Claw Machines: a category of gambling?

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Quote from: dansus021 on April 26, 2024, 05:26:31 AM

Hahahhaha very very good question is Claw Machines: a category of gambling? Claw machine is everywhere and kid loves it, adult people loves it I mean who dont like this game hahahah and this is personal opinion but I would condider claw machine as mini gambling machine Grin

why because I heard that the owner of the claw machines can setup how much power the claw is and if you have weak claw meaning you need extra careful and focus to win the prize

Yes, and it depends on how much current is going through the mechanism. And even if you have a strong claw, it doesn't matter how "extra careful" you are because the claw can drop the prize intentionally before reaching the prize box. Whether it's gambling or not? I'd call it a rigged gambling. It's when you know that the game is rigged and no matter how skillful or lucky you are it all depends on to what degree it was rigged before you started playing. There's a chance it was rigged to your favour, and then you are "lucky".

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Quote from: nullama on May 02, 2024, 08:34:01 AM

Quote from: angrybirdy on May 02, 2024, 01:01:52 AM

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Yeah, I think you can still get lucky if for example one of the strings of the thing you want to grab get stuck in the claw or something like that.

But yes, the claw itself is pretty weak to be honest. I'm not sure if there is a way to get a better grip with it, maybe just moving it left and right quickly would make it entangled or something.

I think it's both skill and luck. Because it will really take you skill to have a strategy to which part of the reward you are going to claw with in the machine. It's like going through that trial and repetition until you get that reward you are aiming for. It's also like luck based because you need to be very lucky as to which machine are you going to play. Because some machine are rigged for you not to win. Some are too loose that the reward will slip on it while some are too stiff.

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Quote from: uneng on March 31, 2024, 01:29:40 PM

Nowadays you can find these claw machines in many stores, restaurants and malls. They are popular among young people, and are always shining captivating colours to the eyes. Most of them reward soft toy or cuddly toy and electronic gadgets, while there are also few versions where you can grab paper money available. You just have to be skilled enough to manage collecting the prize with the claw, dropping it into the collect box right after.

In order to play, you have to risk money from your pocket for a single or few attempts with the claw. In most attempts, however, it's like the prize will slip from the claw or you won't even achieve collecting anything with it, since it's made of a slippy metal.

Do you consider this a category of gambling game? What are the chances on long run? Skills matter, or do you have to be lucky, nevertheless?

I suppose that this is definitely a form of gambling considering the example of the cash in the machine- depending on how much money and time is spent there I would say it can surely lead to addictive gambling tendencies. If its just those little kiddie ones for plushies tho that cost a dollar I mean thats more of entertainment/gaming for children but in your example I think it can definitely be considered a niche category of gambling. Now I wonder if any of those types of machines are ever found in casinos?

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Quote from: Asuspawer09 on May 01, 2024, 07:37:45 PM

In my opinion yes, it is considered to be gambling since you are risking your money in order to win, but the only thing is it's going to be a different reward, it's not going to double your money something like that instead your getting stuff toy or some reward. But more like a scam Grin

since I never actually win on a claw machine, I guess if you are a skilled claw machine player it might be a good bet but in my opinion, the chances of winning are very slim so might not be worth it because the quality of your reward wasn't really that great considering your paying a lot for such a cheap stuff toy.

But I guess the good thing here is most of the people that use the machine are just playing for fun because it is really something that you could be proud of with your friends or probably girlfriends if you win a prize then give it to them, it would make you look good as a skilled player Grin

so even though it was kind of a scam not winning, but the moment you win it was really worth it and fun at the same time.

Claw machines are often equated with gambling. However, in this case, the rewards are different from betting in general. Where you can't double your money, and instead, you can walk away with toys or small trinkets. Despite this, there are those who feel cheated by these machines, their level of difficulty ensures that even with only skilled players, the success rate remains low while the value of the prizes is rarely commensurate with the cost of the game.

But the positive aspect. There are many people who play claw machines just for fun. This is an activity that can be shared with friends or someone special. If you manage to win a prize, it can evoke feelings of pride and happiness, especially if you give it to someone you care about. Therefore, the moment of victory has its own value, it is a rewarding and enjoyable experience. So, Even though claw machines are similar to scams (due to the low chances of winning), many people still enjoy playing them, not only because of the prospect of winning the top prize but also because of the thrill of the gameplay itself.

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I have played these machines but I have not seen one that has dollars, and that would be very fantastic, I have played with the ones that have much smaller prizes such as stuffed animals, toys, things like that, like snacks, things that are simple, and not They are expensive, I think those types of games are in countries like the USA, Europe, but in Ecuador I have not seen that style, there are many shopping centers where there are video games, and those games are ideal for us to have control and a lot of patience Sometimes I win something there, but simple things come out, the money thing if I wanted to play it, in fact there are many players who are experts in that type of game.

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Quote from: nullama on May 02, 2024, 08:34:01 AM

Quote from: angrybirdy on May 02, 2024, 01:01:52 AM

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Ohhh I see, that's why sometimes it's really hard to get some items in some claw machine especially here in our place, it's kinda difficult to get some items even if you have skills in doing it but when you come in japan, I've watched a lot of videos showing that some people are easily catch some stuffs because of tight set up of claw and if I'm able to visit that country, I won't miss to try their claw machines because for sure I will enjoy doing the catch there.

Yeah, I think you can still get lucky if for example one of the strings of the thing you want to grab get stuck in the claw or something like that.

But yes, the claw itself is pretty weak to be honest. I'm not sure if there is a way to get a better grip with it, maybe just moving it left and right quickly would make it entangled or something.

When it comes to this game, I always target the items with strings in it or something where the claw could insert his metals in it. I have played this a lot of times and I only got a single item. I don't consider it as being unlucky because the damn claws are really slippery. My kids on the other hand love playing this game so I let them play but only in prizes where there are rings in it. i.e. a ring of tickets or a ticket bracelet so that we can exchange it for other prizes at the counter.
Because I know for myself that even if I waste so much money on prizes where plushies are available, they won't be getting any and they will just end up getting frustrated when we go home. While if they are getting tickets, they will still be happy picking what prize they want in the prize booth. I don't see many people playing this game and I don't consider it as gambling, it's more like short-lived fun.

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Claw machines is definitely a gambling game, any games that you stake and has a chance to earn something is categorized as gambling.

Quote from: coin-investor on May 02, 2024, 11:08:37 AM

There are a lot of claw machines that you can find on Youtube there are so many of them that you use many methods, I don't consider it gambling it is more skill-based, with effort and practice you can go to the game zone and get as many dolls as you want just like this video here

Number one: You need to fly to the country where those people playing.

Number two: Make sure you gamble on the same machine.

Since most people didn't want to fly to other country just to "win" claw machines games, those technique can't be applied.

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Quote from: nullama on May 02, 2024, 08:34:01 AM

Quote from: angrybirdy on May 02, 2024, 01:01:52 AM

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Ohhh I see, that's why sometimes it's really hard to get some items in some claw machine especially here in our place, it's kinda difficult to get some items even if you have skills in doing it but when you come in japan, I've watched a lot of videos showing that some people are easily catch some stuffs because of tight set up of claw and if I'm able to visit that country, I won't miss to try their claw machines because for sure I will enjoy doing the catch there.

Yeah, I think you can still get lucky if for example one of the strings of the thing you want to grab get stuck in the claw or something like that.

There are a lot of claw machines that you can find on Youtube there are so many of them that you use many methods, I don't consider it gambling it is more skill-based, with effort and practice you can go to the game zone and get as many dolls as you want just like this video here

Claw Machine Hack They Don't Want You To Know!

Only those newbies who try to use the claw using a hit-and-miss method when there are a lot of methods and something to look at when trying to claw a doll or a cash like this video here, and the one that tells the trick is just a kid.

Tips from a claw machine expert | The Straits Times

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Quote from: angrybirdy on May 02, 2024, 01:01:52 AM

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Ohhh I see, that's why sometimes it's really hard to get some items in some claw machine especially here in our place, it's kinda difficult to get some items even if you have skills in doing it but when you come in japan, I've watched a lot of videos showing that some people are easily catch some stuffs because of tight set up of claw and if I'm able to visit that country, I won't miss to try their claw machines because for sure I will enjoy doing the catch there.

Yeah, I think you can still get lucky if for example one of the strings of the thing you want to grab get stuck in the claw or something like that.

But yes, the claw itself is pretty weak to be honest. I'm not sure if there is a way to get a better grip with it, maybe just moving it left and right quickly would make it entangled or something.

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Quote from: dansus021 on April 26, 2024, 05:26:31 AM

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So you mean, It's real that some claw machine has been set up? that's why sometimes there's a low chance of winning because the claw didn't work well even if you already placed it correctly in your target item. If that's the case, They tricked their customer in order to play more and more until they get at least 1 item from that machine, It is considered as a type of mini gambling and just a normal game at the same time because it gives us an exciting and interesting game while spending A lot of money.

I think it is pretty much a fact this is the case, if not then a skilled player could win most of the time by simply getting better at manipulating the claw, so the owners of those machines need to find a way to counter those players, and the way to do that is by manipulating the strength of the claw, this way it does not matter how much skilled a person may get when using the claw, as if the claw itself is not working properly, then they have no way to win no matter what they do.

Yeah South park already tell you the truth a claw machine has been a set up. the owner of claw machine did that I mean at the end of the day all of this is just for a profit and that it if you want to give some free stuff that fine you can make the claw even tighter and stronger maybe no skilled required for it.

Hahaha skilled player is everywhere and people who want to profit is also everywhere this is just business and people who play it sometimes just do it for fun and test their luck

Ohhh I see, that's why sometimes it's really hard to get some items in some claw machine especially here in our place, it's kinda difficult to get some items even if you have skills in doing it but when you come in japan, I've watched a lot of videos showing that some people are easily catch some stuffs because of tight set up of claw and if I'm able to visit that country, I won't miss to try their claw machines because for sure I will enjoy doing the catch there.

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Quote from: South Park on May 01, 2024, 07:17:49 PM

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Quote from: dansus021 on April 26, 2024, 05:26:31 AM

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So you mean, It's real that some claw machine has been set up? that's why sometimes there's a low chance of winning because the claw didn't work well even if you already placed it correctly in your target item. If that's the case, They tricked their customer in order to play more and more until they get at least 1 item from that machine, It is considered as a type of mini gambling and just a normal game at the same time because it gives us an exciting and interesting game while spending A lot of money.

I think it is pretty much a fact this is the case, if not then a skilled player could win most of the time by simply getting better at manipulating the claw, so the owners of those machines need to find a way to counter those players, and the way to do that is by manipulating the strength of the claw, this way it does not matter how much skilled a person may get when using the claw, as if the claw itself is not working properly, then they have no way to win no matter what they do.

Yeah South park already tell you the truth a claw machine has been a set up. the owner of claw machine did that I mean at the end of the day all of this is just for a profit and that it if you want to give some free stuff that fine you can make the claw even tighter and stronger maybe no skilled required for it.

Hahaha skilled player is everywhere and people who want to profit is also everywhere this is just business and people who play it sometimes just do it for fun and test their luck

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In my opinion yes, it is considered to be gambling since you are risking your money in order to win, but the only thing is it's going to be a different reward, it's not going to double your money something like that instead your getting stuff toy or some reward. But more like a scam Grin

since I never actually win on a claw machine, I guess if you are a skilled claw machine player it might be a good bet but in my opinion, the chances of winning are very slim so might not be worth it because the quality of your reward wasn't really that great considering your paying a lot for such a cheap stuff toy.

But I guess the good thing here is most of the people that use the machine are just playing for fun because it is really something that you could be proud of with your friends or probably girlfriends if you win a prize then give it to them, it would make you look good as a skilled player Grin

so even though it was kind of a scam not winning, but the moment you win it was really worth it and fun at the same time.

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Quote from: dansus021 on April 26, 2024, 05:26:31 AM

Hahahhaha very very good question is Claw Machines: a category of gambling? Claw machine is everywhere and kid loves it, adult people loves it I mean who dont like this game hahahah and this is personal opinion but I would condider claw machine as mini gambling machine Grin

why because I heard that the owner of the claw machines can setup how much power the claw is and if you have weak claw meaning you need extra careful and focus to win the prize

Do you consider this a category of gambling game? Mini gambling machine yes hahahha but this is JuST IMo
What are the chances on long run? Skills matter, or do you have to be lucky, nevertheless? chances are good especially if you have skill a focus and yes luck are needed too

So you mean, It's real that some claw machine has been set up? that's why sometimes there's a low chance of winning because the claw didn't work well even if you already placed it correctly in your target item. If that's the case, They tricked their customer in order to play more and more until they get at least 1 item from that machine, It is considered as a type of mini gambling and just a normal game at the same time because it gives us an exciting and interesting game while spending A lot of money.

I think it is pretty much a fact this is the case, if not then a skilled player could win most of the time by simply getting better at manipulating the claw, so the owners of those machines need to find a way to counter those players, and the way to do that is by manipulating the strength of the claw, this way it does not matter how much skilled a person may get when using the claw, as if the claw itself is not working properly, then they have no way to win no matter what they do.

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Quote from: angrybirdy on April 26, 2024, 05:54:29 AM

So you mean, It's real that some claw machine has been set up? that's why sometimes there's a low chance of winning because the claw didn't work well even if you already placed it correctly in your target item. If that's the case, They tricked their customer in order to play more and more until they get at least 1 item from that machine, It is considered as a type of mini gambling and just a normal game at the same time because it gives us an exciting and interesting game while spending A lot of money.

It could be right because the owners doesn't wants to sees many people can wins from their machines so they will figures out how to prevents people to wins. If some people can wins, that means they have their luck as we knows that claw machine is based on the luck. If those people can't wins, they don't have their luck but they will try it in the other days. They used their customer greediness to play more which means they knows how to tempts their customer to spends more money to wins some prizes. Some people really gets tempts to keeps playing claw machine and not realizes that they already spent much money. That's why claw machine is one of the gambling games that offers fun to their customer because the customer can try over and over to wins the prizes.

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Quote from: angrybirdy on April 26, 2024, 05:54:29 AM

Quote from: dansus021 on April 26, 2024, 05:26:31 AM

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So you mean, It's real that some claw machine has been set up? that's why sometimes there's a low chance of winning because the claw didn't work well even if you already placed it correctly in your target item. If that's the case, They tricked their customer in order to play more and more until they get at least 1 item from that machine, It is considered as a type of mini gambling and just a normal game at the same time because it gives us an exciting and interesting game while spending A lot of money.

Yeah you can set up the strength or adjust the claw machine if you the owner you can set the claw more tight or more loose when grab something and hahhaha ring a bell it is similiar with playing gatcha in games and I personally consider that as a gambling too hahaha.

Oh one more thing if you still curious about claw machine consider checking google this "can we setup the strength of claw machine" there are also videos tutorial in it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zL0GO9SCHwU

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Quote from: angrybirdy on April 26, 2024, 05:54:29 AM

~snip~
So you mean, It's real that some claw machine has been set up? that's why sometimes there's a low chance of winning because the claw didn't work well even if you already placed it correctly in your target item. If that's the case, They tricked their customer in order to play more and more until they get at least 1 item from that machine, It is considered as a type of mini gambling and just a normal game at the same time because it gives us an exciting and interesting game while spending A lot of money.

I think those machines must go through some kind of "certification" just like the gambling machines have to.

Otherwise they could simply not give you prizes, ever, which would be a scam I think.

One thing is to be difficult to win, other to be impossible.

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Quote from: dansus021 on April 26, 2024, 05:26:31 AM

Hahahhaha very very good question is Claw Machines: a category of gambling? Claw machine is everywhere and kid loves it, adult people loves it I mean who dont like this game hahahah and this is personal opinion but I would condider claw machine as mini gambling machine Grin

why because I heard that the owner of the claw machines can setup how much power the claw is and if you have weak claw meaning you need extra careful and focus to win the prize

Do you consider this a category of gambling game? Mini gambling machine yes hahahha but this is JuST IMo
What are the chances on long run? Skills matter, or do you have to be lucky, nevertheless? chances are good especially if you have skill a focus and yes luck are needed too

So you mean, It's real that some claw machine has been set up? that's why sometimes there's a low chance of winning because the claw didn't work well even if you already placed it correctly in your target item. If that's the case, They tricked their customer in order to play more and more until they get at least 1 item from that machine, It is considered as a type of mini gambling and just a normal game at the same time because it gives us an exciting and interesting game while spending A lot of money.

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Hahahhaha very very good question is Claw Machines: a category of gambling? Claw machine is everywhere and kid loves it, adult people loves it I mean who dont like this game hahahah and this is personal opinion but I would condider claw machine as mini gambling machine Grin

why because I heard that the owner of the claw machines can setup how much power the claw is and if you have weak claw meaning you need extra careful and focus to win the prize

Do you consider this a category of gambling game? Mini gambling machine yes hahahha but this is JuST IMo
What are the chances on long run? Skills matter, or do you have to be lucky, nevertheless? chances are good especially if you have skill a focus and yes luck are needed too

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Exactly. I personally don't think that the grip strength can be tweaked in real time, but I'm sure the thing is designed the way that the grip is very weak and can easily lose the prize at any moment.

I had asked one of the puppet claw machine technicians I had met,
they said that the claw force would be strong enough when it reached the specified number of coins.

So it will be quite strong when many coins are inserted, but it will only happen in 1 chance.

Everything has been arranged in such a way that it is not easy to pinch a doll or other types of claw machines.

I think there are at least several different types of claw machines, and maybe that particular one in that particular place was designed like they told you, but I'm sure there are many others, much simpler than that. They are just designed to hold the prize(if they caught it) with pretty weak grip, weak enough to lose most of the prizes right away or along the road. It's all mechanical, no sophisticated programming involved.

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Quote from: DaNNy001 on April 24, 2024, 04:13:06 PM

Absolutely correct mate, fairness in gambling isn't distributed uniformly. All casino and gambling always make the winning possibility minimal, so that they can make more profit while giving you the hope of making huge wins. One of the best advertising strategy use by gamble developers is the ability to make available huge wins that can be won using a small stack, but in real sense it would be very difficult to make that win, and that's why gamblers keep trying their lucks.The company behind the claw machine is smart for making a eye catching design, usually for more of the youths. However luck is just the basic explanation to the outcome, of any gambling game and not skill.

The possibility of winning is deliberately created and in almost all forms of gambling we find something like that. But the problem lies in who will be lucky to get that big win and not everyone can achieve it.
We get caught up in the advertising they are trying to develop and most people experience the thought of chasing big wins with small stacks. The smart claw machine is designed as a game and I see that there are many companies that have developed it in areas that are generally visited by young people.
It's a place of fun and people will put in coins to play it and it will probably grow quite a bit in the next few years.

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