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A Bat with coronavirus+SARS got bitten by a snake with coronavirus+AIDS which then ass-fucked a pangolin with coronavirus+ebola.  Then some Chinese ran over it and took the carcass to the Wuhan wet market and sold it.  That's the strongest possibility to Twitchy because MSNBC said so, but if they allow for some other explanation in the future he might entertain it.

Forgive me for NOT adopting Twitchy's philosophical methodologies (rightly referred to as a 'reaction' by you.)

The alternative to 'conjecture' is to simply accept one thing and one thing only as a fact, or not think about anything at all.  That's retarded, but a very useful mindset to have amongst one's sheep.


No they don't.

There is nothing whatsoever wrong with coming up with ideas about why something might be like it is, or listening to other people's ideas about the same.  In fact it's quite noble.

The only sin is to listen to/generate one conjecture and one conjecture only.

That is EXACTLY what TPTB want their peeps to do.  And for obvious reasons.  That's what they instruct for 12+ years in 'public education'.  Thankfully I was to bored in school to pay much attention but I got pretty indoctrinated anyway and it took many many years of hard work before the indoctrination completely wore off.

No mystery about the tests. Our government is incompetent and slow. The CDC was not prepared to handle the volume that was required of it and our bureaucracy likes to centralize power so other labs were prohibited from developing their own tests by red tape. As soon as the CDC cried uncle and outsourced the process to the private sector we had labs like the University of Washington immediately performing hundreds and soon thousands of tests a day. Many of the cases diagnosed to date including the one in my local hospital ICU were diagnosed by such labs and are "presumptive positives" because the centralized labs are too overwhelmed to even confirm the findings despite having days to do so. Private sector positives are required to send their positives to state level labs for confirmation.

It is probably best to avoid conjecture. Otherwise things quickly degenerate into a let's blame the group we like least contest. The USA did it. No the Communists did it. No the Jews did it. No it was the Nazi White Supremacist ect. TwitchySeal reaction is probably best. Without hard proof we should proceed as though this were a natural interspecies jump. The fact that it is well within the realm of possibility that this was was an engineered interspecies jump requires investigation at this stage and perhaps suspicion but not accusation.



That depends on how old you are. The best data we have comes out of China where they have been dealing with this for months.

Looking at tens of thousands of confirmed cases they are reporting a 8% mortality rate in those 70-79 and a nearly 15% mortality rate in those over 80. Yes young people do much better 0.2-0.4% mortality. They are probably missing asymptomatic cases so this is probably an overestimate but if you are old this is serious business

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-51540981

From what I 'know' about the ailment I don't necessarily believe that to be true.  Seems mostly like it is (to most people) just another seasonal bug which many don't even know they got, and there are thousands of 'flu deaths' every month.  The mortality figures we've seen out of China are not in the numbers that couldn't be swept under the statistics.

Also, as has been pointed out elsewhere, people were told that Grandma's death was the flu, then when they look at the death cert it says (from months ago) 'coronavirus'.  So it is being reported by some at least.

Again, the mysterious inability for the U.S. to be able to come up with a test for 'covid-19' is getting more suspicious by the day.  Perhaps they are not getting 'false' positives but rather the correct reading.  That is to say, perhaps it has already been around the block in the U.S..


It is said that Italians are fairly close to Iranians in terms of phenotype.  It is also clear that there are multiple 'strains' floating around and that the Italian/Iranian strain is different than, say, the Japanese one.  Type C and type L if I remember correctly with different characteristics.

We know that these BL4 labs have been cooking up bags of these things and it's a fair bet that they have 100's of related strains to choose from.

Some people conjecture that the easiest time to use one of these goodies on an adversary is when another one is already kicking around and there is a lot of confusion.  And that might be why the Iranians (esp, their leadership) are so sick right now.

edit:  Oh ya.  Italy also deserved a lesson in good behavior:  https://en.mfa.ir/portal/newsview/573093/iran-italy-discuss-bilateral-relations-jcpoa

I'm not holding my breath.  Seems like there is a perfect 1-to-1 relationship between what the mainstream tells you to believe and what you believe.  If Big Bro tells you through an authorized channel (PBS, MSNBC, FOX, etc) that it looks like a chink weapon from their labs I'm sure you will have no problem finding all kinds of 'convincing evidence' for that.  Until then, it's bat soup.  Period.

For my part I've got no idea which lab it came from, but I'm quite sure that it (or they) came out of one.  I've for years understood why these labs exist and what they monkey around with.  It's also clear that these labs exchange data and biological materiel.  It's OK for you to see 'convincing evidence' of that since it was reported by our glorious mainstream media when the arrests and vial smuggling happened from Canada to China a month or two ago.

What I will do with the information from the article is to keep it in my mind and pattern-match the hypothesis against new observations as they come in.  That's kind of an old-school method of analysis, but it worked pretty well since the age of enlightenement so I'll stick with it.

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BTW, .ca is for 'canada'.  Globalresearch.ca is not 'Chinese infowars'.  China (mainland) is .cn.  Globalresearch.ca is headed by some Canadian professor and they have been pretty focused on 'anti-globalization' for a long long time now.  Probably since you were still shitting soft.  I can understand how that might look 'anti-western' to people operating at a fairly simplistic level.

This is a highly contagious pandemic. It cant leak out of somewhere and "kick around" without it exploding in a very fatal and very obvious way. If it had first escaped out of Fort Detrick Maryland would be ground zero and there would be thousands of deaths by now in the state and local hospital systems would be crumpling under the mass numbers of critically ill ICU patients. That has not happened. We probably have a few weeks until we reach that point in the US starting Greater Seattle area. High death rates have been reported in Italy and Iran where there was no SARS vaccine trial. This disease does not appear to be ethnic specific.

The problem is the guy who wrote the article is using a bunch of other Chinese tabloids, media reports about other media reports (which makes this a forum post about a media report about a media report about a media report) as sources.  And when they quote people actually qualified to speak about the situation, they take them out of context. (check the quote and source of the Dr that said "just because it was discovered in China doesn't mean it originated in China")

He also seems to write primarily sensationalized anti-west/America articles.

globalresearch.ca seems pretty wacky even by Chinese media standards.  They are like the infowars of China.

Some lol headlines:
US Training Nazis, Western Media Providing Cover
Unlimited War! ISIS Psyop Theater Comes to Full Fruition
US Struggles to Keep Asia in Dark Age. US-Funded “Newspapers” and “Activists”

I still have yet to come across any convincing evidence that the virus didn't most likely originate from some animal, probably a bat, somewhere near Wuhan.

3 of the 4 Fort Detrick labs are newish buildings.
The Old building  "US Army Medical Research Institute of Infectious Diseases (USAMRIID)" is most likely to one shut down.
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.53981009
All 7 coronavirus types possibly come from some lab. Unlikly the virus comes form Pangolins https://youtu.be/qL5WYDffth8
SARS in 2003 is claimed to come from palm civets who got infected form bats. Not a single case of SARS since 2004, civets still exist.

https://www.globalresearch.ca/china-coronavirus-shocking-update/5705196

Thesis:  May have leaked out of Fort Detrick and kicked around the U.S. for a while before it popping up in a big way at the Wuhan 'wet market'.  Fallout (deaths) were blamed on other things (e.g., vaping) and swept under the carpet.

It would be interesting to know how the initial idea for Bill Gates & friends Event 201 'coronavirus simulation' and the closing of Ft. Detrick labs corresponded.

This would explain the very odd behavior vis-a-vis test facilities in the U.S..  Basically the federal govt monopolizes the ability to confirm SARS++ and doesn't do their job.  'Test kits' are still not available.  It fits with a hypothesis as above in that properly working test kits would uncover information making the already ridiculous 'bat soup' story even more untenable.

I myself have to wonder whether China would be willing to do the U.S. a solid by playing along as long as they get to round up dissidents without what would otherwise be an outcry.  I also have to wonder if a long-ago SARS vaccine trial didn't contribute to the overreactions among some of the Chinese victims as postulated earlier.

I do find it interesting that the media is lionizing the Chinese and their glorious totalitarian CCP government for their 'effective' tactics in combating the thing.  Basically saying, as almost a talking point, that we 'may need to do the same things here.'

Trump at 10 am this morning: "It came out of China, I heard about it, and we made a good move: We closed it down. We stopped it. It was a very early shutdown, which is something we got right."

Since then Minnesota, Oklahoma, Connecticut, Kentucky, Utah, South Carolina, Hawaii and Nebraska all reported their first coronavirus case.





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64 Countries no dead's or recoveries reported of countries with infections.
23 Countries have 100% recovery rate, shining stars Singapore, Malaysia, Germany, Vietnam
More death as recovered in Spain, USA

.	Recovered		Death-Recovered
Singapore	78		0,00%
Malaysia	23		0,00%
Germany	17		0,00%
Vietnam	16		0,00%
Macau	10		0,00%
Canada	8		0,00%
U A E	5		0,00%
Bahrain	4		0,00%
India	3		0,00%
Israel	2		0,00%
Oman	2		0,00%
Russia	2		0,00%
Belgium	1		0,00%
Cambodia	1		0,00%
Denmark	1		0,00%
Egypt	1		0,00%
Finland	1		0,00%
Lebanon	1		0,00%
Mexico	1		0,00%
Nepal	1		0,00%
Romania	1		0,00%
Sri Lanka	1		0,00%
Thailand	31		3,23%
Hong-Kong	51		3,92%
China	55403		5,54%
Taiwan	12		8,33%
Japan	46		13,04%
Iran	913		13,58%
Diamond-P.	40		15,00%
UK	8		25,00%
S. Korea	135		32,59%
Switzerland	3		33,33%
Italy	523		37,67%
France	12		75,00%
Philippines	1		100,00%
US	8		175,00%
Spain	2		250,00%

There is a lot of circumstantial evidence requires us to seriously consider the possibility that this virus was engineered in China.

The article below does a nice job of going over the published studies that lead one to this conclusion. Its entirely fact based focusing on the known timeline and published research papers.

"What Are The Odds?" - A Timeline Of Facts Linking Covid-19, HIV, & Wuhan's Secret Bio-Lab
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/what-are-odds-timeline-facts-linking-covid-19-hiv-wuhans-secret-bio-lab

The engineered in china hypothesis must be compared alternative hypothesis that this is an entirely natural spontaneous jump from animals to humans that just happened to occur in Wuhan. The evidence commonly used to support the interspecies jump claim is the argument that the disease started in the Wuhan animal market. This has been falsified as
the first cases of this in Wuhan are documented by Chinese doctors to have no connection to the market. So the evidence to support this view is the fact that such interspecies jumps are possible and have happened in the past aka 1918 influenza pandemic and the fact that the backbone of the virus looks like it came from bats.  

Or one can consider the alternative hypothesis that this is some secret attack on China by nefarious forces in USA. Currently the virus is raging through the west coast uncontrolled and set to explode further and our CDC despite weeks of warning is utterly incapable of even creating functional test to detect the virus requiring them to desperately outsource to the private sector. It can safely be said that the CDC is utterly incapable of such a conspiracy and I have seen no evidence to support the view that any faction of the USA government has such a capability. Incompetence of government is universal.

The sum of the evidence to date in my opinion suggests but does not prove that this virus was engineered in Wuhan.

Interestingly the article above was published by a cryptocurrency guy Scott Burke, CEO of crypto-related firm Groundhog looks like he is working on a platform to pay for subscription based services with cryptocurrency. Worth keeping an eye on given the potential for platforms such as paypal to become increasingly draconian over time.

Now poor pangolins get the blame.
https://web.archive.org/web/20200306152627/https://www.businessinsider.com/wuhan-coronavirus-pangolins-intermediary-host-2020-2

A second Coronavirus patented vaccine for bronchitis causing virus infecting chickens (who vaccines chickens?)
 http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO1&Sect2=HITOFF&d=PALL&p=1&u=%2Fnetahtml%2FPTO%2Fsrchnum.htm&r=1&f=G&l=50&s1=10130701.PN.&OS=PN/10130701&RS=PN/10130701

the main causes of spread have been

patients in hospital spreading to other patients

elderly peoples homes/retirement villages
they are told to stay in and pretty much turn the retirement home (old peoples hotel basically) into an incubator/Petri dish for viruses. and when they get it. the nurses who sometimes do remote care also. then spread it from place to place

home care social/care workers
usually these care workers spend half-hour/hour in upto 8-10 peoples homes a day. these people needing care at home are at risk and although they themselves dont go out. its the care workers that go place to place that bring it into the homes

however your just walking around town and your worried about getting it from licking a retail shop window. just stop licking windows. you shouldnt be doing it anyway

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i think you posted it for a bit of satire. seeing as the writer is still not even 100% convinced the earth is curved.
as for over using occums razor.. come on its common knowledge dont share needles or razors. the over use of random people using occums razor has caused many myths to go viral.
especially in the linked example where he tries to make it sound obsurd that it came from a fish market. by tweaking the details.
by making long sentances about fact. and then a short fiction. then saying occums razors = short version true. doesnt make it true

Lets have some update before the tread dies.

31 Countries either did have a death or someone recovering.
Average 1.4%

.	Mortality rate
Iraq	5,71%
US	5,15%
San Marino	4,76%
Italy	3,84%
China	3,78%
Australia	3,33%
Iran	3,05%
Taiwan	2,27%
Thailand	2,08%
Hong Kong	1,89%
Japan	1,67%
France	1,65%
Spain	1,06%
Diamond Princess	0,86%
UK	0,86%
Switzerland	0,84%
South  Korea	0,61%
Singapore	0,00%
Belgium	0,00%
Malaysia	0,00%
Vietnam	0,00%
Germany	0,00%
Macau	0,00%
Canada	0,00%
UAE	0,00%
India	0,00%
Oman	0,00%
Israel	0,00%
Finland	0,00%
Lebanon	0,00%
Denmark	0,00%

The actual star is Singapore with 78 recoveries and no deaths, Vietnam 16, Macau 10, Thailand also 31 from 48 recovered

Recovered
Vietnam	100,00%
Macau	100,00%
China	66,80%
Singapore	66,67%
Thailand	64,58%
Belgium	44,00%
Hong Kong	43,40%
Malaysia	40,00%
Australia	35,00%
Taiwan	27,27%
Iran	21,04%
UAE	17,24%
Canada	13,04%
Oman	12,50%
Israel	12,50%
Japan	11,94%
Italy	10,73%
India	10,00%
Finland	8,33%
UK	6,90%
Lebanon	6,25%
Diamond Princess	5,75%
Denmark	5,26%
US	3,43%
Germany	2,94%
France	2,84%
Switzerland	2,52%
South  Korea	2,05%
Spain	0,71%
Iraq	0,00%
San Marino	0,00%

And the deaths to number of recovered USA 12 death 8 recovered, Spain 3 death to 2 recovered

US	150,00%
Spain	150,00%
France	58,33%
Italy	35,75%
Switzerland	33,33%
South  Korea	29,63%
Diamond Princess	15,00%
Iran	14,48%
Japan	13,95%
UK	12,50%
Australia	9,52%
Taiwan	8,33%
China	5,65%
Hong Kong	4,35%
Thailand	3,23%

COVID-19: Study Finds Flu Jab Makes You More Likely To Catch Coronvirus

"Scientists Discover More Aggressive Strain Of Coronavirus Responsible For 70% Of Current Infections"
https://www.zerohedge.com/health/scientists-discover-more-aggressive-strain-coronavirus-responsible-70-current-infections



More evidence China is using this outbreak as an intentional economic weapon:

"China Hints At Blackmail Over Pharmaceutical Exports, Would "Plunge US Into Mighty Sea Of Coronavirus""
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/china-hints-blackmail-over-pharmaceutical-exports-would-plunge-us-mighty-sea

The Crown hysteria has sort of Y2K vibe to it.

Average age of the first 31 people who passed away in South Korea is 70 years old.
Before getting the virus, they all had a combination of pre-existing health conditions (e.g. cancer, pneumonia, high blood pressure, kidney problems, brain damage, liver disease, …).
Two of the people who passed away underwent an organ transplant shortly before they caught the virus.

The average time between being diagnosed with COVID-19 and passing away is 2.5 days in the Korea deaths.
Currently 35 listed as died from COVID-19 disease in Korea, age or other particulars unknown at this stage.
China does have a lot of smokers the damaged lungs makes the situation a lot worse.

Called it:


"WHO Urges People To Go 'Cashless' Because 'Dirty Banknotes Can Spread The Virus'"

https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/who-warns-dirty-banknotes-may-be-spreading-virus-worldwide


Next on the globalist wish list after economic collapse, global mandatory vaccinations.

In times of SARS-CoV-2 touching the screens is like playing Russian roulette.
https://metro.co.uk/2018/11/28/poo-found-on-every-mcdonalds-touchscreen-tested-8178486/

As someone that's been around airports a lot, I'll comment.

Chinese airports can be expected to have military traffic. And as mentioned, postal. Freight.

Stopping passenger traffic does not close an airport down. Planes stop to gas up, maintenance, etc.