Topic: Chess Game that Used Bitcoin? - page 2. (Read 5358 times)

I should look into this but how does the PVP control whether the people are actually humans or if they are using some kind of computer chess bot. Like everyone said before, its very easy to cheat in Chess or at least have a huge advantage.

Just create one and don't waste time finding this kind of game that accept bitcoins as bet i think this game is already on facebook or any website you should create one and then advertise it here then. 

There are a few chess playing sites which accept bitcoins and allow PvP matches. They have already been mentioned before, just read the thread from the beginning and you will not ask questions that have already been asked and most likely answered here. It is not very long and makes an interesting read by itself.

Though I still doubt anyone will be able to earn anything there.

If there's an chess game that really accept bitcoin as payments for those everyone who makes bet's then why don't create one ? it will be more unique that you are going to do chess gambling and this will be new as well if you are really pro when it comes of chess games.

Actually chess game on btc is less attractive though because you really need takes times to play just to earn some few coin. But in this thread many people ask for pvp games so like you put how much that you want to play and then compete each other. But in the end this doesnt get any good result though

iam very like and loving Chess Game
where i can play Chess Game can get reward bitcoin , altcoin or dollar fiat money
iam interest follow competition Chess Game

Too many ways that people can cheat at playing chess, I really don't think it's a good idea to bring gambling into chess.

Played with facebook invite someone who really play chess and try to bet both side and make a condition that you are going to play with a bet to earn profits and if you guy's don't want that then create website that this kind of gambling is good idea.

That's not a gambling site I don't think. It seems like its only for fun but they have tournaments and stuff. Honestly its too easy to cheat on Chess playing it online.

I love chess. Every night im playing chess with my friends.
You should try chess.com. They accepting bitcoin though i have not tried it yet. Thats the only site i know so far. Maybe you can play with Anand and Carlsen there. Lol

Yeah right, That site was the one i actually want to announce on my previous post, But the devs of the site didn't contact me regarding the development of the site. There is still no player on that site and useless to play online chess, i think he must do a good promotion for his site to attract more customer.

There is a site that you can play chess on called cgbets.com. I wouldn't know anything about the site though since I haven't tried it yet. As of right now though, there have been no scam accusations against the site from a brief research. As always though, do your own research on the site before you play.

It's great that someone finally made a pvp chess game in which we can bet.
but did they stated any website ?

And I am sure people who are interested in chess will be attracted by it

This isn't an exaggeration. I did find a video of Wesley So vs Stockfish (with Stockfish down a knight!) At this point I would agree with you on the bot levels. The only thing I would hope for is that they have basic detection strategies. If there's a consistent winner, then there might be reason for an investigation. Cheating is a problem in Chess, even live! (One grandmaster was caught hiding a phone inside a toilet paper roll during a tournament)

I guess at the end of this, I would just hope that any cheaters are stopped - and that the hosts check via engines to really see how the players played based on rating. Cheaters will be caught eventually. That being said... the tournaments for the next few weeks consist of mainly Crazyhouse - a variant of Chess. There is an engine, of course, for it, but its estimated rating is ~2700. It's not difficult to say that a top-tier Crazyhouse chess player would be able to beat or draw against the engine (marginally, perhaps).

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And now, anecdotal information! (This is not to improve my point, these are just observations)

https://en.lichess.org/@/JannLee - this is the top scoring player in BitChess (3 3rd place wins, 13 2nd place wins, 6 1st place wins) who plays only Crazyhouse on lichess.org, but is streaming the tournaments. You can be sure that that would be something a cheater doesn't do.

https://en.lichess.org/@/chickencrossroad - the second top scoring player in BitChess. They have high ratings in many of the variants, and engines have not been developed for some of them - so I strongly suspect that they aren't a cheater.

You should do some research yourself on this. Perhaps question BitChess on how they prevent cheaters - I would. (And have!)

If it all comes down to playing the entire game within 30 seconds, which seems to be an insane exaggeration on your part for an online game, then the artificial delays are not required altogether, since the network delays would be both enough and same for human players as well as bots. Changing the difficulty during a match is required to disrupt the pattern which could betray the bot. Obviously, it should be within the limits sufficient to win the match. But I don't think it is actually required, arbitrarily setting the time limits for a move should suffice.


I've been reading recently about chess programs, and it seems that their capacity of using game databases by far exceeds that of humans ("premoves" in your speak). They don't need to "calculate" every move.

Adding random time delays would be suicide in these games with low time controls. If you have 30 seconds to play the entire game (and the game lasts no longer than 1 minute) you would need to do every move down pat. Now, changing the difficulty doesn't really alter anything unless you decide to move it down to a level that can be easily beaten by most of the opponents in the tournament (I've seen mid-2000 elo rated players there).

You actually, however, might not survive with a script. Not to say that a computer wouldn't beat every player there, but think of it this way: the algorithm would only receive the information and then calculate... then make the move on the board. Humans in these games usually use premoves, which means they play a move in anticipation of their opponent's move. (If the move is possible on their turn, they'll do it whether it's good or bad.)

Along with this, most of the top players there would no doubt have memorized patterns. The mind would be able to find that relatively quickly, nearly instantly even, while the algorithm would only spit out the moves - and not why. A good player would be able to see 6, 7 move combinations.

This is all ignoring the fact that the algorithm playing at a high speed would suffer in its expected rating. Even if you have Stockfish 7, if you run it at a half second calculation (which is still too much) then you're absolutely beat.

I'll do some testing myself, though. I'll see how good these chess engines are in short time controls.


BitChess.co provides the funds for the tournament, lichess.org hosts the tournament. I don't think that a site for free chess games would try to cheat.

I don't quite understand what you mean by them making "a lot of wild moves". If you are using a bot to play there, you would evidently try your best to hide this regrettable fact by adding random time delays between moves, changing the playing difficulty level of the bot arbitrarily on the fly, and whatever else you might come up with to conceal any evidence that you are cheating.


You can't be 100% sure that these sites aren't cheating themselves and using bots against players. There is simply no bullet-proof way of refuting such a possibility.

Already talked about this. If you're consistently playing the engine's best move, you're cheating. What could be more simple than that? Of course, if someone were to appeal to that accusation, then there would be talking - usually, cheaters won't bother. They can simply check for anyone playing "too perfectly" or using a script (which the site could probably catch with the speed of making moves)

Also, lichess.org is separate from BitChess.co

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Uneducated (ignorant) ladies and gentlemen, let me present to you... time limits! Pick your poison... will you choose the 30 second time limit for each player, or 3 minutes for each player? Tick tock.

The tournaments you usually see are classical - with ridiculously long time controls. I know I go to live tournaments with 90 minutes + 30 seconds/move. That makes games last 2-5 hours usually.

Although the tournaments in lichess are somewhat long (I think the hosted ones were 2 hours) you play multiple games in that timeframe with the short time controls and have different strategic maneuvers - shortening your time by 50% but gaining an extra point if you win...

Think about it this way, though. There are freerolls in poker. What's the top prize for those? They can last way longer than 2 hours. And with those, you rely on luck (even a little bit). With chess, you can no doubt win every tournament if your skill is high enough, provided your internet doesn't stop. Top prize for this example tournament is $15. Not bad if you enjoy chess, want to increase your rating, and get a little cash incentive whilst doing so.

Indeed that is very serious issue to play against bot and I don't think there is any authentic method implemented to detect these engines, but I don't think that is good idea to play chess for btc because it take so long time to get complete a game there, I think better idea to play just for fun there because so many site offering this to play online with other players.

I think an inherent issues is always going to be the existence of chess engines.

Sure, some sites claim they have ways to detect these engines, and ban players. But then it comes down to how do you ever know for sure that the site is actually banning cheaters or just banning people who win too frequently, and ensuring someone on the inside wins?

You might find a place to play for BTC, as others have listed... but you can never know if it is going to be fair at all.