Topic: Coronavirus Outbreak - page 128. (Read 29992 times)

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-nCoV/summary.html

the word disease is meaningless
EVERYTHING that has a negative health can be described as a disease

its a buzzword that applies to any health issues
they even put alcoholism as a disease
addiction as a disease
heck even gluttany (greed of food) as a disease

thus its a meaningless buzzword


saying the word disease alone is meaningless and explains nothing
all it does is say 'something that has negative health issues'
thats it.
it does not explain cause or effect.

its like saying 'object'
it doesnt describe what it looks like how i was made or what it can do

your literally trying to make a debate by saying a car is not a car because its an object

sorry a car is still a car and by knowing the object is a car you then know what to expect it to look like, have an idea of how it was made and have an idea of what it can do.

by just saying 'no its just an object' you are making yourself into a fool by trying to make it something its not by hiding what it is
a car is a car and covid19 is a virus..
yes a car is a object and covid is a disease
but by saying a car is a object and thus its not a car anymore
by saying a virus is a disease and thus is not a virus anymore

is a fools errand
whats next
your wife is an object so your no longer gonna see her as human?? (using your own logic)

SUMMARY:
"disease" is not some sub cateory of a certain list of things
its an umbrella term for anything that can cause negative health impact

No, it's a disease caused by a Virus.  
The official name of the virus is 'SARS-CoV-2'.  The official name of the disease is 'coronavirus disease 2019', co-vid19 for short.

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-nCoV/summary.html

Fair enough on the label.  That is true and my mistake.  It always struck me as funny that they came up with one label for a 'disease' that could be caused by any number of viral pathogens.  Almost like a deliberate obfuscation technique to confuse people.

You are correct that the body 'should' be able to fight off a coronavirus infection and be good to go for a year until a sufficiently mutated one comes around the next year.  That's the way it generally worked...until now.  There are multiple reports of this NOT being the case with so-called 'covid-19'.  Often with some musing about different testing methods and the like.  As I say, the phenomenon is consistent with multiple lab-made variants being deployed in all the confusion.

ok now you just lost the plot.. time for you to take a day or two to have a nice relaxing cup of coffee, take a bit of a chillout time and then actually do some research..

co-vid19 is a virus which has a particular symptom list
yes a health disorder with a particular symptom list is formally called a disease

but calling it a disease does not make it no longer a virus
again
a disease is a change to a persons health with a particular list of symptoms
the word disease itself does not describe the cause. or the effect. its just a term that covers anything that harms a persons health
including a virus
this particular virus has a known main severe symptom of pneumonia.
it is a virus with a known symptom
thus the current 'disease' is a virus with a symptom of causing pneumonia

by saying its a disease does not illiminate the virus part or change the symptom part
the word disease yet again because ithink it needs rattling into your mind is simple
its a word for ANY change of a persons health that has a certain symptom which can be fatal

again to repeat incase you didnt get it
by calling it a disease does not make it not  virus thing. its still a virus thing
now go take a break and do some research
..
as for the whole 'people can get it again'
next year people will get corona.
people have been getting corona every year for decades

people next year will get a different strain
just like people got the sars corona then years later got the mers corona
both are categorised as respiratory diseses
and yes those that got sars and mers and others over the years can get co-vid19

what you really need to be aware of is that it is not like chicken pox. where by if you had it as a kid you cant get it
..
the reason i say this is because there is a myth playing around that some are spreading the misinfomation that if they had the flu once in their life they will never get the flu again.
incorrect
they will get the flu. thats life. get used to it
you will get the flu over and over again.

Are you saying that Covid-19 is some kind of complex poison?... one produced by the Coronavirus? Is it a poison that is complex enough that the body doesn't know how to expel it as it does many other poisons, yet a poison that works slowly enough in most people that it doesn't cause immediate death, and one that many people overcome by their bodies finally expelling it?

If this is the case, sewage plant workers are in grave danger (no pun intended).

covid-19 is not a virus, it's a disease that is caused by the corona virus that was first discovered in late 2019.

Once your immune systems fight off a virus, you should be immune to that specific strain.

no

corona is a category of viruses
corona has been around since before the 1960's and has mutated many times
things like SARS and MERS are the main notable ones but corona happens every year and people can get it each time

next year will have a new mutation and yes people can get corona again. but the new mutation.
its not about getting corona-19 again and again.
its about getting A corona of any kind 1960->

unlike measles which once vaccinated or once had it your not gonna get again even in a different strain
each year of corona is a different strain of corona

people get the flu each year. thats life
people will get it each year

just some years are more serious strain than others.
sars/mers strains years ago caused respiratory issues and the following years new strains didnt
his corona-19 causes pneumonia in vulnerable people and probably next years wont.
but people will get next years strain. and the year after that..
thats life

getting corona is not the big deal. thats not the issue,
the big deal is trying not to pass it on to people with already weak immune systems when the current strain around has extra issues for those with weaker immune systems

so the best advise people should actually care or worry about is to not go visit their elderly relatives during flu seasons

^ https://nextstrain.org/

One of the many 'oddities' about what they are calling now covid-19 is that people don't seem to get immune from it and can get 'it' again.

One hypothesis which aligns with the above is that there are multiple strains circulating, and each so different that immunity to all is not obtained by infection of one.  Actually I believe that that is established fact that there are multiple strains and the assumption to be drawn is that they are strains which evolved naturally from a particular 'bat soup' virus which came about naturally in a Wuhan wet market.

Coronavirus and various other like viruses 'claim to fame' is that it does indeed mutate quite quickly so it is not absurd to believe that it could already have been differentiated into a multitude of 'strains'.  Especially since it is under heavy analysis so the various different strains are more likely to be identified.  Even with this rapid mutation characteristic it is unusual that the mutations outstrip the body's ability to develop and retain immunity to a 'seasonal' bug.

Another hypothesis is that one or several (of hundreds or thousands) of strains escaped from a lab where there was 'gain of function' work going on, sickened people, and started to take off.  After that someone said 'Hmmm...what a great opportunity to release some more strains on people who are not playing ball?'  People like, say, the Iranians, and the Italians who are breaking ranks to make agreements with Iran.  This could also account for the existence of multiple 'strains' of coronavirus making their way around where some 'strains' have higher mortalities and other interesting 'functions'.

I think that by the end of spring the epidemic will be defeated. In addition, the immunity in the summer of any person is higher, and the virus will have less chance.

Looks like Italy is feeling the most pain right now.  Their first reported case was 16 days ago, yesterday they reported 1,492 new cases and 133 new deaths and decided to basically lock down half the country and impose restrictions on the rest.

All of Italy:

• As in the north of the country, cinemas, theaters, museums, pubs, game rooms, dance schools, discos and other similar places will be closed
• Sports competitions are suspended with some exceptions

Northern Italy

• Travel in and out of the area, as well as within the area, will only be possible in response to "duly verified professional requirements, emergency situations, or for health reasons"
• People with symptoms of respiratory disease and fever of 37.5 Celsius or above are strongly encouraged to stay at home and limit social contact as much as possible, and contact their doctor
• Avoid gathering
• All schools and universities must be closed
• All museums and places of culture will be closed
• All cultural, religious or festive events are suspended
• Cinemas, pubs, theaters, dance schools, game rooms, casinos, nightclubs and other similar places shall remain closed
• All sporting events and competitions are suspended
• Ski resorts are closed until further notice
• Swimming pools, sports halls, thermal baths, cultural centers and wellness centers must suspend their activities
• Bars and restaurants can remain open from 8 a.m. to 6 p.m. provided they respect the safety distance of at least 1 meter between customers - this provision also concerns other commercial activities
• Shopping centers and department stores must remain closed on public holidays and the days preceding them
• Places of worship remain open, provided that the safety distance of at least 1 meter is respected, but religious ceremonies (marriage, baptism) are prohibited until further notice

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

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https://www.cdc.gov/tobacco/basic_information/e-cigarettes/severe-lung-disease.html
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COVID-19 disease, about 80 countries have not reported any infections
63 Countries have no death or recovery reported
24 have no reported deaths
6 have more deaths as recovered
* Health expenditure of GDP in 2016.  The winner was Monaco with 1.75%   Source

-----------------------	Deaths	Rec.	Death/Rec.		GDP *
Singapore	0	78	0,00%		4,47%
Malaysia	0	24	0,00%		3,80%
Germany	0	18	0,00%		11,14%
Vietnam	0	16	0,00%		5,66%
Macau	0	10	0,00%		4,98%
Canada	0	8	0,00%		10,53%
UAE	0	7	0,00%		3,52%
Bahrain	0	4	0,00%		4,87%
India	0	3	0,00%		3,66%
Romania	0	3	0,00%		4,98%
Russia	0	3	0,00%		5,27%
Israel	0	2	0,00%		7,31%
Oman	0	2	0,00%		4,29%
Belgium	0	1	0,00%		10,04%
Cambodia	0	1	0,00%		6,08%
Denmark	0	1	0,00%		10,35%
Finland	0	1	0,00%		9,49%
Kuwait	0	1	0,00%		3,90%
Lebanon	0	1	0,00%		8,02%
Mexico	0	1	0,00%		5,47%
Nepal	0	1	0,00%		6,29%
Pakistan	0	1	0,00%		2,75%
Senegal	0	1	0,00%		5,51%
Sri-Lanka	0	1	0,00%		3,89%
Thailand	1	31	3,23%		3,71%
Hong-Kong	3	59	5,08%		6,20%
China	3119	58590	5,32%		4,98%
Taiwan	1	15	6,67%		6,20%
Japan	6	76	7,89%		10,93%
Egypt	1	12	8,33%		4,64%
Iran	194	2134	9,09%		8,10%
Diamond-P	6	40	15,00%		0,10%
UK	3	18	16,67%		9,76%
Australia	4	21	19,05%		9,25%
S-Korea	50	118	42,37%		7,34%
Spain	17	30	56,67%		8,97%
Italy	366	622	58,84%		8,94%
Switzerland	2	3	66,67%		12,25%
Philippines	1	1	100,00%		4,39%
France	19	12	158,33%		11,54%
US	21	8	262,50%		17,07%
Argentina	1	0,1	1000,00%		7,55%
San-Marino	1	0,1	1000,00%		6,40%
Netherlands	3	0,1	3000,00%		10,36%
Iraq	6	0,1	6000,00%		3,31%

Those numbers dont match up
https://web.archive.org/web/20200308132340/https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8085175/US-hospitals-prepare-96-MILLION-coronavirus-cases-HALF-MILLION-deaths-leaked-papers-show.html
And the other 226 566 900  where they go by 2025?
http://www.deagel.com/country/forecast.aspx

Mask protection levels
https://postimg.cc/3dcRCrQr

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/coronavirus-age-sex-demographics/#ref-2

It is based and uses the number in one of the columns. You say as if it's completely updated with new numbers. Anyways, my point was of the chart earlier, and you get all emotional and shit. If you are making a point, just say the facts and be done with it.

1) The Epidemiological Characteristics of an Outbreak of 2019 Novel Coronavirus Diseases (COVID-19) - China CCDC, February 17 2020
2) Report of the WHO-China Joint Mission on Coronavirus Disease 2019 (COVID-19) [Pdf] - World Health Organization, Feb. 28, 2020

Looking through 2) References the ages in the column.
"On 14 February, China CDC described the clinical features, outcomes, laboratory and radiologic findings of 44 672 laboratory-confirmed cases.... Patients aged over 80 years had a CFR of 14.8%."

Reference 2) mentions it as well.

the CCDC report the other guy linked is a chinese CDC report based on chinese results based on data of before february 12th...
the chart about age mortatility is global data based on uptodate information from data at the end of february.

can you tell the difference yet.
fixed data report january/february in written form
fluid dataset with charts

anyway. why even discuss it the data is fluid (UNLIKE the report the guy keeps referencing thats now out of date)
not even sure what your trying to rebutt anymore.

the live data charts are more reliable info than a month old PDF report
if you want to spend your life just reading that month old transcript that will never change.. go ahead
ill keep looking at the live data. have a nice day..

and just incase you dont want to drop the matter becuse your more of a glory hound than someone that cares about content or context

the CCDC is out dated data of 11th february
..
the chart is not just based on the CCDC data of feb11th.
its actually updated at the end of february with new numbers.

but seems a couple people in this topic want to rebtt meaningless points about a datapoint that even the datapoint becomes outdated and meaningless.
in short. just use the live data. which is the death vs RECOVERED rate. which gets updated regularly.. not some fixed print report of feb11th. and not death vs active cases(who still sick and unknown if recover or die.)

Yes it is.





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https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

i dont even know what you are trying to rebutt

the worldometer is based on numbers as of now.
yep now

you keep trying to make it about an old report in february of a fixed dataset

the worldometer data changes per day based on results received daily of those recoverd vs those dead

so
1. its not based on the ccdc report thats of just the ~44k cases you think its about thats old data from february
2. its not based on all actively sick/active cases vs death. .. its recovered vs death thus more accurate
3. its chart is of the worldometer chart.

also. your trying to state that the death rate is ~3%... but thats based on all cases open&closed vs death
your stats are skewed because some of those still sick are neither dead nor recovered. but skewing the numbers to make it look like its only  ~3% risk vs a more accurate <6%

sorry but i will stick to results that atleast seem to be more uptodate and not skewed.

anyway. you been trying to rebut this so long that the results are in that the death rate has now declined below 6%.
(above 5.. not below 3 which you seem to think)
so take that as a hint that you have been beating a busted drum for too long. move on

And those numbers are from this study: http://weekly.chinacdc.cn/en/article/id/e53946e2-c6c4-41e9-9a9b-fea8db1a8f51 (Main source).
You are quoting a source that is using those numbers from the main source.

The study literally taken: 44,672 cases /1,023 deaths =2.3% of taking cases and divided by death. And the chart is using those numbers from that study.

Again, I was talking about this chart, and the study, not worldometer.

And yes, I do at times, when bringing up points on other posts, use worldometer - good info site, for analysis. My post above was criticizing the study/chart, and not worldometer.

Another good one, I use: https://covid19info.live/

The Center for Systems Science and Engineering (CSSE) at JHU
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