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September 16, 2021, 08:36:54 AM
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It seems to me that many people just don't understand how deeply corruption is embedded in sports at all levels. It is so difficult to investigate and provide evidence of corruption in sports that I get the impression that corruption will never be eradicated from sports. 

Exactly, that's why corruption will continue to exist, some games look questionable but we can never question them because there's no evidence that would prove they are doing something wrong, all we have is inside our mind and we speculate of what could probably be happening.

As a bettor, I also consider that sports are rig and I don't fall in love with sports easily, so I can be wise when it comes to betting, that's using my mind not my emotion.
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September 16, 2021, 05:27:19 AM
What is the point of business to engage in corruption and harm itself?
Business owners really doesn't want to see things like corruption on their own facility/scope, that's why there are some rules to follow, but that won't stop like that, these happens in almost all kind of industry, and it's difficult to tackle especially if the one who's behind the schemes are just the workers or the top officials/members.
Corruption in sports might happen on lower levels, or even on national levels too but international level is different, it might have some but can be counted.

The national level is just a hotbed of corruption because officials rule there, there is not a single businessman in the classical sense. And many officials follow the course of their country's authorities, and if these authorities are obsessed with ideas about greatness and "victories", then they will try to win at any cost, even through doping, undercover games and any kind of dirt. I think everyone knows about Russia and about the doping system that was revealed there.
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September 16, 2021, 04:53:55 AM
Wow, there are many aspects under which politicians, political problems have been above sport, just realizing with football there is much where we can say, only remember the shameful scheme of a president of FIFA and all businesses , fixes in world elimination matches and even fixes in the soccer world cup games were made that cannot be easily erased, from there I deduce that the VAR came out, and thanks to the Netherlands, when the referee checks the VAR, now all the Spectators will be able to see what the referee sees on the giant screen of the soccer stadium.

Despite all these facts, corruption for me, lies in these types of acts and in another way with what happened with the world qualifying game with Brazil vs Argentina, recently, these acts make them become corrupt thanks to political problems that They can never be above football, for now it is unfortunately like that.

You think that the fact that the crowd in the stadium seeing what VAR referee sees will make them be fair? I don't think so. If they want or have to invalidate some goal or penalty, they will whether the crowd in the stadium agrees with the decision or not.

My opinion is that there will always be a corruption when big amount of money is at stake.
The corruption will always be there, whether we see it clearly or the corruption is hiding from us. Those people who commit corruption will always do it secretly and pretend that they are clear without any corruption. The corruption itself already happens from the highest level and if they do that,  the law will hard to touch them because they can moves invisible. Until the honest officers from the government have a big effort to search for the evidence, that case will appear publicly. Otherwise, that will still happen for a long time.

Actually, what I see is not the law, it's the fact that it's hard to prove a fixed game, and only a few got caught on that. If it's within inside and no one will talk or no one will show up as witness of the sports rigging, nothing will happen because all we can do is to speculate.
As a witness, those people will not say anything to the public or their officials because those people can get bribes. People who are related to one case can drag the other people who look clean and do not have any correlation from the case. The case will be buried if, somehow, one person is disappointed with the corruption and will blow the whistle to drag the other people to come out. But I doubt that the high-level officials will not do something to make their name dirty.
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September 15, 2021, 07:30:11 PM
It's normal for us to see bad calls from the refs, but we cannot prove that the call was really to favor the other team because it's part of the rig, they are just humans, they make mistakes. However, in the case of Tim Donaghy, I believe he made a confession and that become a big controversy, after that, no more refs that are called rigging games in the NBA, good job by the league.
Yeah, sometimes refs calls are being said favorable but if there's really a foul, they should call it.

We're thinking like that because we're not with the favored team by that call. But there are also instances that there really are bad calls and seems to be suspicious.
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September 15, 2021, 06:53:33 PM
What is the point of business to engage in corruption and harm itself?
Business owners really doesn't want to see things like corruption on their own facility/scope, that's why there are some rules to follow, but that won't stop like that, these happens in almost all kind of industry, and it's difficult to tackle especially if the one who's behind the schemes are just the workers or the top officials/members.
Corruption in sports might happen on lower levels, or even on national levels too but international level is different, it might have some but can be counted.

I hope that's what everyone thinks, but what if they are the ones who manages the corruption, like sports rigging, they rig sports for their personal interest as they can beat on a player or a team to make easy money. Actually, it's so easy to make money once you are in control, and being an owner, you have all the liberty.
This is the reality!

Its no surprise that they could really play around because they do have the position and the power to do so.This is the sad truth and it is something that we should stress ourselves out in regarding to this.

Lots of industries isn't really exempted for such matter specially with Corruption.There would be always those people who are on the top of command which would really be utilizing
their power and position on taking up advantage and earning money on easiest way as possible.
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September 15, 2021, 05:38:05 PM
What is the point of business to engage in corruption and harm itself?
Business owners really doesn't want to see things like corruption on their own facility/scope, that's why there are some rules to follow, but that won't stop like that, these happens in almost all kind of industry, and it's difficult to tackle especially if the one who's behind the schemes are just the workers or the top officials/members.
Corruption in sports might happen on lower levels, or even on national levels too but international level is different, it might have some but can be counted.

I hope that's what everyone thinks, but what if they are the ones who manages the corruption, like sports rigging, they rig sports for their personal interest as they can beat on a player or a team to make easy money. Actually, it's so easy to make money once you are in control, and being an owner, you have all the liberty.
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September 15, 2021, 03:07:48 PM
What is the point of business to engage in corruption and harm itself?
Business owners really doesn't want to see things like corruption on their own facility/scope, that's why there are some rules to follow, but that won't stop like that, these happens in almost all kind of industry, and it's difficult to tackle especially if the one who's behind the schemes are just the workers or the top officials/members.
Corruption in sports might happen on lower levels, or even on national levels too but international level is different, it might have some but can be counted.
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September 15, 2021, 11:27:51 AM
I agree that now everyone thinks sports is a business and therefore corruption is on the rise. It is possible to prevent corruption by playing as a means of entertainment money is a business that can bring everyone down the administration must be free from corruption and ensure.

What is the point of business to engage in corruption and harm itself? Usually this is done by officials who harm what they manage (but they do not care because the harm that the industry receives does not concern them and they put the profits from dirty deals in their pocket). In my opinion, the higher the concentration of business in any activity, the less corruption, and the higher the concentration of officials, the higher the corruption.
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September 15, 2021, 10:59:22 AM
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It's normal for us to see bad calls from the refs, but we cannot prove that the call was really to favor the other team because it's part of the rig, they are just humans, they make mistakes. However, in the case of Tim Donaghy, I believe he made a confession and that become a big controversy, after that, no more refs that are called rigging games in the NBA, good job by the league.
Yes it's normal for some bad calls here and there but people have eyes and some have common sense and they know when the calls are a total bullshit or if something's fishy. I think that Tim isn't the last one there is because I am pretty sure that if there's one, there's definitely more, they just can't confess.
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September 15, 2021, 10:35:06 AM
While there are this principle of sportmanship in our system... There are these people who only thinks of this entertainment as business, and business is business. Although there are clean businesses out there, that latter part are still in action, especially when gambling takes place. Money is money for this people and it is obvious that they will do anything to have this money.
I agree that now everyone thinks sports is a business and therefore corruption is on the rise. It is possible to prevent corruption by playing as a means of entertainment money is a business that can bring everyone down the administration must be free from corruption and ensure.

Yes! it's more on business and knowing that there are many influenced that will make more money,
then corruptions is very likely to increase.

Business always matters the most, flowing money makes interest with big names behind.
With the system that always has lapses, we can all agree that those rumors are not just a hearsay but things that really happening.
but to prove is another thing, money already washout all those possible proofs and already done paying who are involved with the possible exposures.
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September 15, 2021, 09:05:22 AM
While there are this principle of sportmanship in our system... There are these people who only thinks of this entertainment as business, and business is business. Although there are clean businesses out there, that latter part are still in action, especially when gambling takes place. Money is money for this people and it is obvious that they will do anything to have this money.
I agree that now everyone thinks sports is a business and therefore corruption is on the rise. It is possible to prevent corruption by playing as a means of entertainment money is a business that can bring everyone down the administration must be free from corruption and ensure.

Today we know that sports one of the most exciting parts and many people support their team/fighter but to those top names like boxing including Manny Pacquiao for sure there's a transaction with this kind of event that the people know this is just a fight only but also have a large amount of money involved not only in boxing if we are talking about money for sure corrupts would like to join this event and taking out the incentives, cut the rewards of the players and organization.
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September 15, 2021, 08:59:36 AM
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We can focus on the corruption in sports or what we called sports rigging.

This is not new, though not many have been convicted on this crime, based on the speculation, it's happening in the small or big leagues in any sports.
One of the most popular scandals in the past is the NBA refs rigging the game because he was betting on the game.

Tim Donaghy, is it familiar?
Tim Donaghy rings a bell, I would lie to you if I said that I am familiar with him but yeah, I've seen a fair share of sports rigging in my country because it's a third world country so corruption is a norm. I am familiar though with referees doing bad calls and players doing bad plays.

It's normal for us to see bad calls from the refs, but we cannot prove that the call was really to favor the other team because it's part of the rig, they are just humans, they make mistakes. However, in the case of Tim Donaghy, I believe he made a confession and that become a big controversy, after that, no more refs that are called rigging games in the NBA, good job by the league.
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September 15, 2021, 08:57:15 AM
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We can focus on the corruption in sports or what we called sports rigging.

This is not new, though not many have been convicted on this crime, based on the speculation, it's happening in the small or big leagues in any sports.
One of the most popular scandals in the past is the NBA refs rigging the game because he was betting on the game.

Tim Donaghy, is it familiar?
Tim Donaghy rings a bell, I would lie to you if I said that I am familiar with him but yeah, I've seen a fair share of sports rigging in my country because it's a third world country so corruption is a norm. I am familiar though with referees doing bad calls and players doing bad plays.
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September 15, 2021, 08:42:21 AM
While there are this principle of sportmanship in our system... There are these people who only thinks of this entertainment as business, and business is business. Although there are clean businesses out there, that latter part are still in action, especially when gambling takes place. Money is money for this people and it is obvious that they will do anything to have this money.
I agree that now everyone thinks sports is a business and therefore corruption is on the rise. It is possible to prevent corruption by playing as a means of entertainment money is a business that can bring everyone down the administration must be free from corruption and ensure.
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September 15, 2021, 08:42:13 AM
Wow, there are many aspects under which politicians, political problems have been above sport, just realizing with football there is much where we can say, only remember the shameful scheme of a president of FIFA and all businesses , fixes in world elimination matches and even fixes in the soccer world cup games were made that cannot be easily erased, from there I deduce that the VAR came out, and thanks to the Netherlands, when the referee checks the VAR, now all the Spectators will be able to see what the referee sees on the giant screen of the soccer stadium.

Despite all these facts, corruption for me, lies in these types of acts and in another way with what happened with the world qualifying game with Brazil vs Argentina, recently, these acts make them become corrupt thanks to political problems that They can never be above football, for now it is unfortunately like that.

You think that the fact that the crowd in the stadium seeing what VAR referee sees will make them be fair? I don't think so. If they want or have to invalidate some goal or penalty, they will whether the crowd in the stadium agrees with the decision or not.

My opinion is that there will always be a corruption when big amount of money is at stake.
The corruption will always be there, whether we see it clearly or the corruption is hiding from us. Those people who commit corruption will always do it secretly and pretend that they are clear without any corruption. The corruption itself already happens from the highest level and if they do that,  the law will hard to touch them because they can moves invisible. Until the honest officers from the government have a big effort to search for the evidence, that case will appear publicly. Otherwise, that will still happen for a long time.

Actually, what I see is not the law, it's the fact that it's hard to prove a fixed game, and only a few got caught on that. If it's within inside and no one will talk or no one will show up as witness of the sports rigging, nothing will happen because all we can do is to speculate.
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September 15, 2021, 07:47:06 AM
Wow, there are many aspects under which politicians, political problems have been above sport, just realizing with football there is much where we can say, only remember the shameful scheme of a president of FIFA and all businesses , fixes in world elimination matches and even fixes in the soccer world cup games were made that cannot be easily erased, from there I deduce that the VAR came out, and thanks to the Netherlands, when the referee checks the VAR, now all the Spectators will be able to see what the referee sees on the giant screen of the soccer stadium.

Despite all these facts, corruption for me, lies in these types of acts and in another way with what happened with the world qualifying game with Brazil vs Argentina, recently, these acts make them become corrupt thanks to political problems that They can never be above football, for now it is unfortunately like that.

You think that the fact that the crowd in the stadium seeing what VAR referee sees will make them be fair? I don't think so. If they want or have to invalidate some goal or penalty, they will whether the crowd in the stadium agrees with the decision or not.

My opinion is that there will always be a corruption when big amount of money is at stake.
The corruption will always be there, whether we see it clearly or the corruption is hiding from us. Those people who commit corruption will always do it secretly and pretend that they are clear without any corruption. The corruption itself already happens from the highest level and if they do that,  the law will hard to touch them because they can moves invisible. Until the honest officers from the government have a big effort to search for the evidence, that case will appear publicly. Otherwise, that will still happen for a long time.
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September 15, 2021, 04:52:04 AM
Wow, there are many aspects under which politicians, political problems have been above sport, just realizing with football there is much where we can say, only remember the shameful scheme of a president of FIFA and all businesses , fixes in world elimination matches and even fixes in the soccer world cup games were made that cannot be easily erased, from there I deduce that the VAR came out, and thanks to the Netherlands, when the referee checks the VAR, now all the Spectators will be able to see what the referee sees on the giant screen of the soccer stadium.

Despite all these facts, corruption for me, lies in these types of acts and in another way with what happened with the world qualifying game with Brazil vs Argentina, recently, these acts make them become corrupt thanks to political problems that They can never be above football, for now it is unfortunately like that.

You think that the fact that the crowd in the stadium seeing what VAR referee sees will make them be fair? I don't think so. If they want or have to invalidate some goal or penalty, they will whether the crowd in the stadium agrees with the decision or not.

My opinion is that there will always be a corruption when big amount of money is at stake.
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September 14, 2021, 07:01:47 PM
With due respect, political manifestos usually have many promises, lots of wishful thinking and plenty of stuff that politicians hope that people forget when it comes to putting it in practice. Still, it is interesting that there is an specific point on corruption in sports and I would not be inclined to think that they are pointing to betting, but rather to a more general objective of reducing money laundering and bad practice in general. Governments rarely care about honesty in betting other than basic regulations.

Corrupt politicians usually do that and they will create a lot of problems if there are more corrupt politicians running the country than the good ones, especially if most of them are holding a higher position in the government.

Corruption in the sport does not usually involve politicians, in the theory of game-fixing that I read, mostly involve people are those who are running the league as they are in control of everything when someone has a league, he creates the rules and he influences the implementation of the rules.

Wow, there are many aspects under which politicians, political problems have been above sport, just realizing with football there is much where we can say, only remember the shameful scheme of a president of FIFA and all businesses , fixes in world elimination matches and even fixes in the soccer world cup games were made that cannot be easily erased, from there I deduce that the VAR came out, and thanks to the Netherlands, when the referee checks the VAR, now all the Spectators will be able to see what the referee sees on the giant screen of the soccer stadium.

Despite all these facts, corruption for me, lies in these types of acts and in another way with what happened with the world qualifying game with Brazil vs Argentina, recently, these acts make them become corrupt thanks to political problems that They can never be above football, for now it is unfortunately like that.
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September 14, 2021, 07:01:36 PM
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you can see all types of corruption even in sports. i guess, they are not special not to be excluded with this long running prob of humanity. and sadly to say, we can't avoid such circumstances from happening as it is like innate human behaviour.
even in selection of players, there will always be something that will come up as unfair to some of them. i guess, we just need to accept such fact but if you are aggrieved of the situation and directly involved, you can always seek justice if you want. but such ordeal will be long and tiresome process. a reality check that we all need to admit.
Don't say that BS that it's inevitable or unavoidable, if the parents teach their kids the right thing then we will see something different slowly come up when the new generation rolls out, it's the way we raise the children that we will be able to slowly destroy corruption.
Its an important thing but not an assurance that when they do grow up they wouldnt really go into that path considering that there would lots of factors that could really affect along the way.
I agree somehow that this is something that cant really be avoided nor really get rid of it but there are still ways on at least easing this kind of situation.
Corruption is something that cant really be totally resolved out.

Even if the kids today are raised in appropriate manner, you are right, along the way, they may change their perspectives in life or their morales depending on what situation they are in. I've seen good people turning to corrupt individuals once they got their power or have political position. We can never be sure that kids brought with good moralities in life will stick to what they grew up with. So yes, sometimes it is unavoidable as we can't predict someone's behavior when they start experiencing power on their hands.
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September 14, 2021, 03:40:35 PM
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you can see all types of corruption even in sports. i guess, they are not special not to be excluded with this long running prob of humanity. and sadly to say, we can't avoid such circumstances from happening as it is like innate human behaviour.
even in selection of players, there will always be something that will come up as unfair to some of them. i guess, we just need to accept such fact but if you are aggrieved of the situation and directly involved, you can always seek justice if you want. but such ordeal will be long and tiresome process. a reality check that we all need to admit.
Don't say that BS that it's inevitable or unavoidable, if the parents teach their kids the right thing then we will see something different slowly come up when the new generation rolls out, it's the way we raise the children that we will be able to slowly destroy corruption.
Its an important thing but not an assurance that when they do grow up they wouldnt really go into that path considering that there would lots of factors that could really affect along the way.
I agree somehow that this is something that cant really be avoided nor really get rid of it but there are still ways on at least easing this kind of situation.
Corruption is something that cant really be totally resolved out.
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