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Quote from: qory on August 16, 2020, 01:31:35 PM

I'm curious about where we can find a chess tournament I think there's some ongoing online tournaments about chess due to Covid-19 but how do we know that the two players are fair like not using a computer chess to counter the other, also I was thinking which crypto casino or bookmaker that has a chess on their website.

On https://chess24.com/en they are playing the Magnus Carlsen Invitational tournament. They check with three webcams if the players are playing fair. One of the webcams is placed on the screen.

But I think those top20 players won't cheat. If they do their career is over and they won't earn that much anymore.

Well, never say never. There will always be players that want to beat the system and try to cheat.
Found this article from 2019 where a grandmaster (top50) cheats in a tournament by using his phone in the toilet Grin

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2019/jul/13/igors-rausis-cheating-phone-tournament-scandal

It's such a disgrace if you cheat on game that is obviously requiring a huge brain so if I am him, he better show himself using with his/her only brain. I agree that chess isn't for everyone and some doesn't like it for having complex mechanics but for some, it's a good game.

Therefore, chess still has its potential to be a leading game agad and both gambling and chess platforms will benefit a lot.

Gonna close the thread, I have read a lot of your replies and some really doesn't agree to be listed on a gambling platform. Thanks for the discussion.

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Quote from: babygun on August 18, 2020, 05:49:33 AM

Quote from: dre1982 on August 17, 2020, 03:06:14 PM

Quote from: qory on August 16, 2020, 01:31:35 PM

I'm curious about where we can find a chess tournament I think there's some ongoing online tournaments about chess due to Covid-19 but how do we know that the two players are fair like not using a computer chess to counter the other, also I was thinking which crypto casino or bookmaker that has a chess on their website.

On https://chess24.com/en they are playing the Magnus Carlsen Invitational tournament. They check with three webcams if the players are playing fair. One of the webcams is placed on the screen.

But I think those top20 players won't cheat. If they do their career is over and they won't earn that much anymore.

Well, never say never. There will always be players that want to beat the system and try to cheat.
Found this article from 2019 where a grandmaster (top50) cheats in a tournament by using his phone in the toilet Grin

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2019/jul/13/igors-rausis-cheating-phone-tournament-scandal

Of course some try that but the tournaments I was talking about is all top 10-20 and they earn a lot more. So the risk of losing a good job is way too big.

At chess only the top 10/top 20 earns big. Especially Carlsen with all his sponsor deals

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Quote from: dre1982 on August 17, 2020, 03:06:14 PM

Quote from: qory on August 16, 2020, 01:31:35 PM

I'm curious about where we can find a chess tournament I think there's some ongoing online tournaments about chess due to Covid-19 but how do we know that the two players are fair like not using a computer chess to counter the other, also I was thinking which crypto casino or bookmaker that has a chess on their website.

On https://chess24.com/en they are playing the Magnus Carlsen Invitational tournament. They check with three webcams if the players are playing fair. One of the webcams is placed on the screen.

But I think those top20 players won't cheat. If they do their career is over and they won't earn that much anymore.

Well, never say never. There will always be players that want to beat the system and try to cheat.
Found this article from 2019 where a grandmaster (top50) cheats in a tournament by using his phone in the toilet Grin

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2019/jul/13/igors-rausis-cheating-phone-tournament-scandal

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Quote from: finaleshot2016 on August 14, 2020, 04:33:54 PM

Standard chess are more preferable and still amusing to watch in streams.

i'm agree with you. Those graphic are to fancy and it will not help to intrigue people who don't like chess or such types of game (football watchers and so on). Excess thing with no use.

But for example, holo chess (augmented reality) or some not big effects (like neon light) can create better and more interesting atmosphere to the game and stream.

I think sound effects could help "intrigue people who don't like chess". I imagine that if you create certain sounds that correspond to the "interesting chances" the players are creating, people could find the game more interesting. It can make them curious.

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@OP, I think it's a really nice suggestion to add chess as a gambling game. Chess is a form of recreational activity that often played in person, but now can be played online so it can really fit into the games on the gambling sites.

It is good to reconsider because like all other gambling games, this requires critical thinking and different strategies to win. This will be a great opportunity to introduce traditional sports to gambling community as well. And if ever it'll be considered anytime in the future, no doubt more people will be hooked and play this for entertainment.

Quote from: Nellayar on June 19, 2020, 06:56:13 PM

Believe me or not but there are only small percent of gamblers that are interested in chess than other physical sports. I think also that Lebron James is popular than Garry Kasparov.
Casino`s really love bettors and they are after the bets than in sports. If only few gamblers have interest in chess sports then there is only small amount of wagers every time there is a tournament. I don`t say that chess isn`t popular, it is just only small percent have interest to bet. But then, who knows? It may really give an impact to gambling world since a new sport may be added.

And about this, I think I have to disagree with you. The reason why you think there are only few gamblers who might be interested in chess in gambling is because you normalized poker, dice, and other games in gambling as your main thing.

Try to get out of your comfort zone and visit the sites that OP had mentioned. You'll see what I'm saying. And I am very sure that if they include chess on sports betting, I bet that would be hype as hell. They just need to allocated a fix time for every rounds so it won't be boring.

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Quote from: qory on August 16, 2020, 01:31:35 PM

I'm curious about where we can find a chess tournament I think there's some ongoing online tournaments about chess due to Covid-19 but how do we know that the two players are fair like not using a computer chess to counter the other, also I was thinking which crypto casino or bookmaker that has a chess on their website.

On https://chess24.com/en they are playing the Magnus Carlsen Invitational tournament. They check with three webcams if the players are playing fair. One of the webcams is placed on the screen.

But I think those top20 players won't cheat. If they do their career is over and they won't earn that much anymore.

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Interesting.
I guess this(the last image) is close to what regular chess game is about? I wonder if all chess players are aware of this or just play like kids would innocently play some kinds of games that look harmless/safe but have lots of deep bad meaning. Hope it's not the case with chess.

Most chess players are aware that chess has been used for a long time as a small representation of a battlefield and as an indicative of the skills that you need to succeed on that battlefield, personally I find unnecessary to try to represent visually the conflict between the pieces, to all the people that have actually play the game and love it this is not necessary, however I can understand how someone that is just starting out learning chess could actually like to see how the pieces battle among themselves but this will get tiring very quickly.

Yeah, the effort made is appreciated. But I do agree that gamblers who are really fascinated with chess would prefer the traditional way on how it is played. And people who are really chess players might be interested to either watch it, bet on it and spread the information to others.

Only people who fully understand this game will appreciate the tactics and strategies coming from both players, It's boring to anyone who are not really into this game, most of the time it took longer while you are watching how the game was played.
But if you understand and appreciates it's somehow very entertaining especially when counter moves has been place from time to time.

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Quote from: South Park on August 17, 2020, 12:36:05 PM

Quote from: Ucy on August 13, 2020, 04:08:49 AM

Interesting.
I guess this(the last image) is close to what regular chess game is about? I wonder if all chess players are aware of this or just play like kids would innocently play some kinds of games that look harmless/safe but have lots of deep bad meaning. Hope it's not the case with chess.

Most chess players are aware that chess has been used for a long time as a small representation of a battlefield and as an indicative of the skills that you need to succeed on that battlefield, personally I find unnecessary to try to represent visually the conflict between the pieces, to all the people that have actually play the game and love it this is not necessary, however I can understand how someone that is just starting out learning chess could actually like to see how the pieces battle among themselves but this will get tiring very quickly.

Yeah, the effort made is appreciated. But I do agree that gamblers who are really fascinated with chess would prefer the traditional way on how it is played. And people who are really chess players might be interested to either watch it, bet on it and spread the information to others.

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Quote from: Ucy on August 13, 2020, 04:08:49 AM

Interesting.
I guess this(the last image) is close to what regular chess game is about? I wonder if all chess players are aware of this or just play like kids would innocently play some kinds of games that look harmless/safe but have lots of deep bad meaning. Hope it's not the case with chess.

Most chess players are aware that chess has been used for a long time as a small representation of a battlefield and as an indicative of the skills that you need to succeed on that battlefield, personally I find unnecessary to try to represent visually the conflict between the pieces, to all the people that have actually play the game and love it this is not necessary, however I can understand how someone that is just starting out learning chess could actually like to see how the pieces battle among themselves but this will get tiring very quickly.

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I'm curious about where we can find a chess tournament I think there's some ongoing online tournaments about chess due to Covid-19 but how do we know that the two players are fair like not using a computer chess to counter the other, also I was thinking which crypto casino or bookmaker that has a chess on their website.

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Quote from: Wawa2013 on August 14, 2020, 05:11:31 PM

I admit that it is very rare to find sports betting platforms that provide chess options for betting. Even though this sounds
sad for me as a chess fan, I have to accept that chess is not competitive with other esports games. Maybe today's teenagers
are not interested in chess, so it's difficult to find sports betting platforms that do exist chess options. In fact, several surveys
also have shown that chess tournaments are widely watched by old people.

There are some casinos where you can bet on chess, but most of them are non crypto casinos (such as Unibet).
I am still quite young but also don't like the fancy design, I prefer the classic version

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Quote from: johhnyUA on August 14, 2020, 04:48:54 PM

Quote from: finaleshot2016 on August 14, 2020, 04:33:54 PM

Standard chess are more preferable and still amusing to watch in streams.

i'm agree with you. Those graphic are to fancy and it will not help to intrigue people who don't like chess or such types of game (football watchers and so on). Excess thing with no use.

But for example, holo chess (augmented reality) or some not big effects (like neon light) can create better and more interesting atmosphere to the game and stream.

Yes, I rather prefer those classic ones, it is more interesting for me rather than making it animated or what, also if we will be able to make it in online betting it is more good, I think there are some online chess but I don't see any betting site with it, or should I say there is already now and I am only left behind? I hope they can get idea as well, if they can make it in multiplier mode.

it will also be difficult to others that watching it to learn about the game since its animated.

Yes I remember that there are website related only in chess games and players and you can play with other players from different country have a tournament to win . I promote that website before But its not free to play. You need to use game currency to play and you are able to convert that game currency into real money But not related to crypto currency.

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Quote from: johhnyUA on August 14, 2020, 04:48:54 PM

Quote from: finaleshot2016 on August 14, 2020, 04:33:54 PM

Standard chess are more preferable and still amusing to watch in streams.

i'm agree with you. Those graphic are to fancy and it will not help to intrigue people who don't like chess or such types of game (football watchers and so on). Excess thing with no use.

But for example, holo chess (augmented reality) or some not big effects (like neon light) can create better and more interesting atmosphere to the game and stream.

Yes, I rather prefer those classic ones, it is more interesting for me rather than making it animated or what, also if we will be able to make it in online betting it is more good, I think there are some online chess but I don't see any betting site with it, or should I say there is already now and I am only left behind? I hope they can get idea as well, if they can make it in multiplier mode.

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I admit that it is very rare to find sports betting platforms that provide chess options for betting. Even though this sounds
sad for me as a chess fan, I have to accept that chess is not competitive with other esports games. Maybe today's teenagers
are not interested in chess, so it's difficult to find sports betting platforms that do exist chess options. In fact, several surveys
also have shown that chess tournaments are widely watched by old people.

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Quote from: johhnyUA on August 14, 2020, 04:48:54 PM

Quote from: finaleshot2016 on August 14, 2020, 04:33:54 PM

Standard chess are more preferable and still amusing to watch in streams.

i'm agree with you. Those graphic are to fancy and it will not help to intrigue people who don't like chess or such types of game (football watchers and so on). Excess thing with no use.

But for example, holo chess (augmented reality) or some not big effects (like neon light) can create better and more interesting atmosphere to the game and stream.

Also, most of the gamblers are old people who will not attracted to game designs like this. They will also prefer the standard that is easy to understand.

Of course, extraordinary designs and feature will attract some and definitely good for streaming. But if we're talking about making the game more attracrive to the gambling industry, features like this aren't really necessary.

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Quote from: finaleshot2016 on August 14, 2020, 04:33:54 PM

Standard chess are more preferable and still amusing to watch in streams.

i'm agree with you. Those graphic are to fancy and it will not help to intrigue people who don't like chess or such types of game (football watchers and so on). Excess thing with no use.

But for example, holo chess (augmented reality) or some not big effects (like neon light) can create better and more interesting atmosphere to the game and stream.

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Its probably because modern games are much exciting because you get to see cool avatars, weapon, items. And its very flashy with the animations and effects. It really takes away your mind from reality. Perhaps, more people are switching to online simulation games than old games, i guess chess also needs to somehow improve like pawn's having form of knights which engage more people to play it virtually.

Yeah they need to do that like for example the snake games on old Nokia phones. they revive it with much different updates and cool stuffs they also changed the name but most of the atmosphere was there and the rules still the same never get hit to anything or you die.

I think what you mean by improving the chess game into modern era of gaming is already happened base on this image but I haven't heard of this one till now. It has been there but has a lot of rooms to improve.

Well I guess most chess players like myself just prefer a standard game then such fancy one ;-)

Interesting.
I guess this(the last image) is close to what regular chess game is about? I wonder if all chess players are aware of this or just play like kids would innocently play some kinds of games that look harmless/safe but have lots of deep bad meaning. Hope it's not the case with chess.

Interesting to watch but for me I still prefer the classic which has no fancy graphic designs like that. The animation and effects will just make the game complucated. Instead of focusing on the game, those add ons will definitely distract you because we used to play in the classic settings.

Standard chess are more preferable and still amusing to watch in streams.

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Quote from: Ucy on August 13, 2020, 04:08:49 AM

I guess this(the last image) is close to what regular chess game is about? I wonder if all chess players are aware of this or just play like kids would innocently play some kinds of games that look harmless/safe but have lots of deep bad meaning. Hope it's not the case with chess.

This is not really the case of chess or maybe we do not know the tradition of playing chess or how the game was being made as I have made a short google search it started to india but to.what I think of that the game was started as a real strategy in combat or wars. The board could be the representation of the real battle.in the field. The board is used as a practice in a strategic battle. This is what I think of when seeing that last picture as you too.were being mention and getting not a good vibes in it.

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Quote from: dre1982 on August 12, 2020, 12:34:15 PM

Quote from: yazher on August 12, 2020, 12:04:57 PM

Quote from: Sadlife on August 12, 2020, 09:49:22 AM

Its probably because modern games are much exciting because you get to see cool avatars, weapon, items. And its very flashy with the animations and effects. It really takes away your mind from reality. Perhaps, more people are switching to online simulation games than old games, i guess chess also needs to somehow improve like pawn's having form of knights which engage more people to play it virtually.

Yeah they need to do that like for example the snake games on old Nokia phones. they revive it with much different updates and cool stuffs they also changed the name but most of the atmosphere was there and the rules still the same never get hit to anything or you die.

I think what you mean by improving the chess game into modern era of gaming is already happened base on this image but I haven't heard of this one till now. It has been there but has a lot of rooms to improve.

Well I guess most chess players like myself just prefer a standard game then such fancy one ;-)

Interesting.
I guess this(the last image) is close to what regular chess game is about? I wonder if all chess players are aware of this or just play like kids would innocently play some kinds of games that look harmless/safe but have lots of deep bad meaning. Hope it's not the case with chess.

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Quote from: lebregone on August 09, 2020, 01:51:47 AM

Anything can happen but all the decisions will be coming from the casino owners because most of the casino owners will think ahead before adding a certain sports
to their platform.

Casino owners will likely to add chess in their gambling platform if they can see that they can profit from that game but if they can see that the chances to profit
from that game is very slim then they will not put too much effort in adding that game to their platform. But who knows, if one casino will try to add it and it
will become popular then other casinos will surely to follow.

I don't see it happen that a casino add chess. With chess it's way too easy to cheat with third party software like chess engines. To prevent that the casinos should use algorithms to detect frauds like chess.com already does.

I think the fact that computers are so good at the game is without a doubt damaging chess and its popularity among the public, however it could be possible for casinos to add blitz games after all it is going to be very difficult for a person to try to play a blitz game and try to cheat at the same time with a chess engine, they will simply run out of time if they tried to do that unless they find a way to automate this which now that I think about it it could be possible for the person with the right knowledge.

It would be still the same even if they do put up that blitz game.We know that third party software arent that slouch even for a blitz type of phasing.Common reasons had been mentioned
on why Chess havent or doesnt really get too much attention by most Bookies.

They can be popular in discord or any other chat platforms but they wont surely get that enough recognition in sportsbooks but if you are really that fan of Chess then
there are places on where you can bet on.

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