I have also seen may news stories of Russian children being taken away from parents for no apparent reason.
This has been going-on for many years now. I believe it to be politically motivated as well as financially motivated.
These private services are paid very well by the government for taking and housing these children away from the parents.
Stay away from Norway and Finland if you have children!
Topic: Child Kidnappings by the Western-European States - page 12. (Read 72947 times)
Yes, I know, I wasn't trying to turn it into some political question when I wrote "Russia / Chechniya", quite the contrary.
Marianne, sorry if my previous comment came out harsher than it should have. This is a carry-over from the other, politically charged threads, where I am trying to be as pedantic as possible, when it comes to definitions, as I am often on the defensive with regard to topics that concern Russia.
Back to the topic at hand, where I am in full agreement with you: solution to this problem must transcend nationalities, politics and country boundaries.
Wow, this thread has turned into so many arguments. You guys should cool down a bit.
Anarchists in particular like to debate about things instead of avoid a topic
This is pretty normal we talk about all sorts of stuff 
Marianne, just a note: Checheniya is Russia, …….
This case was thus also within Astahov's jurisdiction from the Russian side.
Yes, I know, I wasn't trying to turn it into some political question when I wrote "Russia / Chechniya", quite the contrary. I think I might perhaps have written in the same way about Kamchatka, for that matter. Rather, I feel that regardless of what we think of all sorts of in themselves important questions in life, regarding child protection the central point is: Children need to be with THEIR OWN parents or other close relatives if AT ALL possible, in all kinds of societies.
Do not misunderstand me, folks: It is NOT possible if the parents ill-treat or abuse the child and cannot be trusted to stop.
In this case I agree that Astahov's hand is important and can only be positive.
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… it's one of the financially better off regions of Russia).
All the better if so, but not even that is the most decisive thing. – I remember a case about 20 years ago, it was something like this:
Some Cubans, a mother with a small son, got into a boat and headed for Miami, as refugees . The boat capsized and the boy was the only survivor. He was rescued by the American coast-guard and brought to some distant relatives of his in Miami. His father and mother had been divorced. The father had not objected to his son going with the mother, but now he of course wanted his son to return to himself. There was a lot of hullabaloo in Florida, which has a large community of Cubans hostile to communist Cuba, saying the boy must not be "victimised" by Cuba and "forced" to go back; the boy's relatives claimed to love him so very deeply (after having known him for a few weeks or even just a few days) that they could not do without him. Quite materialistic arguments (actually quite like a communistic way of thinking, Nemo?) about life and politics being so much better in the USA were very prominent - so many people shouting at the top of their lungs about how terrible it would be if the boy was going to go back to Cuba, that his father in Cuba was very poor, and his mother having wanted him to go to the USA, and Cuba being the big bad Satan.
Cuba was not too fond of people escaping to the USA but they allowed the father to go peacefully and try to get his son back (the father was not an oppositional and it was positive advertisement for Cuba). The American social authorities kept him there for some little time, I think with the usual mumbo-jumbo which we know so well: they had to see whether the boy "could get used to him" etc. It ended with father and son going back to Cuba. – Which I think must have been the best thing. Even if the boy had not been living with his father before but with his mother, neither the political conditions nor a modest economic standard (as long as neither was an absolute, life-threatening disaster) should trump the principle of the boy being with his own parent.
The importance of the parent-child bond is what social services are taught to disrespect and forget, and so that is what we have to work to have reinstated.
http://www.ceskenoviny.cz/tema/zpravy/zemanovi-se-nelibi-postup-norskych-uradu-v-pripade-ceskych-deti/1177922&id_seznam=35
The Czech president is not pleased.
The president of the republic expressed his dissatisfaction with the actions of Norway services, which are keeping all documents relevant for the assessment of the whole issue secrete and asked the ambassador of the Norwegian Kingdom to keep him up to inform about the whole issue.
The Czech president is not pleased.
The president of the republic expressed his dissatisfaction with the actions of Norway services, which are keeping all documents relevant for the assessment of the whole issue secrete and asked the ambassador of the Norwegian Kingdom to keep him up to inform about the whole issue.
….. ...
it seems one happy end
http://www.aftenposten.no/nyheter/iriks/Somaja-8-og-Rajana-6-bortfort-pa-vei-fra-skolen-7598891.html
it seems one happy end
http://www.aftenposten.no/nyheter/iriks/Somaja-8-og-Rajana-6-bortfort-pa-vei-fra-skolen-7598891.html
We know more about this story. I can't guarantee to remember correctly every detail, but it is possible to locate it in various articles.
Both parents are originally from Chechniya. The father and mother were divorced, both living in Norway. The father ran a business here. The father was/is married again, this time too to a Chechen woman, I think. They had two younger children.
The CPS took the two older children, two girls, and placed them in a foster home. When the CPS started their actions, the father's new wife and their children very wisely went back to Chechniya. The CPS were very angry about this, they had of course planned to take those children also. The father, with some help, got hold of the two older children and succeeded in bringing them to Russia / Chechniya, and he went there himself. The CPS tried to get the girls' mother to make trouble and demand they be taken back to Norway since she was here. A warrant was out for the father.
The father a little later made a statement that he would come back to Norway with the daughters if the CPS would give him a solemn promise never to do this - meaning take them away - again.
This is as naïve and stubborn as can be - he should have informed himself of realities and known better: The CPS can never make such a promise, by legislation they have no right to promise never to take a child. On the contrary, they are obliged by law to take a child if they 'suspect' or know that the child is in the need of …… (you know all the nice-sounding words - - -). And if the CPS in this case had said, in a sort of half-baked promise, that at the moment there was no occasion to take the girls again, that would not be binding, and at the same time there would be an uproar in CPS circles and the ministry and all sorts of places, because: how could a CPS office say that girls who were in their care and who were 'abducted' by their father (who had already been found to be unsuited/dangerous), were suddenly not in need of CPS care? That would be to admit that there was no need for the CPS at all.
In other words, the father spoke as if he believed that the local CPS office had done something a bit silly, which they would be suitably ashamed of, like naughty children, when he 'corrected' them.
Well, anyway, the CPS said nothing of the sort. The father meanwhile had financial trouble because he was not in Norway taking care of his business together with his business partner. So one day he returned to Norway in order to work, thinking that he could do it undisturbed. The girls were left in Chechniya, together with their younger siblings and their step-mother, I think.
And of course the father was arrested and put in jail pending trial as soon as he arrived.
I haven't gone after the story after that, so I don't know if there actually was a court case and, if so, what the outcome was. One gets quite exhausted at all these people (there have actually been many) who manage to save their children and then they think that they can come back after a while and nothing will happen? As if they have just had an innocent disagreement with the CPS, and the CPS would have simmered down now and realised that they had been overly dramatic and now they would be sensible and listen to the parents and let themselves be guided by the parents.
I admit I lost interest in the Chechen father. Many of these families even bring their children back with them. They think they can start afresh, after some months or a couple of years. Hah! I remember a parent or two who used to ring me up and sort of complain when I wouldn't tell them that of course they could come back now because it had all been just like a quarrel between two children, who made up and became friends again after a little while. These parents would get angry with me when I said "No, you must stay away, and you children must never set foot here until they are of age" (18 years old and their own masters). And preferably not even return then, because the CPS will be after them to take their own children if they have children in Norway, just to prove that they had bad parents so now they have become bad parents themselves. (Very primitive determinism, in other words.)
Most CPS victims who contact me and people like me, do not really want to hear the grim truth. They want me to say something they hope will be true.
But you were right, I think, Naine: it was a happy ending for the two girls, I think. Better to be in difficult Chechniya with relatives than in Norway with people obviously making money out of working as fosterers for the CPS, cut off from their own family altogether.
Marianne, just a note: Checheniya is Russia, it's a federative subject within RF (and it's one of the financially better off regions of Russia).
This case was thus also within Astahov's jurisdiction from the Russian side.
Well, at least to foreigners in Norway:
Never talk with the CPS. Insist that everything has to be in writing.
At the first indication that they want a psychologist to talk with you or they want to visit your home or talk with your children:
Get out of the country!
Make do with whatever income you can make in your own country, or some other non-Western country.
It may be hard, but having the bonds to your children violated is harder.
Do not wait: Pack 3 plastic bags with only the basic necessities for the children. If you are seen about with ordinary luggage, the CPS will stop you and take the children on an emergency decision.
When the children have been placed in a safe country, you may return to pack up properly, or even better: get friends to do that.
Do not tell people that you will be going, there are many who may report you to the CPS.
Do not book airline tickets or boat tickets, nor should you go in your own car to Sweden. Go preferably by anonymous bus. Get yourselves to Oslo, for example, there are several buses running every hour from the bus terminal in Oslo.
Very important:
1) You must go before a case over transfer of care has been opened in the County Committee, and if you are after all caught in one, then certainly before such a case has been completed. After such a case, your child belongs to the Norwegian state.
2) Get a "moving" form (flyttemelding) from the National Census register (Folkeregisteret), which is managed by the taxation office, or better: get it from the internet, fill it in properly, and post it registered mail as soon as possible after you leave, so that it is officially registered that your children (and preferably yourself) have moved out of Norway. In that way the authorities cannot claim that you are just away on a holiday, in which case they could go ahead with a CPS case without you being there.
3) Do not be too optimistic - do not come back. The local CPS will not have forgotten you, and CPS offices all over the country are equally terrible - there might be a few odd exceptions in a few odd places for a while, but they are exceptions, and they will not be able to stand up against a report against you from another source.
Never talk with the CPS. Insist that everything has to be in writing.
At the first indication that they want a psychologist to talk with you or they want to visit your home or talk with your children:
Get out of the country!
Make do with whatever income you can make in your own country, or some other non-Western country.
It may be hard, but having the bonds to your children violated is harder.
Do not wait: Pack 3 plastic bags with only the basic necessities for the children. If you are seen about with ordinary luggage, the CPS will stop you and take the children on an emergency decision.
When the children have been placed in a safe country, you may return to pack up properly, or even better: get friends to do that.
Do not tell people that you will be going, there are many who may report you to the CPS.
Do not book airline tickets or boat tickets, nor should you go in your own car to Sweden. Go preferably by anonymous bus. Get yourselves to Oslo, for example, there are several buses running every hour from the bus terminal in Oslo.
Very important:
1) You must go before a case over transfer of care has been opened in the County Committee, and if you are after all caught in one, then certainly before such a case has been completed. After such a case, your child belongs to the Norwegian state.
2) Get a "moving" form (flyttemelding) from the National Census register (Folkeregisteret), which is managed by the taxation office, or better: get it from the internet, fill it in properly, and post it registered mail as soon as possible after you leave, so that it is officially registered that your children (and preferably yourself) have moved out of Norway. In that way the authorities cannot claim that you are just away on a holiday, in which case they could go ahead with a CPS case without you being there.
3) Do not be too optimistic - do not come back. The local CPS will not have forgotten you, and CPS offices all over the country are equally terrible - there might be a few odd exceptions in a few odd places for a while, but they are exceptions, and they will not be able to stand up against a report against you from another source.
This list should be handed out to all hopeful visa applicants to Norway, who plan to take children with them!
By the way, it would make a nice leaflet material for the Czech demonstration.
An interesting comprehensive site from US:
http://medicalkidnap.com/news/page/2/
….. ...
it seems one happy end
http://www.aftenposten.no/nyheter/iriks/Somaja-8-og-Rajana-6-bortfort-pa-vei-fra-skolen-7598891.html
it seems one happy end
http://www.aftenposten.no/nyheter/iriks/Somaja-8-og-Rajana-6-bortfort-pa-vei-fra-skolen-7598891.html
We know more about this story. I can't guarantee to remember correctly every detail, but it is possible to locate it in various articles.
Both parents are originally from Chechniya. The father and mother were divorced, both living in Norway. The father ran a business here. The father was/is married again, this time too to a Chechen woman, I think. They had two younger children.
The CPS took the two older children, two girls, and placed them in a foster home. When the CPS started their actions, the father's new wife and their children very wisely went back to Chechniya. The CPS were very angry about this, they had of course planned to take those children also. The father, with some help, got hold of the two older children and succeeded in bringing them to Russia / Chechniya, and he went there himself. The CPS tried to get the girls' mother to make trouble and demand they be taken back to Norway since she was here. A warrant was out for the father.
The father a little later made a statement that he would come back to Norway with the daughters if the CPS would give him a solemn promise never to do this - meaning take them away - again.
This is as naïve and stubborn as can be - he should have informed himself of realities and known better: The CPS can never make such a promise, by legislation they have no right to promise never to take a child. On the contrary, they are obliged by law to take a child if they 'suspect' or know that the child is in the need of …… (you know all the nice-sounding words - - -). And if the CPS in this case had said, in a sort of half-baked promise, that at the moment there was no occasion to take the girls again, that would not be binding, and at the same time there would be an uproar in CPS circles and the ministry and all sorts of places, because: how could a CPS office say that girls who were in their care and who were 'abducted' by their father (who had already been found to be unsuited/dangerous), were suddenly not in need of CPS care? That would be to admit that there was no need for the CPS at all.
In other words, the father spoke as if he believed that the local CPS office had done something a bit silly, which they would be suitably ashamed of, like naughty children, when he 'corrected' them.
Well, anyway, the CPS said nothing of the sort. The father meanwhile had financial trouble because he was not in Norway taking care of his business together with his business partner. So one day he returned to Norway in order to work, thinking that he could do it undisturbed. The girls were left in Chechniya, together with their younger siblings and their step-mother, I think.
And of course the father was arrested and put in jail pending trial as soon as he arrived.
I haven't gone after the story after that, so I don't know if there actually was a court case and, if so, what the outcome was. One gets quite exhausted at all these people (there have actually been many) who manage to save their children and then they think that they can come back after a while and nothing will happen? As if they have just had an innocent disagreement with the CPS, and the CPS would have simmered down now and realised that they had been overly dramatic and now they would be sensible and listen to the parents and let themselves be guided by the parents.
I admit I lost interest in the Chechen father. Many of these families even bring their children back with them. They think they can start afresh, after some months or a couple of years. Hah! I remember a parent or two who used to ring me up and sort of complain when I wouldn't tell them that of course they could come back now because it had all been just like a quarrel between two children, who made up and became friends again after a little while. These parents would get angry with me when I said "No, you must stay away, and you children must never set foot here until they are of age" (18 years old and their own masters). And preferably not even return then, because the CPS will be after them to take their own children if they have children in Norway, just to prove that they had bad parents so now they have become bad parents themselves. (Very primitive determinism, in other words.)
Most CPS victims who contact me and people like me, do not really want to hear the grim truth. They want me to say something they hope will be true.
But you were right, I think, Naine: it was a happy ending for the two girls, I think. Better to be in difficult Chechniya with relatives than in Norway with people obviously making money out of working as fosterers for the CPS, cut off from their own family altogether.
Protest against CPS
Tomorrow Dublin at 14.00
https://cs-cz.facebook.com/events/421950224648399/
Tomorrow London
https://cs-cz.facebook.com/events/1410648342562958/
The Czech republic - this weekend
http://jihlava.idnes.cz/transparenty-proti-barnevernet-pri-biatlonu-v-novem-meste-na-morave-1jd-/jihlava-zpravy.aspx?c=A150204_2136816_jihlava-zpravy_mv
2000 leaflets in Czech, English, Russians and Norwegian were printed. The aim is also to inform Russians if they have problems they should to contact the group.
The message is : "Were you kidnapped by Barnverent? Do you want back do mommy. We will help you."
Tomorrow Dublin at 14.00
https://cs-cz.facebook.com/events/421950224648399/
Tomorrow London
https://cs-cz.facebook.com/events/1410648342562958/
The Czech republic - this weekend
http://jihlava.idnes.cz/transparenty-proti-barnevernet-pri-biatlonu-v-novem-meste-na-morave-1jd-/jihlava-zpravy.aspx?c=A150204_2136816_jihlava-zpravy_mv
2000 leaflets in Czech, English, Russians and Norwegian were printed. The aim is also to inform Russians if they have problems they should to contact the group.
The message is : "Were you kidnapped by Barnverent? Do you want back do mommy. We will help you."
there is some info about Czech protests
https://www.facebook.com/BarnevernetStealsChildren
video
English subtitles
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uVvLZwy5OmE&feature=youtu.be
some subtitles
http://www.ceskatelevize.cz/ct24/nejnovejsi-videa/296115-ct-vyrazila-po-stopach-ceskych-deti-odebranych-v-norsku/
Lithuania
http://en.delfi.lt/global-lt/norways-ambassador-ulland-child-welfare-is-top-consideration-for-norwegian-institutions-regardless-of-citizenship.d?id=65467404
protest
http://www.delfi.lt/news/daily/lithuania/prie-norvegijos-ambasados-piketavo-pasipiktine-lietuviai.d?id=67071834
it seems one happy end
http://www.aftenposten.no/nyheter/iriks/Somaja-8-og-Rajana-6-bortfort-pa-vei-fra-skolen-7598891.html
https://www.facebook.com/BarnevernetStealsChildren
video
English subtitles
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uVvLZwy5OmE&feature=youtu.be
some subtitles
http://www.ceskatelevize.cz/ct24/nejnovejsi-videa/296115-ct-vyrazila-po-stopach-ceskych-deti-odebranych-v-norsku/
Lithuania
http://en.delfi.lt/global-lt/norways-ambassador-ulland-child-welfare-is-top-consideration-for-norwegian-institutions-regardless-of-citizenship.d?id=65467404
protest
http://www.delfi.lt/news/daily/lithuania/prie-norvegijos-ambasados-piketavo-pasipiktine-lietuviai.d?id=67071834
it seems one happy end
http://www.aftenposten.no/nyheter/iriks/Somaja-8-og-Rajana-6-bortfort-pa-vei-fra-skolen-7598891.html
I have updated the thread on Forum RVB about the 7-year-old Lithuanian boy, to a great extent on the basis of Naine's posting on 2 Feb at 09:46:32 am and Nemo's translation of 2 Feb at 02:33:52 pm.
http://forum.r-b-v.net/viewtopic.php?p=35143#p35143
http://forum.r-b-v.net/viewtopic.php?p=35149#p35149
http://forum.r-b-v.net/viewtopic.php?p=35159#p35159
I am not at all satisfied with my last two postings there, they should have been shorter and more concise, but I lack the energy to be less longwinded!
That case by now gives a lot of clear information which I, with a deep sigh, hope the needy will trouble to read. I wish foreigners bringing children here to Norway would take it seriously. I could wish for my own countrymen to take it seriously also, but there is less hope of that.
Well, at least to foreigners in Norway:
Never talk with the CPS. Insist that everything has to be in writing.
At the first indication that they want a psychologist to talk with you or they want to visit your home or talk with your children:
Get out of the country!
Make do with whatever income you can make in your own country, or some other non-Western country.
It may be hard, but having the bonds to your children violated is harder.
Do not wait: Pack 3 plastic bags with only the basic necessities for the children. If you are seen about with ordinary luggage, the CPS will stop you and take the children on an emergency decision.
When the children have been placed in a safe country, you may return to pack up properly, or even better: get friends to do that.
Do not tell people that you will be going, there are many who may report you to the CPS.
Do not book airline tickets or boat tickets, nor should you go in your own car to Sweden. Go preferably by anonymous bus. Get yourselves to Oslo, for example, there are several buses running every hour from the bus terminal in Oslo.
Very important:
1) You must go before a case over transfer of care has been opened in the County Committee, and if you are after all caught in one, then certainly before such a case has been completed. After such a case, your child belongs to the Norwegian state.
2) Get a "moving" form (flyttemelding) from the National Census register (Folkeregisteret), which is managed by the taxation office, or better: get it from the internet, fill it in properly, and post it registered mail as soon as possible after you leave, so that it is officially registered that your children (and preferably yourself) have moved out of Norway. In that way the authorities cannot claim that you are just away on a holiday, in which case they could go ahead with a CPS case without you being there.
3) Do not be too optimistic - do not come back. The local CPS will not have forgotten you, and CPS offices all over the country are equally terrible - there might be a few odd exceptions in a few odd places for a while, but they are exceptions, and they will not be able to stand up against a report against you from another source.
The topic mentions that even tourist could face problems. What do they do with the citizenship of the child ?
Do they give automatic citinzenship of Norway after an incident like this ?
Do they give automatic citinzenship of Norway after an incident like this ?
That is an interesting question. The children of the guest workers, abducted by the state, retain their original citizenship. Moreover, their permit to stay in Norway is, in theory, tied to the permit of their parents. They cannot be deprived of their original citizenship - only the home-country can release them of it. I guess they are given some kind of "refugee" visa by Norway. In any case, the way CPS acts, it seems to be above the law.
The topic mentions that even tourist could face problems. What do they do with the citizenship of the child ?
Do they give automatic citinzenship of Norway after an incident like this ?
Do they give automatic citinzenship of Norway after an incident like this ?
doubt its like that, there would instantly be people trying to abuse this fact.
but that law they have is so brutal, i think ppl think twice before even having kids.. or is the law more opened to interpretation.
The topic mentions that even tourist could face problems. What do they do with the citizenship of the child ?
Do they give automatic citinzenship of Norway after an incident like this ?
Do they give automatic citinzenship of Norway after an incident like this ?
News from Lithuania
http://ru.delfi.lt/news/live/shveciya-vernula-pohischennogo-litovkoj-malchika-v-norvegiyu.d?id=67058938
http://ru.delfi.lt/news/live/shveciya-vernula-pohischennogo-litovkoj-malchika-v-norvegiyu.d?id=67058938
Hoho, seems interesting - now who can summarise / translate this Russian for us? (Guess who I am thinking of. Or are you Russian-proficient yourself, Naine?)
This is bad. Here's a quick translation:
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Lithuanian Foreign Ministry received on Monday morning information that the minor citizen of Lithuania G.B. has already been passed by the Swedish authorities on to the Norwegian CPS on January 28th.
Now the official confirmation and explanation of the circumstances of the incident is being awaited.
Lithuanian Ambassador to Sweden Eitvydas Bajarunas asked for an urgent meeting in the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of Sweden, to find out why Lithuania was not promptly informed of the transfer of the minor Lithuanian citizen to the social services in Sweden, as well as the circumstances of the transfer of a citizen of Lithuania to Norway.
Lithuanian Embassy in Sweden received on the 29th of January an appeal from the mother of a minor G.B., and started acting immediately, and it took contact with the Swedish Foreign Ministry, social services and the police.
Lithuanian Embassy in Norway was making every effort to return the minor citizen of Lithuania to Lithuania, to protect the interests of the citizens of Lithuania and the welfare of the child.
To do this, the Lithuanian Foreign Ministry and the embassy in Norway use all legal channels - both formal and informal.
Lithuanian Embassy in Sweden urgently asked the officials of this country to find out why Lithuania was not immediately provided with the information on the transfer of the kidnapped in Norway minor Lithuanian citizen to the social services of Sweden, but has not yet received a response.
Foreign Ministry spokesman Kestutis Vashkelyavichyus argues that the Lithuanian Embassy on Friday sent a note to the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of Sweden, but the official response has not yet been received.
"As soon as we received the information, the Lithuanian Embassy in Sweden at once contacted the police and the Ministry of Foreign Affairs, and liaises with the relatives of the minor citizen of Lithuania", - Vashkelyavichyus said on Sunday on Radio LRT.
According to him, the embassy and the ministry, understanding the subtlety of the issue and the pain of loved ones, is giving priority to this issue.
"The embassy many times appealed to the Norwegian Foreign Ministry in order to sign an agreement on cooperation in the field of child protection. Information that we do not care about this issue is untrue - Lithuania has repeatedly raised this issue,"- said the representative of Lithuania.
The Embassy in Sweden has asked the officials of this country to explain why Lithuania was not immediately informed on the transfer of the kidnapped in Norway minor citizen of Lithuania G.B. to the Swedish childcare services.
The Foreign Ministry said that the embassy addressed this issue in the Swedish Foreign Ministry, the police, social services. The Ministry states that they are monitoring the situation with the families of Lithuanian citizens from whom children were taken in Norway and other countries.
Missing last Monday in Norway and discovered in Sweden a seven-year G.B. is now under the supervision of CPS in Sweden.
According to the Norwegian police, the child went missing during a meeting with the biological mother Grażyna Leschinskene. Woman has been interrogated, the charges of deceiving officials have been brought against her.
Lithuanian Parental Forum issued an Open Letter to the President and responsible services on Saturday evening - it is requested to make every effort to ensure that the boy was returned to Lithuania, and let him live with the family.
Media reported that two Lithuanian families kidnapped their children from guardians in Norway last week. Angelica Stankunene arrived last Monday to Lithuania from Norway with her seven-year son.
Now the official confirmation and explanation of the circumstances of the incident is being awaited.
Lithuanian Ambassador to Sweden Eitvydas Bajarunas asked for an urgent meeting in the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of Sweden, to find out why Lithuania was not promptly informed of the transfer of the minor Lithuanian citizen to the social services in Sweden, as well as the circumstances of the transfer of a citizen of Lithuania to Norway.
Lithuanian Embassy in Sweden received on the 29th of January an appeal from the mother of a minor G.B., and started acting immediately, and it took contact with the Swedish Foreign Ministry, social services and the police.
Lithuanian Embassy in Norway was making every effort to return the minor citizen of Lithuania to Lithuania, to protect the interests of the citizens of Lithuania and the welfare of the child.
To do this, the Lithuanian Foreign Ministry and the embassy in Norway use all legal channels - both formal and informal.
Lithuanian Embassy in Sweden urgently asked the officials of this country to find out why Lithuania was not immediately provided with the information on the transfer of the kidnapped in Norway minor Lithuanian citizen to the social services of Sweden, but has not yet received a response.
Foreign Ministry spokesman Kestutis Vashkelyavichyus argues that the Lithuanian Embassy on Friday sent a note to the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of Sweden, but the official response has not yet been received.
"As soon as we received the information, the Lithuanian Embassy in Sweden at once contacted the police and the Ministry of Foreign Affairs, and liaises with the relatives of the minor citizen of Lithuania", - Vashkelyavichyus said on Sunday on Radio LRT.
According to him, the embassy and the ministry, understanding the subtlety of the issue and the pain of loved ones, is giving priority to this issue.
"The embassy many times appealed to the Norwegian Foreign Ministry in order to sign an agreement on cooperation in the field of child protection. Information that we do not care about this issue is untrue - Lithuania has repeatedly raised this issue,"- said the representative of Lithuania.
The Embassy in Sweden has asked the officials of this country to explain why Lithuania was not immediately informed on the transfer of the kidnapped in Norway minor citizen of Lithuania G.B. to the Swedish childcare services.
The Foreign Ministry said that the embassy addressed this issue in the Swedish Foreign Ministry, the police, social services. The Ministry states that they are monitoring the situation with the families of Lithuanian citizens from whom children were taken in Norway and other countries.
Missing last Monday in Norway and discovered in Sweden a seven-year G.B. is now under the supervision of CPS in Sweden.
According to the Norwegian police, the child went missing during a meeting with the biological mother Grażyna Leschinskene. Woman has been interrogated, the charges of deceiving officials have been brought against her.
Lithuanian Parental Forum issued an Open Letter to the President and responsible services on Saturday evening - it is requested to make every effort to ensure that the boy was returned to Lithuania, and let him live with the family.
Media reported that two Lithuanian families kidnapped their children from guardians in Norway last week. Angelica Stankunene arrived last Monday to Lithuania from Norway with her seven-year son.
And another article from today, about the Lithuanian petition:
http://ru.delfi.lt/news/live/zhivuschie-za-rubezhom-litovcy-trebuyut-vernut-peredannogo-norvegii-rebenka.d?id=67062704
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Lithuanians living abroad are demanding the return of the child transferred to Norway
If Lithuania is not be able to protect their children, it would undermine the confidence of our citizens in our country. This is stated by the authors of the petition in defense of the Lithuanian boy, whom Sweden gave not to Lithuania, but to Norway.
Petition which is actively signed by people, is distributed among Lithuanians living abroad. Its text reminds of §13 of Constitution of the Republic of Lithuania, which states: "The State of Lithuania takes care of its citizens abroad. Does not pass a citizen of Latvia to other country, if there is no relevant international agreement of Lithuania."
Lithuania and Sweden have signed an agreement on cooperation in the field of child protection, so "if the child is not returned to Lithuania, but to the temporary guardians in Norway, this agreement will be violated."
The initiators of a petition demanding that the President of the Republic of Latvia, the Ministry of Foreign Affairs, the protection of children's rights and adoption, the parliamentary group "For the welfare of children" and "For family" immediately figured out all the factual circumstances and made every effort to protect the rights of a citizen of Latvia.
They demand the return of the child to Lithuania and to provide the necessary assistance both to him and his family. And also to find out whether, the child can and wants to live with his parents.
"If the life with the parents does not represent a real danger to the health and life of the child, please let him live with his family," - said in the petition.
Detained in Sweden
DELFI already said that on Monday a 7-year-old boy G.B. disappeared in Norway and was found in Sweden, who for some time was in the hands of the Swedish CPS. In accordance with the bilateral agreement with Lithuania he had to be transferred to Lithuania, however, as it turned out on February 2, he is already time in Norway.
According to the Norwegian police, the child went missing during a meeting with his biological mother in the city of Molde. Woman questioned in connection with the abduction of a child, and was accused that she lied to the enforcers.
Mom: They did everything quietly
"That's all; this time I lost him," - said in an interview with DELFI the mother of the boy who was transferred to Norway.
The woman said she last saw her son on 26 January. After the meeting, the boy was taken by his uncle, who had the authority to go with his nephew, and he tried to take the child in Lithuania, but was spotted by Swedish services in a cabin of a vessel.
"He was allowed to go to Lithuania, but the boy was taken away. According to all the agreements they were to return the boy to the Lithuanian services, but returned to Norway instead" - the woman cannot believe what had happened.
She repeated that she had no hope to return her son. "Half an hour ago I found out that he was in Norway, and for a long time. They did everything quietly. Why did not they inform the embassy of Lithuania?" - questions the woman.
If Lithuania is not be able to protect their children, it would undermine the confidence of our citizens in our country. This is stated by the authors of the petition in defense of the Lithuanian boy, whom Sweden gave not to Lithuania, but to Norway.
Petition which is actively signed by people, is distributed among Lithuanians living abroad. Its text reminds of §13 of Constitution of the Republic of Lithuania, which states: "The State of Lithuania takes care of its citizens abroad. Does not pass a citizen of Latvia to other country, if there is no relevant international agreement of Lithuania."
Lithuania and Sweden have signed an agreement on cooperation in the field of child protection, so "if the child is not returned to Lithuania, but to the temporary guardians in Norway, this agreement will be violated."
The initiators of a petition demanding that the President of the Republic of Latvia, the Ministry of Foreign Affairs, the protection of children's rights and adoption, the parliamentary group "For the welfare of children" and "For family" immediately figured out all the factual circumstances and made every effort to protect the rights of a citizen of Latvia.
They demand the return of the child to Lithuania and to provide the necessary assistance both to him and his family. And also to find out whether, the child can and wants to live with his parents.
"If the life with the parents does not represent a real danger to the health and life of the child, please let him live with his family," - said in the petition.
Detained in Sweden
DELFI already said that on Monday a 7-year-old boy G.B. disappeared in Norway and was found in Sweden, who for some time was in the hands of the Swedish CPS. In accordance with the bilateral agreement with Lithuania he had to be transferred to Lithuania, however, as it turned out on February 2, he is already time in Norway.
According to the Norwegian police, the child went missing during a meeting with his biological mother in the city of Molde. Woman questioned in connection with the abduction of a child, and was accused that she lied to the enforcers.
Mom: They did everything quietly
"That's all; this time I lost him," - said in an interview with DELFI the mother of the boy who was transferred to Norway.
The woman said she last saw her son on 26 January. After the meeting, the boy was taken by his uncle, who had the authority to go with his nephew, and he tried to take the child in Lithuania, but was spotted by Swedish services in a cabin of a vessel.
"He was allowed to go to Lithuania, but the boy was taken away. According to all the agreements they were to return the boy to the Lithuanian services, but returned to Norway instead" - the woman cannot believe what had happened.
She repeated that she had no hope to return her son. "Half an hour ago I found out that he was in Norway, and for a long time. They did everything quietly. Why did not they inform the embassy of Lithuania?" - questions the woman.
News from Lithuania
http://ru.delfi.lt/news/live/shveciya-vernula-pohischennogo-litovkoj-malchika-v-norvegiyu.d?id=67058938
http://ru.delfi.lt/news/live/shveciya-vernula-pohischennogo-litovkoj-malchika-v-norvegiyu.d?id=67058938
Hoho, seems interesting - now who can summarise / translate this Russian for us? (Guess who I am thinking of. Or are you Russian-proficient yourself, Naine?)
And from what I could gather from the articles, Norwegian CPS either separated the brother or plans to do so, while, as per standard forced integration practice, denies them lessons in Czech language, forcing them to forget their mother tongue.
The boys were separated and the mother is prohibited to speak with them in Czech. The language question is dynamite.
Nazzis had Lebensborn program initially set up in Germany in 1935, the program expanded into several occupied European countries with Germanic populations during the Second World War. It included the selection of "racially worthy" orphans including some children from Lidice
http://frr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lidice
There is a novel about a child in this program, how she fells lonely, "mother" does no love her...eventually she returns home, but she has problems with integration
http://www.amazon.com/They-Called-Lein-Zdenka-Bezdekova/dp/B000NPJF9E/ref=sr_1_2?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1422640532&sr=1-2
It used to be an obligatory reading, so the language question is hypersensitive.
Táňa Fischerová CT: Czech Helsinki Committee turns to the UN Committee on the Rights of the Child, to assess whether Norway during the removal of children and the implementation of foster care does not violate the Convention on the Rights of the Child.
Czech Helsinki Committee wishes to make a complaint to the UN Committee on the Rights of the Child on Norway for violation of the Convention on the Rights of the Child in the removal of children from Czech, Russian and Polish families. The child’s opinion is not taken into account in the proceedings, children should be with their mother regularly see and communicate, are targeted bond between siblings. According to the testimony of Russian children returned to them in foster families is not well treated, suffering from emotional stress.
http://www.helcom.cz/cs/en/tana-fischerova-v-ct-cesky-helsinsky-vybor-se-obrati-na-vybor-osn-pro-prava-ditete-aby-posoudil-zda-norsko-pri-odebirani-deti-a-pri-realizaci-nahradni-rodinne-pece-neporusuje-umluvu-o-pravech-ditet/
http://denikreferendum.cz/clanek/19633-evropa-hodnot
And from what I could gather from the articles, Norwegian CPS either separated the brother or plans to do so, while, as per standard forced integration practice, denies them lessons in Czech language, forcing them to forget their mother tongue.
I am very glad to hear that Naine thinks the issue will not die down in Czechia. The only way to achieve a change is for people to react strongly over every case, and not forget it, not shrug their shoulders, not to accept all the babble which official Norway comes up with.
It is not going away.
The Norway prime minister said: Get lost, I will do nothing.
http://www.tyden.cz/rubriky/domaci/norska-premierka-do-kauz-deti-zasahovat-nebudeme_331685.html#.VMth3aNwYwc
The government does not do very much, but the opposition see possibilities how to collect some points.
Jitka Chalánková was in Norway and she is not impressed.
http://www.parlamentnilisty.cz/politika/politici-volicum/Chalankova-TOP-09-Zmena-zakona-je-nutna-337857
She sais that Norway is in the breach of human rights
http://www.parlamentnilisty.cz/politika/politici-volicum/Chalankova-TOP-09-Pokud-selze-diplomacie-pozadam-snemovnu-o-zalobu-na-Norsko-355203
Petr Mach thinks that it is a business
http://www.parlamentnilisty.cz/politika/politici-volicum/Mach-Svobodni-Norsky-system-odebirani-deti-je-vynosny-kseft-359453
Tomáš Zdechovský is not pleased. It seems to him very strange that a mass murderer can see his mother every month and two small Czech children cannot.
http://www.parlamentnilisty.cz/politika/politici-volicum/Zdechovsky-KDU-CSL-Dukazy-ukazuji-ze-v-Norsku-dochazi-k-systemove-chybe-359445
He was in Norway, according him Norway police was polite and correct, CPS - spite and malice.
Why you have separated the children? Hmmm...what?
What the mother must to do, to get them back? Hmm...
http://www.reflex.cz/clanek/komentare/61750/dokonaly-hyenismus-pokracuje-norove-o-odebranych-detech-mlzi-a-vysmivaji-se-nam.html
http://echo24.cz/a/wMDbY/pravnik-matky-ceskych-deti-v-norsku-jsme-slyseli-absurdity
The grand father was in Norway, he was not able to see his grandchildren...we do not have anybody who could translate...they had 6 month to find somebody
http://www.tyden.cz/rubriky/domaci/prijel-navstivit-vnuky-do-norska-urad-mu-to-zakazal_302803.html#.VMthc6NwYwc
http://pravyprostor.cz/kde-je-moje-dite-otevreny-dopis-velvyslanci-norska-v-ceske-republice/
http://sonasvobodova.blog.idnes.cz/c/434665/Norsko-ceska-media-lzou-Umluvu-neporusujeme.html
Aunt of children went to court at Hodoním, she wants them into care.
http://www.novinky.cz/domaci/359993-uz-jsme-jim-koupili-i-postele-rika-teta-dvou-chlapcu-odebranych-v-norsku.html
Moreover local police was asked by the grandfather to look at fact, how it is possible that the children are kept in Norway.
http://brno.idnes.cz/kauza-ceske-deti-v-norsku-u-policie-a-soudu-v-hodonine-pd0-/brno-zpravy.aspx?c=A150127_135926_brno-zpravy_daj
Documents
http://www.lidovky.cz/trestni-oznameni-proti-matce-odebranych-deti-bylo-pozastaveno-pvn-/zpravy-domov.aspx?c=A150121_181850_ln_domov_ele
The advertisement of CPS was also criticised
http://www.krajskelisty.cz/praha/obvod-praha-1/7400-socialka-ktera-ma-maslo-na-hlave-inzeruje-hledate-zabavu-a-vzruseni-pracujte-u-nas-z-toho-se-vam-zvedne-zaludek.htm
Mrs Siri Ellen Sletner
an official statement in English
http://www.ceskatelevize.cz/ct24/nejnovejsi-videa/298934-marksova-k-norskym-detem-cast-spisu-je-v-souladu-s-prohlasenim-norske-ambasady/
an official statement in English
http://www.ceskatelevize.cz/ct24/nejnovejsi-videa/298934-marksova-k-norskym-detem-cast-spisu-je-v-souladu-s-prohlasenim-norske-ambasady/
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