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newbie
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March 22, 2020, 02:08:31 PM
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simple reason to flatten the curve is because there are not enough intensive care beds to have everyone get it at the same time.
this! +1
why so many people don't understand it?
legendary
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Man who stares at charts (and stars, too...)
March 22, 2020, 01:38:28 PM
The Chinese are Entirely to blame. China delenda est.

This kind of thinking gets us into war. Something that would kill orders of magnitude more people than this virus.

Exactly. Don't try to explain to these type of folks, they won't and don't want to understand.
Now, remember we all learned in school how the big wars started. SMH
legendary
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yes
March 22, 2020, 12:55:07 PM
The Chinese are Entirely to blame. China delenda est.

This kind of thinking gets us into war. Something that would kill orders of magnitude more people than this virus.
member
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March 22, 2020, 08:58:13 AM
hero member
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Homo Sapiens Bitcoinerthalensis
March 22, 2020, 08:37:42 AM
They are not. They are just sad displays of failed individuals, now grasping for attention with nonsense.

I think I can relate to that.
But please don't be so harsh, I'm still trying for the best.
legendary
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March 22, 2020, 08:03:41 AM
pseudo-science
Lot of people using this word lately. I think they can be safely ignored. It's just a way to dismiss anything you don't like.
If you do not know what pseudo-science is, then I am not surprised by anything. What is next, reptilians ordered Bill Gates to create the virus?  Roll Eyes Alex Jones got nothing on you folk.

On top of that, anyone who questions the mainstream narative is automatically some sort of a traitor to their country or whatever.
Gun laws anyone?

To be fair, most of the participants on this form are not really early adopters and there are few old-timers around any more so maybe I should expect a different mindset.  Whatever the case it is good information to know that what qualifies as a Bitcoin enthusiast today is very likely to be totally subservient to the corp/gov mainstream and should not be relied upon to provide any meaningful resistance at all as we are rolled into the new technocratic economic model and societal frameworks.
They are not. They are just sad displays of failed individuals, now grasping for attention with nonsense.
sr. member
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Pro financial, medical liberty
March 22, 2020, 07:54:28 AM
Coronavirus, rich peoples virus

CountryCasesPopulationCases/Pop*100000
Uganda145 334 2850,002
Nepal128 988 6370,003
Niger123 949 0280,004
Sudan243 556 4860,005
Angola232 569 0080,006
Chad116 289 5280,006
Somalia115 765 1840,006
Ethiopia9114 146 7860,008
Bangladesh24164 233 2300,015
Nigeria22204 674 0600,011
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Norway22195 409 50941,020
Monaco1839 16545,959
Spain2857246 749 84361,117
Switzerland68638 637 12479,459
Italy5357860 485 95788,579
Liechtenstein3738 09897,118
Luxembourg670623 109107,525
Andorra8877 231113,944
Vatican City1800125,000
Iceland568340 632166,749
San Marino16033 911471,823


In Brazil, importers of the virus include several social media influencers and members of a government delegation that met with President Trump on March 7 at his Mar-a-Lago resort in Florida.
Several of Mexico’s most prominent business leaders — including a banking executive, the chairman of Mexico’s stock exchange and the chief executive of the company that makes Jose Cuervo tequila — tested positive for the virus after traveling to Vail, a ski resort west of Denver.
In Panama, where 137 people have tested positive, those infected include people who had recently traveled to Italy, France or New York.
legendary
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March 22, 2020, 07:34:25 AM
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2. postal/mail people dont actually knock on peoples doors to hand the mail across.. instead there is this little thing called a mail box. yea its a new invention (only been around for over a century, so you might not have known about it)
 yep your spouting fiction that postmen are demanding to come into contact with mail recipients and demanding to report it if mail recipients decline such contact.
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You probably don't have much experience with business stuff, but there is this little thing called 'return receipt' which is used for important legal papers and notifications.  It serves as legal proof that the recipient actually got a piece of mail.  Look it up.

maybe you need to take a few lessons into how the real world works
your turning how a standard process that has standard policies for how to handle packages where the recipient is not available to sign. and blowing it all up into a thing to sound like some marshal law reporting surveilance thing requiring military intervention to force a person to accept a package.

here is some real world info
delivery companies can put the item on the doorstep. knock on the door  and take a couple steps back. and if there is an answer. mark it as received
they can also put a note saying 'sorry your not home' please call this number to rearrange a later delivery'

so chill out with the myths that those who refuse get 'reported'

again the mail system has been around for over a century. they dont need special briefings about new ways to handle post that needs to be signed for.

as for important legal documents. thats not the usual 'mail' company. thats more so special court assigned servers. who go around saying 'you been served' and then take a picture of it on their smart phones.
after all if you wanted to get out of court by pretending you did not get served. you would refuse to sign any crappy piece of paper. so guess what. they know people refuse to sign. so they dont require it. instead they use other means of proof. or trust of the delivery guy to just do his job

I suggested 'look it up'.  Not guesstimate about things which you don't know.  Unless you want to continue to look like a jack-ass of course.

Here, I'll even throw you a bone although I doubt that you are now or ever will be in a position to actually own property and what-not.

legendary
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March 22, 2020, 07:25:29 AM
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2. postal/mail people dont actually knock on peoples doors to hand the mail across.. instead there is this little thing called a mail box. yea its a new invention (only been around for over a century, so you might not have known about it)
 yep your spouting fiction that postmen are demanding to come into contact with mail recipients and demanding to report it if mail recipients decline such contact.
...

You probably don't have much experience with business stuff, but there is this little thing called 'return receipt' which is used for important legal papers and notifications.  It serves as legal proof that the recipient actually got a piece of mail.  Look it up.

maybe you need to take a few lessons into how the real world works
your turning how a standard process that has standard policies for how to handle packages where the recipient is not available to sign. and blowing it all up into a thing to sound like some marshal law reporting surveilance thing requiring military intervention to force a person to accept a package.

here is some real world info
delivery companies can put the item on the doorstep. knock on the door  and take a couple steps back. and if there is an answer. mark it as received
they can also put a note saying 'sorry your not home' please call this number to rearrange a later delivery'

so chill out with the myths that those who refuse get 'reported'

again the mail system has been around for over a century. they dont need special briefings about new ways to handle post that needs to be signed for.

as for important legal documents. thats not the usual 'mail' company. thats more so special court assigned servers. who go around saying 'you been served' and then take a picture of it on their smart phones.
after all if you wanted to get out of court by pretending you did not get served. you would refuse to sign any crappy piece of paper. so guess what. they know people refuse to sign. so they dont require it. instead they use other means of proof. or trust of the delivery guy to just do his job
legendary
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March 22, 2020, 07:03:30 AM
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2. postal/mail people dont actually knock on peoples doors to hand the mail across.. instead there is this little thing called a mail box. yea its a new invention (only been around for over a century, so you might not have known about it)
 yep your spouting fiction that postmen are demanding to come into contact with mail recipients and demanding to report it if mail recipients decline such contact.
...

You probably don't have much experience with business stuff, but there is this little thing called 'return receipt' which is used for important legal papers and notifications.  It serves as legal proof that the recipient actually got a piece of mail.  Look it up.

legendary
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March 22, 2020, 06:07:20 AM

How could it be useful to confine a large percentage of people to their homes.  Especially middle-age and older persons who are responsible and unlikely to break curfew and go out partying?  The official reason is to slow the spread of SARS-cov-2 infection and 'flatten the curve' to use talking point jargon.  But could there be other reasons?

I just heard a story about postal workers being assembled to have a special briefing.  In this briefing the workers where specifically instructed to report on anyone who refused to accept their mail.  That is interesting.

1. simple reason to flatten the curve is because there are not enough intensive care beds to have everyone get it at the same time.
take wuhan stats and use it against for instance UK numbers
W: 11m pop.. ~100k infected ~ couple thousand died (could have been worse if they didnt build hospitals)
UK 65m pop.. so 650k infected and predict that 40,000 could die
the UK only has enough ventilators/intensive care beds and respiratory trained medical staff for ~8000. so the UK wants to see ~5 curves of demand rather than 1 mountain

2. postal/mail people dont actually knock on peoples doors to hand the mail across.. instead there is this little thing called a mail box. yea its a new invention (only been around for over a century, so you might not have known about it)
 yep your spouting fiction that postmen are demanding to come into contact with mail recipients and demanding to report it if mail recipients decline such contact.

seriously. stop spreading myths
as for the financial stuff.. yes we would have gone into a financial crises even without corona. due to the pensions deficit from the 'boombers'.. but that does not mean when a new separate crisis appears that it must be some plot to hide a first crisis
legendary
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March 22, 2020, 05:20:42 AM
pseudo-science
Lot of people using this word lately. I think they can be safely ignored. It's just a way to dismiss anything you don't like.
legendary
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March 22, 2020, 04:34:04 AM
A bit disappointing that so many Bitcoiners fall for random pseudo-science conspiracy bullshit. Just remember when the next time you tell somebody that they are a sheep for not using Bitcoin or hating banks, look in the mirror first.  Undecided

I find it hard to believe that people who were such 'paranoid conspiracy theorist' that they would use Bitcoin in the first place are so in love with Big Brother that they eat up every mainstream narative with basically zero meaningful evidence Him most of the time.  On top of that, anyone who questions the mainstream narative is automatically some sort of a traitor to their country or whatever.

To be fair, most of the participants on this form are not really early adopters and there are few old-timers around any more so maybe I should expect a different mindset.  Whatever the case it is good information to know that what qualifies as a Bitcoin enthusiast today is very likely to be totally subservient to the corp/gov mainstream and should not be relied upon to provide any meaningful resistance at all as we are rolled into the new technocratic economic model and societal frameworks.

Of course this forum does have a contingent of people who are here because they hate and feel threatened by Bitcoin and seek to damage it.  Others are monitoring it to understand and exploit the weakness of the system (and the community who uses it.)  I can only imagine how delighted they are to see so many highly conditioned boot-lickers who would seemingly fight to the death for the honor of the likes of Bill Gates and Merck.

legendary
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March 22, 2020, 03:52:28 AM
A bit disappointing that so many Bitcoiners fall for random pseudo-science conspiracy bullshit. Just remember when the next time you tell somebody that they are a sheep for not using Bitcoin or hating banks, look in the mirror first.  Undecided
legendary
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March 22, 2020, 01:08:08 AM

You just aren't paying attention. TS's article referenced that study as "proof" that an airborne transmissable virus can be created in a lab without using genetic engineering. Meanwhile the study DID use genetic engineering -- that part was just left out of the article.

Wrong again Bob.

If you can point that out in TS's material please do, but in fact you used a very simple logical fallicy to assert that a study 'proved' no mutagenesis.  That failure is as clear as a bell.


The other part of what you said makes no sense at all. You continue to inject pseudoscience and pseudologic into the debate, complicating things for no rational reason. Which is why I'm putting you back on ignore.

There is no 'pseudoscience' about people using natural selection to achieve a desired goal be it a bigger potato or a more useful pathogen.

Someone who simply cannot accept the idea that this could have been part of what happened to make covid-19 what it is is very ill prepared to employ any analysis on the subject at all.  That would be you.

legendary
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March 22, 2020, 12:18:54 AM
It is a fact, purposely infecting test animals and selecting for the most virulent mutations would be INDISTINGUISHABLE from natural mutation, because it is nothing more than accelerating a natural process and selecting for desirable traits.

From the abstract cited in your article:

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...We genetically modified A/H5N1 virus by site-directed mutagenesis and subsequent serial passage in ferrets. The genetically modified A/H5N1 virus acquired mutations during passage in ferrets, ultimately becoming airborne transmissible in ferrets.

"Site-directed mutagenesis" is NOT a natural process. Convenient how they left that tidbit out.

https://international.neb.com/applications/cloning-and-synthetic-biology/site-directed-mutagenesis
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SDM is an in vitro procedure that uses custom designed oligonucleotide primers to confer a desired mutation in a double-stranded DNA plasmid.

Logical fallacy alert:

 - oligonucleotied primers is a method of inducing mutagensis

 - no sign of oligonucleotide primers

 - therefore, no mutagensis

There is no evidence that this has been excluded as a possibility, and any claims otherwise are assumptions, not based on observable empirical data.

You really don't understand concepts of proof and evidence. The burden of proof is on you to prove that the virus was created in a lab. It's not anybody's job to prove that its not. Just flinging improbabilities out there and then saying they are likely is nothing but you propelling baseless conspiracy theories.

If thing A is in common use and is a million times more probable than thing B, the burden is kind of on thing B to prove that that is what happened.

That is especially the case when thing B is actively and strenuously promoted by groups associated with thing A should thing A be what actually happened.

You just aren't paying attention. TS's article referenced that study as "proof" that an airborne transmissable virus can be created in a lab without using genetic engineering. Meanwhile the study DID use genetic engineering -- that part was just left out of the article.

The other part of what you said makes no sense at all. You continue to inject pseudoscience and pseudologic into the debate, complicating things for no rational reason. Which is why I'm putting you back on ignore.
legendary
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March 22, 2020, 12:10:56 AM
It is a fact, purposely infecting test animals and selecting for the most virulent mutations would be INDISTINGUISHABLE from natural mutation, because it is nothing more than accelerating a natural process and selecting for desirable traits.

From the abstract cited in your article:

Quote
...We genetically modified A/H5N1 virus by site-directed mutagenesis and subsequent serial passage in ferrets. The genetically modified A/H5N1 virus acquired mutations during passage in ferrets, ultimately becoming airborne transmissible in ferrets.

"Site-directed mutagenesis" is NOT a natural process. Convenient how they left that tidbit out.

https://international.neb.com/applications/cloning-and-synthetic-biology/site-directed-mutagenesis
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SDM is an in vitro procedure that uses custom designed oligonucleotide primers to confer a desired mutation in a double-stranded DNA plasmid.

Logical fallacy alert:

 - oligonucleotied primers is a method of inducing mutagensis

 - no sign of oligonucleotide primers

 - therefore, no mutagensis

There is no evidence that this has been excluded as a possibility, and any claims otherwise are assumptions, not based on observable empirical data.

You really don't understand concepts of proof and evidence. The burden of proof is on you to prove that the virus was created in a lab. It's not anybody's job to prove that its not. Just flinging improbabilities out there and then saying they are likely is nothing but you propelling baseless conspiracy theories.

If thing A is in common use and is a million times more probable than thing B, the burden is kind of on thing B to prove that that is what happened.

That is especially the case when thing B is actively and strenuously promoted by groups associated with thing A should thing A be what actually happened.

legendary
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March 21, 2020, 11:51:20 PM

How could it be useful to confine a large percentage of people to their homes.  Especially middle-age and older persons who are responsible and unlikely to break curfew and go out partying?  The official reason is to slow the spread of SARS-cov-2 infection and 'flatten the curve' to use talking point jargon.  But could there be other reasons?

I just heard a story about postal workers being assembled to have a special briefing.  In this briefing the workers where specifically instructed to report on anyone who refused to accept their mail.  That is interesting.

Because people are conditioned not to think about it, most people don't consider how the loans to the U.S. by the privately held central bank work.  When they do, they usually assume that the 'collateral' for these loans (of 'money' created out of thin air) is 'tax claims on future generations.'

I personally have always kind of doubted that the 'collateral' on the issued debt is quite so nebulous.  I've for a while suspected that the collateral is claims on various value in the nation itself.  National forests, monuments, mineral reserves, and what not.  For the last half decade I have wondered if it is possible that it is also what most land owners think it 'privately held' land titles as well.

What if people are about to be served legal notices that, due to this covid-19 emergency which requires all of our collective actions and sacrifices to manage, the title of lands are going to need to be 'modernized'.

legendary
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https://bpip.org
March 21, 2020, 11:42:01 PM
'red or white caption, which is true?'

It's poorly worded but both can be technically true. Supermarkets stock their shelves as usual and perhaps more than usual, it's just that people buy A LOT more mainly due to being unmitigated lemmings, not because there is an actual shortage of most products, particularly food - we didn't start eating more, did we?

Stuff like hand sanitizer might have real shortages due to obviously increased consumption but that's not "food".
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March 21, 2020, 11:29:54 PM
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