Topic: Casinos not asking for KYC to register and play, but do require it to withdraw - page 69. (Read 12762 times)

Actually there is nothing like that because what we know is that even though many big casinos have KYC regulations, they do not emphasize new users to complete their KYC when registering, usually for users who have to complete KYC if they are detected committing fraud or strange transactions, for example the system detecting anything suspicious, the casino will usually ask the user to complete KYC before making a withdrawal.

Even though it is regulated by the government, it is actually not as strict as people imagine, in fact many gamblers withdraw thousands of dollars without KYC when they play in big casinos, but don't know that in small casinos, if they do that, be careful, it could be a fraudulent act by the casino. taking users' money which has been common lately under the pretext of users cheating. so it's best to avoid new and small casinos, make sure you gamble only at large casinos and have a good reputation on this forum. 

Indeed, many gamblers don't care about reading the terms of service due to some reasons. Some are attracted by enticing bonuses and do not pay any attention to the ToS.  Another problem is that many gamblers don't check the email they used to register with the casino. Sometimes there might be a change of the ToS and this update will be sent to the email. If you don't check your email constantly you might not have access to the information. This might lead to withdrawal or other issues.  It is also good to revisit the terms of service periodically because I have heard cases where casinos change the terms without notifying their customers.

Banks will never reject a deposit into a frozen or faulty account but they will never allow you to withdraw without sorting out the bank account. That's almost the same situation in most casinos, they don't have a problem when you deposit but you will be scrutinized just to withdraw. Not always advertising the rigorous process of withdrawal is also a marketing strategy.

      -   It appears that this is the first time I have seen that passing KYC upon registration is required, because, to my knowledge, we will see and know it in the toss. Then, considering that there is no KYC during registration, it becomes absurd that there is one when it comes to withdrawal.

Another issue is that the KYC is frequently only relevant to casinos that are regulated by a government if the country is created and has met the government's standards. This is common in the cryptocurrency industry.

Yeah!  Unfortunately, globalization has indeed greatly contributed to the centralization of control and real power in general throughout the world.  I don’t even know if there is at least one or two leaders of a country in the world now who are truly completely independent of such a world government.  Perhaps only Iran and North Korea somehow meet the criteria for complete independence.  And even that is quite conditional because it also partially depends on the supply of goods from neighboring countries.  For the implementation of the Bitcoin project to the fullest, there is currently not a single suitable country.  Maybe only El Salvador showed at least some courage due to the courage of its young and active president Bukele. 
But even in El Salvador, a complete rejection of $ is not possible now.

In most of the casinos, kyc verification process doesn't always display on there dashboard of registration it moves step step after the registration you move to another step from there till you get to the last stage that requires the kyc verification but perhaps you only finish the registration and rush into deposit without doing a thorough check about there verification process or if your will be allowed to make withdrawal without kyc those are things you were supposed to check before depositing because almost all the casinos that enable kyc will always allow you to deposit after registration but can't allow you to make withdraw without verifying your kyc but that doesn't mean they're scam but that's just there policy, perhaps is always advisable after registration you go through the casinos to glance through there features before depositing.

Secondly we shouldn't judge a casinos using a banned country to no if they will accept the registration or not, of course they will accept it because the registration process only requires email and country perhaps the casino would have rejected the registration from a casino banned country if the registration had required phone number verification because for example in my country there was a time the use of Twitter was banned and when people try registering, at first step using email was successful but when they get to phone number verification they rejected it because of the restriction. So I'm not saying the casino you're referring to is a legit casino or not because I have no idea about the particular casino you're referring to but I only respond on the general perspective of casinos in times of kyc verification process.

As long as it's clearly written in the ToS and you are forced to accept it prior to being allowed to deposit it's fine to demand KYC. Most casinos have to do it to be licensed.
The problem starts when ToS is hidden and that rule is in fine print, hidden somewhere among dozen other rules and you're not even asked to read and accept, but can start gambling right after giving them your email and depositing some money. This should be handled on a case to case basis. Not all casinos are bad and want to cheat you, but some do.


Of course. The point is that some casinos don't require KYC at the beginning and then make it hard for users to pass when they have a decent amount of money to withdraw. I literally saw a casino quote their ToS that says they have 30 days to process your KYC, so imagine that you have $10k in crypto and the coin has just pumped. You want to withdraw and sell it, but have to wait a month until they clear you...
Not to mention that one casino demanded that a player's utility bill is translated to English by the company that issues it... Imagine how long that would take!

Well, it's the fact that we have to deal with. No matter how hard it is to provide the KYC requirements, we still need to comply with it to be able to transact and access all the features of a casino that we have to play with. There are still other alternatives if we want to. If we want to play with the casino of our choice freely then we must meet the requirements.
In our country, in case we're renting and we need to put our utility bills under our names, we usually ask for certificate of actual occupancy which is usually provided by the local government unit. If we're having some trouble with it then we can look for casinos that won't totally ask for KYC yet we should still check if they're legit.

Authorities are just extending their power reach. In an ideal world where the government actually cares for its people, wouldnt it be in everyone's best interest to let anonymous payments slide? At the end of the day, they want control, nothing more.

Think about it, they say its for our good, but is it really? If a small country does decide to preserve the anonymity of crypto, it would be a slap in the face for larger nations that bully smaller ones into submission. But these "brave" governments you speak of are practically extinct. Even if they exist, they're walking on eggshells, under the thumb of some global powerhouse.

I always find these rules to be awkwardly built to eliminate a percentage of players and allow the casinos to hold on to their funds.
How can you expect someone who gambles on a crypto casino to have a bank account? Maybe the reason they're using crypto is that they're promoting self-custody?

Utility bills are also a funny requirement that not all of us can meet, because when you rent an apartment, the landlord gets the bills in his name and pays them. When I lived like that I never saw a single bill, as the landlord lived in another town and had everything sent to his home address.

The bill and bank statement request has nothing to do with identifying you and all to do with trying to scam you. This should only be asked of players who are suspected of accessing the site from a restricted country.

There’s actually nothing wrong on what he said. Casino belongs to gambling industry which AML policy is strictly implemented by their licensor. It’s normal to expect KYC on casino with license since regulators will ask for it to them.

Meta is not a financial services so it's consumer has the right to demand about privacy. There's decentralized casino which offers no KYC. But it's really not possible to demand a no KYC feature on a licensed casino.

Which rock are you living under? Haven't you heard of the word called privacy and why it matters to so many people around the world? Big companies like Facebook(Meta) got screwed primarily because of privacy concerns.

This is why majority of the gamblers are reluctant to submit their KYC in any crypto gambling site regardless of its reputation. Improve your brainpower!

Well, I don't know if I should blame the people who are afraid to complete their KYC verification or not because on one way, they are not wrong if they are not comfortable sharing their personal identification with platforms either for privacy concerns or being afraid that their details and information might be used in illegal or unethical ways because a lot of platforms and websites sell customer data to other companies for money and those companies might do the same.

However, I also agree that with the time going forward and the events unfolding every now and then, it's pretty obvious that we won't have any other choice than to complete our KYC verification with certain platforms if we want to use their services or we will simply not have anywhere to go for the same services.

It seems to me that fewer and fewer casinos that use payments only in cryptocurrencies ignore the requirements for the need to introduce KYC. 
And this, of course, is understandable simply because they are afraid of trouble from local authorities who require reports on who plays in the casino.  In my opinion, there are fewer and fewer countries and jurisdictions that still allow complete anonymity in payments using cryptocurrencies.  But the vector of combating such anonymity of cryptocurrency payments has been launched for many years and, I think, only countries that are very independent from external influence can resist this. 

Moreover, both the governments and heads of these countries must be brave and independent people.  And there are very few such countries in the world.  But such countries still have a chance to preserve the uniqueness of cryptocurrencies as a tool for anonymous financial transactions, although of course these are rather fantasies far from reality.  But theoretically, a country with a population of about a million or several million people could use such mutual payment systems.  The population would only benefit from this and would be content.  Unfortunately, the government here needs to think strategically based on the interests of the population of this country itself, and with such wise rulers and presidents there is now a big problem in the world. 
Because there are practically none.   

Therefore, it is their own fault because they do not read the casino's policies, terms and conditions before they register, so they get into trouble after gambling at the casino. This will continue to happen over and over again if they still don't want to realize their mistake and start reading the rules. If they already know the rules and it turns out there is a requirement to carry out KYC when they want to withdraw their money, that will be their choice, whether they want to continue registering or look for another casino. If they want to continue registering at the casino, they must be ready if the casino asks them to do KYC. But before they do that, they have to make sure that the casino is trustworthy because we will do KYC on the casino. If everything is certain, we register and deposit some money to gamble.

stay away from this gambling site mate, this is cheating, on all gambling sites there is no KYC for making deposits lol, believe me, when you one day will withdraw your funds or your winnings, they will make it difficult, it's very good that you read the TOS first because usually people are quite lazy about reading them and in the end, they get stuck when they want to make a withdrawal.  In this forum we have many online casinos that are proven to be very honest, open, trustworthy and have been reviewed by trusted members, while the online gambling sites out there only have fake reviews.

Same way you bank account will stop working if your documents used expired and you haven't replaced or renew it,  but then also we have to learn a very important lesson from this,  which is that,  but not allowing you not to be able to carry out any activities on the exchange due to expiration of your driver license is a show of the exchange legitimacy and authenticity because if the allow you to deposit and your money get stocked in there,  it will be a different situation altogether and any platform that allows for such free access is likely to end up scaming at the end.

Because that shows that they never care about the security of the user account and that their concern about is the deposit they want to receive.

Just because a casino asks for KYC as soon as you are making your first withdrawal that does not make it a scam. In fact, from my experience that's how most casinos that require KYC operate. They initially let you register and deposit up to a certain limit or until you make your first withdrawal, after which you are required to complete the KYC.

In most cases, you would have been required to complete a KYC anyway at some point while playing at that casino, and it's not like they only ask it to people who are requesting a withdrawal. I am referring to casinos in general, not talking here about the casino that was mentioned in OP. All of this should be mentioned in their T&C, so make sure you read it carefully before registering and making a deposit.

You can not complain when it is stated clearly in their TOS. Every casino requires KYC because of some law put on them by the government where they are located. But I think the problem here is that they ask for KYC only before withdrawals and not before deposits. If they are serious about their security concerns, they should ask for KYC before deposits and not when you are trying to make a withdrawal.

Seems fishy but who knows what kind of security measurements they are taking for them to ask for KYC on withdraw? If you feel like they are not legit and could turn out to be a scam, then there are other reputable gambling platforms that you can choose from. Always choose one that is here for a long time and will stay in the future too.

Generally, and also in this case... it's useless blame casino or operator because rules allow them to have these kinds of policies.
The same applies also with FIAT casino or bookmaker. I think that the only solution is always... be ready to complete KYC!
Of course avoid betting from a banned country and use VPN etc etc...

Before I didn't read the Tos, for me it was like accepting a story where they didn't say such important things, I didn't give it importance, and because I saw that there were many things and well, I'm lazy if I can read that, I'm one of those who likes it accept things and play, but doing so now is a danger because you don't know what you are accepted and a casino can put all its rules, the ones we don't like in there and once we accept those things we have to comply with them, a casino that having the KYC is something that is normal, it is bad but it is already mandatory for everything, that is why it is important to read the Tos because we do not know what we are getting into.