Topic: Child Kidnappings by the Western-European States - page 18. (Read 72947 times)

Collecting signatures to return Oskar home
http://www.citizengo.org/ru/13085-norvegia-verni-oskara-domoy

Norway, return Oscar Shianok to his parents!


The child can now meet once a week and Russian language was allowed. The child cried when it was time to be separated from his mother after an hour's meeting and was asking to go home with parents. Oh, and he lost another tooth - it's that time of his life - and was proudly showing it to his mother:
http://lifenews.ru/news/143968

The parents can now see the child once a week. Russian officials have still not been granted right to see the child either:
http://rapsinews.ru/international_news/20141029/272484790.html

A demonstration was conducted at Norwegian embassy:
http://www.ivan4.ru/news/yuvenalnaya_yustitsiya/piket_u_posolstva_norvegii_v_podderzhku_malchika_oskara/

And another case!!!
On the 31st of October another child - a 6-year old Russian girl - was abducted from her parents by Norwegian authorities. Astahov (Russian child protection representative) will discuss the worsening situation in Norway with UN's representative on the 12th of November in Minsk.
http://tass.ru/obschestvo/1547613

That is so. A 5-yo child forgets his mother tongue (and a great deal other things) within 5-6 month of disuse. I know a Russian-language teacher, who struggled keeping up the language level of the immigrant parents' kids. It was especially difficult if the family was mixed and the everyday language at home was Norwegian.

And interesting shift in politics: Initially that education was called "mothertongue teacher" (morsmållærer), but later was re-branded into "dual-language teacher" (tospråklig lærer) and the stated goal was changed from teaching the kid his mother tongue to helping him to assimilate through his mother tongue.

That harvested kid should have been given Russian language lessons ho help him, instead he is forbidden to speak the language.

bitcoin is a form of collectivism, you all believed in it, but hated the alt. So if you want say: Up with Cryptos! Down with tyranny!

Meanwhile a child, will one day, sooner than we may think, not even recognizes his mother (language).

Now we're talking! Up with Bitcoin! Down with tyranny!   

it's just the collectivists vs the individualist... the collectivist wants the butter, the money of the shopkeeper and his wife. There can be no informative discussion as long as you don't understand that. the individualist want to go the butter shop, pay his butter in a medium that the butterman accepts (with cryptos, why not), and leave with what he payed from his own work. Happily individualist can form Swarms, aka individuals believing in the same principle seeing no others path but victory or death over the collective. The Swarm is composed of the wise and smart interacting freely, it's very creative in nature, and frankly not of the same league as any collective organization... they lack the dynamism (aka the process of creative destruction).

That's the exact point. Who determines what is abuse? And how far can government go in gradually changing their understanding of what abuse consists of, until they finally can take kids for any reason at all?

Every action needs to be decided by something like a jury in these kinds of cases. Half of the jury should be made up of folks who live in the area of the parents/guardians, while the other half not - so that we get honest opinions and jury judgments.

if you can't homeschool your children in the country of your residence, you better change country now (while you still can).

No, I have a grudge against unfairness. Slavery, murder, war, corruption, genocide and loss of family values would entice the same kind of anger from me. Did people know that in Germany, if a 10-year-old kid refused to attend sexual education classes, where, among other things, it is shown how to properly insert penis into vagina, then ParentNumberOne and ParentNumberTwo (formerly known in the dark unenlightened ages as Mother and Father) can be fined and imprisoned.

I have no grudge against Norwegian CPS, but if they did their proper job, they would have cooperated with Russian CPS and transferred the Russian minor citizen to Russia.

Now back to the case at hand.

Astahov, the head of the Russian child rights protection government committee posted yesterday on Twitter that the kid was for the first time since the beginning of October allowed to see his parents. The meeting lasted only for 1 hour (hardened criminals get more meeting time with their families while in prison than this innocent 5-year-old). The child and the parents were forbidden to speak Russian - the meeting had to be conducted in Norwegian! So, the reprogramming after child-harvesting has already started. A 5-year-old, if he does not use his mother tongue, will start to forget it after about a month, and will adopt the dominant language of his surrounding instead.

Seems to me you must have some kind of grudge against the childrens protection service, to each his own.

I was following the Norwegian news outlets closely after the incident was reported on Russian media. Zero mention. The parents did say in the interview to the Russian channel that they were warned/threatened not to tell media or else they'll never see their child again. So I entirely believe the sincerity of the first Norwegian commetor saying:


Interpolating from the statistics, since the Russian kid was abducted from his family and I created this thread, about 90 kids suffered the same fate.

I read the Russian comments on Rambler, and they ranged in spectrum from ones blaming Norway:

Through ones blaming parents:


(I don't agree with such accusations: the parents usually do so to give their kids and better start in life, and how were they to know about such barbaric practices?)

And to the ones blaming Russian authorities:


With this I agree. Russia is usually too lenient and soft in its international affairs, seeking to gain approval and being abused because of that. If Russia held a more strict line, such cases would be non-existant.

I also read about a similar fate suffered by a Russian family in the USA. Their two sons were taken from them by CPS, separated and adopted into different families. The older boy escaped and returned to his parents, after which he was not taken the second time (the CPS probably deemed him too old to be reprogrammed), while the family lost their younger son forever.

I guess we'll never know what happened to this Russian boy in Norway, as it happens with thousands of similar cases...

One thing is sure 40 years ago, no one would have dare kidnap a Soviet child. It tells more about Russia than anything... Happily today, no would dare to kidnap an American child, and if they do, the second they answer the call from the Empire, they would release him asap. Because they would know, that unbearable consequences may be starting to fall upon them...

Speech extract:

In the States backed kidnappers office the telephone rings : Hi, it's the Imperial representative in your country.
Sbk: Hi, what's up, what can I do for you today?
IR: I am informing you that in 3 hours a meeting about the kidnap child is gonna happen...
Sbk: wooooohhhhhhh, WTF are you talking to me?
IR: Your gov kidnapped one of our child, data transmitted
Sbk: thank you for informing us, you can tell them that they can cancel their meeting, you will receive a flight plan for the kid and his family in 10 min.
IR: I hope for you that you will. so bye.
Sbk with his crime partners:  oooohhh guys, we almost died .

What makes you think that child sex traffickers would have any qualms about selling organs as well?

I am sure those CPS (and backers) love their weekend... nuff said.

That's basically what I said in the OP. If they really objective was caring about the child and minimising trauma to it, it should have been transferred to the Russian CPS, where he would be in familiar cultural and language surroundings. In this case the objective seems to be getting hold of the child himself.


I forgot to address this question. It was mentioned in the interview of the Russian consulate in Norway, where the little-known particularities of the law were explained. As long as you are on Norwegian soil, irregardless of the reasons you are there, the law extends on you. Saw CPS has the authority over you both when you are a citizen, a worker (as in this case), or an illegal immigrant (as in the 2011 case). It also, in theory, applies to you if you are just passing on a transit.


As a foreigner who lived in Norway for a long time and observe the society from the sidelines, so to speak, I'd say your assessment is pretty accurate. The privilege of awarding the Peace Prize does not help either...

As for trafficking, I don't know. My greater concern is a potential for organ harvesting. What happened in those 50 child suicide cases (in 2011) after the children got separated from the families..?

I think that Noraway has been getting it right in so many other ways for so long that the world has just been pumping up her collective ego for years and now there may be a sense of Norwegians being able to do no wrong, resulting in a loss of the self monitoring of one's moral compass. After all if the world is always telling your country how progressive your society is, you might get a sense of superiority and let down your guard to horrible atrocities like this. Since you are from Norway, what is your opinion on this sociological analysis OP?

The OP is NOT overreacting. CPS is a front for child sex trafficking all over the world. What makes you think these people care about breaking up a few families?

I was trying to wrap my head around what was happening and one word kept popping up in my mind:

Slavery.

Slavery can take many form. Labour slavery, sex slavery, this is child slavery. They all satisfy some needs that cannot be satisfied domestically: more workforce, more women, more children. These abducted kids (about 10 each day as per statistics) are grown detached from their origins, taught to be good Norwegians.

This happened before in history:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Janissaries


Note that also in the Norwegian cases, mos children are under 6 years old, in an age, when they can be easily "re-programmed".

This kid still has his younger sister, who is free. Hopefully she'll come looking for him in 15-16 years' time, once she is of age...

I didn't read your last post, because I don't need. Now as the tragedy is running. let's make some hypothesis:

Imagine that the kid was the son of the One of the Sinaloa or K.T. Cartels, the truce would have started between all until freed. picture yourself the capital city of Norway, you could see that all the highest judges would be dead, at let me tell you, civilians causalities to achieve operatives objectives are irrelevant. The norwegian States would have fold... because NO COPS, NO JUDGES, NO CPS would dare to show or stay in the country.

Imagine that the kid was the son of GWB, today, there would be no more a capital city in norway, the ground would be toxic for thousand of years, most norwegians, inland or outland would be in concentration camp waiting their death, and of course the Professional Soldiers sent to EXTRACT him from the State Sponsored Kidnappers would be at the White House received by Potus and his son...

So what would you do if you were POTRF, aka the President of the Russian Federation and it was your son that was held?


edit: there is no others path against lies backed by violence like the norv.gov do here, scaling until one fold.

edit2: btw time is of the essence the more they (many) are in the hands of those "aliens" (dehumanization), the more they are at risks of being injured and co.

edit3: and if there was really a problem with this family, why not sent them back to Russia and inform the Russian State?

edit4: time for a joint color revolution there? half - half ? because sooner or later it will be an American Child...

I posted this link in the OP, but this case from 2011 is well worth a separate accentuation:

http://english.pravda.ru/society/stories/11-10-2011/119296-norway_children-0/


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Another case from 2011, when a boy managed to escape from Norway:
http://english.pravda.ru/society/stories/05-10-2011/119234-russian_boy_schengen-0/
A must read in full!


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And another case from 2011:


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And the latest news
http://news.rambler.ru/27516598/
CPS decided to keep the child in the foster family, saying it will be best for the child, and the parents will be "allowed to see him form time to time".  
The parents will go to court (of course), but as the 2011 case shows, they might get imprisoned for wanting their child back.

The mother did her maternal duty and for that the child is stolen from her. I have no words...

It looks like this boy's fate is sealed too.

Get a life loser. From where Russia got in to the picture? We were discussing about child kidnap in Norway. I haven't heard of any similar instances from Russia or other former Soviet republics.

Nemo thx for this beautiful post.