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Quote from: Borgminer on February 20, 2015, 02:02:34 PM

so in order to not be a ponzi they need to answer those questions .

Yes.

Quote from: Borgminer on February 20, 2015, 02:02:34 PM

so even if a person meets roi after 6 months and still earning they are a ponzi ?

Yes, they are unless they give proof.

Quote from: Borgminer on February 20, 2015, 02:02:34 PM

or would it be considered a failed business .

It is upto them to decide it but once it is obsolete, we can tell "they are failed business".

Quote from: Borgminer on February 20, 2015, 02:02:34 PM

I dont know how long site has been open but they have been paying out since dec 1 for me .

Their domain was first registered on 2014-10-30.

Quote from: Borgminer on February 20, 2015, 02:02:34 PM

now whats really funny thats not on the list is Eobot. now thats a scam . advertising and selling ghs and not giving the speed . then charging 84 percent of what you mined.

Eobot is there in 'Ticking timebombs' where you saw Cloudminr.

-MZ

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so in order to not be a ponzi they need to answer those questions . so even if a person meets roi after 6 months and still earning they are a ponzi ? or would it be considered a failed business . I dont know how long site has been open but they have been paying out since dec 1 for me . now whats really funny thats not on the list is Eobot. now thats a scam . advertising and selling ghs and not giving the speed . then charging 84 percent of what you mined.

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Quote from: Borgminer on February 20, 2015, 01:25:54 PM

how is cloudminr.io a scam ? I purchased ghs with them so i would really like to know . customer support always answers questions i have sent them .

Every ponzi do it. It is mostly a scam because it isn't providing legit-proofs about their mining. They didn't publish a block solved by them. Take a look at PBMining and you will know what we're telling.

-MZ

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how is cloudminr.io a scam ? I purchased ghs with them so i would really like to know . customer support always answers questions i have sent them .

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Quote from: rualpema on February 12, 2015, 09:46:19 AM

Good afternoon guys.
with so many sites to sell bitcoin machines.
which reliable?
those that we pay, and we are not deceived.
I leave here some sites where they sell machines.
who know who are reliable.

http://asicminer-shop.de/Home

http://hashra.com/

http://www.gawminers.com/

http://www.spondoolies-tech.com/

http://www.antminerdistribution.com/

http://buy-antminer.com/

https://www.protact.net

https://www.achilleslabs.com/shop/

https://www.hashcoins.com/

https://www.minerslab.com/ 99% fraud

https://bitmaintech.com/product.htm

https://emic.com.pl/en/ 99% fraud

http://holybitcoin.com/

http://www.xbtec.io/

http://www.visionman.com/product_info_2.php?products_id=9310

http://bitmine.ch/product/coincraft-desk-gen2/

http://technobit.eu/index.php

http://www.bithashminer.com/

spondoolies-tech.com makes very good miners, they are reliable, I have bought some and I am very satisfied
technobit.eu makes cheap, noisy, energetic non efficient miners, I have bought there, I was satisfied for a while
bitmaintech.com makes good, efficient, cheap miners, I have bought there, I am satisfied

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Mine hard!

Quote from: Muhammed Zakir on February 15, 2015, 01:27:57 AM

Quote from: btcminer021 on February 14, 2015, 10:15:28 PM

Love this damn post! Keep the list going!

Next up one on the odds for the casino sites? Shocked

IIRC There is one already made by DiamondCardz.

-MZ

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/overview-of-popular-bitcoin-gambling-websites-up-to-date-as-of-8th-nov-15-927971

Good info here, thanks!

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Quote from: btcminer021 on February 14, 2015, 10:15:28 PM

Love this damn post! Keep the list going!

Next up one on the odds for the casino sites? Shocked

IIRC There is one already made by DiamondCardz.

-MZ

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Mine hard!

Love this damn post! Keep the list going!

Next up one on the odds for the casino sites? Shocked

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Quote from: ATCkit on February 13, 2015, 03:14:37 PM

No they're not cloud mining. I've read that they're selling off the 5 PHS of Bitmain S4 miners they bought for this. The company line is that the maintenance fees they collected did not cover the cost for cloud mining. Others say that there's SEC concern about them mining now that they're running PayBase, Paycoin and an Exchange. GAW is trying to be the first company doing things by the book so that they can release the PayBase features when they get the legal green light. Once they set the example of meeting legal requirements in what they are doing behind the scenes now, others will be examined by the governments and have to meet the same requirements too. It will be interesting to see how Crypto 2.0 unfolds in 2015.

I also got the email. But... I think THs-they-were-selling isn't equal to THs-they-have.

-MZ

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Quote from: Muhammed Zakir on February 13, 2015, 01:06:46 AM

Quote from: owlcatz on February 12, 2015, 09:02:42 PM

Don't buy anything from GAW miners, unless you want to support a scam operation. https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/gaw-josh-garza-discussion-paycoin-xpy-xpyio-ion-ionomy-always-make-money-857670

They shutdown it recently. Did they start cloud mining again?

-MZ

No they're not cloud mining. I've read that they're selling off the 5 PHS of Bitmain S4 miners they bought for this. The company line is that the maintenance fees they collected did not cover the cost for cloud mining. Others say that there's SEC concern about them mining now that they're running PayBase, Paycoin and an Exchange. GAW is trying to be the first company doing things by the book so that they can release the PayBase features when they get the legal green light. Once they set the example of meeting legal requirements in what they are doing behind the scenes now, others will be examined by the governments and have to meet the same requirements too. It will be interesting to see how Crypto 2.0 unfolds in 2015.

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Looks like bitcloudmine.com is the newest ponzi scam.

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Excellent work, most of these sites are indeed scams.

Keep it up.

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Quote from: owlcatz on February 12, 2015, 09:02:42 PM

Don't buy anything from GAW miners, unless you want to support a scam operation. https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/gaw-josh-garza-discussion-paycoin-xpy-xpyio-ion-ionomy-always-make-money-857670

They shutdown it recently. Did they start cloud mining again?

-MZ

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Don't buy anything from GAW miners, unless you want to support a scam operation. https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/gaw-josh-garza-discussion-paycoin-xpy-xpyio-ion-ionomy-always-make-money-857670

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check out these 2 guides:

Dogie's Comprehensive Manufacturer Trustworthiness Guide:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/guide-dogies-comprehensive-manufacturer-trustworthiness-guide-1st-feb-2016-456691

and

Bicknellski's Moderated Biased & Opinionated Miner Sellers Trustworthiness Guide
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/guide-bs-a-more-ethical-trustworthy-miner-sellers-trustworthiness-guide-799423

Personally, I buy from Bitmain. I hear Spoondoolies is very good to deal with too.

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Good afternoon guys.
with so many sites to sell bitcoin machines.
which reliable?
those that we pay, and we are not deceived.
I leave here some sites where they sell machines.
who know who are reliable.

http://asicminer-shop.de/Home

http://hashra.com/

http://www.gawminers.com/

http://www.spondoolies-tech.com/

http://www.antminerdistribution.com/

http://buy-antminer.com/

https://www.protact.net

https://www.achilleslabs.com/shop/

https://www.hashcoins.com/

https://www.minerslab.com/ 99% fraud

https://bitmaintech.com/product.htm

https://emic.com.pl/en/ 99% fraud

http://holybitcoin.com/

http://www.xbtec.io/

http://www.visionman.com/product_info_2.php?products_id=9310

http://bitmine.ch/product/coincraft-desk-gen2/

http://technobit.eu/index.php

http://www.bithashminer.com/

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Quote from: l3sny on February 08, 2015, 08:36:50 AM

Quote from: picolo on February 08, 2015, 06:31:40 AM

Quote from: l3sny on February 08, 2015, 05:35:19 AM

Quote from: kingbruce on February 02, 2015, 02:53:47 PM

Cloudmining does has a very bad rep. That is why with my friends who ask me should they get into cloudmining I tell them hell no. Me personally I still bring in about $4k a month from cloudmining but this I know is something temp. I tell them buy the hardware yourself from a true business preferably a business you can go into and tell them what you want and need. I was trying to help people recover from cloudmining on this forum but everyone started bashing me because I would not just come out and say what it was. But maybe the will listen know. Since we have more and more people loosing the cloudmining fight.

Not true. There are reliable businesses with real hardware and reasonable maintenance costs. Apart form that difficulty is going ups and downs so you can make good margins on trading and mining at the same time. Real hardware and mining at home now really sucks as the electricity costs are now high.

I would say that most businesses have real hardware and reasonable maintenane costs but even a real business with reasonable maintenance costs can fail or steal its clients.

Any business accepting clients' money can steal them. Just look on the banks Wink

But that´s ...///drumbeat///... legal scamming. You know, like when the government has a monopoly on the use of violence. Which it decreed on itself of course while it legalized sundry scams. Scamsters often require quite violent protection that goes without saying.

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What Anybody Know Site to cloud mining LTC or DOGE but not SCAM or PONZI??

Cheesy

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Quote from: picolo on February 08, 2015, 06:31:40 AM

Quote from: l3sny on February 08, 2015, 05:35:19 AM

Quote from: kingbruce on February 02, 2015, 02:53:47 PM

Cloudmining does has a very bad rep. That is why with my friends who ask me should they get into cloudmining I tell them hell no. Me personally I still bring in about $4k a month from cloudmining but this I know is something temp. I tell them buy the hardware yourself from a true business preferably a business you can go into and tell them what you want and need. I was trying to help people recover from cloudmining on this forum but everyone started bashing me because I would not just come out and say what it was. But maybe the will listen know. Since we have more and more people loosing the cloudmining fight.

Not true. There are reliable businesses with real hardware and reasonable maintenance costs. Apart form that difficulty is going ups and downs so you can make good margins on trading and mining at the same time. Real hardware and mining at home now really sucks as the electricity costs are now high.

I would say that most businesses have real hardware and reasonable maintenane costs but even a real business with reasonable maintenance costs can fail or steal its clients.

Any business accepting clients' money can steal them. Just look on the banks Wink

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