Computer Scientists Prove God Exists - page 23.

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Quote from: BitChick on November 03, 2013, 06:57:49 PM

What if it is those that do not believe in God that are the "ignorant" ones? What if they are living in a cave and seeing shadows but never really seeing reality?

Exactly. Do you believe the Buddha? Do you believe in the hundreds of other gods people believe in? If you don't, are you "ignorant" and living in a cave? You can't understand that your god is nothing special, he is just one of hundreds people pray to.

The instant you claim that thinking to yourself can cure cancer, you become a nut job along with the rest of the cults out there.

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Quote from: BitChick on November 03, 2013, 06:57:49 PM

He will sometimes intervene when we pray if it is part of His plan.

If it's all part of a plan there's no point in praying.

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Quote from: BitChick on November 03, 2013, 06:45:38 PM

It is not that God could not just grow a leg or arm from nowhere if He so chose to do that.

Pretty much the definition of an asshole...

Quote from: BitChick on November 03, 2013, 06:45:38 PM

I guess it is more that He appears to work with the natural laws of our world

Yes, almost seems that it doesn't exists...

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Quote from: Vod on November 03, 2013, 06:48:17 PM

Quote from: BitChick on November 03, 2013, 06:45:38 PM

It is not that God could not just grow a leg or arm from nowhere if He so chose to do that. I guess it is more that He appears to work with the natural laws of our world as much as possible and regardless of how uncomfortable it is to live without an arm or legs or arms and legs like this amazing guy : http://www.lifewithoutlimbs.org/ living without limbs is not something that is deadly. It seems God intervenes more when the person's life could be lost. Perhaps He has more for them to accomplish on this earth?

lol

How can you intelligently argue with someone so ignorant about reality? (hint: you can't)

I am not asking anyone to argue with me. Grin

As for my "ignorance" I guess you could call me "simple." My faith is very simple. God is God, I am not. He can do ALL things. He will sometimes intervene when we pray if it is part of His plan. My goal is to know Him and try to understand His plan. I do this by praying, listening and then obeying.

What if it is those that do not believe in God that are the "ignorant" ones? What if they are living in a cave and seeing shadows but never really seeing reality?

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Quote from: BitChick on November 03, 2013, 06:45:38 PM

It is not that God could not just grow a leg or arm from nowhere if He so chose to do that. I guess it is more that He appears to work with the natural laws of our world as much as possible and regardless of how uncomfortable it is to live without an arm or legs or arms and legs like this amazing guy : http://www.lifewithoutlimbs.org/ living without limbs is not something that is deadly. It seems God intervenes more when the person's life could be lost. Perhaps He has more for them to accomplish on this earth?

lol

How can you intelligently argue with someone so ignorant about reality? (hint: you can't)

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Quote from: pedrog on November 03, 2013, 06:37:05 PM

Quote from: BitChick on November 03, 2013, 06:26:50 PM

Quote from: pedrog on November 03, 2013, 05:49:11 PM

Quote from: hawkeye on November 03, 2013, 01:04:08 PM

Quote from: BitChick on November 03, 2013, 09:44:22 AM

Let's say that each human is like a computer and that God, the creator of all "software" could "download" information or an "update" into each of us when we personally asked Him to. Then we would be able to "know" more things then the person next to us that has not asked for that.

In a way it is like that with spiritual things. 1Corinthians 12:8 "To one there is given through the Spirit a message of wisdom, to another a message of knowledge by means of the same Spirit"

So perhaps our claims of "understanding things" is true?

Of course there are people that are prideful and bragging that they know it all and this is not right as seen in this verse:
1 Corinthians 13:2 If I have the gift of prophecy and can fathom all mysteries and all knowledge, and if I have a faith that can move mountains, but do not have love, I am nothing.

'll give you a 9 out of 10 for creativity.

Unfortunately, in the real world it's a bit too convenient for those who have had the software downloaded to them. Or those who "claim" to have, I should say. Pretty much anyone could make the claim couldn't they and there would be no way to prove them wrong?

Yeah, not so much for creativity, she pretty much described The Matrix...

And why aren't people "downloading" the cure for cancer?

I thought the Matrix had some real truths to it! So does Plato's Allegory of the Cave, which is a similar concept to the matrix.

As for "downloading" a cure for cancer, I have prayed for someone with stage 4 Lung cancer and they were healed. I prayed for another person with stage 3 pancreatic cancer and they say they cannot find cancer in his body now. I believe that God can and still does miracles in our lives. They seem to happen more when people pray. Is that just a coincidence or do coincidences happen more often when God is involved?

Why don't you pray for amputees?

It is not that God could not just grow a leg or arm from nowhere if He so chose to do that. I guess it is more that He appears to work with the natural laws of our world as much as possible and regardless of how uncomfortable it is to live without an arm or legs or arms and legs like this amazing guy : http://www.lifewithoutlimbs.org/ living without limbs is not something that is deadly. It seems God intervenes more when the person's life could be lost. Perhaps He has more for them to accomplish on this earth?

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Quote from: BitChick on November 03, 2013, 06:26:50 PM

Quote from: pedrog on November 03, 2013, 05:49:11 PM

Quote from: hawkeye on November 03, 2013, 01:04:08 PM

Quote from: BitChick on November 03, 2013, 09:44:22 AM

Let's say that each human is like a computer and that God, the creator of all "software" could "download" information or an "update" into each of us when we personally asked Him to. Then we would be able to "know" more things then the person next to us that has not asked for that.

In a way it is like that with spiritual things. 1Corinthians 12:8 "To one there is given through the Spirit a message of wisdom, to another a message of knowledge by means of the same Spirit"

So perhaps our claims of "understanding things" is true?

Of course there are people that are prideful and bragging that they know it all and this is not right as seen in this verse:
1 Corinthians 13:2 If I have the gift of prophecy and can fathom all mysteries and all knowledge, and if I have a faith that can move mountains, but do not have love, I am nothing.

'll give you a 9 out of 10 for creativity.

Unfortunately, in the real world it's a bit too convenient for those who have had the software downloaded to them. Or those who "claim" to have, I should say. Pretty much anyone could make the claim couldn't they and there would be no way to prove them wrong?

Yeah, not so much for creativity, she pretty much described The Matrix...

And why aren't people "downloading" the cure for cancer?

I thought the Matrix had some real truths to it! So does Plato's Allegory of the Cave, which is a similar concept to the matrix.

As for "downloading" a cure for cancer, I have prayed for someone with stage 4 Lung cancer and they were healed. I prayed for another person with stage 3 pancreatic cancer and they say they cannot find cancer in his body now. I believe that God can and still does miracles in our lives. They seem to happen more when people pray. Is that just a coincidence or do coincidences happen more often when God is involved?

Why don't you pray for amputees?

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Quote from: BitChick on November 03, 2013, 06:26:50 PM

As for "downloading" a cure for cancer, I have prayed for someone with stage 4 Lung cancer and they were healed. I prayed for another person with stage 3 pancreatic cancer and they say they cannot find cancer in his body now. I believe that God can and still does miracles in our lives. They seem to happen more when people pray. Is that just a coincidence or do coincidences happen more often when God is involved?

Science knows prayer does not work - it has been tested extensively and it's the same as a placebo.

I could make up a similar connection between the Easter bunny and cavities... and there are probably enough ignorant people to believe it and form a system of worship around it, like they did for the bible. Is it just a coincidence or do coincidences happen more often when the Easter bunny is involved?

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Quote from: pedrog on November 03, 2013, 05:49:11 PM

Quote from: hawkeye on November 03, 2013, 01:04:08 PM

Quote from: BitChick on November 03, 2013, 09:44:22 AM

Let's say that each human is like a computer and that God, the creator of all "software" could "download" information or an "update" into each of us when we personally asked Him to. Then we would be able to "know" more things then the person next to us that has not asked for that.

In a way it is like that with spiritual things. 1Corinthians 12:8 "To one there is given through the Spirit a message of wisdom, to another a message of knowledge by means of the same Spirit"

So perhaps our claims of "understanding things" is true?

Of course there are people that are prideful and bragging that they know it all and this is not right as seen in this verse:
1 Corinthians 13:2 If I have the gift of prophecy and can fathom all mysteries and all knowledge, and if I have a faith that can move mountains, but do not have love, I am nothing.

'll give you a 9 out of 10 for creativity.

Unfortunately, in the real world it's a bit too convenient for those who have had the software downloaded to them. Or those who "claim" to have, I should say. Pretty much anyone could make the claim couldn't they and there would be no way to prove them wrong?

Yeah, not so much for creativity, she pretty much described The Matrix...

And why aren't people "downloading" the cure for cancer?

Quote from: BittBurger on November 03, 2013, 01:55:28 PM

Tell me again how you came into existence from nothing?

Here you go: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument_from_ignorance

Quote from: bitfreak! on November 03, 2013, 02:01:31 PM

Wait a minute, what if I imagine that there is no god in any of the universes, if I can imagine such a thing then it must exist in some sense right.

Lol I don't think a hardfork is going to save us in this situation. But in all seriousness it could mean god is both existent and non-existent at the same time. Quantum superposition.

It's the Schrödinger's god. Cheesy

Because the cure for cancer is in a dank plant. And it's illegal.

Not to mention what BitChick said, you are the cure for cancer. I cured a dog of cancer by believing it was healthy.

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Quote from: pedrog on November 03, 2013, 05:49:11 PM

Quote from: hawkeye on November 03, 2013, 01:04:08 PM

Quote from: BitChick on November 03, 2013, 09:44:22 AM

Let's say that each human is like a computer and that God, the creator of all "software" could "download" information or an "update" into each of us when we personally asked Him to. Then we would be able to "know" more things then the person next to us that has not asked for that.

In a way it is like that with spiritual things. 1Corinthians 12:8 "To one there is given through the Spirit a message of wisdom, to another a message of knowledge by means of the same Spirit"

So perhaps our claims of "understanding things" is true?

Of course there are people that are prideful and bragging that they know it all and this is not right as seen in this verse:
1 Corinthians 13:2 If I have the gift of prophecy and can fathom all mysteries and all knowledge, and if I have a faith that can move mountains, but do not have love, I am nothing.

'll give you a 9 out of 10 for creativity.

Unfortunately, in the real world it's a bit too convenient for those who have had the software downloaded to them. Or those who "claim" to have, I should say. Pretty much anyone could make the claim couldn't they and there would be no way to prove them wrong?

Yeah, not so much for creativity, she pretty much described The Matrix...

And why aren't people "downloading" the cure for cancer?

I thought the Matrix had some real truths to it! So does Plato's Allegory of the Cave, which is a similar concept to the matrix.

As for "downloading" a cure for cancer, I have prayed for someone with stage 4 Lung cancer and they were healed. I prayed for another person with stage 3 pancreatic cancer and they say they cannot find cancer in his body now. I believe that God can and still does miracles in our lives. They seem to happen more when people pray. Is that just a coincidence or do coincidences happen more often when God is involved?

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Quote from: hawkeye on November 03, 2013, 01:04:08 PM

Quote from: BitChick on November 03, 2013, 09:44:22 AM

Let's say that each human is like a computer and that God, the creator of all "software" could "download" information or an "update" into each of us when we personally asked Him to. Then we would be able to "know" more things then the person next to us that has not asked for that.

In a way it is like that with spiritual things. 1Corinthians 12:8 "To one there is given through the Spirit a message of wisdom, to another a message of knowledge by means of the same Spirit"

So perhaps our claims of "understanding things" is true?

Of course there are people that are prideful and bragging that they know it all and this is not right as seen in this verse:
1 Corinthians 13:2 If I have the gift of prophecy and can fathom all mysteries and all knowledge, and if I have a faith that can move mountains, but do not have love, I am nothing.

'll give you a 9 out of 10 for creativity.

Unfortunately, in the real world it's a bit too convenient for those who have had the software downloaded to them. Or those who "claim" to have, I should say. Pretty much anyone could make the claim couldn't they and there would be no way to prove them wrong?

Yeah, not so much for creativity, she pretty much described The Matrix...

And why aren't people "downloading" the cure for cancer?

Quote from: BittBurger on November 03, 2013, 01:55:28 PM

Tell me again how you came into existence from nothing?

Here you go: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument_from_ignorance

Quote from: bitfreak! on November 03, 2013, 02:01:31 PM

Wait a minute, what if I imagine that there is no god in any of the universes, if I can imagine such a thing then it must exist in some sense right.

Lol I don't think a hardfork is going to save us in this situation. But in all seriousness it could mean god is both existent and non-existent at the same time. Quantum superposition.

It's the Schrödinger's god. Cheesy

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Gresham's Lawyer

What god, or belief in god, gets in the way of love?
Followers of god have decreed that we are to only love a single person in our generation. Many have found love in more than one, but their god forbids this, equating it with "coveting" or similar.

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Quote from: bitfreak! on November 03, 2013, 02:01:31 PM

Wait a minute, what if I imagine that there is no god in any of the universes, if I can imagine such a thing then it must exist in some sense right.

Lol I don't think a hardfork is going to save us in this situation. But in all seriousness it could mean god is both existent and non-existent at the same time. Quantum superposition.

Totally agree. I think imagination is purely creative. That's all it ever does. It cannot destroy. And I don't mean that in some heavy mystical sense, it's just logical that the minimum amount is zero. Can we imagine a negative without any positive complement tied to it? I (do + not = zero) think so. Cheesy

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Wait a minute, what if I imagine that there is no god in any of the universes, if I can imagine such a thing then it must exist in some sense right.

Lol I don't think a hardfork is going to save us in this situation. But in all seriousness it could mean god is both existent and non-existent at the same time. Quantum superposition.

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There is no evidence whatsoever, 0, nada, niente, for the existence of something like a god

Look out your window. Evidence is smacking you in the face every second of every day. Proof? None exists. Evidence? Billions and Trillions of pounds of it, slamming down your front door every second of the day. You'd have to be blind, deaf & dumb not to be aware of it, and carrying a monstrous case of denial to ignore everything around you.

Tell me again how you came into existence from nothing?

Plenty of "evidence". Zero proof. Important to draw a distinction and keep the wording accurate.

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Quote from: BitChick on November 03, 2013, 09:44:22 AM

Let's say that each human is like a computer and that God, the creator of all "software" could "download" information or an "update" into each of us when we personally asked Him to. Then we would be able to "know" more things then the person next to us that has not asked for that.

In a way it is like that with spiritual things. 1Corinthians 12:8 "To one there is given through the Spirit a message of wisdom, to another a message of knowledge by means of the same Spirit"

So perhaps our claims of "understanding things" is true?

Of course there are people that are prideful and bragging that they know it all and this is not right as seen in this verse:
1 Corinthians 13:2 If I have the gift of prophecy and can fathom all mysteries and all knowledge, and if I have a faith that can move mountains, but do not have love, I am nothing.

'll give you a 9 out of 10 for creativity.

Unfortunately, in the real world it's a bit too convenient for those who have had the software downloaded to them. Or those who "claim" to have, I should say. Pretty much anyone could make the claim couldn't they and there would be no way to prove them wrong?

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Gresham's Lawyer

Quote from: interlagos on November 03, 2013, 11:08:49 AM

Quote from: NewLiberty on November 03, 2013, 11:05:10 AM

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It's pretty simple when you think (or don't) about it. If you can imagine something, it exists because you have connected to that reality where it does. We are multidimensional beings, thoughts are other dimensions, other realities that we connect to. If you can think of an all powerful conscious being, it surely exists.

What if I imagine a universe that operates according to physical laws without any sort of god or supernatural beings?

Who's imagining (creating) it?

??

He, and now you, and now I, and now the reader of this...all did imagine/contemplate a universe that operates according to physical laws without any sort of god or supernatural beings.
According to your formulations.

So you just demonstated how you and I and others exist prior to any Universe that operates according to physical laws without any sort of God. Congratulations!

Therefore God is a collective of all of us

Do we get a group discount at Tautologies 'R' Us?

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Quote from: interlagos on November 03, 2013, 11:37:22 AM

Another way to think of God is to understand it as a process of resolution of a logical paradox, which arises from the statement "all powerful".

If God is all powerful, then he must be able to create a condition, where it would begin facing limits of its power.

The paradox is then in the fact, that in both cases the statement leads to contradiction.
If God cannot create that condition, then he is not all powerful.
If he can, then he will begin facing limits of its power.

I believe existence is the momentum of this paradox. It was never created, but it can never settle.

That's because the people who invented an "all powerful god" didn't put much thought in it.

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Another way to think of God is to understand it as a process of resolution of a logical paradox, which arises from the statement "all powerful".

If God is all powerful, then he must be able to create a condition, where it would begin facing limits of its power.

The paradox is then in the fact, that in both cases the statement leads to contradiction.
If God cannot create that condition, then he is not all powerful.
If he can, then he will begin facing limits of its power.

I believe existence is the momentum of this paradox. It was never created, but it can never settle.

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Quote from: BitChick on November 03, 2013, 09:44:22 AM

Quote from: luv2drnkbr on November 03, 2013, 12:36:12 AM

Quote from: dank on November 01, 2013, 11:44:26 PM

Think beyond our physical universe. Consciousness has always existed and always will.

This right here is the problem with religious folk. They have no problems making claims that they understand things they simply don't know and even things they *can't* know.

Let's say that each human is like a computer and that God, the creator of all "software" could "download" information or an "update" into each of us when we personally asked Him to. Then we would be able to "know" more things then the person next to us that has not asked for that.

In a way it is like that with spiritual things. 1Corinthians 12:8 "To one there is given through the Spirit a message of wisdom, to another a message of knowledge by means of the same Spirit"

So perhaps our claims of "understanding things" is true?

Of course there are people that are prideful and bragging that they know it all and this is not right as seen in this verse:
1 Corinthians 13:2 If I have the gift of prophecy and can fathom all mysteries and all knowledge, and if I have a faith that can move mountains, but do not have love, I am nothing.

Even though the word "love" is heavily overused and might not be understood properly by many it is indeed a very powerful force of its own and God is in that sense the strongest attractor with the strongest gravity pull.

"What is God" (2:40)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H0oiGak1F_s

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