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Yea i agree with everything cloudbet said except one thing. they keep saying im a big winner lifetime. since ive had other accts im actually down lifetime i believe, not sure on exact results but ive def lost on other accts too, i understand this is against terms of service too but lets be reasonable, they could look the other way and give me something for this, and make it clear that if i try to play there again from usa they will be allowed to confiscate everything

I've mostly deposited and almost never withdrawn in the entire lifetime of having the [email protected] account. 

I'm down so much bitcoin and if they want to post the deposits and withdrawals of my old account they can do that to give more perspective that Im really not down that much.  Maybe they can just confiscate any deposits if I deposit in the future- in general at Cloudbet I was a long time loyal customer for 3 years now and have been making deposits and hardly withdrawing the entire time.  I won some back but not even close to what I'm down on the site.  I've given them a lot of BTC over the years and they want to paint me as a winner which I am not.   I lose loads at sports, more than I can afford.
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i need to add some things as well.

I played on the site using email [email protected] in the past.

There, I'm not sure of the tally but I might be down 30 BTC or more, possibly much more.  I played on there for a year or two or more back in 2018 and earlier.  

I'm not a winning sports bettor and on Cloudbet I'm down a lot.  So my total wins losses definitely is not up $30,000.  It's more like down $100,000 or more.  

Here's a few emails of me losing BTC deposits from very long ago.


Hi [email protected],

You have successfully deposited 0.10010162BTC. The funds have been credited to your Cloudbet account.

The transaction hash is: be0c14b6e9e219d281f2d6049e06007f4b4305553f30b0412f395740874751d5

The transaction was completed at 2019-01-12 20:18:37 UTC


Here's a BTC address that i used to deposit to
https://www.blockchain.com/btc/address/1PNeoc2cyBfYTzwUwporWwNKYwqnVhW5CD?page=2


But I think that I am down many many bitcoins on the site, I don't know why i don't see all the deposits , maybe I had an additional bitcoin address, and i will tally it all up now using my emails (cloudbet can help in this too I am hoping by looking at ledger for [email protected]) but you have to understand, I am no winning sports bettor.  My life has been near ruined by sports betting.  All my poker winnings and Uber driving generally has gone to sports betting.

Only recently have I become good at betting on tennis and nothing else, but even then I tilt and bet lower matches and it is not easy to win, and I am down six figures or more if you think about bitcoin rise lifetime.

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If I deposit it then they are allowed to take the deposits?  This is so unfair, but complaining won't do anything at this point.
It's your point of view. There's other side too. They are running business legally and they have to maintain a lot of things. They can be charged with money laundering as well and FYI, gambling sites are being used for money laundering as well AFAIK.
Well, they of course have no right to take your deposit; same as some people don't have right to play from restricted countries. If you haven't follow their terms and condition, they can freeze your account and require information they need to verify. By knowing this, you have gamble there.
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I'm very sorry about this, looking back I do think it's common for people in my situation to make up a story and stick to it.  When it comes to money I think people are willing to lie and make up stories when they feel justified- this is a big learning lesson for me to just stay honest no matter what.  I felt the money was more important than my integrity and I'm so sorry for mis-leading people.

I feel awful about it.  Tell me what I can do to make it up to you.

I want to add that it still doesn't make it right for them to take these deposits from me. If I deposit it then they are allowed to take the deposits?  This is so unfair, but complaining won't do anything at this point.  I don't think the lying should negate this fact... they still are guilty of stealing my last funds when I deposited them.

I'm usually such an honest person, this was so out of my character and I was not handling keeping up this story very well... the whole thing has made me very upset.
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I'm very sorry about this, looking back I do think it's common for people in my situation to make up a story and stick to it.  When it comes to money I think people are willing to lie and make up stories when they feel justified- this is a big learning lesson for me to just stay honest no matter what.  I felt the money was more important than my integrity and I'm so sorry for mis-leading people.

I feel awful about it.  Tell me what I can do to make it up to you.
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Announcing that with immediate effect, Cloudbet is no longer available on BTCGOSU: https://www.btcgosu.com/blog/news/cloudbet-removed-on-btcgosu-due-to-open-scam-accusation/

@Cloudbet Just like other reputable members (Hhampuz, Jollygood etc.) have already stated, I do not understand the way you are handling this case - I didn't expect that from you and if there is more to it, feel free to get in touch. Otherwise I will not only never promote you again but shortly also support the flag, add you to my Blacklist and help players by preventing them from signing up on your site.

I am taking back everything I said - still not happy about the way Cloudbet have been handling this but one thing's for sure - efxes, you don't deserve any better than this based on how you made up various things - consider writing a book or so but don't ask anyone for support again.
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Another confession: I have mistaken the last deposits, I thought the last 3 BCH and 11 BCH were from cloudbet they were not but you can see here my last 4 deposits and they add to 84 BCH.

On the last day within 2 hours I send three successive deposits of 60 BCH total (24, 20, 16)
https://blockchair.com/bitcoin-cash/address/qp468pkf0ujwcpr4ak70ceya4seyapzy4vxk7hewqv

This is the BCH wallet address.  I added on with each of those BCH deposits to the balance with the previous day's BCH balance I believe, though I know for sure the 60BCH wasn't because I lost, those were all basically one deposit.

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I hear it's because they've done this to many more people so if they just gave me my deposits back they'd have to give other people their's too?  It's not fair though.


I don't think they are going to do that there are so many people with complaints about not getting their money I don't think they can accommodate all of these people


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I sent X that day, I should get X back or whatever the cashout is if i lost or take the winnings back and give X back if I won and not the winnings just give it back you know?  And I will give my promise if I am caught playing there you can take it next time no problem but give me my life back, you know?

I don't think they will take your promise, for them you break their rules and that's it if it's only few hundreds they will give it back, but we are talking $15000 and this is huge money.

Hi. 

Usually it is standard to return the balance on the account or the the deposits made on the account since the account had a zero balance.  This is standard. 
I've never heard of someone accepting large deposits and taking them and not returning them (reputable books)
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I hear it's because they've done this to many more people so if they just gave me my deposits back they'd have to give other people their's too?  It's not fair though.


I don't think they are going to do that there are so many people with complaints about not getting their money I don't think they can accommodate all of these people


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I sent X that day, I should get X back or whatever the cashout is if i lost or take the winnings back and give X back if I won and not the winnings just give it back you know?  And I will give my promise if I am caught playing there you can take it next time no problem but give me my life back, you know?

I don't think they will take your promise, for them you break their rules and that's it if it's only few hundreds they will give it back, but we are talking $15000 and this is huge money.
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They should go for for an independent third party arbitration and respect the decision of the arbiter, this will prove once and for all on who is telling the truth and the legality of the claim, this is an interesting case, there could be a repeat of this scenario in the future.


Hi Robel, if you see thread post here https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.55353973
I just confessed yesterday to multiple lies i've made up to try and get paid.  I'm sorry for mis-leading you guys but please read it and then decide.
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I hear it's because they've done this to many more people so if they just gave me my deposits back they'd have to give other people their's too?  It's not fair though.  

I sent X that day, I should get X back or whatever the cashout is if i lost or take the winnings back and give X back if I won and not the winnings just give it back you know?  And I will give my promise if I am caught playing there you can take it next time no problem but give me my life back, you know?
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Because Cloudbet has volunteered to go to arbitration I have removed my neg trust and support of flag.

@efxes,

You claimed that you sent proof to cloudbet that you were not in the United States when you opened your account and placed any wagers.

They claim that you did not, and they are willing to use a third party to arbitrate.



They should go for for an independent third party arbitration and respect the decision of the arbiter, this will prove once and for all on who is telling the truth and the legality of the claim, this is an interesting case, there could be a repeat of this scenario in the future.

@efxes I have read your confession just now I know your frustration but I still recommend that an arbiter should decide this issue I have this feeling that the decision will not be in your favor I hope I'm wrong but if ever I hope you can live with this, there's more to life than this.
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Cloudbet thread is all messed this will ruin his already ruin business  Cheesy I will not surprised if he decides to lock this thread and start a new one but even if he starts a new one, it will not take off because of this messed now this is one gambling site that is going to be over Cloudbet is very stubborn not to give in.
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I think it's more likely that you are lying than them.  Because this involves evidence that can't be made public, if you're actually telling the truth, you should work out arbitration and send them whatever documents you sent cloudbet.


You cannot trust him completely specially after he made this confession by himself and thereby making his case look like a troll.  Sad
I am 100% sure he is exaggerating things here to get his money back.

I haven't been honest about multiple things so it's time to come clean. 
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Twitchy Seal I have been in the USA the whole time playing from VPN but I deposited that day ~70 BCH,, I went to withdraw 67 BCH and there's -.26 BTC balance.  Instead of taking that out of BCH balance they freeze account and tell me they're keeping my $20k in deposits.

Cloudbet can release everything I'm fine with it.  I apologize for lying about where I was, I have never been to Mexico in my life I made it up.  

Please see post https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.55353973



Secondly:  Cloudbet volunteered to go to arbitration with Askgamblers.  Askgamblers turned down the arbitration twice because it has to do with sports betting.

I also have emailed curacao gaming who got in touch with Cloudbet.  It's been maybe 2 weeks and no word back from Curacao gaming so no luck there have to move forward.

I appreciate you Twitchy but don't understand removing the negative trust.


How do you feel about depositing $20,000 to a site you trusted, only to not be able to get it back?  I broke the terms, it's ok to rob me?

BTW don't know if you play poker twitchy but i am 'tennis' from seals see link above i lied about everything i am so sorry
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Hi all -

Firstly, please accept our apologies for the delay in response and thank you to all - especially the senior members of the community - for your patience while we collated all of the relevant facts so that we could respond extremely accurately.

A comment on @efxes's case from Cloudbet.

1. Cloudbet does not accept players from USA. If USA players attempt to create an account, they see a clear message that their jurisdiction is prohibited.

2. If a player is found to be circumventing our automated checks and connects from a prohibited jurisdiction (such as USA), their account is immediately frozen pending an investigation. In this case, the player in question knowingly and deliberately circumvented our location checks, and was discovered and confirmed to be located in USA. They provided both ID and address proof from USA and also repeatedly attempted to login from USA IP addresses. 

That the player is located in the USA is without doubt, and we prohibit all players from USA. That they knowingly and deliberately circumvented our country checks is also without doubt.

3. In accordance with our T&Cs, in these situations we reserve the right to void all bets and return their account balance, up to the sum of their deposits. Furthermore, we reserve the right to confiscate funds in certain cases (such as repeat offenders). We did not confiscate any funds in this case, but instead voided all bets.

4. In this particular case, the customer has already withdrawn more than the sum of their deposits and accordingly we consider the matter closed. If the player offers their consent, we can gladly share transaction hashes of all relevant transactions.

5. Additionally, the player is sharing information and making claims in public web forums (such as this one) that they know to be untrue. For example, the player claims they have provided us with address proof outside of the USA which is untrue. The player has also made other untrue claims - such as the size of their deposits.

6. We continue to have a duty of privacy to the player, so cannot publish information we have that directly contradicts their claims without the player's explicit consent. We can, however, share this with our regulator, or an arbiter with the player's consent. Additionally, if the player would like to consent to us sharing this information with select senior members of the community, we would be happy to do so.

7. If the player wishes to continue their claim, we strongly encourage the player to take their case to either Curacao eGaming or AskGamblers.com, either of whom will act as an arbiter. We agree to be bound by any ruling they make in this case.

Fellow members - we know the player is creating a lot of noise about this case, and we treat every claim of this nature seriously, but in this situation, the player knowingly tried to circumvent our rules, was caught, has already withdrawn more than their deposit, and is providing false information in public. We ask for the community's support to dismiss these false claims by the player.

Thanks

Team Cloudbet

Because Cloudbet has volunteered to go to arbitration I have removed my neg trust and support of flag.

@efxes,

You claimed that you sent proof to cloudbet that you were not in the United States when you opened your account and placed any wagers.

They claim that you did not, and they are willing to use a third party to arbitrate.

I think it's more likely that you are lying than them.  Because this involves evidence that can't be made public, if you're actually telling the truth, you should work out arbitration and send them whatever documents you sent cloudbet.


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I led everyone astray and I do apologize I feel like really bad about that.

My head is blown from losing this $15,000.  Losing this $15,000 has meant the world to me.  The last remaining 67 BCH was supposed to have -.26 btc taken out of it, but they couldn't figure it out so they decided to rob me is how I feel.

Don't know how you would feel about it.  Tell me your feelings.

EDIT:  from now on you can call me tennis if you want
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