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September 18, 2016, 02:12:34 AM
#50
Yeah i think this also, it's easy to cheat in chess game, so If your not professional player in chess it's better to stay away in that.  But if your pro you can match those people who use bot to win the game.

How do we know that the OP is not going to do exactly the same? On the other hand, someone like Vladimir Kramnik or Vishy Anand could easily make fools of these bots and people behind them, if he ever wanted to, of course.
Let's face it. People with professional Chess background represent maybe 0.0001% of population probably less. 99.999% of other people would be easily crushed by good chess program.
You can't create service where only top of the tops pro prayers could play and win with Chess bots.
When money is on the line people will cheat for sure. So this is a reason we don't have now, and won't have in the future any pvp chess platform where you can win money.
Not even the best players would be able to win against the top chess algorithms. Stockfish (the newest one) has an estimated elo of 3447. Do you know what the world champion's elo is? 2857. Plus, the computers will analyze everything faster and more perfectly than any player (apart from memorization patterns)

This is just not realistic.

I'm still pro-human, as it were. Algorithms, even the newest ones, still need hardware to run on. If I remember correctly, every time a reigning world champion had been playing against a machine (for example Kasparov versus Deep Blue), the machine had been either a general-purpose top-of-the-notch supercomputer or a custom built device with massively parallel processing technology crafted specifically for playing chess and nothing else. And even in these cases the outcome was far from predetermined. I understand that today's regular computers are a lot faster and have a lot more memory than they were and had some twenty years ago. But I still think that they are not quite there yet to crush humiliatingly a grandmaster level chess player.

Besides, what is an estimated elo of a chess algorithm? Any chess match is time restricted, and would the algo show the same elo on some decrepit hardware given the time limitations for making a move? In my view, an estimated elo of such an algorithm is more hype than reality.
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September 18, 2016, 01:28:42 AM
#49
I think it's really cool if there is a gambling game to chess, although I do not like gambling, I would like to see a fight serious about chess. Well, if you were playing chess and risking something then you would play seriously, and I would like to see a strategy which you have created for it. it will definitely be exciting
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September 18, 2016, 01:25:25 AM
#48
I think chess is a horrible gambling game, I will not be ready to bet any real amount, because required skill and experience to win  Grin
Also it will be difficult for you to win against programmed Robots
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September 18, 2016, 12:30:51 AM
#47
i think is nothing site chess game
and winner can reward bitcoin
only chess game online is ready but not supported reward bitcoin
or batle user from user reward bitcoin not supported
only chess game online
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September 17, 2016, 04:24:18 PM
#46
hello there i just want to ask if you know a gambling site that offers a PVP chess game? I want to play some chess and at the same time earn some profit, Cheesy
I'm tired on playing with bot at my computer. Thanks in advance for future responds.  Wink

You can try bella coin it rewards you bella which is a cryptocurrency for playing. But it is not worth much that is what is the problem. The payout is very bad, I am not sure how many people play online.

Most games like this won't pay you out much, as it is easy to use a bot for chess. Searching "chess bot" on google give many suggestions, and there even is a chrome extension that will help you decide on the smartest next move. For these reasons, I doubt that there will ever be a chess game for bitcoins.

As a chess player i think this would be nice where you can bet your btc that would really depend on your own skill. Calibration i think is necessary to avoid mismatches. and i dont think there is a bot like cheats in playing chess. if possible it can search for real players not bots.

Unfortunately, there is no such technology yet where it only searches for real players and not bots. You could put a lot of captchas, but someone could just watch the bot's progress and fill out captcha's as needed. A chess game is simply not viable.
That is one of the good idea to verify that your enemy is bot or not.. every start to play chess it needs to verify first im not a robot.. before they can start play chess.. many people here before are requesting about that game but until now never seen any site here that you can play chess with bitcoin.. i heard somone developing chess before in development section but never heard the exact if they made it or not. because there still no any site that has chess game. maybe they dont want chess game because there is no profit if you made an arena for chess.
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September 17, 2016, 03:51:37 PM
#45
In the past, I have also looked for chess sites that offer real-money wagering but have had little to no luck finding them. I don't think there will be any chess games that use bitcoin or any other money currency in the near future because of all the possible cheating and bots. If there was somehow a way to ensure that play would be fair between two players with no computer assistance, that would be awesome. I am only a recreational chess player with a decent rating (1800 ELO) but it is one of my favorite hobbies.
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September 17, 2016, 02:50:38 PM
#44
I think chess is a horrible gambling game, I will not be ready to bet any real amount, because required skill and experience to win  Grin
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September 17, 2016, 01:54:53 PM
#43
hello there i just want to ask if you know a gambling site that offers a PVP chess game? I want to play some chess and at the same time earn some profit, Cheesy
I'm tired on playing with bot at my computer. Thanks in advance for future responds.  Wink

Why there aren't many of these PvPs is because you won't know if you are playing with a bot.

For example
I take black, you take white.
I run a PvE chess game at maximum difficulty on my PC. (I take white)
You make your move.
I make the same move in the PvE game, wait for it to make the smartest move, and make the same move in the real game. Wait and repeat.

There was a whole movie about using this tactics, long before computers got widespread. The plot was built around some trickster who separately challenged two chess champions which hated each other. They agreed to play against him as well as lose substantially more than win since they innocently believed they could easily smash to pieces their insolent opponent. While in fact they turned out to be playing against each other at the end of the day. I don't remember the movie title though. Anyone know?

I have heard this story too, but cannot seem to place it either.

All I get from Google is
Derren Brown (a magician) beats 9 chess players simultaneously. (using a similar trick) and

this from https://en.chessbase.com/post/derren-brown-s-che-trick-once-more-with-feeling
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The trick is not new. Alekhine and his twice world championship challenger Bogoljubov are said to have been challenged separately to games of correspondence chess at money odds. In effect the opponent, who had little chess skill, was playing in neither game. He was simply passing on the moves of the players. Since he had received money odds he ended with a net profit whoever won the game.
I don't know how authentic this one is.
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September 17, 2016, 01:43:39 PM
#42
hello there i just want to ask if you know a gambling site that offers a PVP chess game? I want to play some chess and at the same time earn some profit, Cheesy
I'm tired on playing with bot at my computer. Thanks in advance for future responds.  Wink

You can try bella coin it rewards you bella which is a cryptocurrency for playing. But it is not worth much that is what is the problem. The payout is very bad, I am not sure how many people play online.

Most games like this won't pay you out much, as it is easy to use a bot for chess. Searching "chess bot" on google give many suggestions, and there even is a chrome extension that will help you decide on the smartest next move. For these reasons, I doubt that there will ever be a chess game for bitcoins.

As a chess player i think this would be nice where you can bet your btc that would really depend on your own skill. Calibration i think is necessary to avoid mismatches. and i dont think there is a bot like cheats in playing chess. if possible it can search for real players not bots.

Unfortunately, there is no such technology yet where it only searches for real players and not bots. You could put a lot of captchas, but someone could just watch the bot's progress and fill out captcha's as needed. A chess game is simply not viable.
legendary
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September 17, 2016, 01:29:30 PM
#41
I think it will be good if someone create a chess game with pvp using bitcoin. should design a tournament for hearthstone too

The reason there isn't one is that people can create bots that are almost undefeatable, and you never know who is the player on the other side, if its a bot or an actual player.

So its only good on the free sites which already have chess for pvp without money.
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September 17, 2016, 01:00:04 PM
#40
I think it will be good if someone create a chess game with pvp using bitcoin. should design a tournament for hearthstone too
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September 17, 2016, 12:31:52 PM
#39
I have heard few students have made ethereum smart contract based chess games don't know whether its p2p or p2bot one. But i think that can be coded to have p2p and bitcoin or ethereum in bet.

I have seen this thread discussing about few p2p games available this may help https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/bitcoin-games-player-vs-player-990127
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September 17, 2016, 10:28:18 AM
#38
I have a solution. Each game gets moderated and the moderated are rewarded too. So you can play to mine or moderate to mine. Like an curator sort of. That way people can't cheat so easily. But the thing is how would one disproved an accusation of cheating or not cheating ? That is the problem I have no solution to. Sad
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September 17, 2016, 09:54:51 AM
#37
I also tried to find such site which are giving pvp services for chess with bitcoins but no progress.

Following your thread Cheesy
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September 17, 2016, 09:32:49 AM
#36
Yeah i think this also, it's easy to cheat in chess game, so If your not professional player in chess it's better to stay away in that.  But if your pro you can match those people who use bot to win the game.

How do we know that the OP is not going to do exactly the same? On the other hand, someone like Vladimir Kramnik or Vishy Anand could easily make fools of these bots and people behind them, if he ever wanted to, of course.
Let's face it. People with professional Chess background represent maybe 0.0001% of population probably less. 99.999% of other people would be easily crushed by good chess program.
You can't create service where only top of the tops pro prayers could play and win with Chess bots.
When money is on the line people will cheat for sure. So this is a reason we don't have now, and won't have in the future any pvp chess platform where you can win money.
Not even the best players would be able to win against the top chess algorithms. Stockfish (the newest one) has an estimated elo of 3447. Do you know what the world champion's elo is? 2857. Plus, the computers will analyze everything faster and more perfectly than any player (apart from memorization patterns)

This is just not realistic.
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September 17, 2016, 09:10:28 AM
#35
hello there i just want to ask if you know a gambling site that offers a PVP chess game? I want to play some chess and at the same time earn some profit, Cheesy
I'm tired on playing with bot at my computer. Thanks in advance for future responds.  Wink

You can try bella coin it rewards you bella which is a cryptocurrency for playing. But it is not worth much that is what is the problem. The payout is very bad, I am not sure how many people play online.

Most games like this won't pay you out much, as it is easy to use a bot for chess. Searching "chess bot" on google give many suggestions, and there even is a chrome extension that will help you decide on the smartest next move. For these reasons, I doubt that there will ever be a chess game for bitcoins.

As a chess player i think this would be nice where you can bet your btc that would really depend on your own skill. Calibration i think is necessary to avoid mismatches. and i dont think there is a bot like cheats in playing chess. if possible it can search for real players not bots.
Its very difficult to find a chess game with real player and that too paying bitcoin. Even real players poker rooms are hard to find mostly is video poker on every gambling site some goes with chess even if you find a chess game paying bitcoin its likely it will be a bot.
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September 17, 2016, 08:39:41 AM
#34
I don't find any bitcoin chess site, but bitocin poker sites are many. Chess is not pupular like 10-20 years ago, people like gambling or card games, not chess
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September 17, 2016, 08:26:57 AM
#33
hello there i just want to ask if you know a gambling site that offers a PVP chess game? I want to play some chess and at the same time earn some profit, Cheesy
I'm tired on playing with bot at my computer. Thanks in advance for future responds.  Wink

A few have tried but they all eventually close. At least from the ones I saw around here. I think the problem is always the same. They can't guarantee a player won't simulate the game at home with a bot, and that would be unfair and it does not inspire trust for the users to risk money on it.
I really don't think a online chess game for money will succeed because of that.
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September 17, 2016, 02:28:06 AM
#32
hello there i just want to ask if you know a gambling site that offers a PVP chess game? I want to play some chess and at the same time earn some profit, Cheesy
I'm tired on playing with bot at my computer. Thanks in advance for future responds.  Wink

Actually I never heard about Chess game/sites use Bitcoin..Im very happy if that is available because im really like chess game..Just think looking for Who is developer make one PVP chess game Used Bitcoin Wink

The most significant problem for this game is that you may play against bot that is created by some people. Playing against bot is just like you play against computer which is likely you will never win.
Would you risk your btc against bot? I guess no..

But would you risk your coins if you had to play against a human which is a way smarter than you, making it highly unlikely that you will ever win? And how do you know the strength of your opponent if you have to choose blindly? On the other hand, if you yourself are gifted (well, maybe no so gifted as Magnus Carlsen) up to a point where you make matchwood of the majority of chess bots in existence today, wouldn't you want to play against them, even if exclusively for money?
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September 17, 2016, 02:21:39 AM
#31
I am not great at chess but this could be a great idea for someone to develop one
that does all types of games. I know I would play Backgammon for bitcoin and if it
kept track of your score (win/loss) that would be good also like yahoo does so you only
play people of your same ranking etc.
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