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Quote from: BitcoinPanther on September 23, 2023, 04:54:54 PM

I bet those gamblers that are lazy to read the Terms of Service will be surprised once they are done playing and try to withdraw to get a notification that they have to provide KYC in order to process their withdrawal. So it should be an SOP to read the terms of the casino before depositing any amount of money, if unsure of the terms we can always reach out to the support chat to inquire something that we do not understand.

It's not that these kind of gamblers are lazy since if your look into their perspective you may understand how these situations happens. Some casino just advertised too much of them being KYC-free to attract new users until they withdraw where they'll be required to provide documentation for KYC.

But still, it's for us gamblers to understand that these requirements are done under the gambling regulation to make sure the casino platform run. We must be diligent into looking if there is any fine print or catch about these KYC-free platform. Most of them only require KYC if needed such as if you have suspicious activity and/or has met the withdrawal limit for KYC-free users.

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I bet those gamblers that are lazy to read the Terms of Service will be surprised once they are done playing and try to withdraw to get a notification that they have to provide KYC in order to process their withdrawal. So it should be an SOP to read the terms of the casino before depositing any amount of money, if unsure of the terms we can always reach out to the support chat to inquire something that we do not understand.

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Quote from: delfastTions on September 23, 2023, 03:33:04 AM

I think I agree with the thesis that it is wrong to completely ignore new casinos on the gambling market.
Simply because in life quite often you want to see something new for yourself, and in new casinos, in addition to interesting interfaces, which also entertains, there may be other new games that you had no idea about before, playing in the old and well-known ones. time-tested casinos. Here, it seems to me that the most reasonable approach is to occasionally try to play in a new casino with small deposits. It may well turn out that you will like it.

I also don't find anything wrong in trying a new casino platform as long as someone isn't making very large deposits and is just making the minimal deposit only to try out the platform or the games it offers, one might get good bonuses and knows, maybe even complete the wagering requirement somehow and be able to withdraw some money from that new casino. Such things might not happen very often but they do happen sometimes and there is nothing wrong in trying your luck.

However, I'm not a fan of doing KYC verification at a brand new casino platform, and if a casino asks you to complete your KYC verification at the initial stage, maybe you should not do that because we never really know what happens after some time since a lot of platform also turn out to be scams later.

When you are tending to test up some new platforms then it would really be just that wise that you should really be looking for some relevant words or feedbacks into those people who had actually make out
some dealing with that new site but if you arent that convinced then you could really test out for yourself but as said it would be ideal that it would really be just tested out with small amounts if you dont
really like to suffer if ever you had stepped your foot into the wrong site or scam site but we know that those old timers or reputable ones are once that a new site on which people cant really be
avoided for you not to hesitate on having those first time tries specially if they are just new but it turns out that they had successfully be able to hook up people via giving those best service and
gamblers experience which is something a very standard that they would really be needing to consider. It would really be survival for the fittest and to those who wont really be able to
do so will surely be beaten up by the competition.

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I'll respond and post my comment in this thread without reading any of the comments above. I'll do it because I don't want my reply to be affected by the replies above.
A casino asking for kyc is a casino willing to comply with regulations. Some casinos will not ask for kyc because they don't want to intemidate their customers. If they ask for kyc then it's either because they are forced to do so or because they think you've done something wrong.

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Quote from: delfastTions on September 23, 2023, 03:33:04 AM

I think I agree with the thesis that it is wrong to completely ignore new casinos on the gambling market.
Simply because in life quite often you want to see something new for yourself, and in new casinos, in addition to interesting interfaces, which also entertains, there may be other new games that you had no idea about before, playing in the old and well-known ones. time-tested casinos. Here, it seems to me that the most reasonable approach is to occasionally try to play in a new casino with small deposits. It may well turn out that you will like it.

I also don't find anything wrong in trying a new casino platform as long as someone isn't making very large deposits and is just making the minimal deposit only to try out the platform or the games it offers, one might get good bonuses and knows, maybe even complete the wagering requirement somehow and be able to withdraw some money from that new casino. Such things might not happen very often but they do happen sometimes and there is nothing wrong in trying your luck.

However, I'm not a fan of doing KYC verification at a brand new casino platform, and if a casino asks you to complete your KYC verification at the initial stage, maybe you should not do that because we never really know what happens after some time since a lot of platform also turn out to be scams later.

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Quote from: Awaklara on September 23, 2023, 12:32:42 PM

Quote from: Beparanf on September 23, 2023, 12:10:03 PM

Quote from: Mate2237 on September 23, 2023, 11:48:40 AM

If a casino is not using kyc, question arise, what will it used to identify the gambler when he wins big amount and if there is a dispute between them? Decentralized casino will might even give problem to the owner of the company because that is something that needs identification when there is dispute.

Why they need to identify the identity of the gambler once they win big if they don’t have KYC. Having no KYC means they accept the risk of not following the AML policy. It’s not a requirements to identify the winner identity in every huge win, only the AML requires the casino to require ID as reference just in case this winner commit violations.

I remember lots of user winning huge amount on crypto casino without requiring to submit ID. KYC is just become popular requirement of casino after license provider becomes strict due to the development on crypto regulations.

you are right, it also relates to the bad news we have heard in the past regarding crypto casinos being used as places for money laundering. This makes casinos tighten their regulations not only regarding KYC but also with the use of large funds entering or leaving the casino.

if a gambler never gets into trouble regarding his paperwork, I don't think the KYC procedures required after a big win will be a big hurdle. perhaps many gamblers are uncomfortable with this. Moreover, the possibility of document verification also takes time.

If the casino or sportsbook has their legit license, expect that part of their terms is about kyc verification of their players.
They may not require the document upon registration but you have to be ready in case they need it from you.
Nowadays, the game is changing as these gambling sites are mandated by the license where they applied from.
So before playing on any casino, a player should be responsible in checking the terms of the site itself.
As each site have their own terms, you can't expect as well that every site you visit will have the same set of terms.
Time is changing as we have seen, a lot of fraudsters are using the crypto market for their own gains.

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Quote from: Beparanf on September 23, 2023, 12:10:03 PM

I remember lots of user winning huge amount on crypto casino without requiring to submit ID. KYC is just become popular requirement of casino after license provider becomes strict due to the development on crypto regulations.

Those were the good old days when BTC and crypto in general weren't really popular due to which governments didn't really care about them due to which KYC was requested on rare occasions.

All of that has clearly changed for the worse now. Submit your KYC if you wish to receive your funds to put it in simple terms.

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Quote from: Beparanf on September 23, 2023, 12:10:03 PM

Quote from: Mate2237 on September 23, 2023, 11:48:40 AM

If a casino is not using kyc, question arise, what will it used to identify the gambler when he wins big amount and if there is a dispute between them? Decentralized casino will might even give problem to the owner of the company because that is something that needs identification when there is dispute.

Why they need to identify the identity of the gambler once they win big if they don’t have KYC. Having no KYC means they accept the risk of not following the AML policy. It’s not a requirements to identify the winner identity in every huge win, only the AML requires the casino to require ID as reference just in case this winner commit violations.

I remember lots of user winning huge amount on crypto casino without requiring to submit ID. KYC is just become popular requirement of casino after license provider becomes strict due to the development on crypto regulations.

you are right, it also relates to the bad news we have heard in the past regarding crypto casinos being used as places for money laundering. This makes casinos tighten their regulations not only regarding KYC but also with the use of large funds entering or leaving the casino.

if a gambler never gets into trouble regarding his paperwork, I don't think the KYC procedures required after a big win will be a big hurdle. perhaps many gamblers are uncomfortable with this. Moreover, the possibility of document verification also takes time.

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Quote from: Mate2237 on September 23, 2023, 11:48:40 AM

If a casino is not using kyc, question arise, what will it used to identify the gambler when he wins big amount and if there is a dispute between them? Decentralized casino will might even give problem to the owner of the company because that is something that needs identification when there is dispute.

Why they need to identify the identity of the gambler once they win big if they don’t have KYC. Having no KYC means they accept the risk of not following the AML policy. It’s not a requirements to identify the winner identity in every huge win, only the AML requires the casino to require ID as reference just in case this winner commit violations.

I remember lots of user winning huge amount on crypto casino without requiring to submit ID. KYC is just become popular requirement of casino after license provider becomes strict due to the development on crypto regulations.

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Quote from: Z390 on September 23, 2023, 09:34:58 AM

Every freaking casino have the right to one day ask you for KYC verification, that's what many people don't know, if you are using any one casino that didn't ask for KYC when you want to withdraw, do not rely on them, they created their own ToS and they can adjust it if they want, accept this fact.

If you want to keep gambling with no KYC then you will one day have to stop gambling, because there is no way a casino can function properly without a KYC requirement, it's against the law to run a casino without KYC because it's a proof on it's own that money laundering behaviors can be going on within the casino itself, in this case, not even the customers and owners are safe.

I doubt a decentralized casino is possible because of this, it's for the best because if casinos aren't regulated and functioning under the law many criminals will be able to move illegal funds easily and also do the unthinkable acts.

Exactly, all casinos use KYC, but some of them ask at the beginning, while some ask at the end. Some ask directly while some ask indirectly. Even the ones that say they are not asking for KYC yet ask one thing to the other to identify the gambler for withdrawal so with that I strongly agree with you that everyone casino ask KYC at the end. And any casino that is not asking for KYC though it might be a good one but not really trusted because most of them are there to make exit scam.

If a casino is not using kyc, question arise, what will it used to identify the gambler when he wins big amount and if there is a dispute between them? Decentralized casino will might even give problem to the owner of the company because that is something that needs identification when there is dispute.

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Quote from: slapper on September 23, 2023, 10:29:30 AM

Quote from: delfastTions on September 23, 2023, 03:33:04 AM

Quote from: Haunebu on September 22, 2023, 08:17:16 AM

Quote from: piebeyb on September 22, 2023, 08:02:08 AM

so it's best to avoid new and small casinos, make sure you gamble only at large casinos and have a good reputation on this forum. Wink

This is bad advice. All new and small casinos aren't shady and the same logic applies to popular casinos too. Don't forget that even big and popular sites were small and new initially.

I think I agree with the thesis that it is wrong to completely ignore new casinos on the gambling market.
Simply because in life quite often you want to see something new for yourself, and in new casinos, in addition to interesting interfaces, which also entertains, there may be other new games that you had no idea about before, playing in the old and well-known ones. time-tested casinos. Here, it seems to me that the most reasonable approach is to occasionally try to play in a new casino with small deposits. It may well turn out that you will like it.

Ignoring new casinos? Absurd. Why? You're putting on blinders. Do you really want to be that person who is trapped in the past and misses out on potential innovations? Sure, there's comfort in the familiar. But playing at outdated casinos is similar to not getting a new computer because your old one "still works."

Loyalty has its merits. But diversity? That adds variety to a life. New casinos are stepping up their game with cutting-edge user interfaces, unheard-of games, and novel experiences. The key? Without jumping in with both feet, dip your toes in. Make a small deposit, test the waters. Who knows, you might find your next favorite casino. But always DYOR. Give them a chance, but don't take any risks.

He just close his doors for new good casinos will exist because he is afraid of getting scammed by new players in the market. If he could just change his mindset for sure he can see that not all new casino is really bad there are just new to create a thread or a new player in the market will exist and compete each other. We maybe need to see on how they create a marker for their casino since if they run a multiple campaign this mean they have funds abd that is so important.

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Quote from: delfastTions on September 23, 2023, 03:33:04 AM

Quote from: Haunebu on September 22, 2023, 08:17:16 AM

Quote from: piebeyb on September 22, 2023, 08:02:08 AM

so it's best to avoid new and small casinos, make sure you gamble only at large casinos and have a good reputation on this forum. Wink

This is bad advice. All new and small casinos aren't shady and the same logic applies to popular casinos too. Don't forget that even big and popular sites were small and new initially.

I think I agree with the thesis that it is wrong to completely ignore new casinos on the gambling market.
Simply because in life quite often you want to see something new for yourself, and in new casinos, in addition to interesting interfaces, which also entertains, there may be other new games that you had no idea about before, playing in the old and well-known ones. time-tested casinos. Here, it seems to me that the most reasonable approach is to occasionally try to play in a new casino with small deposits. It may well turn out that you will like it.

Ignoring new casinos? Absurd. Why? You're putting on blinders. Do you really want to be that person who is trapped in the past and misses out on potential innovations? Sure, there's comfort in the familiar. But playing at outdated casinos is similar to not getting a new computer because your old one "still works."

Loyalty has its merits. But diversity? That adds variety to a life. New casinos are stepping up their game with cutting-edge user interfaces, unheard-of games, and novel experiences. The key? Without jumping in with both feet, dip your toes in. Make a small deposit, test the waters. Who knows, you might find your next favorite casino. But always DYOR. Give them a chance, but don't take any risks.

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Quote from: Drawesome on September 18, 2023, 05:54:00 PM

Just a warning in case it prevents someone from falling into this shitty scheme.

I was checking a crypto-casino with very easy entry just asking email and country, and allowed deposits in the main cryptos. I didn't need to deposit anything to realize that to withdraw funds they did require a complete KYC with ID, etc. I also tested registering from a banned country and even indicating it on the form, and it does not prevent you from making a deposit.

Yeah, pretty fair: give me 2K with no questions, but you won't be able to get a penny without fulfilling the rules. I'ts a regulatory joke. Even is a gambler trap: " I'll try to make it a big ammount so it's worth it to do the paperwork, then you loose. Unacceptable

It's easy to avoid this kind of casino, only trust casinos that have an announcement here because all casinos that have an announcement here are investigated, checked for errors and bugs, and FAQ.

This casino that you've registered and deposited where you encountered an issue does not have an announcement here and that's because they are afraid to be exposed and lose their reputation, there are so many countries outside of this forum so we need to dig deep before depositing and playing.

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Quote from: panjul07 on September 23, 2023, 09:18:28 AM

There are still many crypto casinos that are not asking KYC before deposit but these casinos has the term that they reserve the right to ask it anytime.

I find this topic interesting because as the OP states, casinos only ask for KYC when you are trying to withdraw. If the player loses, it is suddenly not important and KYC will not be requested.

It seems as if KYC is never important up until the point the player has won and the casino faces the financial burden of paying out.

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Every freaking casino have the right to one day ask you for KYC verification, that's what many people don't know, if you are using any one casino that didn't ask for KYC when you want to withdraw, do not rely on them, they created their own ToS and they can adjust it if they want, accept this fact.

If you want to keep gambling with no KYC then you will one day have to stop gambling, because there is no way a casino can function properly without a KYC requirement, it's against the law to run a casino without KYC because it's a proof on it's own that money laundering behaviors can be going on within the casino itself, in this case, not even the customers and owners are safe.

I doubt a decentralized casino is possible because of this, it's for the best because if casinos aren't regulated and functioning under the law many criminals will be able to move illegal funds easily and also do the unthinkable acts.

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Quote from: Mate2237 on September 18, 2023, 07:19:55 PM

That where I don't like, if they are not asking for KYC at the point of registration then they should not ask again in the withdrawal time. Because asking at the registration time is much more better than the withdrawal because at the registration time everything is very simple the customer only provide the basic documents and start using the account but when they ask it in the withdrawal time, I don't probably they don't want you to withdraw your personal money, the documents they will ask will be more and if any of the documents is not clear or missing they ban your account but this can not happened in the registration time.

There are still many crypto casinos that are not asking KYC before deposit but these casinos has the term that they reserve the right to ask it anytime.
Every casino has their own term for this KYC thing, players need to read and understand it first before making the first deposit.
Most of the time, complaint comes because of players failed to read and understand the terms.
All in all, once players registered an account means that they are agreeing with all the terms including the KYC's terms.
No matter the KYC is mandatory or not, when it will be asked, etc.

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For everyone using a gambling platform that is kyc supported website they should know that kyc will always be demanded at any point in time as log as they did not specify openly that they do not require kyc on their platform, to me i see the gambling platforms being linient enough while waiting till you've got to the stage of making withdrawal before they make such demand from you, which has to be that every gambler should always be well prepared for them in presenting this whenever they make it request.

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Quote from: Haunebu on September 22, 2023, 08:17:16 AM

Quote from: Mr. Magkaisa on September 22, 2023, 07:42:09 AM

Then, considering that there is no KYC during registration, it becomes absurd that there is one when it comes to withdrawal.

This is common practice actually in the crypto gambling world these days. Even big sites like Stake require KYC for deposits and withdrawals though they don't enforce it during the registration stage.

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As long as they require it for deposits, it is not so bad (well, they already got some personal info as email address and IP when you registered, but you don't get your money trapped if you didn't want to share your ID card or Passport). It has happened a few times to me: deposit some coins somewhere, swap or trade, and before withdrawing: Wait! you have to fulfil KYC Angry

Now I always read the ToS before using services like these, but most people don't, and I suppose that there is a big business here: all these coins from people who value their privacy more than the value of the coins (not to talk about stained money in the most nefarious cases when criminals deposited funds and got trapped) must be worth millions. But it is an unethical practice, to say the least.

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Quote from: Haunebu on September 22, 2023, 08:17:16 AM

Quote from: piebeyb on September 22, 2023, 08:02:08 AM

so it's best to avoid new and small casinos, make sure you gamble only at large casinos and have a good reputation on this forum. Wink

This is bad advice. All new and small casinos aren't shady and the same logic applies to popular casinos too. Don't forget that even big and popular sites were small and new initially.

I think I agree with the thesis that it is wrong to completely ignore new casinos on the gambling market.
Simply because in life quite often you want to see something new for yourself, and in new casinos, in addition to interesting interfaces, which also entertains, there may be other new games that you had no idea about before, playing in the old and well-known ones. time-tested casinos. Here, it seems to me that the most reasonable approach is to occasionally try to play in a new casino with small deposits. It may well turn out that you will like it.

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Quote from: Mr. Magkaisa on September 22, 2023, 07:42:09 AM

Then, considering that there is no KYC during registration, it becomes absurd that there is one when it comes to withdrawal.

This is common practice actually in the crypto gambling world these days. Even big sites like Stake require KYC for deposits and withdrawals though they don't enforce it during the registration stage.

Quote from: piebeyb on September 22, 2023, 08:02:08 AM

so it's best to avoid new and small casinos, make sure you gamble only at large casinos and have a good reputation on this forum. Wink

This is bad advice. All new and small casinos aren't shady and the same logic applies to popular casinos too. Don't forget that even big and popular sites were small and new initially.

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