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The pro-KKKremlin hate machine

of misinformation and propaganda rolls on.



I fucking love your hateful ignorance. Please do go on.

Lets talk about Russia kidnapping and killing in:


UKRAINE
CHECHNYA
CRIMEA
ABKHAZIA
ARMENIA
LATVIA
LITHUANIA



AND the LIST goes ON!!!!

Only RUSSIANS would murder you and those you love,

then say they were defending themselves!


UNFUCKING BELIEVABLE!!!

One shouldn't cast stones is a glass house, MOTHERFUCKER.

PS: I like the way the OP peppers his main statement

with exaggerations and half truths. He has to understand this

 tactic doesn't work with FREE PEOPLE from FREE SYSTEMS.

We SEE your bullshit.

please explain!
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Atdhe Nuhiu
Who is paying him? Illuminati? Satanists? Ripple labs?
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Nemo1024 must be one of those paid russian trolls  Smiley How much they pay you?  Smiley Can I join ?

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It seems the psychologist has some pedo-sadistic disorder.
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I recently found a article accompanied by a video that showed how a psychologist pressured a six years old girl to confirm that she had been sexually abused. The result was that the girl was taken from her family and placed in several foster homes.

One can read about this case here: http://www.fampo.no/six_years_old_girl_manipulated_by_psychologist.html.

The Norwegian site is named "Barnefjern" (Child remover) and apt co-sounder to the official "Barnevern" (Child protection)
http://www.barnefjern.org/her-blir-jenta-6-manipulert-av-en-psykolog/

That transcript bit! Bloody hell! And the 6-year old girl spent 4 hours in interrogation until she confessed...

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TK: But you have to say it. Otherwise we will newer finish.
G: But I have not done it.
TK: It is not you who have done it. We do not mean that you have done anything wrong. We do not mean that at all. But someone have done something. So that the doctor can see that something has happened with your ass. The doctor has seen that, so that is clear. We only have to get you to tell how it has happened.
G: I have not done anything.
TK: But we know that something must have happened. We only need to get you to tell how it happened. It need not have happened yesterday. It can have happened much earlier.
G: But you do not know that.
TK: Yes, we know that.
G: But I have not done ...
TK: We know that it must have happened.
G: Will it last long before I can go home.
TK: Yes, it will take a while. I will sit here badgering you until you tell what has happened.
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I recently found a article companied by a video that showed how a psychologist pressured a six years old girl to confirm that she had been sexually abused. The result was that the girl was taken from her family and placed in several foster homes.

One can read about this case here: http://www.fampo.no/six_years_old_girl_manipulated_by_psychologist.html.
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As far as CPS being a SOURCE of abuse, this isn't limited to Norway. Most people don't know in the US family "courts" are completely outside of the judicial system, and with it you have no rights. Technically in the US everyone is property of the county of their birth until 18 and stays that way until death unless wardship is specifically revoked. In the eyes of the law your children belong to the state more than they do to the parents. This unaccountable system has resulted in a for profit removal of healthy children from healthy families so they can literally be sold on the open market to adoptive parents for VERY high fees. There is even some evidence CPS is used in many places as a front to funnel children to people with pedophilic tendencies. In summary, all rhetoric aside, this is an increasing problem in  many industrialized nations.

Absolutely agrees with what I know and info I have gathered.. When I started to look into CPS matters, I found very informative websites from the USA, also some in Britain, and I corresponded with some of the people running them. In the US there were Cheryl Barnes, Pamela Gaston, Linda Martin, Freekaler, lots of sensible people writing e.g. on "Join hands" (until it was apparently taken over by other people with just about the opposite views), there are people in Canada struggling against the CPS, and in Australia. My French and German are not good, I am ashamed to say, so it is more trouble for me to find CPS-fighting people there, but they do exist.

The destructive actions and beliefs of the CPS make a very heavy international trend, fairly entrenched in the Western world, but tending to spread to other countries once they start increasing their production of social workers and psychologists.

Or what do you think, Tecshare?


I would pretty much agree. I would go even further and say the people running these trafficking rings are the most dangerous organized crime group on the planet. Evidence goes missing from police custody, witnesses go missing or die, ties with powerful people make it "go away" time and time again. Furthermore the children are used as a tool of extortion to control these degenerates who consume them. Wealthy people find degenerates and support their positions in office or otherwise fuel their rise to power. They them feed them children, document it, and now they have a 100% obedient walking meat puppet for life. That person now does what they are told or they lose everything and end up getting raped to death in prison. This is how the cartels and other organized crime groups control key individuals in power, and it puts everyone at risk.

I should perhaps have been more detailed about what I know and don't know about this aspect:

I too have seen a number of claims and even websites claiming that when children are taken by the social services it is in order to use them as sex slaves in pedophile circles, or even for organ donation (which would mean murder, of course).

I do not doubt that people who are inclined to commit such crimes, would find children bereaved of their parents very handy. But it implies a considerable degree of widespread conspiracy and I am by nature (or have become so through a long life) quite sceptical of conspiracy assumptions unless they are extra solidly proven. When it comes to CPS cases, the ordinary desire for jobs, money, prestige, children is such a prominent, clear motive for so many CPS workers, psychologists, foster 'parents' and people wanting to adopt, that we need go no further to show up the nasty sides of this 'business'.

In all the many cases of forced child removals around me which I know something of, the children are alive, and they are not planted in pedophile rings, although the percentage of foster children who end up in crime etc is frightening. But I do know of cases in which foster children are sexually abused by a foster parent or by foster 'siblings', or in institutions, and I am in no doubt that there are cases of people with pedophile interests going into the 'child care professions' or enlisting as foster parents with a special motive. Indeed one case immediately springs to mind: the 'Manavgat case': you can read about it by clicking into the article in The Hindu here: http://forum.r-b-v.net/viewtopic.php?f=56&t=7703 , and click the link in the article to "The Manavgat case in Turkey - Norway is the kidnapper".  

In that case, a foster father was vigorously defended and protected by Stavanger CPS (same leader, Gunnar Toresen, as in the India / Stavanger case ) against all claims by the boys' parents and other family that the foster father might be abusing them. The CPS would not even investigate (oh well, they are not awfully clever investigators, they are better as unfounded accusers of parents). When at long last the case against this foster father came up AND he was found guilty (and criminal cases are public, including the name of the defendant), and Toresen was later again asked about it, he said that such cases of abuse by foster parents were so terribly, terribly rare that they could never have foreseen it! - - Talk of upside down reasoning and upside down information.





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There is some more news from Prague. Jan Simonsen has been to a meeting with a Czech EU-parliamentary representative, and afterwards to an interview on direct-sent tv. There will probably be a longer interview in a couple of days.

There are articles about it in several newspapers/websites. I have updated the Czechia thread on rbv:
http://forum.r-b-v.net/viewtopic.php?f=314&t=7715

Jan's own report of this is on his blog, but it is in Norwegian, unfortunately for most of us/you:
Kritiserte norsk barnevern på tsjekkisk TV (Criticised Norwegian child protection on Czech tv)
http://www.frie-ytringer.com/2014/12/13/kritiserte-norsk-barnevern-pa-tsjekkisk-tv/

One short (not quite accurate) article is in English:
Norwegian politician pledges help with Czech custody case
PRAGUE POST | The Voice of Prague, 13 December 2014
http://www.praguepost.com/eu-news/43262-norwegian-politician-pledges-help-with-czech-custody-case

Here is a video of the interview. Simonsen speaks English, it is overlaid by a simultaneous translation into Czech:
přehrát video
http://www.ceskatelevize.cz/porady/1096898594-udalosti-komentare/214411000371212/video/369456
  
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Lol broke countries need to make lies like this  Smiley they so scared their own educated people leaving to rich places like norway  Smiley Keep lying, we keep laughing  Smiley

An obvious troll is obvious. Someone jumps in without reading the topic to understand that it's started by someone who lived in Norway for most of his life, that the recent posters are Norwegians, that the cases are well-documented, that the alarms have been going off from Norwegian own human rights organisations, that international cases is just a small fraction of CPS transgressions (though they make the most noise).
Oh, well, I hope for your sake that you don't have children, because you seem to be totally incapable of empathy.

Our Western social services & co simply do not understand the nature of family love. ...

I would go a bit further there. It seems to me that the Western system has been systematically destroying the institute of family. In Norway it started happening after oil was found in the 70's and when the country over night became rich.

A family is being attacked on subtle levels. Some examples: if a child lives with parents after it reaches 16, it is considered shameful - you "live at home" (as opposed to living on the street?). The state provides loans for children who move out (borteboerstipend) even if you move to a cellar apartment next street, thus economically enticing a split of the family. A child, after he is 18 is not legally considered part of the family - for example a wife can get medical info for her husband at a doctor's, but a woman would be denied getting similar information for her grown-up child. Banks make money of this drive to move children from their homes and to make them take loans to buy new housing. And as a result, elderly people end up being alone with children who only remember about their parents for Christmas and birthdays.

Some include videos. The following two are worth looking at even if one cannot follow the dialogue. One understands most of what is going on anyway. Re the actual dialogue, I am useless, I understand only very few isolated words about things we knew already. Possibly somebody here is competent and has the time to give some more info about what they say? I noticed at Nemo1024 commented above on a Russian program, he might be Slavic-proficient?

Sorry, Czech is too far away from Russian to understand fluently, I can only make out a few words, much like understanding Dutch for a Norwegian. If it were Bulgarian or Serbian/Croatian, then it would be easier.
Google translate gives a passable translation, though:
https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=cs&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ceskatelevize.cz%2Fct24%2Fdomaci%2F294938-vlada-ma-pozadat-norsko-o-vysvetleni-pripadu-odebranych-deti%2F&edit-text=&act=url

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The Kingdom of Norway should MEPs tell why the brothers remain in foster care when the original reason fell off. The House would like to know whether the Norwegian authorities are considering the possibility to entrust children to the care of their Czech relatives, foster parents or other Czech and why siblings remain in various foster homes
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A propos what bryant.coleman wrote:

I did a quick search for Czech language articles about Eva Michaláková's case, with a combination of three words:
děti  (Czech, means "children")
Norsku (Czech, means "Norway" or "Norwegian")
barnevern (Norwegian, means "child protection")

The result was an overwhelming list of articles, loads of them.

Some include videos. The following two are worth looking at even if one cannot follow the dialogue. One understands most of what is going on anyway. Re the actual dialogue, I am useless, I understand only very few isolated words about things we knew already. Possibly somebody here is competent and has the time to give some more info about what they say? I noticed at Nemo1024 commented above on a Russian program, he might be Slavic-proficient?


This:
Vláda má požádat Norsko o vysvětlení případu odebraných dětí
http://www.ceskatelevize.cz/ct24/domaci/294938-vlada-ma-pozadat-norsko-o-vysvetleni-pripadu-odebranych-deti/

contains a 2 minute news item, in which we see the case taken up in the Czech parliament.



This one is a Russian program, 28 minutes long, with Czech texting:
Juvenilní justice v Norsku - Teror byznysu s dětmi a stát ve státě - BARNEVERN
http://www.zvedavec.org/komentare/2014/12/6253-juvenilni-justice-v-norsku.htm

The Russian children's ombudsman is there several times, and many mothers, very unhappy. There are quick glimpses from the India case and the Poland case. Re the pictures from the India case, I am not sure that they have much important info about the case, because the pictures are mainly of the uncle.

A small addition still to what I have written about the India / Stavanger case:
At at the time, an Indian website carrying petitions - about all sorts of things, and luckily leaving their old threads in to be read - had an excellent suggestion, in comic style: "Throw a shoe on Norway"
http://www.haindavakeralam.com/hkpage.aspx?PageID=15323&SKIN=W



Here is another thread from them, where yours truly could not resist posting updates for readers:
" For Immediate Action - Norway's Child Protection Services Separates Indian Family"
http://www.haindavakeralam.com/HKPage.aspx?PageID=15314
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As far as CPS being a SOURCE of abuse, this isn't limited to Norway. Most people don't know in the US family "courts" are completely outside of the judicial system, and with it you have no rights. Technically in the US everyone is property of the county of their birth until 18 and stays that way until death unless wardship is specifically revoked. In the eyes of the law your children belong to the state more than they do to the parents. This unaccountable system has resulted in a for profit removal of healthy children from healthy families so they can literally be sold on the open market to adoptive parents for VERY high fees. There is even some evidence CPS is used in many places as a front to funnel children to people with pedophilic tendencies. In summary, all rhetoric aside, this is an increasing problem in  many industrialized nations.

Absolutely agrees with what I know and info I have gathered.. When I started to look into CPS matters, I found very informative websites from the USA, also some in Britain, and I corresponded with some of the people running them. In the US there were Cheryl Barnes, Pamela Gaston, Linda Martin, Freekaler, lots of sensible people writing e.g. on "Join hands" (until it was apparently taken over by other people with just about the opposite views), there are people in Canada struggling against the CPS, and in Australia. My French and German are not good, I am ashamed to say, so it is more trouble for me to find CPS-fighting people there, but they do exist.

The destructive actions and beliefs of the CPS make a very heavy international trend, fairly entrenched in the Western world, but tending to spread to other countries once they start increasing their production of social workers and psychologists.

Or what do you think, Tecshare?


I would pretty much agree. I would go even further and say the people running these trafficking rings are the most dangerous organized crime group on the planet. Evidence goes missing from police custody, witnesses go missing or die, ties with powerful people make it "go away" time and time again. Furthermore the children are used as a tool of extortion to control these degenerates who consume them. Wealthy people find degenerates and support their positions in office or otherwise fuel their rise to power. They them feed them children, document it, and now they have a 100% obedient walking meat puppet for life. That person now does what they are told or they lose everything and end up getting raped to death in prison. This is how the cartels and other organized crime groups control key individuals in power, and it puts everyone at risk.
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Nice to see EU nations such as the Czech Rep. protecting their citizen's rights. Norway might be filthy rich. But that doesn't mean that they have the right to kidnap foreign children and then gave them to Norwegian homosexual foster-parents.
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Norway has a peculiar child protection (barnevernet) system. At a most insignificant suspicion that a child has bee mistreated by its parents, the child will be taken by the sate from its parents and relocated to an undisclosed foster family. *The parents will then be presumed guilty until they prove that they are innocent, a process that can take up to several years. It does not matter if both parents and the child are not Norwegian citizens - they can even be tourists visiting the country for a couple of days, the process would still be the same.

http://rt.com/news/196532-norway-remove-child-tooth/

Two weeks ago a Russia family working in the North of Norway experienced just that. Their 5-year old son had a loose milk tooth, which the mother helped to remove. The child mentioned that at school and the teacher took the child home, suspecting abuse. The parents were getting worried when the child did not return from school in the evening, but became even more worried when they got summoned by the police to give statements. They were denied their request to see the child, and they still do not know where the child is. Child protection also expressed interest in the younger sister of the boy, but the parents managed to send he back to Russia to her grand-parents, while they remain in Norway for the legal battle to get their child back. All three are Russian citizens, so this is not just a case of kidnapping, but of an abduction of a foreign citizen.

http://english.pravda.ru/society/stories/11-10-2011/119296-norway_children-0/

Norway had about 8000 such cases, 20 of which against Russian citizens. India made a TV documentary, called "Nightmare in Norway" - an Indian child got confiscated from its Indian parents in the same manner after the authorities learnt that the child crept into his parents bed after having nightmares (a child, according to the rules, must always sleep in its own bed).

The state-kidnapped children are often placed in care of families of "non-traditional orientation", which is in accordance with the Norwegian doctrine of de-genderaisation of children. A child should be an "it", until "it" is old enough to decide if it wants to be a "she" or "he".

In those cases when parents managed to prove their innocence, and children were returned, the families were still forced to leave Norway.

So, when visiting Norway with a child, make sure not to anger it so that it does not start tell tall tails of abuse to its teachers and don't feed it from your hands (falls under the transgression of "forced feeding")

When you want to protect more, you have the risk of lowering the freedom. Taking children away from their parents is very dangerous.
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Lol broke countries need to make lies like this  Smiley they so scared their own educated people leaving to rich places like norway  Smiley Keep lying, we keep laughing  Smiley
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As far as CPS being a SOURCE of abuse, this isn't limited to Norway. Most people don't know in the US family "courts" are completely outside of the judicial system, and with it you have no rights. Technically in the US everyone is property of the county of their birth until 18 and stays that way until death unless wardship is specifically revoked. In the eyes of the law your children belong to the state more than they do to the parents. This unaccountable system has resulted in a for profit removal of healthy children from healthy families so they can literally be sold on the open market to adoptive parents for VERY high fees. There is even some evidence CPS is used in many places as a front to funnel children to people with pedophilic tendencies. In summary, all rhetoric aside, this is an increasing problem in  many industrialized nations.

Absolutely agrees with what I know and info I have gathered.. When I started to look into CPS matters, I found very informative websites from the USA, also some in Britain, and I corresponded with some of the people running them. In the US there were Cheryl Barnes, Pamela Gaston, Linda Martin, Freekaler, lots of sensible people writing e.g. on "Join hands" (until it was apparently taken over by other people with just about the opposite views), there are people in Canada struggling against the CPS, and in Australia. My French and German are not good, I am ashamed to say, so it is more trouble for me to find CPS-fighting people there, but they do exist.

The destructive actions and beliefs of the CPS make a very heavy international trend, fairly entrenched in the Western world, but tending to spread to other countries once they start increasing their production of social workers and psychologists.

Or what do you think, Tecshare?
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Does anyone here see the pattern of CPS treating children like a commodity and or property?

I think many of us see it and I agree, especially as regards "commodity".

The terms "property" and "commodity" are problematic though. An accusation of treating their children as such is always being levelled at parents who want their children to be with them, not to be carted off to foster homes or other CPS places, once the CPS has got its eyes on the family and wants the children. The CPS (and many many ordinary people) say "The children are not your property, you know, and they are not a commodity, they have rights of their own".

Children should certainly not be the property of the state, of the school system, of various "child expert" professions, of social workers, etc. The reason is that that is not good for children, not for their objective safety, nor for their emotions.

I should say that in a good sense children are the property of their parents, just as the parents are the property of their children, because parents have feelings, instincts and impulses which are nature's best guard for the children. Children, on the other hand, have a complementary feeling of love, peace, safety when they are close to their parents, so that they tend to seek the parents when dangers threaten. Certainly there are individuals who fail utterly to love and protect their offspring, and then society is forced to step in and protect those children. But that is not the normal thing, it is an exception, while the CPS "believes" that the parents are generally just about more dangerous than anybody else. Real life is the opposite and research confirms this: children are more at risk of abuse and neglect everywhere else than with their own parents, and the children's feelings mirror this.

Compare the work of the utmost importance which the evolutionary psychologists Martin Daly and Margo Wilson have done on child abuse. It can easily be found by searching with their names, but if you find no better source, then I have made a summary of some of it here, especially in sections 7 and 8:

Child abuse which the child protection authorities do not want to know about - 2:
Violence against step-children compared to genetic children - Daly & Wilson's research
http://www.mhskanland.net/page62/page131/page131.html
15 May 2012

I think a couple of paragraphs from a reference I gave above, to "Is biological kinship irrelevant …", may also be relevant:

    "The above argument gives an evolutionary-genetic explanation of why it is that parents feel they must have their children with them, close to, and why children feel they must be with their own parents and seek to be near them when the world outside is uncertain, threatening, painful or difficult. Nor do I know of any other reasonable explanation of this behaviour in the research literature. If children and parents did not by instinct seek each other and stick together, the parents could not give care and protection in the practical situations where it is needed and the children could not receive it. The children would then be far more exposed to the dangers of this world. Giving priority to family solidarity as a matter of course is therefore perfectly rational behaviour and contributes, from an evolutionary perspective, to the fitness of the family line.
    This does not imply that family relationships are always idyllic. Some fail, and there is plenty of dissension and discord and plenty of problems. A household is a community which needs to fulfil several functions for its members. If not carried out by close relatives, who feel a nature-based love and solidarity, piety and responsiveness towards each other, these functions must be carried out by other constellations of persons. In that case the problems and conflicts and maladjustments and hatreds that arise are more comprehensive, more frequent and more difficult to overcome, and the number of such constellations which break down is correspondingly higher. This is serious for children, who most need a community which functions. Conflicts, violence and abuse is stongly over-represented in orphanages/children's homes and foster homes wherever they have been investigated in reliable research and brought into daylight (the authorities in all countries, including Norway, have a tendency to hide such facts to the best of their ability)."


Our Western social services & co simply do not understand the nature of family love. Magne Raundalen, the highly decorated psychologist who headed the committee set up by our authorities to investigate the nature of "attachment" and its possible relation to biology, said triumphantly in the important radio-and-tv program Dagsnytt 18 (news at 6 pm) - when they had concluded their work, that the committee had not found any research at all pointing to biological parents being in any special position relating to children. My own conclusion is of course that it means that Raundalen is incompetent to do research. After all, what about the world-wide evidence of what happens to children in orphanages and foster homes, while they are there and later in life? Even with adoption there are plenty of problems, actually. What about grown-up adopteds who search for their relatives? What about foster children who flee repeatedly and try to get back to their parents?
  
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Does anyone here see the pattern of CPS treating children like a commodity and or property?

I'd say, more like commodity (slavery). There is more respect toward private property that parents might own, than to the children that they care fore.

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I guess yes. There is a law that children belong to state not to family. It is like wet dream of all nazis or Stalinists, where children belonged to state party.

Well appearance of Quisling was not a coincidence. No wonder that in that culture emerge ppl like Breivik.
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Does anyone here see the pattern of CPS treating children like a commodity and or property?
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Last night I pulled myself together and produced an English translation of an article I wrote 3 years ago about a Polish case; the case is rather revealing about the CPS:

"Judgment in Poland: a nine-year-old girl NOT to be extradited by Norway"
http://www.mhskanland.net/page10/page229/page229.html

My hope is that although Czechs and Poles have neighbourly quarrels, this case, in which Poland protected the family from Norwegian child destruction, should encourage the Czechs too.

In 2011 Poland also refused to extradite to Norway a Russian boy that escaped from Norwegian CPS under similar conditions:
http://english.pravda.ru/society/stories/05-10-2011/119234-russian_boy_schengen-0/

It's good to know that Norwegian CPS is in the searchlight of the European countries. Though Norwegian CPS consistently ignores court orders, maybe if enough pressure is put on it, something will budge.

As for the case of Oscar, it seems to have completely vanished from the newsfront in Russia.  Undecided
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