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Confession:
OK guys, this is me coming clean.  I'm an honest person and this whole case and the money lost has been eating me up inside.  I haven't been honest about multiple things so it's time to come clean.  I don't agree with freerolling a winning account's last deposits, and as a human being I can justify so many things and rationalize so many things in my head.  But I can't stay in a lie, I am a free spirited musician and enjoy just living a peaceful life.  So I have to confess multiple things to you guys, and I wish I did this from the start- I was desperate to get my money back and didn't know if I could get it back any other way.  Money doesn't come easy to me.


1.  i have never been to Mexico in my life.  I have been playing out of San Francisco area the whole time through VPN.
2.  I'm a well-known poker player in the bitcoin community that goes by tennisCHAMP or tennis known as an all out degen.  Used to be dice, but for the longest time it's been sports.  I quit casino gambling a long time ago and I figured out how to pretty consistently win at tennis betting at the higher levels like ATP and WTA and Grand Slam.  I've won SWC Poker BigBTC and streaming challenges for thousands in bitcoin , and I've been into bitcoin more than anything ever since I arrived there.  I used to vlog a bit and I was driving full time Uber for years here in SF.  $15,000 is a fortune to me and it scares me how much I was willing to lie about in order to get paid (even if I feel it's rightly mine, lying just isn't me and I couldn't really keep going with this without unravelling).

3.  I had an account a couple years ago on Cloudbet and they banned me for being a USA IP with no money in the account one day they just said we don't accept you, so I started VPN'ing in after a couple years off the site.  I had lost so many bitcoins it was unbelievable. 

4.  I sent in real documents from USA, thinking they'd just give me my money back and ban me from the site.  That was not the case, so I started panicking and sent them in the fake note and stuff about Mexico.  This really crossed my threshold for how far I was willing to go and I lost it after I sent in the utility bill with the changed address- I don't like dealing with fake documents and doing this stuff. 


5.  The reality is that as I mentioned, I have been a tennis teacher and an Uber driver and a starving musician for years.  A year and a half ago my Nissan Leaf got hit and I got an insurance check for $8,000 which I ran up to $150,000 in bitcoin on Nitrogen Sports within a few days betting tennis.  I bet like $5,000 on Fabio Fognini to beat Nadal in the semi's of Monte Carlo and he hit straight sets and moneyline and I won like $75,000.. Nitrogen Sports has since severely limited my 2001 account (one of the first to register to Nitrogen Sports through Bitcointalk).  I won and lost all that money within only 3 days, never even really cashing out to USD and a week later that money would have been worth $450,000.  I've not had a day go by where I don't think about the money I missed out on every hour, especially being so job skill-less and only really having played poker and bet sports as a means of possibly some day making good money (though I do make websites and am getting better at that).  When I just ran up $1,300 into $40,000 in a week at Cloudbet, constantly withdrawing in order to secure all the funds and re-depositing, I thought I'd never look back again.  I was doing quite well managing but when I had the $15,000 stolen from Cloudbet, I went on tilt and lost the remaining $15,000 and am now back to square one as always have been my entire 34 years of existence.

6.  I am cloudbetscamsDOTCOM on bitcointalk and the person who put up cloudbetscams.com after being advised by people who dealt with the 330btc scam case from Cloudbet and other people in the poker community who said my only real recourse is to go out Cloudbet from all angles in order to hope to get their attention and get paid.  The more shady stuff I uncovered, the more enraged I got and I really want people to know not to deposit to this site because of these things.  I don't know what's going to happen with the site but I need to come completely clean.





Now:
Cloudbet, I will give you permission to post everything you want about me.  I am well known as 'tennis' from SWC Poker and in the bitcoin community.  Some people will recognize me if they are OG poker players.  So I'm not really fearing anything.  I feel awful about lying, not to you guys but to myself (and also to you guys).  So I'm coming clean mostly because I live such a clean life free of doing bad stuff, I have so many interests and hobbies, degenerate sports betting is jsut one of them.  Though I'm becoming massively sharp at betting tennis I will admit- every other sport I lose loads at.  And I don't really even beat poker any more, though I do have an occasional God run on stream with people cheering me on at SWC poker.

Cloudbet:  feel free to post the information you need to the public about my USA IP's, as I admit I have never even been to Mexico in my life.  I was born in Brazil and it's always been a dream to get back there, but I haven't done much traveling except for jazz band tours and stuff all over Europe having played with BB King and stuff in Switzerland in a fluke but was so fun, I'm a professional saxophonist and beat maker. 

You can post the transaction histories to clear that up, Idunno about posting my home IP but you can feel free to post the general locations all that to show that i was in the USA.



Beyond that, I still feel that I should be paid.  I hope I am not upsetting people and I should have been forthright from the start.  Money can truly bring out the worst in people, and it did in me.  I wanted to say anything just to get paid because I thought I was justified.  I felt like the angles and laws surrounding them preying on me for the TOS was not fair.  Waiting for me to deposit a large sum, I was obviously trying to leave a dent in their book- so they played the we can actually legally steal this money back. 

But this is about the confession and the go ahead to release all the information.  Like I said, I used to vlog as 'tennis' in the bitcoin community documenting my uber driving and saxophone playing and music making.  Only a few people saw those but in general i'm not scared of a little fame or notoriety.  I still feel I'm owed the deposits on the account and I hope that the community will agree with me on that.  It's not fair to freeroll USA players so in my mind I justified lying to everyone, even if not so well on purpose, about being in "mexico" and stuff. 


I'm here to answer any questions all week now that I'm being honest.  The monkey is off my back. 

I apologize to everyone.  To SBR, to Twoplustwo, to Bitcointalk.  It was not right for me to say wahtever i needed to say in order to try and get the money back.  I still feel that I should be owed every penny.  It's not fair.



I'm here to answer any and all questions you have and giving Cloudbet the go ahead to release whatever they need to the public about why I shouldn't be due my deposits back.  I still feel that I am owed them.

I agree with this there is a rule regarding on that and your efxes issue will be wasted if he will be banned for spamming so better he minimize the activity so that he can update the users here day by day about his issue. It's so sad to see this still happening and seems cloudbet is ready to ruin their reputation since they still not giving back his deposit up till now.

@efxex you are breaking forums rules regularly by posting/spamming continuously on same thread without getting reply of others, you are really lucky, you did not got banned for this. So better avoid this. I can understand your frustration but rules for everyone.

Hey all, this is really affecting my life.  I miss playing music, making websites, doing things I love doing.  I miss having a bankroll- unfortunately I sent that bankroll to Cloudbet and they chose option C: to keep my entire bankroll and confiscate it.

I need a serious break from this, I'm hoping when I come back it will all be resolved.  No, I don't want cloudbet sharing my information publicly.  No i don't want to keep going over details.  

I will be back in one week from today.  I'm hoping this gets resolved by then and cloudbet will send me back 67 BCH and -.26 BTC.  I might reveal who i am in the poker/crypto community by then anyways.  Some private friends know but they're not following the case too closely at this point I think.

This is not winnings.  This was my bankroll, my liferoll, my savings.  I need you guys to please defend me when people try and smear me and make me look small.  I don't know why they do it, but they do.  They might be affiliated with site or might just like seeing winning gamblers lose out somehow.  I dont know, but I"ve worked hard and for decades to be a winning gambler in some sports.  

The money is a lot of money, and I sent it off in good faith.  I need it back.  I will let things settle and I hope that Cloudbet does the right thing.


I also want to take the time to thank everyone in the community for pulling for me and doing the right thing in making sure Cloudbet isn't getting as many deposits while this is going on.  I don't want to see other people in the same situation as me.  It is not right, and Cloudbet should be ashamed of themselves.

Be well... I am rejuvenating my mind body and spirit and will be back in full force soon.  Maybe I will reveal my poker identity then and some people will recognize me from way back.

note: also scratch the thing i said about letting SBRforum mediate ANYTHING.  I think they only care about the sportsbooks over there.  That's where they make their money.  I don't think I want that either.  let's see what happens if I just let Cloudbet decide if they want to do the right thing for the good of the community and the trust of the players.  Please don't stop pressing them either.  I appreciate you all a lot and have for many years.

I agree with this, Cloudbet reputation is what the victim is holding to. There are also many scam accusations about Cloudbet rolling over the internet and in this forum. But who knows, Cloudbet has resolved an issue like this before but the refund may take up months before Cloudbet gives it back to the victim.

Here's the solved issue about cloudbet before (https://archive.is/IE1uy)

I need the deposits back.  I'm destitute, broke.  Cloudbet broke me.  I need the money because I don't have any.  I'm broke.  I need it back, it's unfair what they are doing, they stole from not just me but from the community.  

I'm not the one with the website, I just have given my info and story to him, he's been helping me.  I think he'll continue on after this to make sure more people are paid and also stopping people from being scammed by this site that will never ever change their ways.

Cloudbet: I am advising you to get in touch with SBRforums immediately in order to have my rep Brad work with you in order to get me paid. Let's get this done. SBR are my boys they know what to do, they side with books but also with players let's please do what we can to get this done. You have insulted Sportsbookreview by not responding to the requests to talk to senior management.

I appreciate your efforts but do you think it will be worth in the end ? Even if you post the full history of cloudbet scam all over the internet, they may still not return your money. You can only post this all over the internet, discourage people from using the site or blackmail them but sadly you cannot sue them in the court and cannot force them to pay you.

Remember how obsessed Cloudbet is with betting odds for USA politics and how obsessed they are in general with USA politics?  You won't find a shortage of Red Apples political posts either!  Dude is obviously jealous AF of USA citizens and likely scared AF about the feds.  Expert in all of it.

https://www.sportsbookreview.com/forum/politics-economics/3131459-donald-trumps-us-president-odds-improving-p2101.html#post29303352

He's also an expert in running a sportsbook, talking about automatic grading, clicking a button to grade bets, and you won't even believe this:

turning scams into profitable marketing opportunities

He also seems to be an expert on sportsbook laws and federal crimes in the USA and world gambling law.



Quite the expert in gambling law eh my man?  just pay the money, make this all stop.  please.  that's all i ask.


https://www.sportsbookreview.com/forum/players-talk/3622916-there-any-legitimate-honest-trustworthy-offshore-sportsbooks-out-there-now.html#post29742496

pay me what i deposited.  just pay it.  Mr. owner of Cloudbet

Red Apples = Owner of Cloudbet

omgerd hai again cloudbet so good to see you.  btw where's my deposits you stole?  please, asking nicely.  send the money back. 

If anyone wanted to check my post history, they could see the only sites I ever talk about personally having used in the past few years are BetOnline, 5Dimes. Thats it. Strongly condemning 5Dimes and strongly supporting BetOnline. Never once referenced Cloudbet. Seems weird for an owner. I'm sure you saw that, or you'd have quoted it by now.

So I can't advocate for players to get paid by books where the rules are predatory and simply out to scam? Because you are scamming a site with rules that are clearly outlined, not predatory, and governed by agreements that sites have made with regulatory bodies going back a decade?

If you could read, as I've stated a thousand times over, and was very clear in the other thread and this one as well, in this case I would hope that a player would get paid even while playing on a VPN in the States. The issue was always whether or not you have a CASE against getting paid. I tried to help you with your case per the details you gave me. You asked for help and I spent the time to offer it to you. You were proven not to have a case after you lied continuously. All I'm doing now is pointing out how much you're lying, how abusive you're being towards the site, and me, and anyone who argues against you.

You agreed with the rules and understood them from day one. That is why you were making up the lies about the accounts you've had, the money you've lost, the locations you were in. Now, you are coming from literally all angles lying non stop.

This isn't a joke.  This is my deposit address, I want the money I deposited to your site back in this address NOW.  
bitcoincash:qzv3tckrxlqu7fx5pywl34xvrvwe4ps0zy754zgsua

You are playing with my time, and everyone else's.  The community does not need to see this immaturity from a big company like yours.

From above post to quote YOU talking about Betcoin, your competitor:



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"...all money in the account will evaporate, is that simply 'within their rules' and not stealing?  Surely it would still be stealing.  It's too gross and abusive and predatory" -red apples
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So you know what you do to people scamming the USA bitcoin community and you continue to do it because you get off on it.  Hmm, really awesome.  You must have so much deep love for yourself.  Such a stand-up operator.  cloudbetscamsDOTCOM is totally in the right for wanting expose you to protect the community we all enjoy and respect.

https://www.sportsbookreview.com/forum/sportsbooks-industry/3600843-need-help-betcoin-ag-industry-feedback-appreciated.html#post29429714
This is a post RedApples made bashing Betcoin for their policies.  So what changed with Cloudbet?  Looks like a competitor to me.


You're not very slick are you, Cloudbet.  Go start another scambook this one is ruined.

oh hai there again cloudbet.  looks like we found our owner.  i'm also interested in your IP's good sir.  mind sharing?

This guy came to a site I frequent called Sportsbook review. I've posted on there for a couple years or so now. I have never made a single post about Cloudbet. I didn't even have any idea of what Cloudbet was before this case. I genuinely offer my time when I see people get scammed, and see if I can help them out. I tried to in this case also. When I saw it was going the other way, I vocalized the point, and then got met with aggression by efxes (DoubleRedDragon), undermining everything I was saying and writing it off stating that I must work for Cloudbet. It was such an egregious reach. Here I was sharing my personal stories and details, trying to help him get paid, and I have this guy who was so clearly at this point out to scam a book by being unfair to anyone in his path, that I became someone who felt that it was necessary to stand up against the fraud taking place. The fraud here is by efexes. I don't know what Cloudbet has done, I haven't read the various stories. But I tend to call a spade a spade and stand up for doing the right thing where its necessary. Is it the right thing to be standing up for a site that might have wronged other players? Not sure, if the situation where they were was put infront of me and the chance to denigrate them I might. I certainly wouldn't stand up for them. This isn't me defending Cloudbet, its me showing that someone is lying in their case against them and trying to defraud them, and wasting the communities time by feeding us lies and bs.

What you are missing, is you are connecting the wrong straws. Thinking that simply because someone doesn't have a personal gain in a scenario that they can't stand up for doing what is right. You can read the thread, that I've linked a few times now, and at that point you won't have missed anything and it will make a lot more sense. You can also read my post history there, and it will make even more sense.

RedApples, why are you defending Cloudbet? They have scammed so many people and in this case they are also wrong. I can only imagine that somebody will make posts like you, if you have a interest in this situation.
And then I come to the conclusion that somehow you are connected to Cloudbet. Or do I miss something?

RedApples = Cloudbet