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Quote from: mu_enrico on April 08, 2024, 10:09:08 AM

I don't recommend playing this machine since there's no fairness certification, unlike slot machines with certification or a license. If the prize is just a toy, then it's not gambling by definition, but if the prize is money, then it's gambling. This machine is easy to tweak or compromise, so even if you're a skilled "crawler," you still can get bad results. There are many YouTube videos testing and explaining this machine.

In a casino the prizes are tokens, redeemable to money.

Not sure if that is the main difference as you can also exchange the toy for money.

I think the main difference, legally speaking, is that one is a game of chance (gambling) and the other is a game of skill (crawl machine)

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I don't recommend playing this machine since there's no fairness certification, unlike slot machines with certification or a license. If the prize is just a toy, then it's not gambling by definition, but if the prize is money, then it's gambling. This machine is easy to tweak or compromise, so even if you're a skilled "crawler," you still can get bad results. There are many YouTube videos testing and explaining this machine.

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Quote from: bakasabo on April 04, 2024, 05:04:10 AM

For me claw machines require little skill to play, as everything depends from how owner set claw strength. User can simply randomly move controller and randomly choose item. If claw closing strength is enough, it will hold the prize like close grip. But in most cases we see how claw shakes and drops the prize the next second claw was closed. However that is ok. Low skill requirement is perfect for everyone to try to win the prize.

How does one determine though if the claw strength can be adjusted or controlled? I've tried all those YouTube hacks in claw machines including the ones you've mentioned but I just end up being frustrated with my tokens gone. I do see some people being able to get small prices but the ones that are a bit pricey? Haven't seen any take home a price. I look at it as a scam because I haven't won anything from the time I started playing, lol.

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Quote from: EluguHcman on April 05, 2024, 05:38:23 PM

Oh yes I would consider such gambling game specifically a game of fun challenging and daring to make sure you pick up something and with some technical factors demanded so that what you picks does not fall off due to the slippery key stick, I would consider it a skillful game but alongside luck is still involved because your skills can not do it all.

It would actually be much game of funs because I Will always come with friends to play in challenging each other on who would be successful on the picks. There also we can have a P2P bets amongst us.

At this level of game people will look at the ability to play even though it cannot be separated from luck, games like this are considered not to have the same vision as gambling, even though in plain terms they may be a little more similar.
I usually take my loved ones to a place like that to play one or two times, but the prizes are dolls and other toys, to play the game like that we have to put in a few coins.

I think the opportunity in the long term will be an alternative for people who are addicted to gambling. Although I don't know whether that will be the solution because this game can be played casually when we visit during work holidays with the family.

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Quote from: uneng on March 31, 2024, 12:29:40 PM

Do you consider this a category of gambling game? What are the chances on long run? Skills matter, or do you have to be lucky, nevertheless?

Oh yes I would consider such gambling game specifically a game of fun challenging and daring to make sure you pick up something and with some technical factors demanded so that what you picks does not fall off due to the slippery key stick, I would consider it a skillful game but alongside luck is still involved because your skills can not do it all.

It would actually be much game of funs because I Will always come with friends to play in challenging each other on who would be successful on the picks. There also we can have a P2P bets amongst us.

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Quote from: uneng on March 31, 2024, 12:29:40 PM

Do you consider this a category of gambling game? What are the chances on long run? Skills matter, or do you have to be lucky, nevertheless?

yep, of course it's one of the skill based gambling game categories.
the main reason why I say this is because something is at stake and to produce something certain, it can be said to be gambling and the claw machine is one of them.
it is impossible to pick up money using the claw even though the claw has been designed in such a way as to make it difficult for customers to get the money.
it's the same as lifting a large stone using only 3 fingers.
sometimes this type of game really attracts beginner gamblers who think it is very easy to get money but when you spend money trying it it will still be difficult and for me in the long run it won't work unless you have the right tricks to be able to take the money.

but if there is one person who is successful in getting money using the claw, the staff or owner of the claw machine will definitely rearrange the claw to provide new difficulties.
so that when people who have previously succeeded in getting money from the machine use tricks or skills that were previously used, they will definitely not succeed.

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For me I consider it as a gambling because you risk your money in order to get the prize that you want.
For me everything that have a risk is gambling, I mean those that depend much more on luck without much skills needed.
Any games or form of entertainment with money or risk involve I consider those as gambling.

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The truth is, they prey on that feeling of control. Makes you think you're about to win big, and that's the genius of it. But hey, claw machines, slots, same difference really; you're betting on luck, not on your talent. Just remember, the house always wins, even if the prizes are softer

Yes, they make you think that whether you win or no depends on your actions, while you can perfectly catch the prize with the claws and then it drops off for no reason. You have the same feeling with slots when you four scatters to get the bonus round and you already have three and there are a lot of rolling reels and you expect to see another scatter on one of them but end up empty handed. It's a typical gambling thing those Claw Machines are.

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Quote from: nullama on April 05, 2024, 02:48:50 AM

Quote from: bakasabo on April 04, 2024, 05:04:10 AM

For me claw machines require little skill to play, as everything depends from how owner set claw strength. User can simply randomly move controller and randomly choose item. If claw closing strength is enough, it will hold the prize like close grip. But in most cases we see how claw shakes and drops the prize the next second claw was closed. However that is ok. Low skill requirement is perfect for everyone to try to win the prize.

I think of it a bit as of fair games. Everything is kinda set up for the player to lose but still being a bit close to winning.

Very similar to gambling. But in my mind there is the difference that the outcome is not generated at random. There is some level of skill involved.

I would call claw machine a very light version of gambling. Because it might cause interest, but not addiction. Never heard that someone is addicted to claw machines. It is easy to stop. And when you get that prize, you stop gambling and it does not motivate you to continue. Greed factor is very little in this case.

I see that South Park has mentioned it can develop addiction among kids, but from what I saw, kids stop when they get a plushie prize. After getting a toy, I have never seen them asking for more or other. They focus on one specific, you get it for them and you are a hero for the rest of the day.

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This is mostly a skill game rather than gambling.You know everything you need to know here and there are no hidden surprises like a changed RTP so much common nowadays in absolutely every reputable casino and new ones.In here if you are skillful enough or better smart enough to learn the patterns of how those prizes move by trying a few times it can make you skillful enough to get the paper money or the best electronic gadget these machines offer.

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Quote from: bakasabo on April 04, 2024, 05:04:10 AM

For me claw machines require little skill to play, as everything depends from how owner set claw strength. User can simply randomly move controller and randomly choose item. If claw closing strength is enough, it will hold the prize like close grip. But in most cases we see how claw shakes and drops the prize the next second claw was closed. However that is ok. Low skill requirement is perfect for everyone to try to win the prize.

I think of it a bit as of fair games. Everything is kinda set up for the player to lose but still being a bit close to winning.

Very similar to gambling. But in my mind there is the difference that the outcome is not generated at random. There is some level of skill involved.

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Quote from: South Park on April 03, 2024, 06:07:18 PM

Quote from: uneng on March 31, 2024, 12:29:40 PM

Nowadays you can find these claw machines in many stores, restaurants and malls. They are popular among young people, and are always shining captivating colours to the eyes. Most of them reward soft toy or cuddly toy and electronic gadgets, while there are also few versions where you can grab paper money available. You just have to be skilled enough to manage collecting the prize with the claw, dropping it into the collect box right after.

In order to play, you have to risk money from your pocket for a single or few attempts with the claw. In most attempts, however, it's like the prize will slip from the claw or you won't even achieve collecting anything with it, since it's made of a slippy metal.

Do you consider this a category of gambling game? What are the chances on long run? Skills matter, or do you have to be lucky, nevertheless?

Without a doubt this is a form of gambling, it is just that it has become so common place that people no longer think about those machines on that way, however those machines fulfill all the conditions you may expect out of a slot machine, so it is important that parents keep a close attention to their kids and make sure they do not spend too much time on those machines, otherwise they may find themselves facing the terrible problem of having their child developing some gambling issues at a very early age.

Well, you have a point, since there is a money involve by doing this, It is advisable to all parents out there to watch their children playing this, maybe for other people they will not consider it as a gambling because it is placed in public arcade places where the first thing people will think is that it is just a normal game.Maybe it depends on us how we will think about the claw machine, whether it is a type of gambing or is it just a normal game? no matter what it is, there's only one thing that's important here, let's be a responsible players. If we feel that the machine is cheating us because it's rare to get stuff in it, we should think about whether the time and money we spent for the prize we can get is worth it? others don't look at what they can get because they are focused on the thought that they got a prize using the claw machine, they are challenged because many people try to play it but they don't get anything until they run out of tokens.

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For me claw machines require little skill to play, as everything depends from how owner set claw strength. User can simply randomly move controller and randomly choose item. If claw closing strength is enough, it will hold the prize like close grip. But in most cases we see how claw shakes and drops the prize the next second claw was closed. However that is ok. Low skill requirement is perfect for everyone to try to win the prize.

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Quote from: South Park on April 03, 2024, 06:07:18 PM

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Without a doubt this is a form of gambling, it is just that it has become so common place that people no longer think about those machines on that way, however those machines fulfill all the conditions you may expect out of a slot machine, so it is important that parents keep a close attention to their kids and make sure they do not spend too much time on those machines, otherwise they may find themselves facing the terrible problem of having their child developing some gambling issues at a very early age.

These machines are not random. That's a crucial difference to a slot machine.

On a slot machine you simply press a button and the outcome is defined by chance.

In these machines you have way more control over the outcome. You can maneuver the grip in both directions, and choose when to send it to grab stuff. There's a lot of skill to this. Of course it's difficult to win, but the outcome is not random.

Huge difference, even legal in some places as in, anyone can put these machines but you would need a license for the slot machines.

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Quote from: uneng on March 31, 2024, 12:29:40 PM

Nowadays you can find these claw machines in many stores, restaurants and malls. They are popular among young people, and are always shining captivating colours to the eyes. Most of them reward soft toy or cuddly toy and electronic gadgets, while there are also few versions where you can grab paper money available. You just have to be skilled enough to manage collecting the prize with the claw, dropping it into the collect box right after.

In order to play, you have to risk money from your pocket for a single or few attempts with the claw. In most attempts, however, it's like the prize will slip from the claw or you won't even achieve collecting anything with it, since it's made of a slippy metal.

Do you consider this a category of gambling game? What are the chances on long run? Skills matter, or do you have to be lucky, nevertheless?

Without a doubt this is a form of gambling, it is just that it has become so common place that people no longer think about those machines on that way, however those machines fulfill all the conditions you may expect out of a slot machine, so it is important that parents keep a close attention to their kids and make sure they do not spend too much time on those machines, otherwise they may find themselves facing the terrible problem of having their child developing some gambling issues at a very early age.

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Quote from: summonerrk on April 03, 2024, 09:12:09 AM

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Have you ever noticed how rare it is to see someone actually win in a claw machine?
It seems that these toys are always out of reach. I wonder if there is a way to check the winning percentage in any claw machine. It would be interesting to know if these are really fair games or if they are designed to make winning almost impossible.

I am not sure if these arcades have been setting up and making it easy to believe that each of us can win those toys that can easily be reached. It seems to me that they hire someone or one of their staff pretends to be a goer and just plays there casually with a lot of tokens and trying to get those toys that even if they're far from reach, they're attracting us as if they're easy to make. I am not sure if those tiktok videos that I have watched showing some tricks on how to easily take those toys are for real. It's a setup I believe and there's no hack in it and they are more of a promotional video that they're doing to attract goers go to them and buy tons of tokens or avail their discounted prices and promos.

I don't think that they're a fair game and none of them really is fair because it's a business. Expect that these games that can be found in amusement parks and arcades are there to play fair only for the establishment itself while giving small percentage of winners win. You see that these claw machines won't really have a strong grip unless you go in Japan and I think that games there are fairer and they're honest people. So, in the conclusion if these are gambling, I'd say yes. The same goes for the casinos that has their own tokens, we exchange real fiat money in exchange for their native tokens to be admitted and allowed to play inside.

I think that promoters know perfectly well how to advertise a claw machine, and that's why there are so many videos with "secrets of success" in TikTok and similar video services where pretty girls easily pull out toys. I don't believe any of these videos and consider them promotional.

I am a fool to be honest and tried those tricks as if I am going to win all of those stuff toys that are inside the claw machine. Don't laugh at me as I did really tried it but nothing happened and I have wasted some money on it. So, that's actually a gamble that like someone gives a prediction or signal that everyone must follow but in the end of it, you get nothing and you'll just hear a "nice try" from those folks that have advertised it as is.

Quote from: summonerrk on April 03, 2024, 09:12:09 AM

Judge for yourself: if you were the owner of a many o claw machines, would you not have made such promotional videos? after all, their cost is scanty: a hired girl and a tik tok.

Yeah, hire a sexy tiktoker and you'll give her the incentive with some talent fee and also gifts from those claw machine. You only have to show the name of the arcade or establishment and you're good to go. This is very normal as many people are gullible in the internet and that includes me if it's with the matters of these toys since I want to have as much as I can and wanting to give my kid with those toys and also my kid relatives. Anyway, it's sure a lucrative business and that's why just as gambling, there are many people that goes there everyday trying their luck which is significant to gambling.

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It really depends on how an individual will view the claw machine. It can be viewed as gambling since you are risking your money. If money is involved and players are playing for the prize, especially if they are spending a lot, then it can be interpreted as gambling since some of the claw machines are influenced by chance. Another thing we can consider is that if the grip of the claw in the machine is randomized every time you try, it can be considered gambling since there are chances involved. On the other hand, it cannot be considered gambling since players are using a joystick or a controller to control the claw. With that, players are using their skill to get the prize rather than luck or chance, which are the key factors of gambling like slots and lottery.

Gambling or not, the more important thing is that the player is having fun!

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Quote from: passwordnow on April 02, 2024, 06:39:33 PM

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Have you ever noticed how rare it is to see someone actually win in a claw machine?
It seems that these toys are always out of reach. I wonder if there is a way to check the winning percentage in any claw machine. It would be interesting to know if these are really fair games or if they are designed to make winning almost impossible.

I am not sure if these arcades have been setting up and making it easy to believe that each of us can win those toys that can easily be reached. It seems to me that they hire someone or one of their staff pretends to be a goer and just plays there casually with a lot of tokens and trying to get those toys that even if they're far from reach, they're attracting us as if they're easy to make. I am not sure if those tiktok videos that I have watched showing some tricks on how to easily take those toys are for real. It's a setup I believe and there's no hack in it and they are more of a promotional video that they're doing to attract goers go to them and buy tons of tokens or avail their discounted prices and promos.

I don't think that they're a fair game and none of them really is fair because it's a business. Expect that these games that can be found in amusement parks and arcades are there to play fair only for the establishment itself while giving small percentage of winners win. You see that these claw machines won't really have a strong grip unless you go in Japan and I think that games there are fairer and they're honest people. So, in the conclusion if these are gambling, I'd say yes. The same goes for the casinos that has their own tokens, we exchange real fiat money in exchange for their native tokens to be admitted and allowed to play inside.

I think that promoters know perfectly well how to advertise a claw machine, and that's why there are so many videos with "secrets of success" in TikTok and similar video services where pretty girls easily pull out toys. I don't believe any of these videos and consider them promotional.

Judge for yourself: if you were the owner of a many o claw machines, would you not have made such promotional videos? after all, their cost is scanty: a hired girl and a tik tok.

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Quote from: uneng on March 31, 2024, 12:29:40 PM

Do you consider this a category of gambling game?

I think it's another part of gambling, but the game is different and most of the people who play on claw machines like that are quite young, although there are some older people who also play.

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What are the chances on long run?

It is gaming in nature and perhaps in the long run it has the potential to reach a much bigger stage, because when people bring their families to such places they can play while enjoying the challenge.
After all, when we visit certain places we will also spend money and maybe it will become a place for children to play.

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Skills matter, or do you have to be lucky, nevertheless?

This type of game is available in several places such as shopping centers and places where money games are made, what I see is that there are many games of this kind that are starting to be made for the benefit of young people. I don't think you need skill to play this game because it still relies on luck.

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Although it has many qualities that are similar to gambling, such as luck, odds, and involves risking money, I don't think claw machines should be considered gambling. Because in claw machine any age can play the game, gambling has age restrictions when playing the games. Claw machines is a form of entertainment where you can get physical toys or plushies, although gambling is also seen as entertainment, claw machines are different in a way as for fun or challenge, than in gambling as risk-taking or financial gain or expectation of winning money.

So is it wrong for some people to consider this claw machine as gambling when there are people who never get anything after playing it several times? I don't think there is anything wrong with this kind of opinion by some people because in gambling there is also such a thing as luck, even though not all ages are allowed to gamble because they remember the risks that must be understood. But it seems like this claw machine can be considered as anything because it wouldn't be wrong if someone thought of it as entertainment or gambling.

We do have our own impressions on things but we do know that when it comes to these claw machines then it would really be just that not that wrong on telling that these are gambling but actually
this is really just that for fun. You would really make yourself paying up for some fee or bet or whatever to get that stuff toys or whatsoever prize inside that machine. Risks is there but
when it comes to overall idea on how these machines been created in the first place then it is really just that for fun. There are really just that people who are really that having those kind of
insights that it is really just that like betting. This is why it would really just that a matter of approach which it isnt really that wrong after all.

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