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legendary
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November 03, 2013, 10:20:38 PM
He is offering us eternal life by accepting His free gift.  We are choosing to kill ourselves.  He is not killing us.  There is a difference.  Also, the Bible says that God wants everyone to come to repentance.  He does not want anyone to go to Hell.  We choose to go there.  He cannot force us to choose Him though.  That would go against the free-will He has given us.

So we are the ones killing ourselves.  We are the ones that do not love God.  He loves us but we hate Him when we reject Him.

You posted twice, so I will post my SINCERE reply to both.

So we are the ones killing ourselves.  Your god knows this and yet creates us anyway.

Why does he create us just to drown ourselves later?  Does he get off on our suffering?

Your god does not want anyone to go to hell.  Yet everyday he creates people who WILL go to hell, and he knows they will.

So my question is, why did he create us just to violently kill us later in a big flood?
legendary
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November 03, 2013, 10:15:58 PM
God gave man free-will.  Sin enters the world because of humans choice.  Sin brings sickness, pain, suffering, evil and separation from God.  God, out of love for us, sends Jesus so He can walk with us, understand us and die for our sins.  Man still rejects Him, calls him horrible and unloving. In spite of this, God still cares about us and is willing that ALL come to repentance so He can save us.

I'm going to call BS based on your words bitchick, that he can do anything.  Your god does not love humanity.

A god that creates us and gives us feelings JUST TO kill us later as violently as possible, is not a god that loves us.  It is a god that gets off on our suffering.



He is offering us eternal life by accepting His free gift.  We are choosing to kill ourselves.  He is not killing us.  There is a difference.  Also, the Bible says that God wants everyone to come to repentance.  He does not want anyone to go to Hell.  We choose to go there.  He cannot force us to choose Him though.  That would go against the free-will He has given us.

So we are the ones killing ourselves.  We are the ones that do not love God.  He loves us but we hate Him when we reject Him.
legendary
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November 03, 2013, 10:13:58 PM
Bitchick is contradicting herself in every other post.  It's no wonder she is ignoring my questions.    Wink

Sorry.  Like I said earlier I have hard time getting past your boob-licking picture. Wink

Can you repeat the questions I am ignoring?  I figured most of your comments were just to "put me in my place" and were not really all that sincere.

I will go back and look for your posts though.
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legendary
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November 03, 2013, 10:11:35 PM
Bitchick is contradicting herself in every other post.  It's no wonder she is ignoring my questions.    Wink
legendary
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November 03, 2013, 10:11:29 PM
Why did you have to start this thread? This is causing so many arguments. Haha. I don't believe in god personally. But, I respect others opinions in the matter.

It seems that when an argument gets heated it just proves that I struck a nerve somewhere.  Wink

I like a good debate and I try to see where others are coming from.  But I have to admit that I am very passionate about what I believe and it probably comes across as stubborn and un-accepting of others at times. 
hero member
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November 03, 2013, 10:04:41 PM
Why did you have to start this thread? This is causing so many arguments. Haha. I don't believe in god personally. But, I respect others opinions in the matter.
legendary
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You cannot kill love
November 03, 2013, 10:03:34 PM
As for "downloading" a cure for cancer, I have prayed for someone with stage 4 Lung cancer and they were healed.  I prayed for another person with stage 3 pancreatic cancer and they say they cannot find cancer in his body now.  I believe that God can and still does miracles in our lives.  They seem to happen more when people pray.  Is that just a coincidence or do coincidences happen more often when God is involved?  

Science knows prayer does not work - it has been tested extensively and it's the same as a placebo.

I could make up a similar connection between the Easter bunny and cavities... and there are probably enough ignorant people to believe it and form a system of worship around it, like they did for the bible.  Is it just a coincidence or do coincidences happen more often when the Easter bunny is involved?  
Not true.  Tumor cured in 3 minutes through quantum healing:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B-J7cnUV28Q

It is not that God could not just grow a leg or arm from nowhere if He so chose to do that.

Pretty much the definition of an asshole...

I guess it is more that He appears to work with the natural laws of our world

Yes, almost seems that it doesn't exists...
If you haven't figured it out, you are god (this also means, if you're calling god an asshole, you're calling yourself an asshole).  You must believe your leg will be there.  And if you truly believe it, it will be so.

Nobody in this world has the capability to grow limbs by will power (that I know of), nobody believes in them self that much, it doesn't mean it's not possible.

Pedrog, death isn't bad, when you die it's simply your time to leave earth.
legendary
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November 03, 2013, 09:39:32 PM
God gave man free-will.  Sin enters the world because of humans choice.  Sin brings sickness, pain, suffering, evil and separation from God.  God, out of love for us, sends Jesus so He can walk with us, understand us and die for our sins.  Man still rejects Him, calls him horrible and unloving. In spite of this, God still cares about us and is willing that ALL come to repentance so He can save us.

Yes there are sick kids in the world.  There is unfair things that happen every day.  People do horrible things to each other. There will come a day when all things will be made right though and the sins of the world, and all the crap that Satan (who does not seem to be getting any credit for his part here) will pay for all the pain he has inflicted.  We have a choice though.  We can either be proud and reject God and say He is to blame, or we can come to Him and humbly ask for His help.  It is in the humble submission that He brings peace, joy, hope and wraps His arms around us and we are able to stand with the knowledge that all will be made right in the end.  I don't have to understand it all but I trust Him, like a child trusts a parent, that He will take care of me and to live is Christ but to die is gain.  I do not even have to fear sickness or death. So the sufferings on this earth seem fleeting and short lived.

So many wrongs in your words.

But are willing to say that to child dying with cancer?

"You will die because you are sinner!!!"

Where's the freewill in having cancer?

Why don't your god just kills Satan? He seems to do a lot of killing in the bible, why not one more? Is Satan his protégé?

And making promises for the after life is the ultimate scam!

I would tell a child dying with cancer that there is hope beyond this life and suffering.  That Jesus is crying too and understands him/her and what she is going through and that the child never has to feel alone.

Why doesn't God kill Satan?  Satan will get His due reward in the end.  Satan is a fallen angel.  For whatever reason God allows for Him to torment us and everyone on earth.   Why God does not just put Him in his place right now is one of those questions I don't understand myself.  I know that there was a war in heaven before earth was created.  Some of the angels chose to follow Satan.  That is why there are "fallen angels" and that they are still trying to "get back" at God by afflicting pain and suffering on us and trying to get us to not choose God.  I have often thought that God was lonely.  He created someone like Satan that was a more intelligent creative being then the other angels but then pride made the best of him.  Then God chose to create man.  He gave us a free-will so we could choose him or not.  If God forced us to choose Him, how would he know if we really loved Him or not?  He wants us to love Him out of our own free choice and not be forced to do so.  I suppose you could say it was a great big experiment that we are a part of.  We can accept that God chose for things to be this way or we can be angry with Him, or even say He does not exist.  The choice is ours.

How do you know for sure that the after-life is a scam?  Are you willing to bet your life on that?  Let's say you are wrong then you will approach Heaven and God will say He never knew you.  On the other hand, If you choose to accept God and His gift of eternal life you will be relieved that you made that choice if heaven is real.  If it is not real, then the outcome is the same is it not?  Seems like the logical thing would be to believe and accept.  It is a less risky move.
legendary
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November 03, 2013, 09:11:40 PM
God gave man free-will.  Sin enters the world because of humans choice.  Sin brings sickness, pain, suffering, evil and separation from God.  God, out of love for us, sends Jesus so He can walk with us, understand us and die for our sins.  Man still rejects Him, calls him horrible and unloving. In spite of this, God still cares about us and is willing that ALL come to repentance so He can save us.

Yes there are sick kids in the world.  There is unfair things that happen every day.  People do horrible things to each other. There will come a day when all things will be made right though and the sins of the world, and all the crap that Satan (who does not seem to be getting any credit for his part here) will pay for all the pain he has inflicted.  We have a choice though.  We can either be proud and reject God and say He is to blame, or we can come to Him and humbly ask for His help.  It is in the humble submission that He brings peace, joy, hope and wraps His arms around us and we are able to stand with the knowledge that all will be made right in the end.  I don't have to understand it all but I trust Him, like a child trusts a parent, that He will take care of me and to live is Christ but to die is gain.  I do not even have to fear sickness or death. So the sufferings on this earth seem fleeting and short lived.

So many wrongs in your words.

But are willing to say that to child dying with cancer?

"You will die because you are sinner!!!"

Where's the freewill in having cancer?

Why don't your god just kills Satan? He seems to do a lot of killing in the bible, why not one more? Is Satan his protégé?

And making promises for the after life is the ultimate scam!
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legendary
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November 03, 2013, 08:52:04 PM
God gave man free-will.  Sin enters the world because of humans choice.  Sin brings sickness, pain, suffering, evil and separation from God.  God, out of love for us, sends Jesus so He can walk with us, understand us and die for our sins.  Man still rejects Him, calls him horrible and unloving. In spite of this, God still cares about us and is willing that ALL come to repentance so He can save us.

I'm going to call BS based on your words bitchick, that he can do anything.  Your god does not love humanity.

A god that creates us and gives us feelings JUST TO kill us later as violently as possible, is not a god that loves us.  It is a god that gets off on our suffering.

legendary
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Gresham's Lawyer
November 03, 2013, 08:43:02 PM
I have no problem at all with god.  Its the humans that claim to know things about god that cause the problems.

9-11 is a decent example for USAians, but really there are too many to list.
legendary
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November 03, 2013, 08:38:26 PM
It is not that God could not just grow a leg or arm from nowhere if He so chose to do that.  I guess it is more that He appears to work with the natural laws of our world as much as possible and regardless of how uncomfortable it is to live without an arm or legs or arms and legs like this amazing guy : http://www.lifewithoutlimbs.org/  living without limbs is not something that is deadly.  It seems God intervenes more when the person's life could be lost.  Perhaps He has more for them to accomplish on this earth?  

lol   Roll Eyes   How can you intelligently argue with someone so ignorant about reality?    (hint: you can't)

Humans are figuring out how to do this (rebuild limbs) but followers of god forbid it.
http://stemcells.nih.gov/info/Regenerative_Medicine/Pages/Chapter11.aspx


They have been attacking science since ever, why stop now...


@BitChick

A few words about my previous post:

Have you ever been in a palliative care facility? Or a pediatric palliative care?

If you ever been in one of those places you know there are no gods intervening anywhere...

This may seem an appeal to emotion but it's actually the problem of evil or the problem of suffering, a very old argument against an all powerful, all loving god that theologians and apologetics could never address.

You can have a not so powerful and all loving god or an all powerful sadistic bastard, but you cannot have an all powerful all loving god.

God gave man free-will.  Sin enters the world because of humans choice.  Sin brings sickness, pain, suffering, evil and separation from God.  God, out of love for us, sends Jesus so He can walk with us, understand us and die for our sins.  Man still rejects Him, calls him horrible and unloving. In spite of this, God still cares about us and is willing that ALL come to repentance so He can save us.

Yes there are sick kids in the world.  There is unfair things that happen every day.  People do horrible things to each other. There will come a day when all things will be made right though and the sins of the world, and all the crap that Satan (who does not seem to be getting any credit for his part here) will pay for all the pain he has inflicted.  We have a choice though.  We can either be proud and reject God and say He is to blame, or we can come to Him and humbly ask for His help.  It is in the humble submission that He brings peace, joy, hope and wraps His arms around us and we are able to stand with the knowledge that all will be made right in the end.  I don't have to understand it all but I trust Him, like a child trusts a parent, that He will take care of me and to live is Christ but to die is gain.  I do not even have to fear sickness or death. So the sufferings on this earth seem fleeting and short lived.

legendary
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November 03, 2013, 08:22:41 PM
It is not that God could not just grow a leg or arm from nowhere if He so chose to do that.  I guess it is more that He appears to work with the natural laws of our world as much as possible and regardless of how uncomfortable it is to live without an arm or legs or arms and legs like this amazing guy : http://www.lifewithoutlimbs.org/  living without limbs is not something that is deadly.  It seems God intervenes more when the person's life could be lost.  Perhaps He has more for them to accomplish on this earth?  

lol   Roll Eyes   How can you intelligently argue with someone so ignorant about reality?    (hint: you can't)

Humans are figuring out how to do this (rebuild limbs) but followers of god forbid it.
http://stemcells.nih.gov/info/Regenerative_Medicine/Pages/Chapter11.aspx


They have been attacking science since ever, why stop now...


@BitChick

A few words about my previous post:

Have you ever been in a palliative care facility? Or a pediatric palliative care?

If you ever been in one of those places you know there are no gods intervening anywhere...

This may seem an appeal to emotion but it's actually the problem of evil or the problem of suffering, a very old argument against an all powerful, all loving god that theologians and apologetics could never address.

You can have a not so powerful and all loving god or an all powerful sadistic bastard, but you cannot have an all powerful all loving god.
legendary
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Gresham's Lawyer
November 03, 2013, 08:13:09 PM
It is not that God could not just grow a leg or arm from nowhere if He so chose to do that.  I guess it is more that He appears to work with the natural laws of our world as much as possible and regardless of how uncomfortable it is to live without an arm or legs or arms and legs like this amazing guy : http://www.lifewithoutlimbs.org/  living without limbs is not something that is deadly.  It seems God intervenes more when the person's life could be lost.  Perhaps He has more for them to accomplish on this earth? 

lol   Roll Eyes   How can you intelligently argue with someone so ignorant about reality?    (hint: you can't)

Humans are figuring out how to do this (rebuild limbs) but followers of god forbid it.
http://stemcells.nih.gov/info/Regenerative_Medicine/Pages/Chapter11.aspx
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legendary
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November 03, 2013, 07:27:30 PM
But it's a curious glance into one of these kind of people mind's, I don't know anyone like this in person, if they pray and the person doesn't gets cured it«s god's plan, if the person gets cured they take credit, it's impossible to be wrong.

The "all his plan part" throws away freewill but they claim we have freewill and god gave us that but he has a plan...

It's all contradictory but somehow these people can rationalize all this bullshit...

The nut job claims that her god can do anything.  Therefore he can tell the future, even through free will.

Her god saw the evil that would come onto earth and saw that a great flood, killing everything, would be the best way to deal with it.

So if her god KNEW these people would sin and he would have to murder them all, WHY did he create the people in the first place?  Do his powers come from the suffering of others?  There would be lot of suffering caused by millions of people being drowned by a god.

Worst thing?  She is now brainwashing the next generation.   Undecided
legendary
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November 03, 2013, 07:26:45 PM
 He will sometimes intervene when we pray if it is part of His plan.

If it's all part of a plan there's no point in praying.

I think God knows all things and He knows if we will pray or not, but He wants us to pray.  When it comes to healing it gets really complicated though, even as a Christian.  I do not understand why He heals sometimes and why He does not.  I do know that God is far more concerned with our eternal well being than our physical well being.  He cares about us and how we feel but it is more important that our hearts are in the right place as opposed to being healthy and happy.  

Here is an example:  As a mom it is really tough seeing a doctor give your little baby a vaccination. I remember my daughter actually looking up at me with a look that said, "Why are you letting them do this to me!?"  It is heart wrenching.  But as a mom I know that the shots will actually keep her from becoming sick later and encountering a disease that could harm her.  God will allow things in our life that He knows will shape us and bring us to Him even if that hurts us in the time being.  Sometimes a sickness, abuse or other hardship we endure will cause us to turn to Him.  In the end those things were used for "good" in our lives.  Kind of like a parent watching their child get a shot, perhaps He feels the same way.  He does not like seeing us suffer but allows suffering because He has a bigger plan and purpose.  But there are times He does intervene.  It is not my job to understand but to trust He has a bigger purpose for it all.

Have you ever been in a palliative care facility? Or a pediatric palliative care?

If you ever been in one of those places you know there are no gods intervening anywhere...
legendary
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November 03, 2013, 07:21:36 PM
  He will sometimes intervene when we pray if it is part of His plan.

If it's all part of a plan there's no point in praying.

I think God knows all things and He knows if we will pray or not, but He wants us to pray.  When it comes to healing it gets really complicated though, even as a Christian.  I do not understand why He heals sometimes and why He does not.  I do know that God is far more concerned with our eternal well being than our physical well being.  He cares about us and how we feel but it is more important that our hearts are in the right place as opposed to being healthy and happy.  

Here is an example:  As a mom it is really tough seeing a doctor give your little baby a vaccination. I remember my daughter actually looking up at me with a look that said, "Why are you letting them do this to me!?"  It is heart wrenching.  But as a mom I know that the shots will actually keep her from becoming sick later and encountering a disease that could harm her.  God will allow things in our life that He knows will shape us and bring us to Him even if that hurts us in the time being.  Sometimes a sickness, abuse or other hardship we endure will cause us to turn to Him.  In the end those things were used for "good" in our lives.  Kind of like a parent watching their child get a shot, perhaps He feels the same way.  He does not like seeing us suffer but allows suffering because He has a bigger plan and purpose.  But there are times He does intervene.  It is not my job to understand but to trust He has a bigger purpose for it all.
legendary
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November 03, 2013, 07:20:29 PM
It is not that God could not just grow a leg or arm from nowhere if He so chose to do that.  I guess it is more that He appears to work with the natural laws of our world as much as possible and regardless of how uncomfortable it is to live without an arm or legs or arms and legs like this amazing guy : http://www.lifewithoutlimbs.org/  living without limbs is not something that is deadly.  It seems God intervenes more when the person's life could be lost.  Perhaps He has more for them to accomplish on this earth?  

lol   Roll Eyes   How can you intelligently argue with someone so ignorant about reality?    (hint: you can't)

But it's a curious glance into one of these kind of people mind's, I don't know anyone like this in person, if they pray and the person doesn't gets cured it«s god's plan, if the person gets cured they take credit, it's impossible to be wrong.

The "all his plan part" throws away freewill but they claim we have freewill and god gave us that but he has a plan...

It's all contradictory but somehow these people can rationalize all this bullshit...
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legendary
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Licking my boob since 1970
November 03, 2013, 07:16:33 PM
What if there is one true God?  Jesus says He is the way, the truth and the life and that no one comes to the Father but through Him.  Other paths may seem good, and other paths have some truth to them or people would not follow them.  However, if a path, like Hinduism says all paths are valid, it would be logical to pursue Jesus because it says He is the way.


What if the one true god is not the christian god?  Based on approx 200 gods, you only have a 0.5% chance that your god is the true one, and a 99.5% chance he is not.  A smart person would believe in more than one to cover the spread.

Yes you are a nut job - and the only place you will find acceptance is with other nut jobs.  I suggest all you nut jobs meet weekly (Sunday?) somewhere (church?) and reinforce your brainwashing (chants?) lest you wake up one day and realize what an idiot you are.   Undecided
legendary
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November 03, 2013, 07:12:52 PM
What if it is those that do not believe in God that are the "ignorant" ones?  What if they are living in a cave and seeing shadows but never really seeing reality?

Exactly.  Do you believe the Buddha?  Do you believe in the hundreds of other gods people believe in?  If you don't, are you "ignorant" and living in a cave?  You can't understand that your god is nothing special, he is just one of hundreds people pray to.

The instant you claim that thinking to yourself can cure cancer, you become a nut job along with the rest of the cults out there.  

What if there is one true God?  Jesus says He is the way, the truth and the life and that no one comes to the Father but through Him.  Other paths may seem good, and other paths have some truth to them or people would not follow them.  However, if a path, like Hinduism says all paths are valid, it would be logical to pursue Jesus because it says He is the way.

I am not "thinking to myself" at all when I pray.  I know that Christians say, "It is not a religion but a relationship" but for those of us that know Him this is true to us.

It is fine if you call me a nut job though.  It is an honor to be called that for my faith.  Jesus suffered much worse than that for me.
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