Topic: Cock fight game - page 15. (Read 4185 times)

A poll, discussion, or debate is not really necessary as both parties have different points of view and their respective beliefs won't be changed. It will turn into a never-ending debate, the same as how debates about politics, religion, and culture went through.

For Gamblers, they really don't mind the use of animals in sports like cockfighting or horse racing.

For animal lovers, they will really oppose the idea of having such sports involving animals.

As for me, I really don't mind both but it doesn't mean I do bet on cockfighting or don't care for animals. In fact, I have 3 dogs, 2 cats, 2 native chickens, and 6 hamsters in our home lol. It's just that, ethical or unethical, we can't change the fact that cockfighting is already there in countries where it is allowed.

Back to OP's question if such a game can be in a casino, the answer is NO technically but a casino game can be designed with such a concept.

Animal cruelty is discussed much. With the same, different cultural events have been cited. It is true one should not do harm to the animals. If we've innovated something new it is fine. Here we're following what is being followed out of a community's tradition and culture. Only a poll can get the proper result. I'll be in favour of people to continue gambling with animals, if this is cruelty killing animals for our fooding too is cruelty.

This is totally in history and this is three is something that so many of us that don't know it have to pay attention and learn about it very well so I've not heard of this story or theory but with this explanation forum, and I can be able to understand exactly and the next time I can also be I will to explain to another person to understand this concept

You need to be raised in this culture to have no feelings for animals. I'll give you an example. When I first saw a movie about how the Chinese treat dogs and cats before eating them, I was struck by their brutality. These people boil them alive because they think the taste is better if they prepare them this way. It's a sick practice and they don't even blink when they torture these poor animals. They act like this because they were brought up in a culture where an animal is treated like a thing.

Same with those who watch animal fight and enjoy them. You don't care about feelings of a fly or a mosquito and they don't care about rams or dogs. To these people it's one and the same.

Might be better if we have a poll OP?

This discussions has turned into animal cruelty vs gamblers who doesn't mind animals being involved for such games.

Like in your case, it seems that its already part of your culture and customs and yet it is being criticized here. So I'm just interested on the numbers, who favors who in this kind of argument.

I strongly oppose the use of animals in sports. It is unjust how these creatures have been treated for the sake of sports and gambling. They are live entities with feelings. Unlike humans, we can tell when we want to join in something or not, but they are forced to participate with no option to reject because they cannot communicate like us. It does not seem appropriate to me, but everyone is entitled to their own opinion.

From someone who lives on a country where cockfighting is a normal gambling activity, I beg to disagree. Cockfighting may be considered as a legal gambling activity and it might be regulated on some places, but still cockfighting involves violence between two animals that was forced by us human.

However, I also disagree with freedomgo that horseracing should be allowed as it also involves us humans hurting horse for the sake of our fun and leisure. Both cockfighting and horseracing should not be allowed to operate as both involve animal cruelty and unnecessary violence.

As long as it was properly regulated, I don't see why should there be a concern referring to animal cruelty.

There is a lot of violence related to animals globally that needed to be prioritized and addressed that's why it's not a big deal for me to call for an abolishment of cockfighting as a whole as long as it is legal in that country and all standard proceedings are strictly followed.

For a country where cockfighting is treated as legal gambling, we should respect that country's view about that.

Be it passion or simply for profits alone, it will always be very unlikely to see animals fighting each other for man’s satisfaction. We can always chose to gamble with money by using other means but not using animals as tools. Maybe the reason why most of the countries banned cockfighting, and only in Asian countries that the gamblers are more passionate about it. It’s okay for a horse race as it’s also kind of gambling, but I don’t see it reasonable for cockfighting.

Cockfighting is also one of the ancient gambling game in my country.  Though they are not performed as a religious ritual, many people are so fond of watching these two fowl fight to the death.  Maybe it is part of human nature to watch animals fighting each other since I have seen several gambling games involving two male of the same specie fighting each other to death or whoever dominates the fight win like horse fighting where two stallions are forced into a scenario of fighting to mate since a mare is also presented  Here is a sample video on how the two stallion fight each other to get the right to mate with the mare[1]. 

There is also this gamble that involves insects and reptiles.  Like Spider fighting like this one[2] seen on youtube.  This might be less brutal because the spider has a chance to run away but still, sometimes spiders are killed in this gambling activity.


This kind of gambling game is too brutal.  It involves a bloody battle between animals.  It is fine it is a course of nature but pitting 3 dogs against 1 boar in a close cage is.  That gives no chance to a wild boar because it is against 3 dogs and no way to run.  I believe this kind of gambling has been banned from several countries because of its brutality.



I greatly agree animal lovers find this act brutal and any perpetrator should be punished by law.  Imagine, putting our place in the wild boars situation where we are put in a close cage against 3 lions?  I bet we cannot find excitement and entertainment in that scenario.

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[1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g6uvuy2g9Yw
[2] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dokf_VvEShk

Well I haven't been involved in such gambling before although I have seen lots of movies where people do stake a bet on two cock to fight and then the winner goes with the cash.

Well I don't know if it's  going to possible because as most people has said already violation of animals is considered illegal stuff in some countries and it can lead to arrest of such people involved in it.

@AakZaki, we are very familiar with cockfighting. in almost all provinces in our country, cockfighting gambling must exist even though it has become illegal. even if you know, in Bali. Cockfighting is not a gamble, but a religious ritual. Cockfighting in Bali is a sincere sacrifice for the Bhata Khala. and how the prices of fighting cocks are very high.

There are other types of gambling, I'm sure you are also familiar. the dog fights with the wild boar, how the wild boar will be beaten by several dogs as a fighting opponent. just like a match in the ring, one wild boar fights with 2-3 dogs at a time, until someone becomes a victim. this gambling is also very familiar in our country, isn't it, as entertainment for the village community.

However, in this era. betting involving fighting animals is no longer relevant and has become an illegal activity. culture and traditions like this, must be abandoned. now we have casinos that are more relevant as entertainment, without having to sacrifice those animals that actually have the right to live freely.

Unfortunately, that's only the reason why it's hard to completely ban cock fighting since it has already become a norm or a culture since it has been played for a long time. Also, there are some provincial areas in these Asian countries which have limited access to technology and the internet, and cock fighting is very commonly played in those areas. Other reasons also included are that cocks, or chickens are normally being killed for human consumption unlike other animals like dogs which are kept as a pet and not for food.

Still, I understand that this should be stopped and banned completely as these animals feel pain and should undergo these circumstances before getting killed.

It seems to me that there is no need to prohibit such entertainments and to ensure that they die out by force. Culture is inevitably changing (and it has been happening at a rapid pace in recent decades) so these forms of entertainment will naturally become a thing of the past. As far as I know, bullfighting was banned in Spain after, in fact, public interest in it had fallen sharply. When cockfighting becomes not part of the culture but a marginalized entertainment, then it will be relevant to completely ban it.

That's understandable that cock fighting is an ancient game that was popular in a time when there was no internet and no such digital technology but the problem is why this sport is still popular in the current era in some areas?

There should be a complete ban on this sport and there should be extreme punishment for those who get caught playing this sport. When there will be no cock fighting, there will be no betting on it.

Many audiences enjoy cockfighting and using other animals because it is the entertainment they rarely find on the field or in public. The local government may allow the show as long as no one knows that they are betting because it can make ordinary people curious and finally participate in the bet. And yes, cockfighting is still practiced in rural areas, especially in Asia, because people are still used to betting on cocks or something there. But hopefully, in the future, the government will take action to make its citizens aware not to use animals to bet.

And about my stand about this culture and tradition, I'll be just neutral about it and choose not to meddle with it because as I said, even if they aren't supposed to be treated like that, we're somehow too late to stop it because this has been going on for centuries and it's already normal especially if you're from Asia.

And there's a stain now after they announced it was an illegal industry. Many of our countrymen lost a lot of money on that online "sabong" as they call it.
I didn't know it was banned, I thought the trend just calmed down but they are still doing it in the shadow or, there's just not much hype about it.

The physical cock fighting industry though will continue.
In fact, there's been a lot of equipment working near our place too and I heard it will be a cock fighting pit on the blueprint. I don't know if it will be good for our city considering how huge the gambling taxes are but I worry about kids growing up near it.

I respect other cultures, and I think it's none of my business what they are doing in their countries with their animals, but I personally would not be staying among people watching animals fights because this scene isn't something I'd like to watch. I hope such game, I mean, betting on live animals, will not be presented in any casino I'm playing in.

There are different organizations all over the world dedicated for animal welfare. In some countries, animal welfare isn't much prioritized because of lack of funds and compassion of the people for the animals. This mainly is rooted to the government negligence on other aspects of life and country that has to be looked upon due to their incompetence and greediness. While it is true that in underdeveloped country animals aren't usually taken care of, it doesn't necessarily mean that you could be heartless. Because afterall, we are still in-charge of how we will act and how we will empathize with others even if it isn't fellow human.

Regarding the difference between cockfighting and boxing, there's a really a huge gap between them. They clearly isn't the same even if fighting is involved in both. In boxing, a human is conscious and can give consent on the bout. Humans can decide for themselves. The fight will only commence with their permission of participation in it. However, with cockfighting, animals are being subjected into fight without their consent because they can't even give one to begin with. They are just adhering with what's told of them. They don't want to fight on their own will, but are only forced to fight for the sake of bet that their owner or handler can get after the fight. It isn't the same with boxing wherein a boxer can back out if he wanted to.