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https://www.sportsbookreview.com/forum/sportsbooks-industry/3600843-need-help-betcoin-ag-industry-feedback-appreciated.html#post29429714
This is a post RedApples made bashing Betcoin for their policies.  So what changed with Cloudbet?  Looks like a competitor to me.


You're not very slick are you, Cloudbet.  Go start another scambook this one is ruined.

oh hai there again cloudbet.  looks like we found our owner.  i'm also interested in your IP's good sir.  mind sharing?

This guy came to a site I frequent called Sportsbook review. I've posted on there for a couple years or so now. I have never made a single post about Cloudbet. I didn't even have any idea of what Cloudbet was before this case. I genuinely offer my time when I see people get scammed, and see if I can help them out. I tried to in this case also. When I saw it was going the other way, I vocalized the point, and then got met with aggression by efxes (DoubleRedDragon), undermining everything I was saying and writing it off stating that I must work for Cloudbet. It was such an egregious reach. Here I was sharing my personal stories and details, trying to help him get paid, and I have this guy who was so clearly at this point out to scam a book by being unfair to anyone in his path, that I became someone who felt that it was necessary to stand up against the fraud taking place. The fraud here is by efexes. I don't know what Cloudbet has done, I haven't read the various stories. But I tend to call a spade a spade and stand up for doing the right thing where its necessary. Is it the right thing to be standing up for a site that might have wronged other players? Not sure, if the situation where they were was put infront of me and the chance to denigrate them I might. I certainly wouldn't stand up for them. This isn't me defending Cloudbet, its me showing that someone is lying in their case against them and trying to defraud them, and wasting the communities time by feeding us lies and bs.

What you are missing, is you are connecting the wrong straws. Thinking that simply because someone doesn't have a personal gain in a scenario that they can't stand up for doing what is right. You can read the thread, that I've linked a few times now, and at that point you won't have missed anything and it will make a lot more sense. You can also read my post history there, and it will make even more sense.

RedApples, why are you defending Cloudbet? They have scammed so many people and in this case they are also wrong. I can only imagine that somebody will make posts like you, if you have a interest in this situation.
And then I come to the conclusion that somehow you are connected to Cloudbet. Or do I miss something?

RedApples = Cloudbet

hi cloudbet

For starters, you didn't send out any documents to the world. Not once. Cloudbet is respecting your privacy. You said you were willing to interact with users here to verify what you were saying previously, yet you did not do it. https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/--5277995

Allow them to prove that you were VPN'ing from the States. Thats all you have to do. That wont' be any sort of privacy breach. So what if they show IP addresses from the States that confirm where you were on the dates in question. Per your statements you were in Mexico using a VPN that would 'accidentally' switch over to USA. You asked us if were familiar with that sort of situation.

You are so sharp, that you lied about all of these different things along the way. I just proved one a page back where you said that Cloudbet was using 'playing the card' against you, by saying you had multiple accounts, where you said you never said that, but that you might have had an account in the past... yet your first attempt to get the money back from them you said very clearly that you lost a lot of money to them over the years but didn't have your old logins. You're also so sharp, that you kept asking 'what can I do guys?", then acting like you were so fragile and you couldn't take it, and you didn't know how to get information to prove your whereabouts. Now, you're so sharp that you literally know every angle in that book. Sadly, still haven't came up with a single story that makes ANY sense. It is either a lie, a contradiction of something you've already said, or information that can be completely thrown out as irrelevant.

Please anyone who doesn't know what I'm talking about at this point please read this thread beginning to end.

https://www.sportsbookreview.com/forum/sportsbooks-industry/3622234-cloudbet-confiscated-15-000-due-providing-verification-documents-usa-citizen.html

No idea how this guy can still continually be allowed to make up these stories and attacks against Cloudbet. He tried the soft and fragile approach now and it's all fallen apart and its all out attack mode, since everything he said turned out to be a lie.  

Whether I was caught or not, shouldn't matter.  I have told you and provided evidence that I have been in Mexico.  I don't want to keep sending documents out to the world.  I would hope Cloudbet would respect my privacy.  I have already given my name out to so many people.  I have been in the community for a long time in bitcoin and I could tell people who I am, but I don't feel it would benefit me in any way because I have a life outside of gambling even though I'm so sharp that books want to limit and steal from me at this point.

What matters is that I am paid back the deposits.  the 67 BCH account balance is less than the deposits.  It's two cashouts of 34 BCH and 33 BCH.  You guys have cashed me out 360 BCH and i've deposited 360 BCH in that ball park.  So what changes now that you can just steal my last deposits and freeroll me, waiting until I don't lose and request a cashout?


The argument is not whether I was in the USA or not.  The argument is why is Cloudbet ruining their reputation by not returning the last deposits of an accused USA bettor?

Then theres no problem then! Wait to hear back from them about said proof. Or share it with the mods or an independent panel in the meantime to see if it actually suffices. But as far as this new revelation goes, why now would you amp up your smear campaign over the past week. You're just making up a story that makes you seem innocent, which you've done now in a different manner for the umpteenth time, while demanding you get paid with threats.

If you have proof, you have nothing to worry about. Stop all of the attacks. You will get paid back in a legitimate fashioin. I'm not sure what Bitcointalk will tolerate as far as abuse goes, but I saw posters here (I think maybe mods) willing to help moderate the issue with verifying the proof that you were in Mexico. You said you were willing to do this, and then never did. Shocker.

You can't just say you sent documents that you felt are necessary enough, and that your friend who is aggressively smearing Cloudbet on your behalf knows about it. You got caught VPN'ing from the States. This much is clear as it gets. Crystal clear.

& lol at it being a long drawn out process for them to prove that you were in the USA, so you 'don't want to partake in that'. Just allow them to release the information. What you think they gotta solve some impossible equation? If they don't provide proof quickly I'm pretty sure everyone will side with you. You just say the most absurd stuff.

Hey look, I found another social media account from Cloudbet soliciting deposits from rest of world customers outside of USA and UK.

OH WAIT,

https://www.instagram.com/cloudbet.us/?hl=en

cloudbet.us... wait, waht?  cloudbet DOT us?  like USA?  Still phishing for USA players to freeroll and not even return deposits?  Just accept USA deposits and pay out until they win too much and then confiscate the deposits?  



Return the money. Now.  You have played your hand very badly.

By the way Red Apples and cloudbet, I"m eating you alive in this case.  Absolutely crushing you.

You have employees who rely on you for their FAMILIES.  You're making a mockery out of your entire company.  It's tragic.

this guy obviously is, as expected, a site owner coming in to defend anonymously and smear who they steal from.

Return the deposits.  It's the only right thing to do.

Just continually dodging and being dramatic.

You have login details that prove you were in the USA. Cloudbet says they can prove that you were in the USA when playing on Cloudbet. What good does a 'handwritten letter' do? What good does a 'receipt for a week recently in Mexico' do?

Anyone can go back the previous weeks and see what you've written on the topic. You said you go down to Mexico to play and rent AirBnBs. Then it turned into your landlord. Then you didn't know what or how to prove that you were in Mexico. You actually said all of these dumb things, just as you're saying dumb things now. All you need to do is prove that you were in Mexico during the times that Cloudbet says you weren't! It's so easy to hash this out. YOU NEED TO PROVE THAT.

Otherwise, you weren't. And you have no case! Which is the angle you've been fighting for the past week before I made it into this thread to curb some of your blatant lies and attempts to strong arm Cloudbet into paying you.

I'm happy at least some of the people in here will now see what is going on, and more of them will hopefully go to Sportsbookreview to see the entire context. You and this other guy making up the most insane scenarios. I own Cloudbet... the website guy saying that the website is being hacked, hacked by Cloudbet.

You've literally shot from every angle possible and been as little forthright as someone could possibly be.

I'm also going to sit back a little bit and see how this plays out. I wish all players would get paid no matter what, but I wish even more that people doing what you are doing don't get away with it. This is criminal.

I sent in as per Mexico:
Financial Statements with my Mexico address, received via mail
Handwritten letter from my landlord with the rented address
Payment statements to my landlord in Mexico along with that note
A receipt for a week I recently paid in an AirBnB like situation in Mexico.


I shouldn't have to provide more than that.  If so, please tell me what else.  I shouldn't have to deal with all this, I've sent in enough documents to impersonate me a gazillion times over.  You're fraudsters, you're scammers, you're the lowest of the low, Cloudbet.  I have no problem giving cloudbetscamsDOTCOM any information he needs on MY scam accusation against you.  I just am starting to get concerned that you're in a bit too deep on this one.

It's obvious that you work for the site.  so with that, i'm done arguing.  I'm just going to come after Cloudbet for the money.  Until then, good luck trying to tell me off.  Seriously good luck.  You need it with how sharp I am at betting against you guys!!

Pay me the deposits I made, and I'll try and talk cloudbetscamsDOTCOM out of trying to prevent people from depositing to your site.

That's great. Hopefully you will actually fight legitimate cases and get them paid. To this point, all of your posts have been vocal about efxes. Anyone can go look at your post history and see you spamming his case only, describing it the same way he is, making up the same lies that he was, and you getting tangled up in them too:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/--5279500

1. if he submitted appropriate proof of being in Mexico during the dates, which is so easy to do, then guess what,
#2 doesn't matter.

People have offered this up to him for WEEKS. You stating he's done it is as silly as him saying he was down there renting AirBnBs (1st statement for renting) but avoided all talk of providing those details when pressed for it; said it didn't matter. Now you know he's submitted 'appropriate proof'. (lol)

Reading your post history says everything you need to know about your actual goal here, and its furthering a smear against CloudBet. Sad that this is actually allowed to go on.

If you were legitimate then you wouldn't have to be as blatant and over the top as you are. Make the site, outline details, and spread the details. You are just as demanding as efxes (likely are the same person), simply trying to extort them. You've threatened them from every angle now, as did the YouTube account. As did efxes and the YouTube account did citing the Medium accounts.

Anyone who has not see the thread on SportsBookReview, please click the link in my post 2 posts previous to this. Read it front to end. There are people who need to be stopped here, and its efxes and this smear campaign. I'm all for a site outlining and exposing fraud. I'm definitely not for threatening sites with slander and aggression, especially when its not even rightfully owed in the first place.

Great, so another one of your other accounts that made this website to extort Cloudbet. This is so uncool. If anyone wants a clear picture of what he is doing, click the link in my previous post. Read the thread start to finish. It is very sad... I and others were trying to help him get paid. But he turned out to be a flagrant liar and has built an entire smear campaign. It's all in the thread. Mods, please review that thread start to finish, and decide what you will. It's only 4 pages, and makes for a rather quick read. 

Buddy the gig is up.  I'm just waiting to get paid.

CloudbetscamsDOTCOM just told me site is going back up today.  He also said this isn't going to stop even if Efxes gets paid.  Cloudbet's history of scamming will be there for the world to see on the first page of google.  It's over for you guys.

Let me know when you want my wallet address to refund my deposits.

Ummm, the argument is whether or not you were in the USA or Mexico. That's the only thing that matters. These sites have been under the same rules for the past decade. As I posted on the other site, anyone can read my past history with Pokerstars.
https://www.sportsbookreview.com/forum/sportsbooks-industry/3622234-cloudbet-confiscated-15-000-due-providing-verification-documents-usa-citizen.html#post29736687

You continually lie and make up stories. I've quoted you many times already to point out the lies you've constructed to attack Cloudbet. Anyone can see it by reading the thread I just posted here.

You've been given countless opportunities to prove the most basic of details. You're the one who brought up AirBnB stays. Then landlord stuff. Then your landlord writes in Spanish. You came asking for help, acting like you didn't know how to get the most basic of details. Now since it all proved to be something you were unwilling to do, because you can't, now it doesn't matter, and I own Cloudbet, everyone against you is a shill, and the only thing that matters is you getting paid, at all costs. The cost here is you making up story after story and painting an unfair picture. You're up on them lifetime, and they continued to pay you out. Why would they ever have done that in the first place if they were simply just waiting for you to deposit to steal from you? There had to be a point in time in which you were figured out, and that triggered the review. Who knows when they detected you? Allow them to share the information they have to make it public so we can actually see. You want no fairness. You just want to lie at every turn to try to extort money from Cloudbet.

For what its worth, I'm willing to prove that I have no affiliation with Cloudbet, which seems to be the most laughable scenario possible. If there is a body that oversees this site I'd be more than willing to share with them sensitive information that proves who I am, and that I certainly have nothing to gain. As if that matters anyways. I've only stated clear indisputable facts, based on showing your words and your actions, and the past actions of other actors in similar scenarios. I'm making no assumptions, save for the fact that your story wasn't adding up from the start and that raised suspicion which turned out to be fact. You calling me out for 'owning Cloudbet', just goes to show how silly your reaches are and how little anything you have said even means, and shows your lack of concern for other parties actually are.

You decided to attempt to extort from Cloudbet, and I was just a guy on a website that saw it and am pointing it out. If you can directly refute my statements, go ahead and do so. It's pretty hard to refute your own statements and actions so maybe this is your only course of action. As stated weeks ago now, you should probably just give up.

Cloudbet last login since forever, coincidence that it lines up with RedApples creating an account shortly after?  I think not.  It gets deeper just return the money cloudbet.  My time is more valuable than this.