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I think we're having a misunderstanding.

The article you linked in this post and I responded to in this post was written by Larry Romanoff, not Michel Chossudovsky.

if you look at the chart. its all about the worldometer
here is the friggen link
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/coronavirus-age-sex-demographics/

by the way. its not based on current active cases of people currently sick
there was an explanation that if it was then the numbers would be misleading
so if you kept reading the page it says

CFR = deaths / (deaths + recovered)

not
CFR = deaths / (deaths + currently sick)
nor
CFR = deaths / (deaths + currently sick +recovered)


here:

Could you post a source?

Your numbers are off from the numbers that have been reported here: https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries

Canadian professor and conspiracy theorist who theorizes about conspiracies and is a conspiracy theorist.  Did I mention he is a conspiracy theorist?

Works for the Rooshins (as does everyone else who doesn't tow the U.S. govt line and isn't ethnically non-white these days.)  Get your story straight.  Your thought leaders will be switching from 'Russian stooge' to 'Chinese stooge' in due time, but you shouldn't jump the gun.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michel_Chossudovsky

66 Countries have not reported a death or anyone recoverd
Singapore still on top with 78 recovered and no reported death, US now the only country with more death than recovered (17--8)
16 counties with someone dying from COVID-19 disease

.	Rec.		Death/Recover
Singapore	78		0,00%
Malaysia	23		0,00%
Germany	18		0,00%
Vietnam	16		0,00%
Macau	10		0,00%
Canada	8		0,00%
U a E	7		0,00%
Bahrain	4		0,00%
India	3		0,00%
Romania	3		0,00%
Israel	2		0,00%
Oman	2		0,00%
Russia	2		0,00%
Belgium	1		0,00%
Cambodia	1		0,00%
Denmark	1		0,00%
Egypt	1		0,00%
Finland	1		0,00%
Lebanon	1		0,00%
Mexico	1		0,00%
Nepal	1		0,00%
Thailand	31		3,23%
Hong-Kong	51		3,92%
China	57035		5,43%
Japan	76		7,89%
Taiwan	12		8,33%
Iran	1669		8,69%
Australia	21		9,52%
UK	18		11,11%
Diamond.P	40		15,00%
S. Korea	135		32,59%
Spain	30		33,33%
Switzerland	3		33,33%
Italy	589		39,56%
France	12		91,67%
Philippines	1		100,00%
US	8		212,50%

If you look at the post, it's not about https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

It's in regards to the study by age group: http://weekly.chinacdc.cn/en/article/id/e53946e2-c6c4-41e9-9a9b-fea8db1a8f51 and the chart in accordance to that.

NOPE
its 94% recovered/discharged 6% death
its not 94% still sick 6% dead

Accuracy is relative.

Do you have access to data that is more accurate?

In the end, the most accurate data on mortality rate will be determined only after the virus has been contained.
So the question at this point is 'which data is most likely to be the most accurate'.

China has ~80% of reported cases, so It seems that the WHO-China Joint Mission report, and the Chinese CCDC report , both released a couple weeks ago, is the best we have at the moment.

This chart is inaccurate.

1) At the time, they taken 44,000 cases and just divided by death. Without waiting for all cases to resolve. It's cases/death-(lag to diagnose). If you put 50,000 cases inside of a sealed dome, and by day 3 there are 500 deaths. You may say, alright death/cases that's 1% morality rate. But 2 weeks later, all cases resolved and it's 2500 death. Morality is 5%, not 1%.

2) Old people can tend to die quicker, thus biasing the numbers of older faster up if old people died on average 3 days, vs. a healthy person 10 days. It will show a much higher older person of death to younger in ratio. I am not saying that younger people don't have better odds. By being younger, stronger, with better immune systems, they have better odds, but take the chart with a grain of salt.

3) Once the medical system is overwhelmed, there will be no top-tier medical treatment open to everyone, thereby increasing the rate of morality.

4) Do you trust the Chinese dictator government? That is reason alone to be warry of information provided. At the banquet they engineered, and arrested medical doctors, to cover up the data on it. The world could of been spared the wuhan virus if this didn't occur: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/coronavirus-procedures-just-make-me-cringe-5227229 (In the main post better detail)

Critical Point: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.53981839

#4 is unlikely and #5 and #6 are not really possible. I know a little more then most about the testing process so let me share. The test used to detect the coronavirus is RT-PCR which is a common diagnostic test that uses DNA primers to amplify small segments of gene sequence.

Here is a brief three minute video that explains how RT-PCR works
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pRwoOBuk00c

The test at the University of Washington uses the primers recommended by the WHO. The WHO reports the results of their testing here.

Diagnostic detection of Wuhan coronavirus 2019 by real-time RTPCR
https://www.who.int/docs/default-source/coronaviruse/wuhan-virus-assay-v1991527e5122341d99287a1b17c111902.pdf?sfvrsn=d381fc88_2

The primers used by the WHO were reported to generate positive results with this new coronavirus Covid-19 and negative results with both multiple other coronaviruses and multiple other common causes of human respiratory disease.

Specifically the primers used were reported to result in negative results with multiple different samples of the following diseases.

HCoV-HKU1
HCoV-OC43
HCoV-NL63
HCoV-229E
MERS-CoV
Influenza A (H1N1/09)
Influenza A (H3N2)
Influenza A(H5N1)
Influenza B
Rhinovirus/Enterovirus
Respiratory syncytial virus (A/B)
Parainfluenza 1 virus
Parainfluenza 2 virus
Parainfluenza 3 virus
Parainfluenza A or -B virus
Human metapneumovirus
Adenovirus
Human Bocavirus
Legionella spp.
Mycoplasma spp

So #4 Some other virus gives the same results as CV. Is not impossible but these primers have been tested against the known human respiratory pathogens and returned negative results.
#5 Other viruses convert to CV randomly is not really possible based on the nature of DNA and viral replication same with #6.

So I agree you can add #4 to the list of possibilities. But its unlikely and since you don't need to use the WHO primers the CDC in the USA developed their own different primers for example you would need this rare error to occur multiple times with the same disease with different sets of primers or have everyone testing in on the conspiracy.  

You forgot:

4) Some other virus gives the same results as CV.
5) Other viruses convert to CV randomly.
6) People who have CV symptoms and are negative for CV, is because the CV transformed into something else.

Thus, the whole medical is part of the conspiracy by not knowing the things that they say. We probably could easily find a hundred more points. Get them on the stand with proof for what they say. Much more, the media.

I know that there is a single case currently in my town and an elderly male in critical condition in the ICU.
I can confirm for a fact that said patient exists having spoken to one of the doctors who works for that hospital system.

I know they sent a sample of his respiratory secretions to the University of Washington and it was reported back to the hospital that the sample tested positive for Coronavirus. Just today I learned that the Washington state lab confirmed this result so he is no longer a presumptive positive but a confirmed positive.

One of three things must therefore be true.

1) There is a Coronavirus patient in my local ICU.
2) Both the University of Washington Lab and the Washington State lab are part of a giant worldwide conspiracy.
3) I am a nefarious evil member of the NWO trying to trick and mislead you because that matters for some strange reason.

The truth is #1 but if you choose to believe #2 or #3 that is your call.
We all make the best decisions we can in a world of imperfect information.  

Also I am not dead though that last bit was a little morbid given the topic.
 

But be sure to get yourself over to the hospital to see for yourself. And check the testing to make sure it is CV and not something else. And if YOU are a patient, get the doctor who diagnosed you to court on the stand to say it was really CV and how he knows, with witnesses and evidence.

If you are dead, however, simply ignore this post.

The data from that Chinese paper and the WHO-China data seem to be by far the most reliable numbers we have right now.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/coronavirus-age-sex-demographics/

This chart considers both.


Great resource ==> https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

Ok well at then end of the day its really easy to tell if this is all fake or not.

Just wait a few weeks.

If its not fake millions of people across the globe mostly elderly will die an early death over the next few months and hospitals worldwide will be utterly overwhelmed. If its a fake as you seem strongly believe nothing at all will happen.

Prepare or not according to your assumptions.

All Hospital Beds In The US Will Be Filled With Patients 'By About May 8th' Due To Coronavirus: Analysis
https://www.zerohedge.com/health/all-hospital-beds-us-will-be-filled-coronavirus-patients-about-may-8th-according-analysis
 
Edit: Here is the research paper from China that is the source of the chart above.
http://weekly.chinacdc.cn/en/article/id/e53946e2-c6c4-41e9-9a9b-fea8db1a8f51
I suppose one could write up a fake research paper too though so if you believe this is all conspiracy that may not be useful.  

That's a really neat chart. Years ago I used to make charts with Excel. They were never this good, but it was usually that I didn't need all the colorful detail. I haven't done it for a long time. I wonder how much I would have to practice to be able to make one like this.

I suspect the quarantine efforts by China will slow their nationwide spread but I am very skeptical it will do more then that. The Chinese know that if you get this they will take you out of your home and put you in a makeshift quarantine center with a bunch of other sick people.

Heck one of their quarantine centers just collapsed killing large numbers of people.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-51784167

So if you were a Chinese citizen and suddenly developed a cough would you rush to report to the government for testing so you could be put in a mass government quarantine or would you keep quiet?

Many will keep quiet which is why given the mild almost asymptomatic spread of this virus containment is impossible.

Two of the makeshift hospitals build in China to close, lack of patients. Two more the next days.

Cable news in general does more  second hand+ reporting than anything else, their only value to me is the occasional interview with someone noteworthy.  And political debates I guess.


I think you should focus on figuring out who the most qualified people to speak about the virus are, and then see what they have to say directly without giving in to any click bait headlines claiming to have the answer to the question you were wondering about.

China’s Coronavirus: A Shocking Update. Did The Virus Originate in the US?  <=== Textbook click bait headline.  (red flag)

He claims to be a Canadian professor that lives in Shanghai and works for a Chinese University.  There isn't much about him that can be independently verified, but all of his articles get a ton of traffic and reposts across all the big conspiracy blogs.

(1) https://www.globaltimes.cn/content/1180429.shtml  
(2) https://news.cgtn.com/news/2020-02-23/New-study-shows-Wuhan-seafood-market-not-the-source-of-COVID-19-OjhaHnwdnG/index.html <==misrepresented point of the study
(3) https://www.thelancet.com/action/showPdf?pii=S0140-6736%2820%2930183-5
(4) http://www.xinhuanet.com/english/2020-02/27/c_138824145.htm  
(5) http://en.people.cn/n3/2020/0223/c90000-9661026.html  
(6) https://m.weibo.cn/status/4477008216030027#&video
(7) http://en.people.cn/n3/2020/0301/c90000-9663473.html
( http://www.ansa.it/english/news/2020/02/27/coronavirus-italian-strain-isolated-at-sacco-hospital_986ff0c2-7bd6-49fe-bbef-b3a0c1ebd6f4.html
(9) Coronavirus has Mutated, Iran attacked by a Different Strain from Wuhan
(10) https://www.fredericknewspost.com/news/health/fort-detrick-lab-shut-down-after-failed-safety-inspection-all/article_767f3459-59c2-510f-9067-bb215db4396d.html
(11) https://www.unz.com/wwebb/bats-gene-editing-and-bioweapons-recent-darpa-experiments-raise-concerns-amid-coronavirus-outbreak/
(12) https://www.sohu.com/a/376454525_164026

Fair enough like I said I suspect this thing was engineered in Wuhan and got out because they screwed up but there is no smoking gun yet.

We do have some US data that indicate that the reported mortality rates out of China are accurate.

Ten deaths have been connected so far to Life Care Center of Kirkland. A further 15 of the the remaining 69 residents are reported to have been transferred to hospitals in the last 48 hours.

We don't know the average age of the population there but presumably its high as the facility is a nursing home. That gives us a mortality rate of approximately 10/79 = 12.6% with a further 19% hospitalization rate presumably for severe or critical illness. This looks to be on par or perhaps even worse worse then the Chinese data but presumably these folks are particularly vulnerable as they have health conditions that necessitate them living in a nursing home.

Also of note of the initial first responders who responded to 911 calls from the facility before the outbreak was diagnosed a total of 31 firefighters and 3 police officers would ultimately be quarantined or isolated. As of this writing, 18 are showing symptoms.

Sources:
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/06/us/coronavirus-washington-state.html
https://www.foxnews.com/health/washington-care-center-hospitalizes-residents
https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/times-watchdog/family-members-of-residents-at-life-care-center-of-kirkland-nursing-home-decry-response-to-coronavirus/

Edit: Zerohedge is reporting that there was 69 residents at the facility after not before 15 were transferred to the hospital. In this case mortality so far is slightly lower 10/94 = 10.6% in this elderly and vulnerable population.
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/its-awful-situation-washington-moves-take-over-nursing-home-epicenter-outbreak