Topic: [CHESS] FIDE Candidates Chess Tournament 2022 - page 8. (Read 3215 times)
The 1st round of the Tata chess tournament is currently being played. Abdusattorov is still undivided at the top, but with black it seems that he cannot get further than a draw against Wesley So, which is not a bad performance either. Carlsen is currently one point behind, but still seems to have an advantage and can certainly play for a win. With that mindset, Carlsen would then be only half a point behind and everything is still open tomorrow. Giri has half a point less but seems to lose quite clearly today against compatriot van Foreest. In the event of a tie, there will be a tie break, in which Carlsen is the favorite for me.
Too bad Carlsen couldn't win today. This way he still remains 1 point behind the leader. In the event of a tie, a jump-off is played between the front runners. In theory, Carlsen could still do the tournament, he doesn't have a bad draw in itself. But the 2 losses in a row will probably cost him his head. He has recovered very well from those defeats. Here, with a rating of 2700, you can easily become last without winning a game. I think this is also the Wimbledon of chess, because it is so heavily occupied. there will also be a lot of prize money to be won.
I think Carlsen no longer has a chance, since Giri, who is in second place, has two easy games, and Abdusattorov has one easy game, but also one (tomorrow's) hard one - with black against So. But Abdussatorov has a whole point of advantage, so he has the right to make a mistake. Carlslen himself will play against the younger generation in the final two games.
Too bad Carlsen couldn't win today. This way he still remains 1 point behind the leader. In the event of a tie, a jump-off is played between the front runners. In theory, Carlsen could still do the tournament, he doesn't have a bad draw in itself. But the 2 losses in a row will probably cost him his head. He has recovered very well from those defeats. Here, with a rating of 2700, you can easily become last without winning a game. I think this is also the Wimbledon of chess, because it is so heavily occupied. there will also be a lot of prize money to be won.
It would be very indecent if the first place in such a prestigious tournament was taken by a chess player with two defeats (even if it was Carlsen himself). Still, I will assume that the first place will go to either Giri or Abdussatorov - at the moment they are playing very reliably and they have not a single defeat.
do you know how long we still have before the tournament ends?
is this one also on lichess or other place where we can keep up with the PGNs on table?
thanks
Today is a day off from the tournament. There are three gaming days left: 27, 28 and 29. If you want to watch the games online, then you should probably choose something on Twitch (I don’t know what language is your native) there are always a lot of streams from the pros (I always watch such since I don't have a high level of understanding of what's happening over the board and I need an announcer). I myself do not have time to watch classics online now (and in fact, few people have that much time and this is the main problem of this format).
yes, I thought you can probably find commented videos on youtube and so on
though video is not my favorite format due to the time it takes
would like to check the PGNs to see the lines and games and try to learn a bit by watching how they play
The field of participants has not grown closer together. Carlsen wins today with white to achieve absolutely nothing against So and most games ended in a draw. Giri couldn't break any pot against the leader with white either. It was the ultimate chance for Giri to become undivided at the top. Tournament win for Abdusattarov is getting closer this way. This seems to be one of the greatest talents of recent years. You can't compare him to Carlsen, but outside this tournament he also won the Rapid World Championship 2 years ago. The world's top was there at the time. I think we will expect a lot from him. 3 more rounds, a lot can still go wrong for him. Maybe the experience will break him down after all.
It would be very indecent if the first place in such a prestigious tournament was taken by a chess player with two defeats (even if it was Carlsen himself). Still, I will assume that the first place will go to either Giri or Abdussatorov - at the moment they are playing very reliably and they have not a single defeat.
do you know how long we still have before the tournament ends?
is this one also on lichess or other place where we can keep up with the PGNs on table?
thanks
Today is a day off from the tournament. There are three gaming days left: 27, 28 and 29. If you want to watch the games online, then you should probably choose something on Twitch (I don’t know what language is your native) there are always a lot of streams from the pros (I always watch such since I don't have a high level of understanding of what's happening over the board and I need an announcer). I myself do not have time to watch classics online now (and in fact, few people have that much time and this is the main problem of this format).
A nice win for Carlsen today, but he had to work hard for it. He still has some work to do, but it looks like he is now 1 point behind the leader. There are still 3 rounds to play, Carlsen is a player who could win all 3 games. I don't see Nodirbek and Giri doing that any time soon. Nodirbek was very lucky against Keymer yesterday. Keymer was able to secure the point in a rook endgame with a simple turn, but did not play well and it eventually ended in a draw. A stroke of luck for the Uzbek, but they also often say that you have to force luck in such matches.
It would be very indecent if the first place in such a prestigious tournament was taken by a chess player with two defeats (even if it was Carlsen himself). Still, I will assume that the first place will go to either Giri or Abdussatorov - at the moment they are playing very reliably and they have not a single defeat.
do you know how long we still have before the tournament ends?
is this one also on lichess or other place where we can keep up with the PGNs on table?
thanks
A nice win for Carlsen today, but he had to work hard for it. He still has some work to do, but it looks like he is now 1 point behind the leader. There are still 3 rounds to play, Carlsen is a player who could win all 3 games. I don't see Nodirbek and Giri doing that any time soon. Nodirbek was very lucky against Keymer yesterday. Keymer was able to secure the point in a rook endgame with a simple turn, but did not play well and it eventually ended in a draw. A stroke of luck for the Uzbek, but they also often say that you have to force luck in such matches.
It would be very indecent if the first place in such a prestigious tournament was taken by a chess player with two defeats (even if it was Carlsen himself). Still, I will assume that the first place will go to either Giri or Abdussatorov - at the moment they are playing very reliably and they have not a single defeat.
A nice win for Carlsen today, but he had to work hard for it. He still has some work to do, but it looks like he is now 1 point behind the leader. There are still 3 rounds to play, Carlsen is a player who could win all 3 games. I don't see Nodirbek and Giri doing that any time soon. Nodirbek was very lucky against Keymer yesterday. Keymer was able to secure the point in a rook endgame with a simple turn, but did not play well and it eventually ended in a draw. A stroke of luck for the Uzbek, but they also often say that you have to force luck in such matches.
I love how we care so much for an imaginary number
a bit like if the rating is all that is important
it is, don't take me wrong
but no need to be up only, it can come in weaves.
Humans love to push themselves beyond what is considered possible, this single quality has allowed humans to create everything around us and to go further than any other species on the planet, it is apparent Carlsen does not consider holding his world title a challenge at all, but if the highest achievement which can be reached on his discipline does not motivate him anymore then how can he keep playing chess at all? And it is probable he has chosen as a goal to reach a rating of 2900 to keep himself interested on chess.a bit like if the rating is all that is important
it is, don't take me wrong
but no need to be up only, it can come in weaves.
good point and I do agree that our desire to go beyond is amazing and the motor to create many good things (and some bad ones too)
life comes in weaves, maybe Carlsen just got tired of it after so many years, I have no idea about his personal thoughts and personal life.
each person is a galaxy of combinations.
I love how we care so much for an imaginary number
a bit like if the rating is all that is important
it is, don't take me wrong
but no need to be up only, it can come in weaves.
Humans love to push themselves beyond what is considered possible, this single quality has allowed humans to create everything around us and to go further than any other species on the planet, it is apparent Carlsen does not consider holding his world title a challenge at all, but if the highest achievement which can be reached on his discipline does not motivate him anymore then how can he keep playing chess at all? And it is probable he has chosen as a goal to reach a rating of 2900 to keep himself interested on chess. a bit like if the rating is all that is important
it is, don't take me wrong
but no need to be up only, it can come in weaves.
I love how we care so much for an imaginary number
a bit like if the rating is all that is important
it is, don't take me wrong
but no need to be up only, it can come in weaves.
a bit like if the rating is all that is important
it is, don't take me wrong
but no need to be up only, it can come in weaves.
Carlsen has now recovered with 2 victories in a row. Especially today's victory shows that we shouldn't write Carlsen off. Difference with the leader is 1.5 points. A considerable gap, but in this tournament 13 rounds are played, so we are only just over halfway. Carlsen is a player who can still score 5 out of 6 in the last 6 games once he gets going. But of course he is no longer the favorite for the title. Whether he will lose a lot of points will depend on the 2nd tournament half. I read that he has already won this tournament about 8 times, that is really a lot. Perhaps more than Kasparov ever before in this tournament. It's a pity that man has stopped playing chess.
Field of competitors is very strong. Carlsen may be back on track, but his current score is still way below his rating. He really needs to win more to make sure he doesn't lose more points for his rating. I also expected more from Ding Liren, one of the few players with a rating of 2800+. The way Caruana lost to Carlsen today is illustrative. It is a pity that Firouzja does not participate in this tournament, that was definitely a contender. Carlsen has said that he only wants to play a match for the world championship if he can play against Firouzja, he apparently does not find other opponents interesting enough. This is also evident from his punishment against Nepomniachi, which had become a battlefield for the Russian.
Carlsen has now recovered with 2 victories in a row. Especially today's victory shows that we shouldn't write Carlsen off. Difference with the leader is 1.5 points. A considerable gap, but in this tournament 13 rounds are played, so we are only just over halfway. Carlsen is a player who can still score 5 out of 6 in the last 6 games once he gets going. But of course he is no longer the favorite for the title. Whether he will lose a lot of points will depend on the 2nd tournament half. I read that he has already won this tournament about 8 times, that is really a lot. Perhaps more than Kasparov ever before in this tournament. It's a pity that man has stopped playing chess.
Carlsen won another game today. Player from Uzbekistan has won again and is now a full point ahead of the rest of the field. Wonder if Carlsen can bring back the tension a bit. With black he is vulnerable. I don't know if Carlsen's goal is to reach 2900. Perhaps it is not realistic to have that goal. Then he will have to get a big plus score at all tournaments. A bad tournament is actually disastrous. I have not followed the Challengers group, but that is also a few levels lower. Iran secretly now also has some strong chess players, although Firouzja recently switched countries?
With two defeats in a row against not the strongest chess players, Carlsen's rating will drop after this tournament, no matter how far he plays.
There are always many strong chess players and female chess players in Iran. They run away from there with impressive regularity - if you search on Google, someone is constantly running away from there because of scandals with the hijab and other religious nonsense.
Carlsen won another game today. Player from Uzbekistan has won again and is now a full point ahead of the rest of the field. Wonder if Carlsen can bring back the tension a bit. With black he is vulnerable. I don't know if Carlsen's goal is to reach 2900. Perhaps it is not realistic to have that goal. Then he will have to get a big plus score at all tournaments. A bad tournament is actually disastrous. I have not followed the Challengers group, but that is also a few levels lower. Iran secretly now also has some strong chess players, although Firouzja recently switched countries?
Considering that only two chess players currently have ratings above 2800 (one of which is Carlsen himself), the task of scoring 2900 looks unrealistic. Even when he announced this goal of his, some grandmasters said that it was impossible. Since then, it seems that Carlsen did not play better, but vice versa. I think that this task will be submitted to the next generation of players, including Firuja, Gukesh, Eregaysi, etc. simply due to inflation (albeit slow) rating.
2900 may be a rating that man will never reach. If he plays a bad tournament, he has to win 2 tournaments somewhere to compensate for the lost points. I think Kasparov had a rating of 2854 at his best ever. Carlsen once hit 2900. Maybe this whole Niemann thing has started to piss him off after all. That is something that is in the back of your mind and people everywhere naturally want to ask questions about it. It makes a difference that Niemann was not invited. Ding Liren is also a player above the 2800 rating, but at the moment he has not been able to show anything spectacular. Carlsen will have to show why he is the world champion and will have to win a few games in a row. However, this tournament is heavily occupied, so there are no easy victories here.
It doesn't work that way. The FIDE rating is based on the ELO principle and there you have to not just win tournaments, but gain a certain percentage of points. That is (purely conditional percentages, I don't remember the exact numbers) player 2800 should win 70% of games against player 2600 and against player 2500 he should win 80% of games. So if he wants to climb 2900, Carlsen has to show a crazy win percentage against the rest of the tops.
can you talk a bit more about inflation rating? first time I hear about it
I didn't know the top rating would simply go up over time and doesn't make a lot of sense for me to think it's due to people artificially raising it, but due to GMs getting better and better over time, maybe?
I didn't know the top rating would simply go up over time and doesn't make a lot of sense for me to think it's due to people artificially raising it, but due to GMs getting better and better over time, maybe?
Yes, on the one hand, you are right that the players are getting better and thus both the average rating and the top rating are growing. I won't be able to tell you much about inflation as it's a complicated issue (and many people even think it's the other way around in chess - rating deflation) - you can see the main points here:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elo_rating_system#Ratings_inflation_and_deflation
But it's clear to me that new players who enter the system bring more points into the system than retired players take away, so the total (and average) number of points becomes more = inflation.
A pretty boring day today. Played an awful lot of draws, which is not uncommon. Carlsen couldn't achieve much with black against van Foreest and so the gap to the leader remains large. I wouldn't dare say who the absolute favorite is, since this field is so strong that everyone can win and lose against each other. Good preparation is half the work. There were also rumors that Firouzja would not participate because he could not agree on the negotiation of his participation money in the tournament. It's strange, as a chess player you want to keep playing against the absolute world top, don't you? Not participating due to a refusal of starting money can also damage your reputation.
Ding Liren's defeat is probably even more surprising than Carlsen's defeat - after all, Carlsen gave up the chess crown, and Ding Liren will take part in the match for it. I think no matter how much Carlsen deceives himself that by giving up the crown he will be able to continue to dominate as he used to in regular tournaments, this is not true. When an athlete loses motivation, it affects the results in all tournaments. Perhaps Carlsen is already on his way out of the top 1.
And what a way to end it, if ever. It would be best if he gets that 2900 rating first before he calls it quits. He's still got a lot of time ahead of him, and he's obviously getting even better as time passes. Sadly, if you stay too long at the top and can't meet someone who's worthy of being serious, you'll eventually lose the drive to continue doing what you do best and I guess that's what's happening with Magnus now. But yeah, I'm still hoping that he reaches the elusive 2900 before he quits chess for good, otherwise it will be a long climb for Ding Liren before he gets that rating.
Considering that only two chess players currently have ratings above 2800 (one of which is Carlsen himself), the task of scoring 2900 looks unrealistic. Even when he announced this goal of his, some grandmasters said that it was impossible. Since then, it seems that Carlsen did not play better, but vice versa. I think that this task will be submitted to the next generation of players, including Firuja, Gukesh, Eregaysi, etc. simply due to inflation (albeit slow) rating.
can you talk a bit more about inflation rating? first time I hear about it
I didn't know the top rating would simply go up over time and doesn't make a lot of sense for me to think it's due to people artificially raising it, but due to GMs getting better and better over time, maybe?
Ding Liren's defeat is probably even more surprising than Carlsen's defeat - after all, Carlsen gave up the chess crown, and Ding Liren will take part in the match for it. I think no matter how much Carlsen deceives himself that by giving up the crown he will be able to continue to dominate as he used to in regular tournaments, this is not true. When an athlete loses motivation, it affects the results in all tournaments. Perhaps Carlsen is already on his way out of the top 1.
And what a way to end it, if ever. It would be best if he gets that 2900 rating first before he calls it quits. He's still got a lot of time ahead of him, and he's obviously getting even better as time passes. Sadly, if you stay too long at the top and can't meet someone who's worthy of being serious, you'll eventually lose the drive to continue doing what you do best and I guess that's what's happening with Magnus now. But yeah, I'm still hoping that he reaches the elusive 2900 before he quits chess for good, otherwise it will be a long climb for Ding Liren before he gets that rating.
Considering that only two chess players currently have ratings above 2800 (one of which is Carlsen himself), the task of scoring 2900 looks unrealistic. Even when he announced this goal of his, some grandmasters said that it was impossible. Since then, it seems that Carlsen did not play better, but vice versa. I think that this task will be submitted to the next generation of players, including Firuja, Gukesh, Eregaysi, etc. simply due to inflation (albeit slow) rating.
2900 may be a rating that man will never reach. If he plays a bad tournament, he has to win 2 tournaments somewhere to compensate for the lost points. I think Kasparov had a rating of 2854 at his best ever. Carlsen once hit 2900. Maybe this whole Niemann thing has started to piss him off after all. That is something that is in the back of your mind and people everywhere naturally want to ask questions about it. It makes a difference that Niemann was not invited. Ding Liren is also a player above the 2800 rating, but at the moment he has not been able to show anything spectacular. Carlsen will have to show why he is the world champion and will have to win a few games in a row. However, this tournament is heavily occupied, so there are no easy victories here.
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