. I blame Gambler for not having the common sense to use the search button to check for KYC verification, or even reading the terms and conditions, or lastly even asking their support agent about KYC.

We all have to blame every casinos that hide KYC verification from their customers. This does not make sense wat all. We'll want to know whether a casino is KYC mandatory or not. At least it will help us to get prepared when time for verification comes. It is better to be stated that a casino is KYC mandatory to gamblers than hiding it from people. After all, it is going to be known later and this alone can make many gamblers to leave a casino if this kind of things is not well stated earlier.

Nobody can do something with the Governments. And the countries like El Salvador can`t help - anyway all of us need fiat money for real life. El Salvador can become an offshore like Cayman Islands but for cryptocurrencies. And it will be used by big bosses like mixers.
And the same problem with Tor, VPN, etc. The main problem that we can`t buy everyday things using cryptocurrencies. We have to change it for fiat money, mostly using credit/debt cards. And here the bitcoiner can be caught easily. I don`t work in police, but i`m sure that they have something to catch us even in cryptocurrencies. And anyway when you get fiat money the tax service begin to ask you some questions.
It is just one moment, why i`m sure that BTC can cost nothing some moment.

Regards the part you have bolted - I have missed one small, but important word - dont. Sorry.

Has anyone here faced KYC in offline casinos? I have been in offline casinos only several time, and only one I was asked to fill a form as a new client. It was just basics, name/surname/mobile/email, and right now I understand that it wasnt much obligatory to do (I think it was because it was a poker tournament and I could freely use all other table games and slots). Anyone was asked for documents when exchanging chips to fiat?

You are absolutely right , the main problem is dealing with people who believe that using bitcoin is bad , the Governments are those types of entities that want to control Absolutely everything so as not to let anything be done, only them, but let's take the example of a Country like El Salvador , whose identity has changed a lot and thanks to Bukele who has done great things with the bitocin, has changed the way people see this and it is Possible that many children have the complete understanding that this is a way out of private economies and that is a Sufficient Reason not to be Controlled by governments, I don't remember which senator from the USA says that bitcoin should be controlled, but it is as you say, how can they control bitcoin ? certainly that man has no idea what is happening, these are things that do not make any Kind of sense to me, in this case the things that we have heard about a powerful crypto asset are because many times they have no idea what it can achieve .

That's why we should always fight for the things that we believe can make a Difference , governments? banks? They will always be on their side, don't they care about anything else , uncontrolled money? That is like kryptonite for Superman to them , so they must Subject people to identifying themselves, because with the security protocols that we all know, such as Tor, VPN and all these tools that allow us to be in a more secure layer for the anonymity they are more difficult to track, only those who make the exchange directly from their wallet passing through a fiat money bank, when money inflows are recorded, where partiuclamrne the bank jumps and begins to see and ask why it is using such money and what is the origin of their funds ? Unless you have a bank account in Switzerland where things work on another level , and you can talk about more Freedoms.

Now itt is difficult to say how long a jurisdiction such as Costa Rica will last by providing licenses for crypto casinos that do not have mandatory KYC.  Of course, we have no information to what extent the officials and government of this country are independent of the US regulatory authorities.  And in general from financial and political pressure from the US government.  Of course, the possibility of anonymous payments in crypto casinos should be preserved for many reasons, which have already been repeatedly listed in this topic. 
But even if the Costa Rican authorities break under pressure from the USA and begin to demand mandatory KYC, the players’ needs for anonymity will still not go away; they remain.     And this will automatically require the organization of one or more jurisdictions in the world that would not require mandatory KYC in the license.

They ask for KYC because they operate under license and regulations force them to ask for KYC documents because if anything happens, like money laundering, it will become their problem. It's also true to say that many casinos ask for KYC documents when user wins lots of money. They can legally do that, so, some of them play bad games when you win a lot but what can be done to prevent that? Over time more of them will officially be demanded to ask KYC documents to every registered customers. But on another hand, new casinos with Costa Rica license manage to offer their service without KYC. It seems interesting to see how long will this continue and whether well-established crypto casinos change their license or not.

Crypto gamblers don't like KYC because they feel they are using crypto and not fiat. But KYC has become an obligation for gamblers, especially those who frequently deposit and withdraw large amounts of money. Casinos apply KYC to their members to check whether they are involved in anything illegal or not.

Casinos don't want to get into trouble with illegal things. Besides that, casinos are also supervised by regulators so that casinos can only follow the rules. If crypto gamblers don't like KYC, they can look for other crypto casinos that need to implement KYC more deeply. But it would be best for gamblers to ask the casino about this KYC issue to get a clear answer.

And we have to read the rules first before deciding to register. And we should also not use big money if we are still new to the casino. This is necessary to avoid KYC requests from casinos, especially if we do not want to do KYC at the casino. And if you want to do KYC, you have to choose the casino you really want so that you don't worry about your data's security.

It is true that people's opinion differ and it is not right for someone to generalize his personal opinion there by making it a public opinion. But I still want to point out something that gamblers have some kind of unified opinion and this is seen when 70% of gamblers wants one particular thing, it is right to take that thing as the general opinion of the gamblers.

Some casinos are kyc casinos while some are non kyc casino, both can co-exist, but in general what the gamblers want is non kyc casino. In reality those casinos are winding up on daily basis because the government is always against them. However, gamblers who are so attached to their privacy also know some ways to gamble without completing kyc.