Topic: Computer Scientists Prove God Exists - page 21. (Read 25293 times)

Probably not the best argument.  If you look around the planet at the places with the most population growth, they are mostly those places with more religiosity.


Useful lies tend to persist much longer than useless ones in the minds in which they take root.  Basic memetics.  Consider whether there may be more than one reason religions persist.

Maybe for you - a guy that gets destroys his brain and contributes nothing to society other than as a thief...

For the rest of us, a sudden collapse of government would mean a loss of roads, fire services, protection, etc.  Only the 0.1% (or less) of us that were prepared to live without society would survive.  A lazy ass dreamer like yourself would be dead after 3 days of no water.

Ego, knowledge of the physical world has risen, yes.  But all this technology isn't really necessary.  Once we evolve to a certain level we won't need phones or computers to contact people, everyone you know will be summoned by your will.

And along with technological advances comes advances in weaponry and warfare.  Look what the world's come today, it's falling apart at the seams.  This world could use some god, not necessarily religion, but god, some love.

I could say the same thing about the government.

As belief in a god has fallen, human population and education has risen.

Religion only persists because people pass on the lies (brainwash) to their children who don't know any better.  If people would let their children decide for themselves then religion would disappear in a generation.  

It may be less about god deserving love, or proofs of existence, than the benefit people get from loving.

Love sustains us, emboldens us, and being loved gives us strength. People thrive more with it than without it.
There is sufficient scientific and empirical evidence for this.

Belief in god may thus contribute to evolutionary success if it yields these benefits, which may explain a part of why it persists.



If you have a goal of dispensing with the belief, you would have to first provide the benefits needed to replace what it offers.

This is also the lesson of bitcoin, to fiat, which I suspect is a much more feasible replacement proposition, and thus perhaps a better use of our energies.

Ok fine - let me post an even simpler question.  

How can your god be a loving one if he purposely creates people he knows he will have to murder later?  Does he whack off to their suffering?

(god does NOT exist by logical necessity, so I challenge you to back up your statement)

I find it ironic that so many fallacies and false assumptions are being made in many of the responses to BitChick's stated beliefs.  A couple are: the assertion of a false dichotomy between free will and determinism, arguing that it is inherently wrong to circularly use the bible to support itself when logic circularly supports itself (and so does the Real Universe as it, too, is, self-contained), misunderstanding the implications of what a monotheistic god is, etc.

You guys need to get your marbles straight first before you criticize her beliefs.  The worst part is that, in general, her beliefs are more accurate than yours (yes, God exists by logical necessity).

Vod, you chose to live this life.  You have always existed and you always will exist, but before you were born, you knew everything about the life you were going to live.

So ask yourself that, why did you come to earth?

Death is part of life, you just have to accept the inevitable.

No, that is not what I mean.  I have explained it perfectly.

Your god created Adam, then as an afterthought (god saw man was lonely) he made Eve.  (That begs another question - since your god can see the future, why didn't he know adam would be lonely in advance???)  Adam and Eve had lots of sex and made lots of babies.

As each person was born, your god knew they would sin but he created them anyway.

So here we have on earth hundreds of millions of people, each whom when he/she born your god knew he would have to kill them.

So finally at the point in time he always knew would happen, your god floods and murders each person on earth.

So - my question to you - why did he create them knowing he would have to murder them?  Does he get off on their suffering?

You don't lose your soul when you die.  It moves to another dimension, another reality.  What you experience is up to your beliefs.

Maybe that's the problem.  I found understanding of all these words without the use of a dictionary, I did it completely internally.  Maybe you should find they mean to you, rather than what they mean to society.

If you really can't that we are spiritually awakening, I'll say it another way.  We are consciously becoming more aware of self.  Not your body, but your true self, your soul.  If you don't know what this means, don't worry, one day you will experience it for yourself and understand.

But He does not murder us. I suppose you could say that the fact that there is a Hell and that we choose to go there is God murdering us? However I look at it differently.  The rules of the world were set in motion at creation. Adam and Eve would not even die.  They were given immortal bodies but then they ate of the forbidden fruit and death entered the world.  Man chose to disobey.  Man chose death.  God then said that He would offer a ransom so that Man would not have to suffer the eternal fate for their choice.  We, as humans, are all born into sin.  We can choose to accept God's payment for our sins and have eternal life or not.  God does not have a choice but to follow the laws that he made.  It would be unjust for Him to allow someone into heaven that had not repented.  Should He just let all of man do what they please without any recourse?  Is that just?  

Some of us have a deep and meaningful relationship with Him.  We know He loves us and that He loves everyone so deeply.  It grieves God to see other suffer.  It then grieves us if we know Him.  

I guess we could wonder why God even made man but I feel very close to God and I feel that the intimacy we share is a amazing thing.  He wants to have the relationship with all of us.  Without free-will though it just would not be the same.  Let's say you had a magic ring and that when you put that ring on a girls finger she fell deeply in love with you and thought you were the most amazing man in the world and worshiped the ground you walked on.  Let's say you fell deeply in love with her but there was something in the back of your mind that made you wonder if she really loved you back or not. Wouldn't you want to take of the ring and really see if she loved you because of her own choice or not?  You would not want her to be forced to love you would you?  God feels the same way about us.  He wants to know if we really love Him.  We have a fallen world with many things we can choose over Him but it means so much to Him when we come to Him out of our own free-will and talk with Him and want to know Him.  

If the planet died tomorrow, how would you get into heaven without a soul?

It's almost like your words have no meaning to you at all.

You exist because everything exists.  Nothing can't exist.

Death is not bad.  If the entire planet exploded tomorrow, I wouldn't be mad at god, I would be in heaven, quite thankful.

No I can't understand that, for I don't know the meanings to your ramblings.

Those three words mean dictionary meaning to me.  They mean something else to you.

Hold on a second.  You sound like god was blind-sighted and had no other choice.

YOU said he knows all.  He knew we were going to sin, he knew he was going to have to kill us.

Why not simply not make us?  Why make us knowing full well he will cause us suffering later.

Tell us why you all-loving god chose to make us knowing he would murder us later.

Can you understand this?  Earth is enduring spiritual awakening, a transition to heaven.

World peace is near.

Soon, anything will be possible.

What do the words "dimension", "heaven" and "death" mean to you?

So what was God supposed to do instead?  Let's say he wanted to create people that would really know Him and love Him because they really wanted to.  We have the choice.  Perhaps He knows in advance who will and who will not choose him?  (this is greatly debated by many different churches BTW) I personally do believe that God knows but does not force us to choose one way or the other.  I guess you could say that he could just sit in heaven and hit the smite button for anyone who decides against God and will never change, especially if He knows that ahead of time?  Perhaps that is what He did do during the flood?  The Bible said that it grieved Him that He had created man.  He did not want to kill man, but the hearts of man had become so hardened and the abuse and evil done on earth was rampant that God finally intervened.

But God is incredibly patient.  He wills for all to come to Him.  He may know who will and who will not, and he allows people to do as they please as they are on this earth.  I guess it could seem heartless for God to create man, especially those He knows ahead of time will not choose Him.  I don't have the answer for that.  Perhaps you should ask Him that one yourself and let me know what He says.

Dank, no one can understand you unless you post a link to your dictionary.  Words like "dimension", "heaven" and "death" mean something different to you than to the rest of us. 

Vod, if you're alive now, you're in luck, you don't have to die some violent death.  You can ascend to the fifth dimension (the rapture) and live in heaven without experiencing death.

But, do realize.  For you to do this, you must come to terms with yourself and believing in 'god'.  If you can't believe in yourself, then you're not ready to ascend dimensions and you are better suited on another earth-like hell, which means a standard physical death is in your future.  It's your choice though.

I think you can do it though, I believe in you.

You have to live life on earth, in hell, in order to grow as an intelligent soul.  To learn/experience the difference from positives and negatives, to develop as a spiritual being.

Many religions say that all paths are valid.  Many religions are all about "earning salvation" by doing good deeds.  Christianity is different then all of these in this one important thing: That Jesus is the way the truth and the life and that no one comes to the Father accept through Him.  And that salvation is a free gift, not by works so that no one can boast about how great he is, but it is a gift from God to us who accept him.  

Call me a nut job but I have read the Bible and studied other religions extensively.  Christianity is set apart.  There is historical evidence that supports the accuracy of the Bible, but more importantly, Jesus has made a profound and life-changing difference in my life.  He has taken brokenness and hate from my heart and put love, joy, peace and hope there.  He has helped me forgive those that have hurt me greatly.  Jesus is my friend and that is why He is more than just a distant and unknown God to me.