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Agreed, in a standard match while there can always be a surprise the player that is on average better ranked should win more often than not, but in a blitz game this is not the case anymore as players keep the game confusing on purpose to try to catch their opponents off guard, so while in a regular game a player may choose to simplify the position in a blitz game they know their best chance is to keep the game open to all kind of possibilities so the chances your opponent makes a mistake go higher and you can score a win.

True, even a strong opponent can be defeated on a blitz game since the game is a fast phase and we should think quickly. A blitz game is a battle of correct placements, and you shouldn't move any single blunder because if your move is considered as a blunder then the chance of you losing is very high.

That's why I think blitz is very suitable on any tournament that should have bettings.

One of the most important rules in a blitz game is that in a chess match if you touch a piece and you have at least a legal move that you can make with it then you are forced to make that move, this is really important because you can actually see people going for the piece and then having second thoughts midway but they are unable to stop as they can see that will be a bad move but due to inertia they touch the piece and now they are forced to move the piece and lose the game because of it, which is why what I stated above about keeping the game complex is really important in that kind of match.

Well that rules is for any type of chess, also for the long games.

The strangest thing is that you can watch 15 min for a move and when you touch that piece you see in a split second that's a blunder it something like that.

True but that kind of blunder is way more common in a blitz game because you have way less time to think about your movements and for the most part you are acting on reflex, so if your opponent was cunning enough to set up a trap in a position that seems to be harmless then it is way more likely that you are going to fall into that trap, while in a normal game you can decide to take all the time in the world to analyze a position that is complex especially if you think this movement is critical, something that is impossible to do in a blitz game.

Blitz game will definitely silence the game as people are focus on the fast-phase game and requires fast thinking to avoid blunder. If you're mind is on the bad mood, definitely you will lose the game. It requires a lot of mental training for you to be a blitz game master. Traps and decoy are usually common on this type of chess, you will definitely fall without even noticing until the end of the game.

So I guess that this type of chess game will mostly be liked by some of the bettors for its fast-phased feature.

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Quote from: South Park on July 30, 2020, 02:06:31 PM

Agreed, in a standard match while there can always be a surprise the player that is on average better ranked should win more often than not, but in a blitz game this is not the case anymore as players keep the game confusing on purpose to try to catch their opponents off guard, so while in a regular game a player may choose to simplify the position in a blitz game they know their best chance is to keep the game open to all kind of possibilities so the chances your opponent makes a mistake go higher and you can score a win.

True, even a strong opponent can be defeated on a blitz game since the game is a fast phase and we should think quickly. A blitz game is a battle of correct placements, and you shouldn't move any single blunder because if your move is considered as a blunder then the chance of you losing is very high.

That's why I think blitz is very suitable on any tournament that should have bettings.

One of the most important rules in a blitz game is that in a chess match if you touch a piece and you have at least a legal move that you can make with it then you are forced to make that move, this is really important because you can actually see people going for the piece and then having second thoughts midway but they are unable to stop as they can see that will be a bad move but due to inertia they touch the piece and now they are forced to move the piece and lose the game because of it, which is why what I stated above about keeping the game complex is really important in that kind of match.

Well that rules is for any type of chess, also for the long games.

The strangest thing is that you can watch 15 min for a move and when you touch that piece you see in a split second that's a blunder it something like that.

True but that kind of blunder is way more common in a blitz game because you have way less time to think about your movements and for the most part you are acting on reflex, so if your opponent was cunning enough to set up a trap in a position that seems to be harmless then it is way more likely that you are going to fall into that trap, while in a normal game you can decide to take all the time in the world to analyze a position that is complex especially if you think this movement is critical, something that is impossible to do in a blitz game.

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Quote from: South Park on August 04, 2020, 10:46:42 AM

Quote from: finaleshot2016 on July 31, 2020, 06:52:32 AM

Quote from: South Park on July 30, 2020, 02:06:31 PM

Agreed, in a standard match while there can always be a surprise the player that is on average better ranked should win more often than not, but in a blitz game this is not the case anymore as players keep the game confusing on purpose to try to catch their opponents off guard, so while in a regular game a player may choose to simplify the position in a blitz game they know their best chance is to keep the game open to all kind of possibilities so the chances your opponent makes a mistake go higher and you can score a win.

True, even a strong opponent can be defeated on a blitz game since the game is a fast phase and we should think quickly. A blitz game is a battle of correct placements, and you shouldn't move any single blunder because if your move is considered as a blunder then the chance of you losing is very high.

That's why I think blitz is very suitable on any tournament that should have bettings.

One of the most important rules in a blitz game is that in a chess match if you touch a piece and you have at least a legal move that you can make with it then you are forced to make that move, this is really important because you can actually see people going for the piece and then having second thoughts midway but they are unable to stop as they can see that will be a bad move but due to inertia they touch the piece and now they are forced to move the piece and lose the game because of it, which is why what I stated above about keeping the game complex is really important in that kind of match.

Well that rules is for any type of chess, also for the long games.

The strangest thing is that you can watch 15 min for a move and when you touch that piece you see in a split second that's a blunder it something like that.

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Quote from: finaleshot2016 on July 31, 2020, 06:52:32 AM

Quote from: South Park on July 30, 2020, 02:06:31 PM

Agreed, in a standard match while there can always be a surprise the player that is on average better ranked should win more often than not, but in a blitz game this is not the case anymore as players keep the game confusing on purpose to try to catch their opponents off guard, so while in a regular game a player may choose to simplify the position in a blitz game they know their best chance is to keep the game open to all kind of possibilities so the chances your opponent makes a mistake go higher and you can score a win.

True, even a strong opponent can be defeated on a blitz game since the game is a fast phase and we should think quickly. A blitz game is a battle of correct placements, and you shouldn't move any single blunder because if your move is considered as a blunder then the chance of you losing is very high.

That's why I think blitz is very suitable on any tournament that should have bettings.

One of the most important rules in a blitz game is that in a chess match if you touch a piece and you have at least a legal move that you can make with it then you are forced to make that move, this is really important because you can actually see people going for the piece and then having second thoughts midway but they are unable to stop as they can see that will be a bad move but due to inertia they touch the piece and now they are forced to move the piece and lose the game because of it, which is why what I stated above about keeping the game complex is really important in that kind of match.

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Chess is truly a great sport, it is not only fun but gives room for the human mind to work at its best and develop. However, if it will be featured in a casino betting, I think only people who are really fond of watching and playing chess will be enthusiastic about it. And the popularity of chess globally is not as intense as the other sports. Although, I do not want to be negative about it but who knows, it might be bigger than what I can see.

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Quote from: erikoy on August 04, 2020, 04:58:24 AM

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I notice they even have the lower time rapid bullet moves: Hyperbullet (30-second-per-player) and Ultrabullet (15-second-per-player).
I guess a good player should be able to understand and quickly predict what its opponent will do, right? Sounds like "understand, predict & play" will play a big role in the outcome of the quick move games.

Yes and no. Any world class player needs some time to think about their next move, especially in "mid game". Opening sequence and end game can happen very quickly.
If you look at the World Championships, only Magnus Carlsen held all 3 titles at the same time (rapid, blitz and regular).

This because chess game is really a broad game when it comes to strategic move and defenses. It is really hard to outsmart pro players so everygame is a tough game. It is just one have to do analyzation on the opponnents favorite move and how can one avoid it. Making it online makes.it easier.to.analyze the opponents move in the videos that could be replay again.

So I am positive that chess game could be able to be added in the esports games with geniuses players around the world.

The video part is interesting. I guess an alternative to that in physical chess game would be to attend most of your favorite player/players games and observe his methods from start to finish,and possibly record him playing, if that is allowed.
I suspect some have tricks they would never reveal to anyone

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Quote from: erikoy on August 04, 2020, 04:58:24 AM

Quote from: babygun on August 04, 2020, 04:50:13 AM

Quote from: Ucy on August 04, 2020, 04:01:13 AM

-snip

I notice they even have the lower time rapid bullet moves: Hyperbullet (30-second-per-player) and Ultrabullet (15-second-per-player).
I guess a good player should be able to understand and quickly predict what its opponent will do, right? Sounds like "understand, predict & play" will play a big role in the outcome of the quick move games.

Yes and no. Any world class player needs some time to think about their next move, especially in "mid game". Opening sequence and end game can happen very quickly.
If you look at the World Championships, only Magnus Carlsen held all 3 titles at the same time (rapid, blitz and regular).

This because chess game is really a broad game when it comes to strategic move and defenses. It is really hard to outsmart pro players so everygame is a tough game. It is just one have to do analyzation on the opponnents favorite move and how can one avoid it. Making it online makes.it easier.to.analyze the opponents move in the videos that could be replay again.

So I am positive that chess game could be able to be added in the esports games with geniuses players around the world.

The video part is interesting. I guess an alternative to that in physical chess game would be to attend most of your favorite player/players games and observe his methods from start to finish,and possibly record him playing, if that is allowed.
I suspect some have tricks they would never reveal to anyone

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Quote from: erikoy on August 04, 2020, 04:58:24 AM

Quote from: babygun on August 04, 2020, 04:50:13 AM

Quote from: Ucy on August 04, 2020, 04:01:13 AM

-snip

I notice they even have the lower time rapid bullet moves: Hyperbullet (30-second-per-player) and Ultrabullet (15-second-per-player).
I guess a good player should be able to understand and quickly predict what its opponent will do, right? Sounds like "understand, predict & play" will play a big role in the outcome of the quick move games.

Yes and no. Any world class player needs some time to think about their next move, especially in "mid game". Opening sequence and end game can happen very quickly.
If you look at the World Championships, only Magnus Carlsen held all 3 titles at the same time (rapid, blitz and regular).

This because chess game is really a broad game when it comes to strategic move and defenses. It is really hard to outsmart pro players so everygame is a tough game. It is just one have to do analyzation on the opponnents favorite move and how can one avoid it. Making it online makes.it easier.to.analyze the opponents move in the videos that could be replay again.

So I am positive that chess game could be able to be added in the esports games with geniuses players around the world.

The pro players are a different league.

I played a simultan game against Yasser Seirawan (Champion of the USA 1986) . Even he used a fraction of the time I use I didn't had any chance.

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Quote from: babygun on August 04, 2020, 04:50:13 AM

Quote from: Ucy on August 04, 2020, 04:01:13 AM

-snip

I notice they even have the lower time rapid bullet moves: Hyperbullet (30-second-per-player) and Ultrabullet (15-second-per-player).
I guess a good player should be able to understand and quickly predict what its opponent will do, right? Sounds like "understand, predict & play" will play a big role in the outcome of the quick move games.

Yes and no. Any world class player needs some time to think about their next move, especially in "mid game". Opening sequence and end game can happen very quickly.
If you look at the World Championships, only Magnus Carlsen held all 3 titles at the same time (rapid, blitz and regular).

This because chess game is really a broad game when it comes to strategic move and defenses. It is really hard to outsmart pro players so everygame is a tough game. It is just one have to do analyzation on the opponnents favorite move and how can one avoid it. Making it online makes.it easier.to.analyze the opponents move in the videos that could be replay again.

So I am positive that chess game could be able to be added in the esports games with geniuses players around the world.

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Quote from: Ucy on August 04, 2020, 04:01:13 AM

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Quote from: dre1982 on August 03, 2020, 02:57:03 PM

It would be exciting to bet on rapid bullet chess games. In those games the better players lose some more often then in the regular games.

That is a quick game and each player is required to made a move within a certain period of time given. If there will be a game mode like this, I'll never join it. I'm not saying that I'm a bad chess player, I know how a to play but this is a mind game and you should be quick if you'll ever be in that mode.
Is that official mode and rules with an official chess match?

I notice they even have the lower time rapid bullet moves: Hyperbullet (30-second-per-player) and Ultrabullet (15-second-per-player).
I guess a good player should be able to understand and quickly predict what its opponent will do, right? Sounds like "understand, predict & play" will play a big role in the outcome of the quick move games.

It's a mind game and players should always be in advanced thinking before committing a move. In my observation of the players that I've met personally, they have already a strategy that they have on their minds and which piece to move. They don't think that much as long as they will follow the plan and will counter if the move is countered by the opponent. I admit that these mind games, isn't for everyone but getting into crypto this sounds fun and interesting.

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Quote from: Ucy on August 04, 2020, 04:01:13 AM

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I notice they even have the lower time rapid bullet moves: Hyperbullet (30-second-per-player) and Ultrabullet (15-second-per-player).
I guess a good player should be able to understand and quickly predict what its opponent will do, right? Sounds like "understand, predict & play" will play a big role in the outcome of the quick move games.

Yes and no. Any world class player needs some time to think about their next move, especially in "mid game". Opening sequence and end game can happen very quickly.
If you look at the World Championships, only Magnus Carlsen held all 3 titles at the same time (rapid, blitz and regular).

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Quote from: Ucy on August 04, 2020, 04:01:13 AM

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Quote from: dre1982 on August 03, 2020, 02:57:03 PM

It would be exciting to bet on rapid bullet chess games. In those games the better players lose some more often then in the regular games.

That is a quick game and each player is required to made a move within a certain period of time given. If there will be a game mode like this, I'll never join it. I'm not saying that I'm a bad chess player, I know how a to play but this is a mind game and you should be quick if you'll ever be in that mode.
Is that official mode and rules with an official chess match?

I notice they even have the lower time rapid bullet moves: Hyperbullet (30-second-per-player) and Ultrabullet (15-second-per-player).
I guess a good player should be able to understand and quickly predict what its opponent will do, right? Sounds like "understand, predict & play" will play a big role in the outcome of the quick move games.

It is based on experience they will know the possible move of other players since they have many matches play already. In first look its really hard to do this mostly those with timer of only 15 seconds per move . We never how long they play and train there self to be qualify in tournaments.

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Quote from: batang_bitcoin on August 03, 2020, 06:20:29 PM

Quote from: dre1982 on August 03, 2020, 02:57:03 PM

It would be exciting to bet on rapid bullet chess games. In those games the better players lose some more often then in the regular games.

That is a quick game and each player is required to made a move within a certain period of time given. If there will be a game mode like this, I'll never join it. I'm not saying that I'm a bad chess player, I know how a to play but this is a mind game and you should be quick if you'll ever be in that mode.
Is that official mode and rules with an official chess match?

I notice they even have the lower time rapid bullet moves: Hyperbullet (30-second-per-player) and Ultrabullet (15-second-per-player).
I guess a good player should be able to understand and quickly predict what its opponent will do, right? Sounds like "understand, predict & play" will play a big role in the outcome of the quick move games.

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Quote from: dre1982 on August 04, 2020, 02:26:57 AM

Quote from: batang_bitcoin on August 03, 2020, 06:20:29 PM

Quote from: dre1982 on August 03, 2020, 02:57:03 PM

It would be exciting to bet on rapid bullet chess games. In those games the better players lose some more often then in the regular games.

That is a quick game and each player is required to made a move within a certain period of time given. If there will be a game mode like this, I'll never join it. I'm not saying that I'm a bad chess player, I know how a to play but this is a mind game and you should be quick if you'll ever be in that mode.
Is that official mode and rules with an official chess match?

Well there are a lot world championships for rapid and blitz chess. Rapid is mostly around the 20min per player per game. Blitz is between the 5min/10min.There is also ligthning chess. That's with 1 or 2 minute per player per game. That fun the watch but very difficult to play.

For some 30 seconds is 'almost' enough for a whole game: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GL-uWmw4YMA

Thanks! I haven't followed tournaments but I do love playing chess so there are too many game modes and matches which players can join. I can't think that I'm able to cope up if ever I'll land into that kind of match whether it's an official or just a game with someone that I know.
This is why it's a good decision to admire those best of the best chess players in the world and even locally.

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Quote from: batang_bitcoin on August 03, 2020, 06:20:29 PM

Quote from: dre1982 on August 03, 2020, 02:57:03 PM

It would be exciting to bet on rapid bullet chess games. In those games the better players lose some more often then in the regular games.

That is a quick game and each player is required to made a move within a certain period of time given. If there will be a game mode like this, I'll never join it. I'm not saying that I'm a bad chess player, I know how a to play but this is a mind game and you should be quick if you'll ever be in that mode.
Is that official mode and rules with an official chess match?

Well there are a lot world championships for rapid and blitz chess. Rapid is mostly around the 20min per player per game. Blitz is between the 5min/10min.There is also ligthning chess. That's with 1 or 2 minute per player per game. That fun the watch but very difficult to play.

For some 30 seconds is 'almost' enough for a whole game: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GL-uWmw4YMA

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Quote from: dre1982 on August 03, 2020, 02:57:03 PM

It would be exciting to bet on rapid bullet chess games. In those games the better players lose some more often then in the regular games.

That is a quick game and each player is required to made a move within a certain period of time given. If there will be a game mode like this, I'll never join it. I'm not saying that I'm a bad chess player, I know how a to play but this is a mind game and you should be quick if you'll ever be in that mode.
Is that official mode and rules with an official chess match?

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Quote from: gadado on July 31, 2020, 09:46:19 AM

Haven't think of this one. I wonder why there's no chess on a sports betting even though we are aware that there are some tournaments having especially through this pandemic we currently have I think they found it boring watch though but for me I think it's a great idea to include it along with the eSports betting.

There's not much excitement among bettors in Chess, so they only include sports that has a lot of excitement like basketball boxing among others, anyway they have their own big chess sites in the internet and we have many club all over the world and Fide the chess governing body, is one the largest sports federation in the world.

That is true, chess isn't very exciting and dynamic sport so probably it doesn't attract many gamblers. In.fact I don't know anyone who bets on chess and who is actually following that sport. However, since its listed on sport betting sides there are probably enough players who like to bet on chess although for me that would be too boring and I wouldn't know where to start.

It would be exciting to bet on rapid bullet chess games. In those games the better players lose some more often then in the regular games.

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Quote from: South Park on July 26, 2020, 11:32:56 AM

I think that one of the things that detracts from the popularity of chess among gamblers is that simply many do not see it as a game in which you could bet, the nature of many of the games in which you can bet includes a very important random factor or at least is not heavily reduced, but in the case of chess this factor has been reduced to the absolute minimum, so many do not consider very exciting the idea of betting on a chess match compared to the way they would do so for a soccer match.

This is what about i talked before in this thread. Word in word. You're highly correct about that. In chess, in most games, for a people who knows about the game and players, it will be obvious which one will win. The part of "probability" is significant low (as you said in your post).

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Quote from: gadado on July 31, 2020, 09:46:19 AM

Haven't think of this one. I wonder why there's no chess on a sports betting even though we are aware that there are some tournaments having especially through this pandemic we currently have I think they found it boring watch though but for me I think it's a great idea to include it along with the eSports betting.

There's not much excitement among bettors in Chess, so they only include sports that has a lot of excitement like basketball boxing among others, anyway they have their own big chess sites in the internet and we have many club all over the world and Fide the chess governing body, is one the largest sports federation in the world.

That is true, chess isn't very exciting and dynamic sport so probably it doesn't attract many gamblers. In.fact I don't know anyone who bets on chess and who is actually following that sport. However, since its listed on sport betting sides there are probably enough players who like to bet on chess although for me that would be too boring and I wouldn't know where to start.

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Quote from: gadado on July 31, 2020, 09:46:19 AM

Haven't think of this one. I wonder why there's no chess on a sports betting even though we are aware that there are some tournaments having especially through this pandemic we currently have I think they found it boring watch though but for me I think it's a great idea to include it along with the eSports betting.

There's not much excitement among bettors in Chess, so they only include sports that has a lot of excitement like basketball boxing among others, anyway they have their own big chess sites in the internet and we have many club all over the world and Fide the chess governing body, is one the largest sports federation in the world.

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