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If you're late to the party, they caught me VPN'ing from the USA.  They want to take my $15,000 in deposits, but they said that I'm in the profit lifetime on the account.

As you can see above, I'm not.  I'm down at least .9 bitcoin but I am adding it up now and I already found an extra .03 deposit so it's looking like I'm a losing customer on their site still after this second account I made after they closed my first account suddenly because they stopped accepting USA customers.  I didn't try to circumvent that back then but now I did.

They are saying they won't give me back the money I deposited that's on the account because I'm profiting off of them.  But I'm not, I was a loyal losing customer for many years before this.  It was my mistake to make another account but I loved the Cloudbet software and I was a loyal customer, I chose them over all other sportsbooks I enjoyed my experience there.

But what Steve says is I am profiting but I'm not.  I'm a losing customer I've donated plenty, my first account closed 18 months before I made this account was -2.7 bitcoins.  I have no history of multi-accounting, only being a loyal cloudbet customer missing my experience there.

@efxes. You lost your coins in bets and want them to reimburse you because of that rule? I reckon they should only reimburse you with only all your coins before you have taken those bets.

I had an account 18 months before I made the [email protected] account.  I hadn't bet at the site for 18 months and since I'm being truthful about EVERYTHING, one day I received a message when I went to log in that the account was closed or something due to being a USA customer.

So 18 months later I made the [email protected] account on a VPN.  I had never been KYC'd before.

According to my tallies via my emails, example screenshot here:






you can look at full transaction histories and tallies here from [email protected] 18 months before i opened the efxes account about 3 months ago:  https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1i-FSIgUq4NsDNjFS0lAULSytUpwHnB2Vf3Gtupu8ILw/edit?usp=sharing


In total I tallied that I made 198 deposits and 37 withdrawals and

Lost 2.6858 (negative -2.6858 BTC)

Cloudbet: please feel free to verify the transaction history on that account.  Here's a screenshot of one of the emails i used to tally this up.





Here's the tallies from the official spreadsheet of the [email protected] account, sent to me by head of customer service:






https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1RinFRRp_GP6E7P124fUWljew_GXJXmLjGwBXweM6n0I/edit?usp=sharing





Here's what 10.7 bch is worth in bitcoin:





So I am up 1.75 bitcoins total (that is including the value of the bch) in the [email protected] account.



I am down -2.6858 according to cloudbet's calculations in the [email protected] account.



This puts me as a lifetime loser on cloudbet at



1.75 profit minus 2.6858 losses











I am adding the screenshots of each email to each line in the spreadsheet to verify that these emails are real.  I am requesting that Cloudbet verify my lifetime losses on [email protected] over the 2-3 years I had the account.  I made 198 deposits and 37 withdrawals and lost a total of 2.68 bitcoins there.



Again:

Unofficial [email protected] from 2017-2019 account deposits and withdrawals

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1i-FSIgUq4NsDNjFS0lAULSytUpwHnB2Vf3Gtupu8ILw/edit?usp=sharing

All email screenshots are being included, all 198 deposit email screenshots and 37 withdrawal screenshots.



Official [email protected] from 6/22/20 to 9/22/20 here direct from Cloudbet:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1RinFRRp_GP6E7P124fUWljew_GXJXmLjGwBXweM6n0I/edit?usp=sharing




So if this is the case, I was a long-time loyal customer 18 months before before I even thought to use a VPN in order to play on Cloudbet.  They closed my account since I used it from USA.  I shouldn't have, but I opened an account 18 months later in order to finally get back on Cloudbet.  So yes, I had two accounts.  But looking at my [email protected] account i had lost 2.7 bitcoins there anyways.  So I'm down overall on the site so this means that I should be due my money back.




If you don't want to click into the spreadsheet and you want to see all the proof of the deposits and withdrawals on the [email protected]

here is the imgur post with 240 deposits from 2017 to January of 2019
https://imgur.com/a/cKScZIG

Much has been said and written about it. Yet the only fair solution seems that Cloudbet will simply pay out properly. After all, they themselves allowed this player to gamble. They should have asked for documentation or verification much sooner, and not just after big wins. Perhaps the player in question is not going completely free either, but we are talking about a betting organization, which has to be perfect and not just good. Nor is it that they just started. Unfortunately, they have made many victims. The fact that they indicate that the victim can now lodge a complaint via the committee does not say anything. They will know from experience that people often don't do that anyway because it will probably be a long process. 15,000 USD is a little something for Cloudbet, they can easily miss that money.

Ethically no, but legally yes and the word rob should not be used here because they mentioned it clearly on their ToS so they can freeze and terminate your account without any further questions.Thi is not new, traditional banks are doing this, coinbase done this and lot other crypto related platform terminate your account and release your funds or not is based on their own decision and literally you can't force them to give the money back because you are broken now.

Yea i agree with everything cloudbet said except one thing. they keep saying im a big winner lifetime. since ive had other accts im actually down lifetime i believe, not sure on exact results but ive def lost on other accts too, i understand this is against terms of service too but lets be reasonable, they could look the other way and give me something for this, and make it clear that if i try to play there again from usa they will be allowed to confiscate everything

I've mostly deposited and almost never withdrawn in the entire lifetime of having the [email protected] account. 

I'm down so much bitcoin and if they want to post the deposits and withdrawals of my old account they can do that to give more perspective that Im really not down that much.  Maybe they can just confiscate any deposits if I deposit in the future- in general at Cloudbet I was a long time loyal customer for 3 years now and have been making deposits and hardly withdrawing the entire time.  I won some back but not even close to what I'm down on the site.  I've given them a lot of BTC over the years and they want to paint me as a winner which I am not.   I lose loads at sports, more than I can afford.

i need to add some things as well.

I played on the site using email [email protected] in the past.

There, I'm not sure of the tally but I might be down 30 BTC or more, possibly much more.  I played on there for a year or two or more back in 2018 and earlier.  

I'm not a winning sports bettor and on Cloudbet I'm down a lot.  So my total wins losses definitely is not up $30,000.  It's more like down $100,000 or more.  

Here's a few emails of me losing BTC deposits from very long ago.


Hi [email protected],

You have successfully deposited 0.10010162BTC. The funds have been credited to your Cloudbet account.

The transaction hash is: be0c14b6e9e219d281f2d6049e06007f4b4305553f30b0412f395740874751d5

The transaction was completed at 2019-01-12 20:18:37 UTC


Here's a BTC address that i used to deposit to
https://www.blockchain.com/btc/address/1PNeoc2cyBfYTzwUwporWwNKYwqnVhW5CD?page=2


But I think that I am down many many bitcoins on the site, I don't know why i don't see all the deposits , maybe I had an additional bitcoin address, and i will tally it all up now using my emails (cloudbet can help in this too I am hoping by looking at ledger for [email protected]) but you have to understand, I am no winning sports bettor.  My life has been near ruined by sports betting.  All my poker winnings and Uber driving generally has gone to sports betting.

Only recently have I become good at betting on tennis and nothing else, but even then I tilt and bet lower matches and it is not easy to win, and I am down six figures or more if you think about bitcoin rise lifetime.

It's your point of view. There's other side too. They are running business legally and they have to maintain a lot of things. They can be charged with money laundering as well and FYI, gambling sites are being used for money laundering as well AFAIK.
Well, they of course have no right to take your deposit; same as some people don't have right to play from restricted countries. If you haven't follow their terms and condition, they can freeze your account and require information they need to verify. By knowing this, you have gamble there.

I want to add that it still doesn't make it right for them to take these deposits from me. If I deposit it then they are allowed to take the deposits?  This is so unfair, but complaining won't do anything at this point.  I don't think the lying should negate this fact... they still are guilty of stealing my last funds when I deposited them.

I'm usually such an honest person, this was so out of my character and I was not handling keeping up this story very well... the whole thing has made me very upset.

I'm very sorry about this, looking back I do think it's common for people in my situation to make up a story and stick to it.  When it comes to money I think people are willing to lie and make up stories when they feel justified- this is a big learning lesson for me to just stay honest no matter what.  I felt the money was more important than my integrity and I'm so sorry for mis-leading people.

I feel awful about it.  Tell me what I can do to make it up to you.

I am taking back everything I said - still not happy about the way Cloudbet have been handling this but one thing's for sure - efxes, you don't deserve any better than this based on how you made up various things - consider writing a book or so but don't ask anyone for support again.

Another confession: I have mistaken the last deposits, I thought the last 3 BCH and 11 BCH were from cloudbet they were not but you can see here my last 4 deposits and they add to 84 BCH.

On the last day within 2 hours I send three successive deposits of 60 BCH total (24, 20, 16)
https://blockchair.com/bitcoin-cash/address/qp468pkf0ujwcpr4ak70ceya4seyapzy4vxk7hewqv

This is the BCH wallet address.  I added on with each of those BCH deposits to the balance with the previous day's BCH balance I believe, though I know for sure the 60BCH wasn't because I lost, those were all basically one deposit.

Hi. 

Usually it is standard to return the balance on the account or the the deposits made on the account since the account had a zero balance.  This is standard. 
I've never heard of someone accepting large deposits and taking them and not returning them (reputable books)

I don't think they are going to do that there are so many people with complaints about not getting their money I don't think they can accommodate all of these people



I don't think they will take your promise, for them you break their rules and that's it if it's only few hundreds they will give it back, but we are talking $15000 and this is huge money.

Hi Robel, if you see thread post here https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.55353973
I just confessed yesterday to multiple lies i've made up to try and get paid.  I'm sorry for mis-leading you guys but please read it and then decide.

I hear it's because they've done this to many more people so if they just gave me my deposits back they'd have to give other people their's too?  It's not fair though.  

I sent X that day, I should get X back or whatever the cashout is if i lost or take the winnings back and give X back if I won and not the winnings just give it back you know?  And I will give my promise if I am caught playing there you can take it next time no problem but give me my life back, you know?

They should go for for an independent third party arbitration and respect the decision of the arbiter, this will prove once and for all on who is telling the truth and the legality of the claim, this is an interesting case, there could be a repeat of this scenario in the future.

@efxes I have read your confession just now I know your frustration but I still recommend that an arbiter should decide this issue I have this feeling that the decision will not be in your favor I hope I'm wrong but if ever I hope you can live with this, there's more to life than this.

Cloudbet thread is all messed this will ruin his already ruin business  I will not surprised if he decides to lock this thread and start a new one but even if he starts a new one, it will not take off because of this messed now this is one gambling site that is going to be over Cloudbet is very stubborn not to give in.