Hey I just imagined that I am God! That should be proof enough for you all to bow down and worship me, right?
This guy needs to use air-quotes around the word scientist when he calls himself a computer "scientist".
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What the hell you find interesting in it? it is as usual thought that was prevailing still now.
I’m praying more and my desire to study has gotten stronger.
Ultimately this proof rests on whether human beings can truly understand what God is and that its concept cannot be derived simply as an extension or ultimate regression of something which exists in fact. In which case, God doesn't really exist in your mind, only some superficial idea you are generically referring to as God. But obviously, humans can't completely conceive of God, or maybe they can...
That's why we have the Bible. In the Bible, God Himself explains Himself in ways that we can understand. And He includes enough info so that we can figure out many things about God that we couldn't if He hadn't revealed what He had. We don't really need the hard to understand Gödel information. In other words, we have the miracle of the Bible that we can understand, to back up the Gödel information that we have a difficult time understanding.
Ultimately this proof rests on whether human beings can truly understand what God is and that its concept cannot be derived simply as an extension or ultimate regression of something which exists in fact. In which case, God doesn't really exist in your mind, only some superficial idea you are generically referring to as God. But obviously, humans can't completely conceive of God, or maybe they can...
It was much earlier proven that God really existed because Jesus was a God himself and would definitely existed
I don't know what the interesting you fou d here. I think they just modified ancient religious believes without even on a scientific base
I think this news has not been properly titled. The right title should be: Computer Scientists Prove God Exists in Their Imagination.
In fact, there is absolutely no way to prove anything more than that. If you think otherwise you don't really know the meaning of the world "prove".
In fact, there is absolutely no way to prove anything more than that. If you think otherwise you don't really know the meaning of the world "prove".
It's okay. You are pardoned for your thinking. After all, some of Gödel’s stuff is a little deep.
I think this news has not been properly titled. The right title should be: Computer Scientists Prove God Exists in Their Imagination.
In fact, there is absolutely no way to prove anything more than that. If you think otherwise you don't really know the meaning of the world "prove".
In fact, there is absolutely no way to prove anything more than that. If you think otherwise you don't really know the meaning of the world "prove".
Well if this is true well and good!.. that only prove that what they discover is only the confirmation of what has been told since the beginning of time...but the truth is whether scientists believe it or not God is still exist and no one can deny it's existence...the heavens itself declare that there is God and we ourselves cannot deny it the truth and the fact no matter how we deny it.
Wow it was really fascinating I watched it. thanks for sharing
That's the best way I could describe the actual shift in events that take place to enable one to fly.
I would talk about airplanes.
That's the best way I could describe the actual shift in events that take place to enable one to fly.
I figured this article would cause some interesting discussions on here!
http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/computer-scientists-prove-god-exists/story?id=20678984
http://www.theepochtimes.com/n3/335543-scientists-prove-god-exists-german-scientists-say-they-have/
I find it fascinating.
From one of the articles:
http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/computer-scientists-prove-god-exists/story?id=20678984
http://www.theepochtimes.com/n3/335543-scientists-prove-god-exists-german-scientists-say-they-have/
I find it fascinating.
From one of the articles:
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Gödel’s theorem is based on modal logic, a type of formal logic that, narrowly defined, involves the use of the expressions “necessarily” and “possibly,” according to Stanford University.
The theorem says that God, or a supreme being, is that for which no greater can be conceived. God exists in the understanding. If God exists in the understanding, we could imagine Him to be greater by existing in reality. Therefore, God must exist.
Paleo and Benzmüller say that they have proven that the theorem is correct, at least on a mathematical level.
The theorem says that God, or a supreme being, is that for which no greater can be conceived. God exists in the understanding. If God exists in the understanding, we could imagine Him to be greater by existing in reality. Therefore, God must exist.
Paleo and Benzmüller say that they have proven that the theorem is correct, at least on a mathematical level.
I believe God exist and science discovery is one the best tool for the existence of God.
I agree. But here is what the opponents will do. They will talk in complex enough circles against this so that they can claim that they have proven that Gödel is wrong. If a person wants to show the opponents to be wrong, he almost literally has to take their writings and tear them apart piece by piece, pointing out the flaws in them. Then the opponents take the writings against them, and tear them apart piece by piece.
What does this whole thing turn into? It runs into a political debate. The longer it goes on, the more it goes away from the original topic... Gödel's work. These political scientists (actually, trolls) do this because that is the only scientific thing that hey have - political science. If one of them happens to be smart enough and downplay this post, he will use political science to do it, and will make it look like I am the one using political science.
Why do they do it? They are part of a group of people who are trying to condition society in ways that will make them or their masters more money. They don't really care what the truth is. All they care about is money.
I figured this article would cause some interesting discussions on here!
http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/computer-scientists-prove-god-exists/story?id=20678984
http://www.theepochtimes.com/n3/335543-scientists-prove-god-exists-german-scientists-say-they-have/
I find it fascinating.
From one of the articles:
http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/computer-scientists-prove-god-exists/story?id=20678984
http://www.theepochtimes.com/n3/335543-scientists-prove-god-exists-german-scientists-say-they-have/
I find it fascinating.
From one of the articles:
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Gödel’s theorem is based on modal logic, a type of formal logic that, narrowly defined, involves the use of the expressions “necessarily” and “possibly,” according to Stanford University.
The theorem says that God, or a supreme being, is that for which no greater can be conceived. God exists in the understanding. If God exists in the understanding, we could imagine Him to be greater by existing in reality. Therefore, God must exist.
Paleo and Benzmüller say that they have proven that the theorem is correct, at least on a mathematical level.
The theorem says that God, or a supreme being, is that for which no greater can be conceived. God exists in the understanding. If God exists in the understanding, we could imagine Him to be greater by existing in reality. Therefore, God must exist.
Paleo and Benzmüller say that they have proven that the theorem is correct, at least on a mathematical level.
I believe God exist and science discovery is one the best tool for the existence of God.
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The theorem says that God, or a supreme being, is that for which no greater can be conceived. God exists in the understanding. If God exists in the understanding, we could imagine Him to be greater by existing in reality. Therefore, God must exist.
This is contradictory and stupid logic, what they're essentially saying is that if you believe it is real then it must exist and that's the kind of arguments that religious people have been using for years, whether or not they are correct is down to the evidence provided as we've known yet again for years, I also noticed that these articles don't bother going into any of the actual maths or scientific evidence for this theory which basically means they're putting up a ridiculous headline so they'll get people reading.
As far as I'm concerned, gods have to prove their existence to me if they want me to believe in them, not the other way round, this looks a lot like fake or very dodgy science to me to make it seem that religious people are correct.
I believe with this premise, everything that we have a name for must exist, the human mind cant just imagine things like that, the unicorn, dragons and God does or did exist. God still exists though. So does the Devil.
If they claim to have proved it they have actually proved something, that they ignore the scientific method.
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The theorem says that God, or a supreme being, is that for which no greater can be conceived. God exists in the understanding. If God exists in the understanding, we could imagine Him to be greater by existing in reality. Therefore, God must exist.
This is contradictory and stupid logic, what they're essentially saying is that if you believe it is real then it must exist and that's the kind of arguments that religious people have been using for years, whether or not they are correct is down to the evidence provided as we've known yet again for years, I also noticed that these articles don't bother going into any of the actual maths or scientific evidence for this theory which basically means they're putting up a ridiculous headline so they'll get people reading.
As far as I'm concerned, gods have to prove their existence to me if they want me to believe in them, not the other way round, this looks a lot like fake or very dodgy science to me to make it seem that religious people are correct.
I can't find any sound logic at all.
The theorem mentioned is kind of rusty already. It has already been used, reused, paraphrased, and everything again and again and again.
Finally, the subject "Computer Scientists Prove God Exists" is somehow misplaced. The theorem forwarded proves it so.
But if you ad the separate scientific principle/law to this, then God is definitely proven... even without entropy thrown into the mix.
You must be very happy because someone created a thread like this.
So i open this topic and i see the title of this very old thread and i thought finally someone would show photos and videos showing god... I did not see anything useful
Not as happy as you will be if you realize God exists, and then believe what He tells us in the Bible about Jesus-salvation.
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The theorem says that God, or a supreme being, is that for which no greater can be conceived. God exists in the understanding. If God exists in the understanding, we could imagine Him to be greater by existing in reality. Therefore, God must exist.
This is contradictory and stupid logic, what they're essentially saying is that if you believe it is real then it must exist and that's the kind of arguments that religious people have been using for years, whether or not they are correct is down to the evidence provided as we've known yet again for years, I also noticed that these articles don't bother going into any of the actual maths or scientific evidence for this theory which basically means they're putting up a ridiculous headline so they'll get people reading.
As far as I'm concerned, gods have to prove their existence to me if they want me to believe in them, not the other way round, this looks a lot like fake or very dodgy science to me to make it seem that religious people are correct.
I can't find any sound logic at all.
The theorem mentioned is kind of rusty already. It has already been used, reused, paraphrased, and everything again and again and again.
Finally, the subject "Computer Scientists Prove God Exists" is somehow misplaced. The theorem forwarded proves it so.
But if you ad the separate scientific principle/law to this, then God is definitely proven... even without entropy thrown into the mix.
You must be very happy because someone created a thread like this.
So i open this topic and i see the title of this very old thread and i thought finally someone would show photos and videos showing god... I did not see anything useful
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The theorem says that God, or a supreme being, is that for which no greater can be conceived. God exists in the understanding. If God exists in the understanding, we could imagine Him to be greater by existing in reality. Therefore, God must exist.
This is contradictory and stupid logic, what they're essentially saying is that if you believe it is real then it must exist and that's the kind of arguments that religious people have been using for years, whether or not they are correct is down to the evidence provided as we've known yet again for years, I also noticed that these articles don't bother going into any of the actual maths or scientific evidence for this theory which basically means they're putting up a ridiculous headline so they'll get people reading.
As far as I'm concerned, gods have to prove their existence to me if they want me to believe in them, not the other way round, this looks a lot like fake or very dodgy science to me to make it seem that religious people are correct.
I believe with this premise, everything that we have a name for must exist, the human mind cant just imagine things like that, the unicorn, dragons and God does or did exist. God still exists though. So does the Devil.
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