[CHESS] FIDE Candidates Chess Tournament 2022 - page 5.

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Quote from: qwertyup23 on April 29, 2023, 05:28:33 PM

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Regardless of the winner, I would say that this is the most exciting and gut-wrenching WCC match so far. I am just happy that I got to witness a back-and-forth win between these two (2) players in classical format.

You probably know little about other painful matches, for example Karpov - Kasparov Wink

Well, unfortunately what I expected happened (I'm a pessimist) - Din won.
My congratulations, but I would say that this victory is overshadowed by the circumstances of how he got to this tournament.
Well, in the future, if he continues to perform in tournaments as he did at Wijk aan Zee, he will be one of the weakest world champions in history.

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Yesterday Nepomniachtchi pissed me off so much that I didn't even have a comment. Having a won position, he was able to lose the game! Fucked up. It's good that today he drew - in fact, it would be quite logical if he lost again. He is often emotionally unstable and after one defeat can easily lose a second time. Hope he doesn't lose tomorrow. If this happens, we will see a tie-break.

Nepo indeed blundered in that final move where he pushed his pawn. He sacrificed three (3) pawns already and he worsen his position further with that move. The evaluation bar was swinging back and forth from Ding and Nepo's favour and it showed that they blitzed their moves on the final 20-30 minutes of the game.

It was definitely heartbreaking to see Nepo crumble when he made his last move. When he realized that he blundered, he spent the last 20 minutes thinking on how to proceed with the press conference especially when he deals with some weird questions asked by the reporters.

If tomorrow there is a draw and there is a tie-break, what are your predictions? It seems to me that Nepomniachtchi should be better in a game with shortened time control. If I'm not mistaken, Din had less of that kind of game practice in the post-COVID era. On the other hand, Nepomniachtchi is more emotional and this can work against him.

In game 14, it was a dead-draw between the two (2) players. Though Ding tried to at least trick Nepo in the opening, the latter held up his defense well and Ding managed to create a stronghold on the endgame where he defended all of the threats that were on the board.

I do agree with you that Nepo will have the advantage in blitz due to its nature where there is little time. Nepo has better time control in this kind of format which puts him in a great advantage and position. We all know that Ding has a relatively harder time managing his clock and this may be a challenge for him.

Regardless of the winner, I would say that this is the most exciting and gut-wrenching WCC match so far. I am just happy that I got to witness a back-and-forth win between these two (2) players in classical format.

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Yesterday Nepomniachtchi pissed me off so much that I didn't even have a comment. Having a won position, he was able to lose the game! Fucked up. It's good that today he drew - in fact, it would be quite logical if he lost again. He is often emotionally unstable and after one defeat can easily lose a second time. Hope he doesn't lose tomorrow. If this happens, we will see a tie-break.

Nepo indeed blundered in that final move where he pushed his pawn. He sacrificed three (3) pawns already and he worsen his position further with that move. The evaluation bar was swinging back and forth from Ding and Nepo's favour and it showed that they blitzed their moves on the final 20-30 minutes of the game.

It was definitely heartbreaking to see Nepo crumble when he made his last move. When he realized that he blundered, he spent the last 20 minutes thinking on how to proceed with the press conference especially when he deals with some weird questions asked by the reporters.

If tomorrow there is a draw and there is a tie-break, what are your predictions? It seems to me that Nepomniachtchi should be better in a game with shortened time control. If I'm not mistaken, Din had less of that kind of game practice in the post-COVID era. On the other hand, Nepomniachtchi is more emotional and this can work against him.

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Another draw, the third in a row (unexpected for this match, isn't it?) and Nepomniachtchi's chances are getting higher with each game. There are 3 games left (although two games for Nepomniachtchi will be played as black) and in order to become a champion it is enough for Nepomniachtchi to score 1.5 points in these games. I think that Din will have to take risks and in one of the games when he plays white we will see sharp positions that will be risky for white as well.

Yesterday Nepomniachtchi pissed me off so much that I didn't even have a comment. Having a won position, he was able to lose the game! Fucked up. It's good that today he drew - in fact, it would be quite logical if he lost again. He is often emotionally unstable and after one defeat can easily lose a second time. Hope he doesn't lose tomorrow. If this happens, we will see a tie-break.

Nepo indeed blundered in that final move where he pushed his pawn. He sacrificed three (3) pawns already and he worsen his position further with that move. The evaluation bar was swinging back and forth from Ding and Nepo's favour and it showed that they blitzed their moves on the final 20-30 minutes of the game.

It was definitely heartbreaking to see Nepo crumble when he made his last move. When he realized that he blundered, he spent the last 20 minutes thinking on how to proceed with the press conference especially when he deals with some weird questions asked by the reporters.

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Quote from: KTChampions on April 24, 2023, 11:42:29 AM

Another draw, the third in a row (unexpected for this match, isn't it?) and Nepomniachtchi's chances are getting higher with each game. There are 3 games left (although two games for Nepomniachtchi will be played as black) and in order to become a champion it is enough for Nepomniachtchi to score 1.5 points in these games. I think that Din will have to take risks and in one of the games when he plays white we will see sharp positions that will be risky for white as well.

Yesterday Nepomniachtchi pissed me off so much that I didn't even have a comment. Having a won position, he was able to lose the game! Fucked up. It's good that today he drew - in fact, it would be quite logical if he lost again. He is often emotionally unstable and after one defeat can easily lose a second time. Hope he doesn't lose tomorrow. If this happens, we will see a tie-break.

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Another draw, the third in a row (unexpected for this match, isn't it?) and Nepomniachtchi's chances are getting higher with each game. There are 3 games left (although two games for Nepomniachtchi will be played as black) and in order to become a champion it is enough for Nepomniachtchi to score 1.5 points in these games. I think that Din will have to take risks and in one of the games when he plays white we will see sharp positions that will be risky for white as well.

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Carlson game was unique in the Chess Championship matches. Carlson should be self motivated to play many games in the short period. Because while comparing to this strategy, he need to improve his own strategy to do such things. As Carlson said the strong chess player will play the game for the longer period. Nepomniachtchi game also the unique and with the draw game, with 1 points he able to move to the Final. His game against Ding, Liren was unexpected one. Because Ding play like out of match, Nepomniachtchi doesn’t exactly expect the game of draw. Ding had took the power piece of the Nepomniachtchi in the Game 10 of World Championship. Every game Is the important World Chess Championship in the hounds. Game will be held on 24 April,2023. So we have a chance to see the match with Ding and Nepomniachtchi

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Quote from: Polkeins on April 21, 2023, 01:11:26 AM

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You say some things from the fantasy world. For example, Carlsen did not win the match for the chess crown (which is currently underway) although he could have.
You can talk as much as you like about the past, about past achievements, about “what would happen if”, but now two strongest chess players are playing in the match and Carlsen is weaker than both of them in terms of fighting for the chess crown.

In the meantime, Nepomniachtchi traded queens and thus turned an extremely sharp position into a draw. So the game ended - which is clearly in favor of Nepomniachtchi, who retains the lead.

Well, I agree that there is a bit of snobbery in Carlsen's decision. Probably need to retire from chess altogether if you're so tired of it all, but so far there's no stronger player than Magnus in terms of rating and essence. He's beaten everyone in his way and has held the chess crown for more than 10 years, but apparently no one lasts forever.

The eighth game between Nepomniyashchiy and Ding Lizhen was also excellent, although it seemed that Nepomniyashiy should have lost, but he tied the match with Ding Lizhen.

Carlsen has said many times that he has no motivation to participate in another championship match. No motivation/powers/skills - this means that he is weaker. What can be discussed here. This is not the first case in the history of chess, and always the one who left ceased to be a champion. Moreover, the debate about whether the current champion is the strongest chess player goes on for many periods in chess.

Today Nepomniachtchi kept the draw playing black and now there are 4 games left until the end of the match and the balance is clearly in his favor - he has a one-point advantage and has 2 games left to play with white and two with black.

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Carlsen has already won everything he can, and he's not interested in playing with those now competing for the chess crown.
I don't think either of them are good grandmasters, but I don't think any of them are worthy of the world champion title. All the more, it seems the scales are tilting in favor of Jan Nepomnyaschiy, and if he beats Ding Lizhen, Magnus Carlsen, who beat Nepomnyaschiy in the last game for the chess crown, is stronger than both of them anyway.

At one time Fabiano Caruano could compete well with Carlsen, but now he has given up a lot, and so far there are no worthy opponents to Carlsen.

You say some things from the fantasy world. For example, Carlsen did not win the match for the chess crown (which is currently underway) although he could have.
You can talk as much as you like about the past, about past achievements, about “what would happen if”, but now two strongest chess players are playing in the match and Carlsen is weaker than both of them in terms of fighting for the chess crown.

In the meantime, Nepomniachtchi traded queens and thus turned an extremely sharp position into a draw. So the game ended - which is clearly in favor of Nepomniachtchi, who retains the lead.

Well, I agree that there is a bit of snobbery in Carlsen's decision. Probably need to retire from chess altogether if you're so tired of it all, but so far there's no stronger player than Magnus in terms of rating and essence. He's beaten everyone in his way and has held the chess crown for more than 10 years, but apparently no one lasts forever.

The eighth game between Nepomniyashchiy and Ding Lizhen was also excellent, although it seemed that Nepomniyashiy should have lost, but he tied the match with Ding Lizhen.

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Quote from: Polkeins on April 20, 2023, 08:17:06 AM

Carlsen has already won everything he can, and he's not interested in playing with those now competing for the chess crown.
I don't think either of them are good grandmasters, but I don't think any of them are worthy of the world champion title. All the more, it seems the scales are tilting in favor of Jan Nepomnyaschiy, and if he beats Ding Lizhen, Magnus Carlsen, who beat Nepomnyaschiy in the last game for the chess crown, is stronger than both of them anyway.

At one time Fabiano Caruano could compete well with Carlsen, but now he has given up a lot, and so far there are no worthy opponents to Carlsen.

You say some things from the fantasy world. For example, Carlsen did not win the match for the chess crown (which is currently underway) although he could have.
You can talk as much as you like about the past, about past achievements, about “what would happen if”, but now two strongest chess players are playing in the match and Carlsen is weaker than both of them in terms of fighting for the chess crown.

In the meantime, Nepomniachtchi traded queens and thus turned an extremely sharp position into a draw. So the game ended - which is clearly in favor of Nepomniachtchi, who retains the lead.

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The world championship is officially underway, but it's hard to take it very seriously. It's like organizing a World Cup without France and without Brazil. Because this year at the world chess championship Magnus Carlsen is missing, who himself did not feel like participating. The cause is not entirely known to me, but it seems that he no longer has any motivation to play another match because he would find the opposition too low. Somewhere understandable, but how are you going to tackle that problem? You could also see it as an achievement in itself and also as a challenge to continue to maintain this level that he is now called. And these players are ranked 2nd and 3rd in the world, right? Those aren't cookie cutters.

The ambition seems to be gone at Carlsen. But that incident with Hans Niemann could also have something to do with it. I'm not saying it is, but it could be. Since that incident, Carlsen has emphatically indicated that he no longer finds playing a World Cup match interesting. He would only be interested in a World Cup match if his opponent would be Firouzja. Understandable, because that is perhaps the greatest talent, but can you demand that kind of thing as a world champion? In advance it is actually an exaggerated luxury that as a champion you only have to play the final, we don't see that tournament formula coming back in any other sport.

Carlsen has already won everything he can, and he's not interested in playing with those now competing for the chess crown.
I don't think either of them are good grandmasters, but I don't think any of them are worthy of the world champion title. All the more, it seems the scales are tilting in favor of Jan Nepomnyaschiy, and if he beats Ding Lizhen, Magnus Carlsen, who beat Nepomnyaschiy in the last game for the chess crown, is stronger than both of them anyway.

At one time Fabiano Caruano could compete well with Carlsen, but now he has given up a lot, and so far there are no worthy opponents to Carlsen.

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Quote from: qwertyup23 on April 19, 2023, 06:27:58 PM

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Carlsen may be number 1 in the rankings, in other tournaments, etc., but since he cannot/does not want to fight for the title of world chess champion, he is, by definition, weaker than those who want and can.

Nepomniachtchi won again in the 7th game of the match and took the lead again. Phenomenal performance. Very strange behavior from Ding Liren who managed to get into a severe time trouble, although this is classical chess and this happens less often than in other game formats.

I do think that Giri mentioned that Ding has a problem with managing his time mostly in classical formats. With the immense pressure from the game, the time got to him which ultimately led to his defeat. Though I was very surprised to see a French opening being executed in a WCC.

I hope that game 8 brings another excitement battle from these two (2) players. Regardless of the victor, I do think that they both deserve the title of WCC and I do think that we may be able to see a conclusion of the battle if Nepo wins today's game.

Ding still has problems with time management today - he thought about the 17th move for more than 30 minutes. This is very good for Nepomniachtchi, who likes to think during the opponent's turn and plays very quickly. Now the position on the board is very difficult - Black has a bishop less, but has three passed pawns. I hope Nepomniachtchi will be able to repulse the attack and then most likely he will win.

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Carlsen is the number 1 in the world, but Ding Liren and Ian Nepominachi are also very good players. If I'm not mistaken, those are the numbers 2 and 3 of the world ranking, so they can definitely decide in their favor in a confrontation with Carlsen. What is striking so far is that few draws have been played. Only 1 time and both managed to win 2x and then of course also lose 2x. Then the question is who can take it now. I think the game can go either way and we don't have a favorite for this game. But in chess, even a small mistake can mean a disastrous defeat. Also at this level of the World Cup.

Carlsen may be number 1 in the rankings, in other tournaments, etc., but since he cannot/does not want to fight for the title of world chess champion, he is, by definition, weaker than those who want and can.

Nepomniachtchi won again in the 7th game of the match and took the lead again. Phenomenal performance. Very strange behavior from Ding Liren who managed to get into a severe time trouble, although this is classical chess and this happens less often than in other game formats.

I do think that Giri mentioned that Ding has a problem with managing his time mostly in classical formats. With the immense pressure from the game, the time got to him which ultimately led to his defeat. Though I was very surprised to see a French opening being executed in a WCC.

I hope that game 8 brings another excitement battle from these two (2) players. Regardless of the victor, I do think that they both deserve the title of WCC and I do think that we may be able to see a conclusion of the battle if Nepo wins today's game.

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Quote from: safari88 on April 16, 2023, 12:28:40 PM

Carlsen is the number 1 in the world, but Ding Liren and Ian Nepominachi are also very good players. If I'm not mistaken, those are the numbers 2 and 3 of the world ranking, so they can definitely decide in their favor in a confrontation with Carlsen. What is striking so far is that few draws have been played. Only 1 time and both managed to win 2x and then of course also lose 2x. Then the question is who can take it now. I think the game can go either way and we don't have a favorite for this game. But in chess, even a small mistake can mean a disastrous defeat. Also at this level of the World Cup.

Carlsen may be number 1 in the rankings, in other tournaments, etc., but since he cannot/does not want to fight for the title of world chess champion, he is, by definition, weaker than those who want and can.

Nepomniachtchi won again in the 7th game of the match and took the lead again. Phenomenal performance. Very strange behavior from Ding Liren who managed to get into a severe time trouble, although this is classical chess and this happens less often than in other game formats.

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Carlsen is the number 1 in the world, but Ding Liren and Ian Nepominachi are also very good players. If I'm not mistaken, those are the numbers 2 and 3 of the world ranking, so they can definitely decide in their favor in a confrontation with Carlsen. What is striking so far is that few draws have been played. Only 1 time and both managed to win 2x and then of course also lose 2x. Then the question is who can take it now. I think the game can go either way and we don't have a favorite for this game. But in chess, even a small mistake can mean a disastrous defeat. Also at this level of the World Cup.

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Quote from: yayayo on April 16, 2023, 10:34:40 AM

It is a show game as several top players have already indicated. Organizing a World Cup without the best player in the world and perhaps the best chess player of all time. Can you still take a title seriously? The exact reason for Carlsen also seems to be unknown as to why he doesn't want to play a game. In December he also became world champion in speed chess and rapid chess. So he is undisputedly the best player at the moment. I especially see Firouzja as a potential world champion, both play a lot of blitz games against each other online with varying outcomes.

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Carlsen is someone who really likes the game of chess. He is also the very best, and at certain tournaments you can still collect a lot of money as a world champion. Prices are in stark contrast to other individual sports, but there are also sports that are less paid of course. Carlsen may have wanted to make some kind of statement to FIDE (world chess federation) that he disagrees with the current tournament format. Carlsen himself thinks it is much more fun and better to play an entire tournament, even if you are the reigning world champion.

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It is a show game as several top players have already indicated. Organizing a World Cup without the best player in the world and perhaps the best chess player of all time. Can you still take a title seriously? The exact reason for Carlsen also seems to be unknown as to why he doesn't want to play a game. In December he also became world champion in speed chess and rapid chess. So he is undisputedly the best player at the moment. I especially see Firouzja as a potential world champion, both play a lot of blitz games against each other online with varying outcomes.

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Quote from: qwertyup23 on April 16, 2023, 01:54:40 AM

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He cheated not in this. FIDE has certain criteria according to which a chess player must have at least 30 classical games for a certain period (a little less than a year), otherwise he is not allowed to the tournament. Ding cheated and in just a month and made himself statistics in dummy intra-Chinese tournaments to meet this criterion. This is an obvious scam and I do not see what can be discussed here.

In choosing for the candidates, FIDE established a criteria in order to choose players that can and will participate in the tournament for the WC Championship. You already said it:

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a player must have at least 30 classical games for a certain period (a little less than a year)

-in which Ding was able to achieve in the time frame given by FIDE. Though you argued that he cheated since he accomplished this within less than a month, then FIDE should have called this and prohibited him from participating in this event and mentioned that such practice is PROHIBITED.

Again, alleging that Ding cheated just because he was able to complete 30 classical games in a month is just outrageous. If there was a problem with it, then FIDE should have looked into it, in which they did not. Perhaps this is not cheating perse but a loophole that Ding was able to capitalize on that FIDE had no problem with.

I wonder what can be outrageous about the facts? He participated in fake tournaments and the fact that FIDE did not take any steps to punish it does not change anything. I hope you don't need special instructions or a chef's degree to not eat shit if it's served as a cake?
He seems to have played 28 games in 30 days, three tournaments (allegedly they were, no one has seen evidence) Grin

If you are ready to believe it and pretend that "everything is fine" then this is just disrespect for other chess players and good manners in general.

In the meantime, the next game turned out to be productive (what kind of clown indicators?) and, unfortunately, equality again and the chinese cheater has a chance for the crown Undecided

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Today Nepomniachtchi won again Grin

I am surprised by such performance in games - usually at the level of grandmasters, draws are almost 80-90 percent, but here out of 5 games 3 turned out to be productive.
By the way, why are you rooting for Ding? If judged strictly formally, he is a cheater and got into the Candidates Tournament in a fraudulent way. I think it would be very unpleasant if he became a world champion.

Ohh I think calling him a cheater is very unfair- he qualified for the candidates due to Karjakin's ban from participating in this year's candidate so under the rules, he is the "substitute" for his place. Still, Ding was around top 3 when the candidates happened and calling him a "cheater" is very uncalled for.

Well, the game ended with Nepo winning this match. I really like what Giri mentioned during the commentating of the game in which he explained that playing with the black pieces is more difficult than white. You have to prepare for all kinds of preparations while white may play any kind of preparation to his liking.

Furthermore, I do think that this year's WC match contained more wins compared to past WC matches that happened.

He cheated not in this. FIDE has certain criteria according to which a chess player must have at least 30 classical games for a certain period (a little less than a year), otherwise he is not allowed to the tournament. Ding cheated and in just a month and made himself statistics in dummy intra-Chinese tournaments to meet this criterion. This is an obvious scam and I do not see what can be discussed here.

In choosing for the candidates, FIDE established a criteria in order to choose players that can and will participate in the tournament for the WC Championship. You already said it:

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a player must have at least 30 classical games for a certain period (a little less than a year)

-in which Ding was able to achieve in the time frame given by FIDE. Though you argued that he cheated since he accomplished this within less than a month, then FIDE should have called this and prohibited him from participating in this event and mentioned that such practice is PROHIBITED.

Again, alleging that Ding cheated just because he was able to complete 30 classical games in a month is just outrageous. If there was a problem with it, then FIDE should have looked into it, in which they did not. Perhaps this is not cheating perse but a loophole that Ding was able to capitalize on that FIDE had no problem with.

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Today Nepomniachtchi won again Grin

I am surprised by such performance in games - usually at the level of grandmasters, draws are almost 80-90 percent, but here out of 5 games 3 turned out to be productive.
By the way, why are you rooting for Ding? If judged strictly formally, he is a cheater and got into the Candidates Tournament in a fraudulent way. I think it would be very unpleasant if he became a world champion.

Ohh I think calling him a cheater is very unfair- he qualified for the candidates due to Karjakin's ban from participating in this year's candidate so under the rules, he is the "substitute" for his place. Still, Ding was around top 3 when the candidates happened and calling him a "cheater" is very uncalled for.

Well, the game ended with Nepo winning this match. I really like what Giri mentioned during the commentating of the game in which he explained that playing with the black pieces is more difficult than white. You have to prepare for all kinds of preparations while white may play any kind of preparation to his liking.

Furthermore, I do think that this year's WC match contained more wins compared to past WC matches that happened.

He cheated not in this. FIDE has certain criteria according to which a chess player must have at least 30 classical games for a certain period (a little less than a year), otherwise he is not allowed to the tournament. Ding cheated and in just a month and made himself statistics in dummy intra-Chinese tournaments to meet this criterion. This is an obvious scam and I do not see what can be discussed here.

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