Well, technically they are, as they have designed to be work around for gambling regulations. Regulations on those can vary a lot, and so do the prices. I would assume that even owners of claw machines can't keep up with rapidly developed laws around them, as it's not too long ago as i saw i phones as price as a part of a carnival, that was passing by. And obviously drunk poor people saw that as an opportunity to show of their skills. These days that would get them charges on fraud because i am certain there are price limits for prizes on them.
Personally i don't see them as gambling because they are proven to be rigged many times, so i would classify them as scams.
Topic: Claw Machines: a category of gambling? - page 4. (Read 1247 times)
The only way to say claw machines isn't gambling if we can play for free, as long as you need to stake something valuable or money, it's fall to gambling, no matter what the prize or reward is.
Anyway, claw machines are just like normal slots, but you get less for the money and they are often rigged.
It's bold to say slots are rigged games, it's luck based games. Perhaps you didn't trust the gambling providers, that's why you say it's rigged. Claw machines is different, we can see how the claws is really weak and can't even grab the stuffs. 
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But if the claw machine is like in the last screenshot (real money?), it can be categorized as gambling because there is cash involved there.
Im still not sure whether its real money or play money that can be exchanged for gifts? If its play money, I dont think it can be categorized as gambling.
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But if the claw machine is like in the last screenshot (real money?), it can be categorized as gambling because there is cash involved there.
Im still not sure whether its real money or play money that can be exchanged for gifts? If its play money, I dont think it can be categorized as gambling.
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There is a commonly shared definition of gambling, but even more important than that definition is the semantic field you personally link to that word.
To me, everything that has to do with chance and money is a way of gambling. Trading is a way of gambling (unpopular opinion), hodling is a way of (long term) gambling, loots in video games that can be sold for real money are a way of gambling and, therefore, the machine in the last screenshot, as long as it is real money, is a clear way of gambling.
And what about legacy claw machines? as long as the prize has nothing to do with money, it doesn't fully fall under my definition of gambling. But it is a game based on chance where you look for something you want... so, to me, we could say that it is some kind of semi-gambling, although not in the tradicional sense of the term.
Working is also a way of gambling, because money are involved and there are chances not to get paid
Think about that all of you who say gambling is bad because it raises addiction All of you are already addicted gamblers ha-ha. Btw, all that video gaming stuff (skins, loot boxes, purchases to get extra strength over regular players) does not defined as gambling (at least from what Ive heard). Its in-game purchases. Even though players pay real money to test their luck.
For me, claw machines are a light version of gambling. Kids oriented gambling. Because they often are located at arcade game areas. But, since its idea is exchange of money for a chance, that is gambling for me.
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But if the claw machine is like in the last screenshot (real money?), it can be categorized as gambling because there is cash involved there.
Im still not sure whether its real money or play money that can be exchanged for gifts? If its play money, I dont think it can be categorized as gambling.
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But if the claw machine is like in the last screenshot (real money?), it can be categorized as gambling because there is cash involved there.
Im still not sure whether its real money or play money that can be exchanged for gifts? If its play money, I dont think it can be categorized as gambling.
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There is a commonly shared definition of gambling, but even more important than that definition is the semantic field you personally link to that word.
To me, everything that has to do with chance and money is a way of gambling. Trading is a way of gambling (unpopular opinion), hodling is a way of (long term) gambling, loots in video games that can be sold for real money are a way of gambling and, therefore, the machine in the last screenshot, as long as it is real money, is a clear way of gambling.
And what about legacy claw machines? as long as the prize has nothing to do with money, it doesn't fully fall under my definition of gambling. But it is a game based on chance where you look for something you want... so, to me, we could say that it is some kind of semi-gambling, although not in the tradicional sense of the term.
i think that the claw machine is a type of gambling, because you bet a certain amount of money to be able to move the machine to get various prizes in it. but some people say it is a game based on skill, others say it is luck. personally, i would say it is both, because each machine can be different depending on the developer. there are machines that can be easily moved and get prizes if we understand the tricks, but there are also machines that are quite difficult to get prizes in. so it can vary depending on the machine.
I see a claw machine as some kind of entertainment, as in playing in those games at carnivals.
Having a look at wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carnival_game) it shows that there are actually two types of these games, one that is skilled based, and one that is chance based. In the latter case then it would be similar to gambling.
Interesting.
i think that the claw machine is a type of gambling, because you bet a certain amount of money to be able to move the machine to get various prizes in it. but some people say it is a game based on skill, others say it is luck. personally, i would say it is both, because each machine can be different depending on the developer. there are machines that can be easily moved and get prizes if we understand the tricks, but there are also machines that are quite difficult to get prizes in. so it can vary depending on the machine.
For me claw machines require little skill to play, as everything depends from how owner set claw strength. User can simply randomly move controller and randomly choose item. If claw closing strength is enough, it will hold the prize like close grip. But in most cases we see how claw shakes and drops the prize the next second claw was closed. However that is ok. Low skill requirement is perfect for everyone to try to win the prize.
How does one determine though if the claw strength can be adjusted or controlled? I've tried all those YouTube hacks in claw machines including the ones you've mentioned but I just end up being frustrated with my tokens gone. I do see some people being able to get small prices but the ones that are a bit pricey? Haven't seen any take home a price. I look at it as a scam because I haven't won anything from the time I started playing, lol.
If you havent wont anything that does not mean this is a scam. You have said it yourself - you saw people winning small prizes. Claw machines are sort of gambling, when you know the machine is rigged, you know that owner is going to cheat you, but you still try your luck and try to get the prize with minimum attempts. It is possible to get any prize from that machine, gamblers just need to be more persistent. A lot of people try to get prize with first attempts, with spare change they have, as well as they dont this game serious. That is why they lose and call it scam. I dont use this machines frequent, as I rarely have coins and they dont accept cards. But in a tourist places abroad, I have managed to get plush toys several times.
I didn't say it's an actual scam, though. It's a personal point of view, and I'm sure I'm not the only one seeing it that way. Also, being persistent means spending more time and money on something that would probably be cheaper if you buy directly. You'll be spending a lot more trying to get plush toys from claw machines than buying these toys from actual toy stores. There are people who are good in playing claw machines but I'll bet there are a whole lot more who just end up spending on tokens and getting nothing. It's generally a good place to waste time and money. Note the term "waste"
Although you have seen someone who do able to pull one on which you would really be making yourself having that kind of persevering on getting one too.
Can it be considered gambling? Well it would really be just that depending into your approach because if you are making up some paying up for the sake of fun and there
are ones who do make out some bets on getting something. It would really be just that depending on how someone will really be treating up this one.
For me claw machines require little skill to play, as everything depends from how owner set claw strength. User can simply randomly move controller and randomly choose item. If claw closing strength is enough, it will hold the prize like close grip. But in most cases we see how claw shakes and drops the prize the next second claw was closed. However that is ok. Low skill requirement is perfect for everyone to try to win the prize.
How does one determine though if the claw strength can be adjusted or controlled? I've tried all those YouTube hacks in claw machines including the ones you've mentioned but I just end up being frustrated with my tokens gone. I do see some people being able to get small prices but the ones that are a bit pricey? Haven't seen any take home a price. I look at it as a scam because I haven't won anything from the time I started playing, lol.
If you havent wont anything that does not mean this is a scam. You have said it yourself - you saw people winning small prizes. Claw machines are sort of gambling, when you know the machine is rigged, you know that owner is going to cheat you, but you still try your luck and try to get the prize with minimum attempts. It is possible to get any prize from that machine, gamblers just need to be more persistent. A lot of people try to get prize with first attempts, with spare change they have, as well as they dont this game serious. That is why they lose and call it scam. I dont use this machines frequent, as I rarely have coins and they dont accept cards. But in a tourist places abroad, I have managed to get plush toys several times.
I didn't say it's an actual scam, though. It's a personal point of view, and I'm sure I'm not the only one seeing it that way. Also, being persistent means spending more time and money on something that would probably be cheaper if you buy directly. You'll be spending a lot more trying to get plush toys from claw machines than buying these toys from actual toy stores. There are people who are good in playing claw machines but I'll bet there are a whole lot more who just end up spending on tokens and getting nothing. It's generally a good place to waste time and money. Note the term "waste"
OP it is 100% gambling. One you can mostly find claw machines in the casinos, so you are charged a certain amount to play it. The risk in the game is extremely high since it is to successfully have a strong grab after several failed attempts.
By the way i still see claw machines as a rigged game. And i expect gamblers to take less risk playing claw games. There is wide spread of rumors that the owner of claw machines mostly customized it to win 1/50 attempts, some who have pity would make it 1/20. Such game is consider having lesser payouts to the gamblers. Although it is cheaper to lay that is why people try so many times to see if they can win by all means.
By the way i still see claw machines as a rigged game. And i expect gamblers to take less risk playing claw games. There is wide spread of rumors that the owner of claw machines mostly customized it to win 1/50 attempts, some who have pity would make it 1/20. Such game is consider having lesser payouts to the gamblers. Although it is cheaper to lay that is why people try so many times to see if they can win by all means.
I feel like that's what they are. Just a way for the owners to make some money because the machines usually have cheap stuff in them. You see a wrist watch that looks good but it's going to be a cheap knockoff most of the time. Sure it's worth more than you pay for the game but it's still not going to be a big win if you get it.
There are claw machines where you try to get real money, like dollar bills inside containers, but that's a rarity.
Anyway, claw machines are just like normal slots, but you get less for the money and they are often rigged.
I love claw machines, and I love those machines where you put in quarters that roll down in to the main machine that has some sort of pushing mechanism where you can eventually/potentially win a bunch of other quarters as well as they typically add in stuff like jewelry, stuffed animals and things of that nature. I definity view it as a form of gambling, personally. I think there are better ways to gamble, but it's just for fun.
This is mostly a skill game rather than gambling.You know everything you need to know here and there are no hidden surprises like a changed RTP so much common nowadays in absolutely every reputable casino and new ones.In here if you are skillful enough or better smart enough to learn the patterns of how those prizes move by trying a few times it can make you skillful enough to get the paper money or the best electronic gadget these machines offer.
All of these machines have customization options and its owner can customize it in such a way that you will never win a prize. Therefore, I would say that these are not games where skill matters, but gambling, since essentially the owner controls the odds and naturally he sets them so that he always wins on average.
Other types of such machines (for example, where you have to push out a prize through holes of different diameters) are 100% gambling, since in them, despite the fact that you control the joystick, this does not in any way affect getting into the desired holes. The frequency of hits is adjusted in the device itself and the player’s efforts mean nothing.
I actually think that these types of machines are now getting extinct, the same goes with the arcade games and rides because kids or people now are more hooked or their eyes are rather glued on the screens of their gadgets but they are a hella fun thing to do.
I want them now more than before because I can now afford to spend more money and play time with them as I already have a job. I think it only involves a small level of skill but most thing that matters here is luck, just like any other gambling games, as that is the only way for them to stay longer in this business even though there is another thing that has taken them down. I already said the reason earlier.
I want them now more than before because I can now afford to spend more money and play time with them as I already have a job. I think it only involves a small level of skill but most thing that matters here is luck, just like any other gambling games, as that is the only way for them to stay longer in this business even though there is another thing that has taken them down. I already said the reason earlier.
For me claw machines require little skill to play, as everything depends from how owner set claw strength. User can simply randomly move controller and randomly choose item. If claw closing strength is enough, it will hold the prize like close grip. But in most cases we see how claw shakes and drops the prize the next second claw was closed. However that is ok. Low skill requirement is perfect for everyone to try to win the prize.
How does one determine though if the claw strength can be adjusted or controlled? I've tried all those YouTube hacks in claw machines including the ones you've mentioned but I just end up being frustrated with my tokens gone. I do see some people being able to get small prices but the ones that are a bit pricey? Haven't seen any take home a price. I look at it as a scam because I haven't won anything from the time I started playing, lol.
If you havent wont anything that does not mean this is a scam. You have said it yourself - you saw people winning small prizes. Claw machines are sort of gambling, when you know the machine is rigged, you know that owner is going to cheat you, but you still try your luck and try to get the prize with minimum attempts. It is possible to get any prize from that machine, gamblers just need to be more persistent. A lot of people try to get prize with first attempts, with spare change they have, as well as they dont this game serious. That is why they lose and call it scam. I dont use this machines frequent, as I rarely have coins and they dont accept cards. But in a tourist places abroad, I have managed to get plush toys several times.
I don't recommend playing this machine since there's no fairness certification, unlike slot machines with certification or a license. If the prize is just a toy, then it's not gambling by definition, but if the prize is money, then it's gambling. This machine is easy to tweak or compromise, so even if you're a skilled "crawler," you still can get bad results. There are many YouTube videos testing and explaining this machine.
In a casino the prizes are tokens, redeemable to money.
Not sure if that is the main difference as you can also exchange the toy for money.
I think the main difference, legally speaking, is that one is a game of chance (gambling) and the other is a game of skill (crawl machine)
I don't recommend playing this machine since there's no fairness certification, unlike slot machines with certification or a license. If the prize is just a toy, then it's not gambling by definition, but if the prize is money, then it's gambling. This machine is easy to tweak or compromise, so even if you're a skilled "crawler," you still can get bad results. There are many YouTube videos testing and explaining this machine.
For me claw machines require little skill to play, as everything depends from how owner set claw strength. User can simply randomly move controller and randomly choose item. If claw closing strength is enough, it will hold the prize like close grip. But in most cases we see how claw shakes and drops the prize the next second claw was closed. However that is ok. Low skill requirement is perfect for everyone to try to win the prize.
How does one determine though if the claw strength can be adjusted or controlled? I've tried all those YouTube hacks in claw machines including the ones you've mentioned but I just end up being frustrated with my tokens gone. I do see some people being able to get small prices but the ones that are a bit pricey? Haven't seen any take home a price. I look at it as a scam because I haven't won anything from the time I started playing, lol.
Oh yes I would consider such gambling game specifically a game of fun challenging and daring to make sure you pick up something and with some technical factors demanded so that what you picks does not fall off due to the slippery key stick, I would consider it a skillful game but alongside luck is still involved because your skills can not do it all.
It would actually be much game of funs because I Will always come with friends to play in challenging each other on who would be successful on the picks. There also we can have a P2P bets amongst us.
It would actually be much game of funs because I Will always come with friends to play in challenging each other on who would be successful on the picks. There also we can have a P2P bets amongst us.
At this level of game people will look at the ability to play even though it cannot be separated from luck, games like this are considered not to have the same vision as gambling, even though in plain terms they may be a little more similar.
I usually take my loved ones to a place like that to play one or two times, but the prizes are dolls and other toys, to play the game like that we have to put in a few coins.
I think the opportunity in the long term will be an alternative for people who are addicted to gambling. Although I don't know whether that will be the solution because this game can be played casually when we visit during work holidays with the family.
Do you consider this a category of gambling game? What are the chances on long run? Skills matter, or do you have to be lucky, nevertheless?
Oh yes I would consider such gambling game specifically a game of fun challenging and daring to make sure you pick up something and with some technical factors demanded so that what you picks does not fall off due to the slippery key stick, I would consider it a skillful game but alongside luck is still involved because your skills can not do it all.It would actually be much game of funs because I Will always come with friends to play in challenging each other on who would be successful on the picks. There also we can have a P2P bets amongst us.
Do you consider this a category of gambling game? What are the chances on long run? Skills matter, or do you have to be lucky, nevertheless?
yep, of course it's one of the skill based gambling game categories.the main reason why I say this is because something is at stake and to produce something certain, it can be said to be gambling and the claw machine is one of them.
it is impossible to pick up money using the claw even though the claw has been designed in such a way as to make it difficult for customers to get the money.
it's the same as lifting a large stone using only 3 fingers.
sometimes this type of game really attracts beginner gamblers who think it is very easy to get money but when you spend money trying it it will still be difficult and for me in the long run it won't work unless you have the right tricks to be able to take the money.
but if there is one person who is successful in getting money using the claw, the staff or owner of the claw machine will definitely rearrange the claw to provide new difficulties.
so that when people who have previously succeeded in getting money from the machine use tricks or skills that were previously used, they will definitely not succeed.
For me I consider it as a gambling because you risk your money in order to get the prize that you want.
For me everything that have a risk is gambling, I mean those that depend much more on luck without much skills needed.
Any games or form of entertainment with money or risk involve I consider those as gambling.
For me everything that have a risk is gambling, I mean those that depend much more on luck without much skills needed.
Any games or form of entertainment with money or risk involve I consider those as gambling.
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