Topic: Cloudbet | Sportsbook and Casino | Bet with BTC and BCH | 100% Deposit Bonus - page 51. (Read 465733 times)

Welcome to the forum dude!

There are multiple issues we're looking at here. It's not just one player.

First of all, no one is continuing to bring up anything. Just you being disingenuous and weird.

And lol @ you taking what Cloudbet said completely out of context. They didn't say that you can have multiple accounts, circumvent their policies, send in false documents, and then they will work with you.

What they said is actually the complete opposite. If you are forthright with them and merely got caught playing from the USA the first time, and you were cooperative, then they will work things out with you. You did none of that. You cannot now after having not done it, and abused the situation, decide you now want to. Not that it matters anyways because you circumvented anyways. Certainly there are circumstances where a player is caught playing from the USA where things CANNOT be worked out. This is one of these cases.

Go away liar. No one is reading your psychotic rants. Everyone knows by now how unfair you are and you're just trying to distort facts and paint an unfair picture. Cloudbet shouldn't be bullied or forced into responding to you. They've already responded to you multiple times and you continued to fabricate documents, lie, and smear them in every which way. Enough is enough. They have no further obligation to work with you. You actually have an obligation to shut up and go away.

Oc, you are very fair in your assertions and I will do my best to memorize by heart these important forum rules so as to "stay in my lane" so to speak.  I will continue asserting my points for why precedent is overwhelmingly in my favor for awarding back the account balance of an account caught using VPN from the states.  I appreciate bitcointalk more than words can express and with eternal gratitude for allowing me the platform to bring to light these important facts about my case to the public in order to get through to Cloudbet about prematurely closing the case.

Again thank you for being fair to the player and not silencing a player victim in a casino dispute matter.  I realize I broke ToS, and I will never do this again, I have learned my lesson.  I am a losing bettor in many ways, and this is just another way that I find leaks in my game and losing money and time and energy on perhaps a fleeting pursuit that is gambling with precious cryptocurrency by ever-so-carelessly breaking ToS (extremely non-malicious with no abuse intended, all bets and wagers were made fairly and without intent to cheat in any way). However, I will continue to assert my points about my case being unbelievably strong in favor of returning the deposits- and until this is resolved I will do everything to abide by all forum rules while bringing relevant facts and updates to the attention of the bitcoin wagering community.



With that being said...

• In the picture in my previous post, I've included some highlights of key incongruencies from a case from 2 years ago until now.  NO idea why they decide not to pay account balances all of a sudden when they clearly state this is something they "always do" with cooperation, even though right off the bat they were trying to deny me any cashouts.  It may be in bad taste but I feel for the good of the community the following point needs to be brought up: it is alarming to suddenly change so brazenly from a sincere resolution of a case stating that even when falsities are provided with co-operation account balances are always returned in regards to non-maliciously breaking ToS as has been previously stated in an official post from Cloudbet- and so the issue of why Cloudbet has not proven their liquidity and ability to expediently process large cashouts to a winning account.  I believe the way the case was shut with brazen attempts to evaporate the account balance and deposits were alarming since the precedent says with co-operation the account balance is always returned to the player when connecting via VPN from the States. In my case, with the previous points and following points:  if a book takes action from you for 11 weeks while losing, processing deposits and cashouts, then decides on the 12th week to ban you only after you deposit a large amount and then evaporate the balance- that is basically what happened here, so with these highlighted points I believe my case is stronger than ever to receive back my deposits into the account.  There should be no situation where a big and successful and trusted book in the crypto and sports wagering community should accept action from and not at least pay back the account balance let alone deposits.  This is why this case is worth bringing to the attention of the community until it is seen through.  The community should be asking whether liquidity issues and the ability to pay large wins play a role in the sudden alarming policy change with how to deal with player disputes and USA vpn users breaking ToS for the first time non-maliciously.  This is why the case is relevant to the community- because of the sudden alarming policy changes to evaporate account balances rather than returning to the player, it is not a question I should be asking but the community.  It has been two years since Cloudbet has shown proof of funds and liquidity (as shown in my previous post they did this while also saying they always return deposits and balance to player- what changed Cloudbet?).
  

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I thank the community for continuing to bring up these points with not only Cloudbet, but any issue arising with an anonymous crypto-currency casino.  It is our duty to regulate our environment in this disruptive industry and economy.

• I believe the higher-ups haven't looked at the mis-grade error on their part which caused the negative btc balance and I think once this is cleared up it should be clear as day to rule in favor of paying the account balance- I have confidence that Cloudbet will accept my offer to co-operate to come to a resolution and expediate the process.
  
• Thank you to you all for following this case and your continued support of paying player balances when no malicious intent or abuse has incurred and full cooperation in clearing up any falsities and whatever else is needed to come to a full resolution for both parties.  Please get back in touch with me asap Cloudbet.  I have not heard from you in quite some time and there are a lot of new facts presented, thank you ever so kindly.  Please see below highlighted points from one of the past cases which sets a precedent for my case.  No idea why account balances are not being paid after this very sincere post by Cloudbet.
  
• Again, Cloudbet, your silence for the past weeks is deafening.  I am awaiting mutual amicable communication on the matter to resolve this expediently (mostly by fault of my own for providing mis-leading facts.  However here I am being forthright on my own accord, so I believe we can co-operate and come to a resolution).  I am ready willing and able to co-operate fully to resolve this expediently and will continue to bring valid points to the community about the case until it is resolved and seen through.  I believe cases like these do bring an important light to the community and other players and should be an important concern to anyone who has ever thought about making a wager on an offshore crypto-currency casino and sportsbook, let alone actually made a wager.  I have crossed some terms of service violations, with no malicious intent- this was my mistake.  However I believe that the case is so strongly in my favor to pay the account balance, that I am committed to seeing this through and bringing the important points to the attention of the community especially until we can amicably co-operate and resolve the dispute privately, something that I have been waiting on since the start.  To me the case will never be closed until the account balances are returned and I will continue to stay within rules while bringing it to the attention of the community and reminding of past cases with Cloudbet being amicably resolved with TOS violators having their deposits returned to them as I wish mine to be returned to me.  It was my error, I take full responsibility.  I am waiting on Cloudbet to address the new facts of the case and review their previous cases to see how in favor they are to awarding the account balances of players- especially when point 4 has clearly stated the player is a winning player with the site when actuall I am quite a big donator to your organization.  Thank you to Cloudbet for any mis-understanding and further clarifications on the case, I am awaiting an amicable resolution to the matter and will continue persisting until we see this through.  You have my full co-operation.  
  
  
  
  

That user will only be banned if someone reports his posts and the rule he broke. I told him to stop make bumps more than one time each day but I did not report him to forum moderator. If he did not know rules, good I gave him rules to read and obey.

I wish he did read rules and don't break it. If he want to be fine, simply won't break rules again.

How is this guy not banned already for such a smear campaign? All of his demonstrations that go back pages now, trying to prove points that are absolutely unfair. No one can sort through all of his lies. Every post he makes he contradicts himself and openly baits, by posting in caps and bold what he thinks would make his case sound better. At first it was just blatant insane lies like I owned Cloudbet, that they defrauded him, he wanted to get paid NOW and demanded it.... now it's that he's willing to be open and honest, willing to cooperate; whatever his new catch phrase and demand is. None of these things have anything to do with anything.

I know this guy at this point isn't doing himself any favors and no one is going to take him seriously, but this kind of behaviour is abhorrent. No?

I am further awaiting any updates on the case from team Cloudbet.  I will keep the thread updated, however I have not received any response from Curacao gaming or Cloudbet in weeks, especially after presenting the updated facts and coming forth under my own accord to the community with provable facts with evidence, as some is listed above and will update as more info comes out.  No problem, I understand these things take time and the delay is my fault due to presenting mis-leading facts and falsities, and blaming others for my own faults.


Total account balance on the day was around $25,000 in bitcoin cash sent in the 24 hour period, and a $15,000 (67 BCH) cashout minus the $3,000 (.26 bitcoin) mis-grade which shouldn't be as hard as it has been to figure out.  


Will keep the community updated and appreciate your continued support.


I have emailed cloudbet and curacao gaming the following statements:
Haven't gotten an email back except canned response, but I am sending this statement from a previous case (the 330btc case I believe) about being honest, co-operating, and doing whatever they need me to do in order to co-operate.

Whatever I can do to co-operate from this point forward please let me know.  I apologize for any blaming and overreactions and overreaching previously.  I want to do what it takes to resolve this and co-operate fully with Curacao and Cloudbet.  Thank you.


I also included this with all of the notations from the important points about cooperation and precedent of past cases with account balances (they returned the winning balance and deposit of the past cases with co-operation)


Other than that I am awaiting any word from Cloudbet on the updated facts and appreciate that these things take time to sort through, though I am confident we can come to a resolution with proper communication and have my confidence in Cloudbet especially given the past resolutions to cases after some back and forth with getting the facts right and co-operation.  

Cloudbet:I am willing to cooperate fully in order to get this resolved and be 100% honest and forthright as I haven't been provably honest previously- and will do what it takes to co-operate and provide an accurate story.  I appreciate your understanding and accepting any apologies for mis-behavior in the process of trying to get this resolved.  I am willing to co-operate in whatever way you see fit in alignment with Curacao gaming as well.  Thank you.[/b][/font][/size]

Also note:  any delay is not the fault of Cloudbet's, but my own for providing misleading facts about the case.  I understand these things take time and when I wasn't co-operating by providing mis-leading facts this can severely delay any expediated resolution to a case such as this.  Thank you for taking the time to review the updated facts of the case.

Appreciate all the support from the community- you guys have been extra special in helping with this.  Regardless of my location, the previous cases ruled on by Cloudbet could play precedent in updating the case with the facts and evidence provided.

You have no support. You have lied. You wasted all of our time. You smeared Cloudbet. You smeared me. You pissed in the face of everyone who was legitimately trying to help you, and only took support from people who were supporting your scam.

Now you have the audacity to play this weird role where you act like you have the communities support and that we've been extra special.

Go away fraud.

Update:  I have emailed Cloudbet from my old email with my documents and also from the new email with the updated case information.  Continuing to await them to look at the updated facts and hoping that the precedent for previous cases is in my favor which does seem to be the case; especially considering point #4 being that my total losses and wins add up to me being in profit.  This would mean that the account balance would be 67 BCH (a withdrawal for 33 BCH and one for 34 BCH) minus the .26 bitcoin mis-grade (this really shouldn't be THIS hard to figure out) would be the account balance.  

I would really appreciate the update as I have spent countless hours uploading evidence to support the facts since the trust level is low at this point which is understandable.  Appreciate any updates from Cloudbet on the case as I have been trying for weeks to get in contact about the denied cashouts and evaporated deposits for the around $15,000 in BCH (67 BCH) minus .26 bitcoin mis-grade ($3,000).

Appreciate all the support from the community- you guys have been extra special in helping with this.  Regardless of my location, the previous cases ruled on by Cloudbet could play precedent in updating the case with the facts and evidence provided.

I am also curious why others aren't asking for proof of liquidity since this hasn't been done for almost two years.  Are there liquidity problems?  I'm curious why others aren't asking about this as well.

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On the right side, click on each state to get the odds you want. Each state has different odds for Democratic and Republican.

@Ronnie. Where are the odds for US election winner? I cannot find them. I can only see the odds for the election results per state and results for electoral college per area.

Odds adjustment hehe?

Sorry to say, but you're clearly in the wrong here.
You knowingly and willingly broke the ToS and lied about it to garner sympathy and attack Cloudbet's reputation in a pathetic attempt of extorting money that you do not deserve.

You clearly have a gambling problem and are now trying to cover your losses. Get help and stop playing if you can't stay within house rules, especially if you can't play without getting emotionally attached.

I got your point and it's a good idea but if Cloudbet or any of his representative will not give answer the guy could just go on posting and if the decision is not in favour of the complainant he will just continue posting anything here to the point that it will become redundant, I hope Cloudbet will come out a fair decision

is it normal that cloudbet limit accounts to ~3 USDT bet size maximum, after few winnings?
make these experience after first winning bets....

look, i know the situation is not EXACTLY the same. however, it is similar. and there are points about that case that actually HELP me. the other guy was a lifetime winner, he deposited 150btc i believe and was up 180btc. im a lifetime LOSER. so my case is actually stronger than the other guy on that point. my case is weaker on the point that i already had an account, i fully admit that and have come clear 100% with all the information accurate now. sure, i broke that TOS in addition. however, overall my case is much stronger than the 330btc guy and i cant understand why he got paid and i didnt. does cloudbet have liquidity problems? have they signed a wallet with a large balance in a while? i truly cannot understand and the community should be starting to ask these questions as well


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Still no word from Cloudbet.  I've ceased flaming and apologized for presenting mis-leading and false facts about the case.  Now with the updated facts awaiting further review of the case from team Cloudbet and really hoping we can come to a resolution.  I still believe precedent from past cases should play a role given the new facts presented above in the case.  Awaiting word from Cloudbet, thank you for those supporting this case to this point.



Note:  i want to clarify that I've never once been banned from cloudbet.  They asked for documents on the first account, I didn't send them because I don't like sending documents.  2 years later I made another account and here we are.

Locking the thread is not the best solution, that would not give a good image for cloudbet, instead the best way to keep this thread clean is to report to the moderators the unnecessary posts, they'll evaluate it and delete if proven.

So you broken their one account per person rule as well?

I think 330BTC case also same as yours but I guess after that they made changes in their ToS so you can't expect the same thing to happen again.I can understand your feeling but you can't do anything more, just accept that it is your mistake.

This website is a SCAM.

They told me "Andy" was no longer working on Cloudbet VIP but as I can see he still is, they closed my account as well a while ago and I haven't even bothered it was 500.00$.. They lost so much business from me.

ok, i didnt realize about the rules and the situation is so unique that it obv merited some additional posting, but i will chill now that ive provided the correct information, and wait to hear another statement from cloudbet

"This has been the case with several vocal users in the forum. Sometimes this can take some time, as every case is slightly different, but is always resolved eventually provided the player furnishes us with accurate information." -Cloudbet Team on 330BTC situation which is the exact same scenario as mine

I'd found this problem will be easy to solve if both parties will lower their tone, stop posting on this thread, and go directly to their support. I know that Cloudbet will resolve this one for sure, they might just be gathering more info for all transactions and to find out who's actually getting wrong.

To you also @efxes, I feel you, man. Just give them time also for the team to respond, they are working on this for sure. And as I said, they are looking into the information that proves about your issue is right (or maybe wrong). Just calm down and then talk to them nicely.

Cloudbet thread is all messed up I'm surprised that he's not locking his thread things are out of control here

@efxes you should clean up your messed we've got your message your posts are redundant better delete some of it or the moderators will do it and you might get ban for breaking the rules

I agree that if @efxes wants to add he should edit and add all the additional information, it just show you are not respecting this forum.