Topic: Claw Machines: a category of gambling? - page 8. (Read 1375 times)

Hey man I disagree, this is gambling whether you call it stake or anything else it doesn't change the fact that you are gambling with your money to win or earn a reward on return. It may not meet your criteria of what gambling may mean to you but it's not just a game in as much as money has been risked in to play

For you to be skillful at any game you have  to be smart about it, inversely without being smart while on a game our skill will be under utilize limiting the chances of winning especially in gambling games that requires much part of the input of our skills to profit. There are types of gambling we partake in that doesn't require odds, in fact, odds isn't a yardstick to determine if an activity is gamble or not, it just doesn't count unlike when money is involved.

There are persons that can still get addicted to the game due to the fun it provides, perhaps this particular doesn't appeal to your kind of popular games that's why it doesn't narrow to your viewpoint as gambling in anyway.

I agree with you and I had the same opinion up to a certain point. Yes, it is clear that when the claw rises, it does not immediately grab the prize, but slowly closes when lifted. It really gives the feeling that it is not possible to grab the prize, but I want to tell you that when I traveled, in one of the southern countries
I saw a gumball machine that literally emptied a similar machine. It was like a miracle. She stood there and pulled something out of the machine every time! I do not know where this can be learned, but after that I realized that some people know how to handle a claw like a pro.

Here in my country these machines are a total success, I've tried playing a few times and the impression I have is that it is programmed to not be able to capture the prize because the claw to capture the prizes always seems to be weak.

The few times it appears to be programmed to make you win, you still need skill to capture the prize, it's a money machine (for its owner).

I don't like these machines, the impression is that there is no chance of winning.

For me no its just extracurricular activities which if you win you can get an item as rewards to the efforts you have done.

But you have the right to name it whatever you like since if you think its form as gambling since you need to spend some cash for low chance to get something in return then its fine as long as you have been satisfied with each participation you have been done, Also with the assessment of other people regarding on what is their view towards your questioned asked in this thread.

I've seen machines like this, even though gambling is illegal in my country, but if the machine looked like this it would definitely be banned because it involves money in it, usually I find machines like this in malls and in the machine there are lots of coins that have to be exchanged for cashiers. money or other prizes but I don't consider it completely gambling because if it was categorized as gambling it would definitely be prohibited, especially since the machine is available in the biggest mall in my country.

I just think that the machine is only a game in my opinion and is only for entertainment and is also played by children, even though it is true that there is a slight element of gambling in it where we have to bet with the coins we use to play the game, but it doesn't involve money. real, aka special coins from the shop, besides games like this, if I'm not mistaken, there are settings where it's not easy for people to win more than what is set, so I've never tried games like this even though I see them as interesting because I know I won't win them, lol Don't ever try games like this seriously, just use them as entertainment.

For me, I think it can be considered as gambling. Claw machines seem innocent fun and many people of different ages play the game, but, as you have mentioned, it involves risking money or a chance to win a prize. Like in gambling, it involves skills, odds, and luck. Skills on how you are going to maneuver the claw and position it correctly to get the price. Since the game is random, even skilled players struggle to win consistently. Then Odds, often stacked against players, making it difficult to win consistently. And Luck, whether the outcome of getting the prize is successful or not.

Although the game makes it seem like it's a game of skill  and so the players are trying to use their skills to "properly" capture the prize, I think whether the prize will be in your hands in the end totally depends on luck, so, I consider it as gambling. Everyone who played on Claw Machines even just couple of times in their life knows that. It's almost like thinking that if you stop the rolling of the reels on a slot at the "right" moment you'll win a big prize.

These stupid claw machines extract a decent amount from me whenever I go with my children to some entertainment place. It is useless for me to persuade children to give up such entertainment since I am sure that the machines are configured in such a way that, at the right moment, their desired toy will fall. In addition, in a simple store, these prizes are much cheaper than the number of coins that we spend on the next attempt. However, I don’t think that this is a game of chance; otherwise, one would suspect the children of gambling. It's just fun, and getting some laughter and joy is always good, especially when kids laugh.

I have heard rumors, that claw machines are programmed that claws will fully close only every 10th, for example, attempt. In all other 9 attempts, claw did not close full. Since people randomly choose toys and aim randomly, it is hard to tell which attempt will be «that one that is true». This might be fake, I am not an expert, did not test that strategy. But how else can we describe why toys squeeze out from claws most of the time, and there is one attempt when they close as strong as bear trap. If there were no skill needed, everyone would always win. For me gambling is combination of a bet, random/luck, prize. Claw machine has all of these, so it is gambling for me.

I really do not think this is gambling. This is fun rather because of the nature of the game. This game can be played with the family in a kind of outing where you and your family can just try their luck one after the other in the open and it is always done in the open for all to see.
This type of game does not require skills or tactics to win them but rather being smart enough to play the game. I believe good gamers are likely to win this more because they always play game often and know how to play games of this nature without any much stress on their path.

No, I don't think that is gambling. I played that just recently with my kids and it's just a game. But, I don't really like playing those because the chances of losing are way higher than it is with winning, yeah that sounds like gambling.
Those claws are always slippery, they made it that way so that it's rare to win or else they keep on refilling those boxes with toys and plushies. I am not good at it, that's all I can say. One of my kids though was happy when he played it, he clawed a lot of ticket bracelets out so he got to buy some toys in exchange for those tickets. It can still bring happiness to kids but I don't it can with oldies who knows it's difficult to win those claw games. I mean I'd rather buy the damn plushies than waste way more money in trying to get them that way.

It is gambling because you have to insert coin which is like the deposit we do in casinos in return to have a chance to win a stuff toy or anything that's inside the claw machine.

I don't usually win there and it's like 1:100 to me.

Both IMHO.

I am not sure with those tiktok videos that they're able to cheat out a claw machine and they were winning like it's a normal day to them for every token they insert.

OP it is 100% gambling. One you can mostly find claw machines in the casinos, so you are charged a certain amount to play it. The risk in the game is extremely high since it is to successfully have a strong grab after several failed attempts.

By the way i still see claw machines as a rigged game. And i expect gamblers to take less risk playing claw games. There is wide spread of rumors that the owner of claw machines mostly customized it to win 1/50 attempts, some who have pity would make it 1/20. Such game is consider having lesser payouts to the gamblers. Although it is cheaper to lay that is why people try so many times to see if they can win by all means.

It's funny how gambling are defined, but in my opinion, the moment people pay for a chance to win something, then we're dealing with gambling. If people were paying and receiving something without having any chance of losing their money because they didn't get it right, then that is gambling. gambling is any game that involves money and bets on a specific event. If two people are playing cards without betting money, then it is not gambling, but when they bet money, then it is gambling. and I believe that these Claw Machines need a license to be operated


source: https://thesun.my/style-life/going-viral/claw-machines-are-a-form-of-gambling-and-it-is-a-sin-to-play-them-LC9307409

I must agree with the words of this Malaysian government department, in a way this game can destroy children, because they will think that they need to play to win things and if parents take children to play frequently, then the consequences in the future will be serious. Children shouldn't play games to have some kind of compensation. they must play with toys that their parents buy. but our society is heading down an ungoverned path. Many parents don't have time for their children so to make it up to their children they will do things like this

Though, if those claw mechanisms are truly something which we could consider to be some kind of soft scam, then I wonder who they are allowed to operate and get imported to countries of both the developed world and the developing world.
At least, when you play lottery or dices on an online casino, you have some disclaimer on the stadisitical approximate chances you have in order to win the prize. With these claw machines there is no disclaimer or easy way for one to be aware what they actual possibilities are. Perhaps, that is what the operators of those machines count on, on the ignorance of the people and the greed when they see those big prizes stockpilled at the bottom of the machine.
I am sure less people would feel appealed by those claws if there was a disclaimer by the machines saying the chances of winning are approximately 1 in a 100.000 or something like it.

Since gambling is a regulated business, they are in the obligation to be probably fair and inform their gamblers of the chances of winning and also about the values of gambling responsibly. Claws are not regulated, it seems, so I bet it is a very grey area for people to make money with them in fairs and events, when children are around.

Gambling is any form of staking a fund and expecting a possible outcome in your favour, provided you are risking something to get another which isn't it's equivalent then there's every tendency of gambling in what you are doing so gambling doesn't have to be when you visit a casino and then you place a bet on a certain game and then you hope to win and if you don't you would then assume it wasn't a fair enough.

I will literally consider this to be gambling because it also has got some point of possible addiction,it can actually get to the point where it will become addictive to those who always goes to try and see if they will ever get lucky with it and just like t he casino game they may aswell lose their funds too and if they aren't disciplined enough to know when to stop, they would most likely end up loosing all their funds trying to get sometimes off their trials on the machine with several attempts so it's actually a gambling game but then this actually looks more fun and less serious.

I don't think any special Skil is required for this because the machine literally overwrite it's position at intervals so even if you think you have studied it well enough you may still be unlucky meanwhile someone who has just tried once or twice could turn out to be the lucky one and win so it doesn't look to me like a special skill is required to be able to play the game well and possibly get lucky enough to win something off it.

I haven't really thought much about it since it's usually kids who enjoys this but I guess you could consider it gambling but in a different form or "lighter version". I mean if there's no guarantee that you could get something in return after spending money then that's similar to casino games.

Yes, if only the one you will get is also money, I mean when the prize inside the claw machine is also money, then I consider it gambling, because you will use money in order to play and also will get money when you grab something. But the thing is, a claw machine is a difficult game or machine. Even if you are skilled, you can't do anything if the machine is rigged or the machine has certain conditions or a certain number of attempts, like a probability, but I doubt a claw machine with money in the prize will let the players get or grab the prize easily. Anyway, if this claw machine with money in price becomes famous, then most likely it will only be played in physical casinos and not online because, for sure, gamblers will not play the online or virtual version of the claw machine as it can be suspicious or cannot be trusted.

I'd much rather consider the one where you just put in coins and wait for it to fall gambling than this one. Rather than gambling, I'd most likely assume that machines only allow a set % of players to actually win by manipulating say the claws grip or timer or something. It's just that there are so many things the machine owner can do to cheat the system that it doesn't seem like gambling or skill anymore, just random winners.

Though in hindsight I guess rigging it makes it more of a gamble than a skill.

You would really be able to realize for yourself that those things are indeed that soft-scam. Never ever in my life and experience on getting a stuff toy or hitting up those gadgets or money
out of a claw machine and those shit claws are designed to be that too soft or having no force whenever it clips. You could try all you want but it would really be ending up on a none good result
but if course there would really be those people who do able to get some stuff if they were lucky, but in overall i dont see for it to be a gambling but rather to be an entertainment
of a certain user who would really be tending up to deal up with it. Staked money isnt really just that too big for you to consider that you are gambling out. You've been trying out your
shot on getting some prize out of that single coin you do put on but of course it would really be just that depending or basing up on someones approach and sentiments into their minds
if they would really be treating it up as some sort of gambling.