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legendary
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March 10, 2020, 11:29:24 AM
That solves it everyone. Science is wrong, Franky1 is right. There certainly is no incentive for the medical industry to sell everyone expensive pharmaceuticals when simple natural and unpatentable treatments are available right? I mean just look at marijuana, the government says it has zero medical value, and they would never lie to you right?

the way you word it is as if vitamin C prevents the flu
sorry it does not
the study which was stated had nothing to do with people who never got the flu
the study was about people who had the flu AND THEN given vit C to see how it reduced the severity of symptoms

you are the one that tried to highlight a small extract that said it reduced or prevent symptoms
and then you went on some campaign to make it sound like vit C prevents the flu

you wanted to emphasise 'prevent' and then you assumed it ment prevent flu
but the real emphasis is reduce symptoms. double emphasis on symptoms

one more time
reduce the symptoms
is no where near the same as
prevent the virus
prevent the flu
cure the flu

and also vitamin C does not store in the body.
so its not like if you dose up on it a week before a local outbreak of the flu. it will act as a shield to prevent you getting the flu for a month

i said it a few times before so lets make it clear
if you have the flu taking vitamin C can help boost your system to not feel as unwell as possible
but dont expect to feel 100%
it can help but it aint a cure/preventative method of the flu
its just a support aid to reduce the risk/harm/severity

same goes for water
drinking 10litres a week before the flu wont help much when you get the flu. it wont cure or prevent it.
however once yo have the flu. and yes everyone will get it.
however one you get it staying hydrated while you have it will help give you a boost so that you dont feel as sluggish as some people with more severe symptoms who dont hydrate

it all about perspective
and also marijuana has positive AND negative health concerns
and no cannabis does not cure cancer
it can though help you be more relaxed and less stressed when getting other treatment

lets word it this way. if you have toothpain and need a tooth extraction. and given pain relief. the pain releaf is not the cure of whats happening in your mouth. keeping the tooth in an just taking pain killers just hides the symptoms but doesnt mean the rotton tooth just goes away. you still need it extracted.
however by not extrating it yo could then just become dependant on painkillers and then start having other mouth issues like ulcers and gum rot and other things.
so even if not inpain our not curing the problem in your mouth.
and thats the issue with trying to think these symptom aids are cures. they are not. they just make the symptoms less recognisable/severe but they dont solve the underlying cause.

so please atleast grow some morals and stop trying to promote vit C as if it will prevent someone getting a virus.. or what you will get is people walking round with oranges selotaped to their mouth thinking they are immortal from the flu.... but then get it anyway

pain killers reduce or prevent toothdecay pain
does not mean painkillers prevent tooth decay
does not mean you will be 100% painless.
does not mean 1 pill will shield you of all pain forever

do you understand yet?

Actually, it is you who doesn't understand yet [Why do I even suggest the possibility of change by using the word "yet"?].

Linus Pauling and his researchers found out years ago that vitamin C + L-lysine + L-proline cures heart disease... heart disease, often considered the #2 killer.

Why does this work? Because Pauling found that all heart disease really is, is a form of scurvy. And most people know from the severe scurvy in sailors who didn't get enough fresh fruit years ago, these bad cases of scurvy were cured by eating a lot of oranges.

Check it out - https://jeffreydachmd.com/heart-disease-vitamin-c-and-linus-pauling2/. Then Net search on "Linus Pauling heart disease cure."

Cool
legendary
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March 10, 2020, 11:22:36 AM
the way you word it is as if vitamin C prevents the flu
sorry it does not
the study which was stated had nothing to do with people who never got the flu
the study was about people who had the flu AND THEN given vit C to see how it reduced the severity of symptoms

you are the one that tried to highlight a small extract that said it reduced or prevent symptoms
and then you went on some campaign to make it sound like vit C prevents the flu

you wanted to emphasise 'prevent' and then you assumed it ment prevent flu
but the real emphasis is reduce symptoms. double emphasis on symptoms...



Jesus H. Christ you love sucking yourself off. I know reading comprehension and word definitions are not your thing, but this is getting pathetic.


"Definition of prevention

: the act of preventing or hindering"


"RESULTS:

Overall, reported flu and cold symptoms in the test group decreased 85% compared with the control group after the administration of megadose Vitamin C.

CONCLUSION:

Vitamin C in megadoses administered before or after the appearance of cold and flu symptoms relieved and prevented the symptoms in the test population compared with the control group."

Do yourself a favor and just shut up already.
sr. member
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March 10, 2020, 08:08:52 AM
That solves it everyone. Science is wrong, Franky1 is right. There certainly is no incentive for the medical industry to sell everyone expensive pharmaceuticals when simple natural and unpatentable treatments are available right? I mean just look at marijuana, the government says it has zero medical value, and they would never lie to you right?

 vitamin C prevents the flu
...............

That is in the same pot as vaccine, over-unity devices and other such fallacy's.
No matter what, over 100% want be archived, health or otherwise. All what is happening the lever is shifted, like daylight saving, more here take away the other side.
Building a gaming character and have 100 points available, spent one on vaccine leaves 99 for the rest. It may or may not helps with defense against the flu, but people with flu vaccine may increase the risk of other respiratory viruses, called virus interference.
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Vaccine derived virus interference was significantly associated with coronavirus and human metapneumovirus
No amount of Vitamin C or vaccines will make a "superman".

Anyone can choose what ever medicine the fancy. In the unlike event i need some with viruses infection i will demand the best and that is a mega dose of antioxidants , (4,000 to 16,000 mg by IV) Vitamine C is one of the best naturally.

Less than 100mg of Vitamin C is needed daily, easy archived with proper nutrition (Dr. Luc Montagnier the discoverer of HIV).
Orange with about 3 inch diameter is ~ 100 milligrams
Strawberries, one serving (147 grams) has 86.5 milligrams of vitamin C, and slows cognitive degeneration.
One small head of cauliflower (with a four-inch diameter) has 127.7 milligrams of vitamin C
One serving (148 grams) of chopped broccoli adds up to 132 milligrams of vitamin C.
One serving of kiwi offers 137.2 milligrams of vitamin C.
A cup of mashed papaya has a whopping 140 milligrams.
Kale, two cups of this veggie, chopped, offers 160.8 milligrams of vitamin C.
Red Bell Peppers, one cup of raw, chopped red bell pepper packs an impressive 190.3 milligrams of vitamin C. Green pepper has 119.8 milligrams.
Yellow bell pepper/capsicum    183mg per 100g
Blackcurrant    200 mg per 100g
Seabuckthorn    695 mg per 100g
Acerola    1677  per 100g
Kakadu plum    1000–5300mg   Terminalia ferdinandiana, the world's highest source of Vitamin C.


Edit:
A 60 Minutes report, the story should be told to everyone on the planet.
Vitamin C: The Miracle Swine Flu Cure "Living Proof"
legendary
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March 10, 2020, 06:05:01 AM
That solves it everyone. Science is wrong, Franky1 is right. There certainly is no incentive for the medical industry to sell everyone expensive pharmaceuticals when simple natural and unpatentable treatments are available right? I mean just look at marijuana, the government says it has zero medical value, and they would never lie to you right?

the way you word it is as if vitamin C prevents the flu
sorry it does not
the study which was stated had nothing to do with people who never got the flu
the study was about people who had the flu AND THEN given vit C to see how it reduced the severity of symptoms

you are the one that tried to highlight a small extract that said it reduced or prevent symptoms
and then you went on some campaign to make it sound like vit C prevents the flu

you wanted to emphasise 'prevent' and then you assumed it ment prevent flu
but the real emphasis is reduce symptoms. double emphasis on symptoms

one more time
reduce the symptoms
is no where near the same as
prevent the virus
prevent the flu
cure the flu

and also vitamin C does not store in the body.
so its not like if you dose up on it a week before a local outbreak of the flu. it will act as a shield to prevent you getting the flu for a month

i said it a few times before so lets make it clear
if you have the flu taking vitamin C can help boost your system to not feel as unwell as possible
but dont expect to feel 100%
it can help but it aint a cure/preventative method of the flu
its just a support aid to reduce the risk/harm/severity

same goes for water
drinking 10litres a week before the flu wont help much when you get the flu. it wont cure or prevent it.
however once yo have the flu. and yes everyone will get it.
however one you get it staying hydrated while you have it will help give you a boost so that you dont feel as sluggish as some people with more severe symptoms who dont hydrate

it all about perspective
and also marijuana has positive AND negative health concerns
and no cannabis does not cure cancer
it can though help you be more relaxed and less stressed when getting other treatment

lets word it this way. if you have toothpain and need a tooth extraction. and given pain relief. the pain releaf is not the cure of whats happening in your mouth. keeping the tooth in an just taking pain killers just hides the symptoms but doesnt mean the rotton tooth just goes away. you still need it extracted.
however by not extrating it yo could then just become dependant on painkillers and then start having other mouth issues like ulcers and gum rot and other things.
so even if not inpain our not curing the problem in your mouth.
and thats the issue with trying to think these symptom aids are cures. they are not. they just make the symptoms less recognisable/severe but they dont solve the underlying cause.

so please atleast grow some morals and stop trying to promote vit C as if it will prevent someone getting a virus.. or what you will get is people walking round with oranges selotaped to their mouth thinking they are immortal from the flu.... but then get it anyway

pain killers reduce or prevent toothdecay pain
does not mean painkillers prevent tooth decay
does not mean you will be 100% painless.
does not mean 1 pill will shield you of all pain forever

do you understand yet?
legendary
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March 10, 2020, 03:44:40 AM
That solves it everyone. Science is wrong,

How often do you order 'supplements' from sites like infowars or naturalnews?

How often do you use non-sequitur personal attacks when you make yourself look like an ass by arguing against established science because you were intent on parroting some digital rag in order to confirm your bias?
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March 10, 2020, 03:40:22 AM
Because of this, my coworkers and I left work early today and will be working from home until further notice.

Noice.
legendary
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March 10, 2020, 03:10:57 AM
That solves it everyone. Science is wrong,

How often do you order 'supplements' from sites like infowars or naturalnews?
legendary
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March 10, 2020, 02:42:51 AM
and the real funny think about certain people trying to be vitamin C ambassadors..
you can spot when they step over the line of trying to har to push something as a medical miracle cure

but here is a wake up call:
its does not prevent the flu

it alleviates the symptoms
there is a difference

plus. vitamin C does not prevent pneumonia. otherwise doctors would be telling people with pneumonia to just go home with a glass of orange juice and they will be ok in the morning..
.. yet.. instead people still die from it

because
vitamin C doesnt cure things or prevent things. it just alleviates the symptoms

if orange juice was such a miracle cure. then people would be forming black markets to sell orange juice at stupidly high prices.. not face masks

That solves it everyone. Science is wrong, Franky1 is right. There certainly is no incentive for the medical industry to sell everyone expensive pharmaceuticals when simple natural and unpatentable treatments are available right? I mean just look at marijuana, the government says it has zero medical value, and they would never lie to you right?
legendary
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March 10, 2020, 02:00:10 AM
and the real funny think about certain people trying to be vitamin C ambassadors..
you can spot when they step over the line of trying to har to push something as a medical miracle cure

but here is a wake up call:
its does not prevent the flu

it alleviates the symptoms
there is a difference

plus. vitamin C does not prevent pneumonia. otherwise doctors would be telling people with pneumonia to just go home with a glass of orange juice and they will be ok in the morning..
.. yet.. instead people still die from it

because
vitamin C doesnt cure things or prevent things. it just alleviates the symptoms

if orange juice was such a miracle cure. then people would be forming black markets to sell orange juice at stupidly high prices.. not face masks
sr. member
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March 10, 2020, 12:56:40 AM
SARS-CoV-2 virus, about 70 countries have not reported any infections
Of the Infected 65 Countries have no death or recovery reported
26 have no reported deaths
5 have more deaths as recovered
* Health expenditure of GDP in 2016.  The winner was Monaco with 1.75%
# Lets give some credit and assume some partially recovered to get past div 0

-------------DeathsRec.Death/Rec.GDP *
Singapore0780,00%4,47%
Malaysia0240,00%3,80%
Vietnam0160,00%5,66%
Bahrain0140,00%4,87%
Macau0100,00%4,98%
UAE070,00%3,52%
India030,00%3,66%
Romania030,00%4,98%
Russia030,00%5,27%
Oman020,00%4,29%
Israel020,00%7,31%
Austria020,00%10,44%
Pakistan010,00%2,75%
Sri Lanka010,00%3,89%
Kuwait010,00%3,90%
Mexico010,00%5,47%
Senegal010,00%5,51%
Cambodia010,00%6,08%
Nepal010,00%6,29%
Belarus010,00%6,32%
Lebanon010,00%8,02%
Finland010,00%9,49%
Belgium010,00%10,04%
Denmark010,00%10,35%
Norway010,00%10,50%
Sweden010,00%10,93%
Thailand1313,23%3,71%
Hong Kong3605,00%6,20%
China3136598895,24%4,98%
Taiwan1156,67%6,20%
Egypt1128,33%4,64%
Japan91018,91%10,93%
Iran23723949,90%8,10%
Germany21811,11%11,14%
Canada1812,50%10,53%
Diamond P.64015,00%-
Australia42119,05%9,25%
S.Korea5424721,86%7,34%
UK41822,22%9,76%
Italy46372463,95%8,94%
Iraq6966,67%3,31
Switzerland2366,67%12,25%
Spain283287,50%8,97%
Philippines11100,00%4,39%
France1912158,33%11,54%
US268325,00%17,07%
San Marino10,1#1000,00%6,40%
Argentina10,1#1000,00%7,55%
Netherlands30,1#3000,00%10,36%
newbie
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March 10, 2020, 12:25:12 AM

Why don't you just say that you want proof that it was CV and not something else? Real proof, and not a bunch of media reporting what might be fake news, over and over and over.

Cool

Agree. There's not only Corona flu, at least must be some flues go with. At current time, we hard to determine which the flu is.


Would Dr. Luc Montagnier (the discoverer) of HIV, know a thing or two about viruses.
https://youtu.be/XSSpoFq7uhM?t=16
Vitamin C is one the most powerful antioxidants in nature.


That's right. And people should to drink sour fruit juice such as orange, lemon juice,... add vita. C into their blood.
sr. member
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March 09, 2020, 10:57:20 PM

Would Dr. Luc Montagnier (the discoverer) of HIV, know a thing or two about viruses.
https://youtu.be/XSSpoFq7uhM?t=16
Vitamin C is one the most powerful antioxidants in nature.

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March 09, 2020, 09:38:53 PM
Looks like Italy is feeling the most pain right now.  Their first reported case was 16 days ago, yesterday they reported 1,492 new cases and 133 new deaths and decided to basically lock down half the country and impose restrictions on the rest.

All of Italy:
  • As in the north of the country, cinemas, theaters, museums, pubs, game rooms, dance schools, discos and other similar places will be closed
  • Sports competitions are suspended with some exceptions
Northern Italy
  • Travel in and out of the area, as well as within the area, will only be possible in response to "duly verified professional requirements, emergency situations, or for health reasons"
  • People with symptoms of respiratory disease and fever of 37.5 Celsius or above are strongly encouraged to stay at home and limit social contact as much as possible, and contact their doctor
  • Avoid gathering
  • All schools and universities must be closed
  • All museums and places of culture will be closed
  • All cultural, religious or festive events are suspended
  • Cinemas, pubs, theaters, dance schools, game rooms, casinos, nightclubs and other similar places shall remain closed
  • All sporting events and competitions are suspended
  • Ski resorts are closed until further notice
  • Swimming pools, sports halls, thermal baths, cultural centers and wellness centers must suspend their activities
  • Bars and restaurants can remain open from 8 a.m. to 6 p.m. provided they respect the safety distance of at least 1 meter between customers - this provision also concerns other commercial activities
  • Shopping centers and department stores must remain closed on public holidays and the days preceding them
  • Places of worship remain open, provided that the safety distance of at least 1 meter is respected, but religious ceremonies (marriage, baptism) are prohibited until further notice


https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/


Just changed it to the entire country:



ALL OF ITALY NOW IN EMERGENCY LOCKDOWN source

  • Strict quarantine measures extended to all regions
  • Public told to stay home
  • Schools closed until April 3rd
  • No travel unless with a valid work or family reason
  • All public gatherings and sports events suspended
legendary
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March 09, 2020, 07:57:24 PM
Yeah.  Vitamins are good for you.  Not bad.  

The guy we were discussing, and that now seem to be defending, claimed: "The coronavirus pandemic can be dramatically slowed, or stopped completely, with the immediate widespread use of high doses of vitamin C.".

He created that narrative.
Then he wrote a bunch of press statements to commentate on his own statement.
Go click around a couple of the articles.  Should only take a couple clicks before you realize you're looking at one giant ad.
[img ]https://i.snipboard.io/IQh2lo.jpg[/img]

No, that is the guy YOU are discussing. I am discussing an actual scientific study. Just move along Captain Semantics.


More on the OP:

"Coronavirus can travel twice as far as official ‘safe distance’ and stay in air for 30 minutes, Chinese study finds"

https://www.scmp.com/news/china/science/article/3074351/coronavirus-can-travel-twice-far-official-safe-distance-and-stay


"Coronavirus ‘highly sensitive’ to high temperatures, but don’t bank on summer killing it off, studies say"

https://www.scmp.com/news/china/science/article/3074131/coronavirus-highly-sensitive-high-temperatures-dont-bank-summer
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March 09, 2020, 07:46:15 PM
It doesn't explicitly say orally in the abstract, I made an assumption based on what was included in the abstract.

Unless we have access to the actual study, all we can do is make assumptions based on the abstract...right?  You really shouldn't play the 'he made an assumption therefore he is wrong' card if you are using only the abstract of a study to make a point.

Assumptions? Very scientific. Or we could, you know not make assumptions just because they serve your little semantic distinction, we could also do that. I will take my study abstract over your bullshit articles, thanks. FYI, there are lots of studies on vitamin C treatments for a wide variety of diseases if you bothered to look for them objectively instead of just cherry picking articles which confirm your bias. I am sure feeling right is more important than learning something and potentially saving lives so you can stroke your ego though.

Yeah.  Vitamins are good for you.  Not bad. 

The guy we were discussing, and that now seem to be defending, claimed: "The coronavirus pandemic can be dramatically slowed, or stopped completely, with the immediate widespread use of high doses of vitamin C.".

He created that narrative.
Then he wrote a bunch of press statements to commentate on his own statement.
Go click around a couple of the articles.  Should only take a couple clicks before you realize you're looking at one giant ad.
legendary
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March 09, 2020, 07:19:01 PM
It doesn't explicitly say orally in the abstract, I made an assumption based on what was included in the abstract.

Unless we have access to the actual study, all we can do is make assumptions based on the abstract...right?  You really shouldn't play the 'he made an assumption therefore he is wrong' card if you are using only the abstract of a study to make a point.

Assumptions? Very scientific. Or we could, you know not make assumptions just because they serve your little semantic distinction, we could also do that. I will take my study abstract over your bullshit articles, thanks. FYI, there are lots of studies on vitamin C treatments for a wide variety of diseases if you bothered to look for them objectively instead of just cherry picking articles which confirm your bias. I am sure feeling right is more important than learning something and potentially saving lives so you can stroke your ego though.
legendary
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March 09, 2020, 06:57:21 PM
The 'megadose' in that study is 1,000 mg hourly for the first 6 hours, of the first day, and then 3 1,000 mg doses every day after.  All taken orally.

The fake news article is recommending a dosage of 4.000 mg - 16,000 mg, taken by IV.(for people with the virus)

Hey look who it is, Captain Semantics here to distract from the point in order to backpedal to feel the most right about the worlds wrongs. Please quote in the abstract where it says "orally". Vitamin C is an effective treatment and prevention for viral infections. The end.

It doesn't explicitly say orally in the abstract, I made an assumption based on what was included in the abstract.

Unless we have access to the actual study, all we can do is make assumptions based on the abstract...right?  You really shouldn't play the 'he made an assumption therefore he is wrong' card if you are using only the abstract of a study to make a point.

Why don't you just say that you want proof that it was CV and not something else? Real proof, and not a bunch of media reporting what might be fake news, over and over and over.

Cool
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March 09, 2020, 06:50:29 PM
The 'megadose' in that study is 1,000 mg hourly for the first 6 hours, of the first day, and then 3 1,000 mg doses every day after.  All taken orally.

The fake news article is recommending a dosage of 4.000 mg - 16,000 mg, taken by IV.(for people with the virus)

Hey look who it is, Captain Semantics here to distract from the point in order to backpedal to feel the most right about the worlds wrongs. Please quote in the abstract where it says "orally". Vitamin C is an effective treatment and prevention for viral infections. The end.

It doesn't explicitly say orally in the abstract, I made an assumption based on what was included in the abstract.

Unless we have access to the actual study, all we can do is make assumptions based on the abstract...right?  You really shouldn't play the 'he made an assumption therefore he is wrong' card if you are using only the abstract of a study to make a point.
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March 09, 2020, 06:15:12 PM
The 'megadose' in that study is 1,000 mg hourly for the first 6 hours, of the first day, and then 3 1,000 mg doses every day after.  All taken orally.

The fake news article is recommending a dosage of 4.000 mg - 16,000 mg, taken by IV.(for people with the virus)

Hey look who it is, Captain Semantics here to distract from the point in order to backpedal to feel the most right about the worlds wrongs. Please quote in the abstract where it says "orally". Vitamin C is an effective treatment and prevention for viral infections. The end.
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March 09, 2020, 05:21:31 PM
As usual, you should talk less, and read more.
"The effectiveness of vitamin C in preventing and relieving the symptoms of virus-induced respiratory infections."
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10543583

as usual you should read more and gloss over less
relieving symptoms. does not = preventing getting the flu itself
have a nice day though

its like saying
if you got the sniffles where your endlessly sniffing and annoying people around you with that sniff sound due to a runny nose for 2 weeks.
actually blowing your nose or if you have a mucussy throat. spitting it out instead of just coughing/swallowing will make the sniffs less apparent and the coughs less apparent and you will probably get over it in less than 2 weeks.
this does not mean blowing your nose and spitting will prevent you ever getting the flu. just reduce and alleviate the severity and length of the suffering of the symptoms.


"RESULTS:

Overall, reported flu and cold symptoms in the test group decreased 85% compared with the control group after the administration of megadose Vitamin C.

CONCLUSION:

Vitamin C in megadoses administered before or after the appearance of cold and flu symptoms relieved and prevented the symptoms in the test population compared with the control group."

Just stop talking. Please.
The 'megadose' in that study is 1,000 mg hourly for the first 6 hours, of the first day, and then 3 1,000 mg doses every day after.  All taken orally.

The fake news article is recommending a dosage of 4.000 mg - 16,000 mg, taken by IV.(for people with the virus)

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