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Quote from: Moloch on April 05, 2016, 03:49:39 PM

Christianity was not a thing until around 330AD when the Roman Empire adopted Christianity as the official religion... so yeah, there was no "structurated Chruch" [sp] until 330 AD

I don't know what you mean by "stolen by the Church" (or why you capitalize the word church)

But yes, the first Christians were basically stolen... Rome told them to convert to Christianity or die... literally... convert or die

They stole the pagan holidays which people already celebrated (Easter and Yule (spring equinox and winter solstice)) in an effort to make the transition easier for the populace

Any questions?

Is there anyone who is naive enough to believe anything you say anymore?

Acts 11:25,26:

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Then Barnabas went to Tarsus to look for Saul, and when he found him, he brought him to Antioch. So for a whole year Barnabas and Saul met with the church and taught great numbers of people. The disciples were called Christians first at Antioch

The flow of words and concepts suggest that they were called Christians right at that time, during the first century A.D. Why would you think that this section of Acts is looking ahead to 330 A.D.?

Acts 14:23:

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Paul and Barnabas appointed elders for them in each church and, with prayer and fasting, committed them to the Lord, in whom they had put their trust.

No structure in the church until 330 A.D.? Acts is from the first century A.D.

All one need do is read the first 10 chapters of Acts to see that there was no command by Rome for anyone in the early Church to convert or die. Rather, it was the Holy Spirit - God Himself - Who touched the hearts of the people and brought them out of the darkness of Jewish legalism to oneness with Himself in the newly formed Church... all within the first century A.D.

I can see why you are upset with all that theology you took in school. You obviously flunked.

The fact that the word appears in the New Testament is not relevant to the discussion... Before Rome adopted Christianity, there were only a handful of people who believed that crap...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constantine_the_Great_and_Christianity

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While the Roman Emperor Constantine the Great reigned (306–337 AD), Christianity began to transition to the dominant religion of the Roman Empire.

Hell, Christianity was illegal until 313AD!

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Edict of Milan

In 313 Constantine and Licinius announced "that it was proper that the Christians and all others should have liberty to follow that mode of religion which to each of them appeared best", thereby granting tolerance to all religions, including Christianity

How much structure do you think an illegal religion had for 300 years?

Do you think they built a church and announced they were doing illegal activities? NO! They would be arrested (and probably killed) for that!

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It's also worth mentioning that until the 20th century, nobody identified as "christian"... nobody... it did not happen... People identified by their denomination... People called themselves, "Eastern Othodox", or "Quaker", or "Protestant"... not "christian"...

The consolidation of various denominations under the single flag of "christian" is a new concept and only done to make "christian" the #1 religion on the planet... if they were separated by denomination, Muslims would be the top religion... can't have that...

Like you and Wikipedia were there.

Proof for the Bible. The Dead Sea Scrolls. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UAp6KUwEBZs

Listen starting about 30 minutes into the video. New Testament fragments from about 50 A.D. have been found in the area of the Dead Sea Scrolls location.

Legal or illegal in the eyes of some, the New Testament was known to contain the message of salvation way back before the fall of Jerusalem. Salvation is way more important than legal or illegal.

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Quote from: Losvienleg on April 05, 2016, 03:41:09 PM

Did you ever went to Rome and visited catacombs ? They were made before the officialisation of the Cristianity, and I can tell you that they are huge, with thousand of peoples !

Why would I do that?

1) People have to put dead bodies somewhere...

B) The catacombs were not huge in 200AD... they were barely big enough to fit a dozen skulls

iii) It was not a popular religion, but it wasn't invisible either... nobody is claiming there was not a single christian before 330AD... just that they were few and far between... more like the number of Wiccans (witches) in America, or perhaps as high a % as Mormons... there were a few, and they were persecuted, so they mostly kept to themselves in hiding (hence the catacombs... its a freaking tunnel underground where they can hide/escape!)

That's only the Christians that had to do that, because of the resurrection. If I remember correctly, Romans used to burn their dead corpses. Catacombs were digged again after then, because the one I visited were so huge ! I could say that it was something of the size of the Vatican because we're talking about it, if not more !

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Quote from: Losvienleg on April 05, 2016, 03:41:09 PM

Did you ever went to Rome and visited catacombs ? They were made before the officialisation of the Cristianity, and I can tell you that they are huge, with thousand of peoples !

Why would I do that?

1) People have to put dead bodies somewhere...

B) The catacombs were not huge in 200AD... they were barely big enough to fit a dozen skulls

iii) It was not a popular religion, but it wasn't invisible either... nobody is claiming there was not a single christian before 330AD... just that they were few and far between... more like the number of Wiccans (witches) in America, or perhaps as high a % as Mormons... there were a few, and they were persecuted, so they mostly kept to themselves in hiding (hence the catacombs... its a freaking tunnel underground where they can hide/escape!)

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Quote from: Moloch on April 05, 2016, 03:33:25 PM

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Quote from: BADecker on April 04, 2016, 05:01:15 PM

Christianity was not a thing until around 330AD when the Roman Empire adopted Christianity as the official religion... so yeah, there was no "structurated Chruch" [sp] until 330 AD

I don't know what you mean by "stolen by the Church" (or why you capitalize the word church)

But yes, the first Christians were basically stolen... Rome told them to convert to Christianity or die... literally... convert or die

They stole the pagan holidays which people already celebrated (Easter and Yule (spring equinox and winter solstice)) in an effort to make the transition easier for the populace

Any questions?

Is there anyone who is naive enough to believe anything you say anymore?

Acts 11:25,26:

Quote

Then Barnabas went to Tarsus to look for Saul, and when he found him, he brought him to Antioch. So for a whole year Barnabas and Saul met with the church and taught great numbers of people. The disciples were called Christians first at Antioch

The flow of words and concepts suggest that they were called Christians right at that time, during the first century A.D. Why would you think that this section of Acts is looking ahead to 330 A.D.?

Acts 14:23:

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Paul and Barnabas appointed elders for them in each church and, with prayer and fasting, committed them to the Lord, in whom they had put their trust.

No structure in the church until 330 A.D.? Acts is from the first century A.D.

All one need do is read the first 10 chapters of Acts to see that there was no command by Rome for anyone in the early Church to convert or die. Rather, it was the Holy Spirit - God Himself - Who touched the hearts of the people and brought them out of the darkness of Jewish legalism to oneness with Himself in the newly formed Church... all within the first century A.D.

I can see why you are upset with all that theology you took in school. You obviously flunked.

The fact that the word appears in the New Testament is not relevant to the discussion... Before Rome adopted Christianity, there were only a handful of people who believed that crap...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constantine_the_Great_and_Christianity

Quote

While the Roman Emperor Constantine the Great reigned (306–337 AD), Christianity began to transition to the dominant religion of the Roman Empire.

Hell, Christianity was illegal until 313AD!

Quote

Edict of Milan

In 313 Constantine and Licinius announced "that it was proper that the Christians and all others should have liberty to follow that mode of religion which to each of them appeared best", thereby granting tolerance to all religions, including Christianity

How much structure do you think an illegal religion had for 300 years?

Do you think they built a church and announced they were doing illegal activities? NO! They would be arrested (and probably killed) for that!

Did you ever went to Rome and visited catacombs ? They were made before the officialisation of the Cristianity, and I can tell you that they are huge, with thousand of peoples !

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Quote from: Moloch on April 04, 2016, 11:52:13 PM

Christianity was not a thing until around 330AD when the Roman Empire adopted Christianity as the official religion... so yeah, there was no "structurated Chruch" [sp] until 330 AD

I don't know what you mean by "stolen by the Church" (or why you capitalize the word church)

But yes, the first Christians were basically stolen... Rome told them to convert to Christianity or die... literally... convert or die

They stole the pagan holidays which people already celebrated (Easter and Yule (spring equinox and winter solstice)) in an effort to make the transition easier for the populace

Any questions?

Is there anyone who is naive enough to believe anything you say anymore?

Acts 11:25,26:

Quote

Then Barnabas went to Tarsus to look for Saul, and when he found him, he brought him to Antioch. So for a whole year Barnabas and Saul met with the church and taught great numbers of people. The disciples were called Christians first at Antioch

The flow of words and concepts suggest that they were called Christians right at that time, during the first century A.D. Why would you think that this section of Acts is looking ahead to 330 A.D.?

Acts 14:23:

Quote

Paul and Barnabas appointed elders for them in each church and, with prayer and fasting, committed them to the Lord, in whom they had put their trust.

No structure in the church until 330 A.D.? Acts is from the first century A.D.

All one need do is read the first 10 chapters of Acts to see that there was no command by Rome for anyone in the early Church to convert or die. Rather, it was the Holy Spirit - God Himself - Who touched the hearts of the people and brought them out of the darkness of Jewish legalism to oneness with Himself in the newly formed Church... all within the first century A.D.

I can see why you are upset with all that theology you took in school. You obviously flunked.

The fact that the word appears in the New Testament is not relevant to the discussion... Before Rome adopted Christianity, there were only a handful of people who believed that crap...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constantine_the_Great_and_Christianity

Quote

While the Roman Emperor Constantine the Great reigned (306–337 AD), Christianity began to transition to the dominant religion of the Roman Empire.

Hell, Christianity was illegal until 313AD!

Quote

Edict of Milan

In 313 Constantine and Licinius announced "that it was proper that the Christians and all others should have liberty to follow that mode of religion which to each of them appeared best", thereby granting tolerance to all religions, including Christianity

How much structure do you think an illegal religion had for 300 years?

Do you think they built a church and announced they were doing illegal activities? NO! They would be arrested (and probably killed) for that!

Edit:
It's also worth mentioning that until the 20th century, nobody identified as "christian"... nobody... it did not happen... People identified by their denomination... People called themselves, "Eastern Othodox", or "Quaker", or "Protestant"... not "christian"...

The consolidation of various denominations under the single flag of "christian" is a new concept and only done to make "christian" the #1 religion on the planet... if they were separated by denomination, Muslims would be the top religion... can't have that...

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Quote from: Losvienleg on April 04, 2016, 04:40:16 PM

Stolen by the Church (the institution, not the building, the church) is how you described Christians life. I was never obligated to pay anything to the Church, so I could not say that I was stolen in any way. This was never about the moeny, maybe except in some periods of the Middle-Ages, but the money was reinvested somewhere, so it wasn't a pure robbery.

Because the church doesn't ask for your money? They do every time they have a service... some churches keep records of how much your earn vs how much you tithe, and will have yearly meetings to discuss if you have paid them enough

I suppose all the gold and marble and paintings and precious artifacts in the Vatican were gifts from God?

I don't even know what that pretty blue marble looking stuff is on the wall, but I bet it's as expensive as everything else in that first photo... that is definitely 24k gold, and probably half a ton (seriously)

And for the finale... the Vatican Museum has a "gold room"... covered entirely in gold

What the fuck does the Vatican need all that gold for?

That has to be trillions of dollars worth of gold

I don't know from where you are, but where I live, they never asked me anything. I already went to the Vatican, and yes all this gold is impressive, but that's normal. The Vatican is "God's state". The Church, as the most important and powerful institution in the world, has to be saw as wealthy. The blue walls are made of lapis-lazuli I think.

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Quote from: Losvienleg on April 04, 2016, 04:40:16 PM

Stolen by the Church (the institution, not the building, the church) is how you described Christians life. I was never obligated to pay anything to the Church, so I could not say that I was stolen in any way. This was never about the moeny, maybe except in some periods of the Middle-Ages, but the money was reinvested somewhere, so it wasn't a pure robbery.

Because the church doesn't ask for your money? They do every time they have a service... some churches keep records of how much your earn vs how much you tithe, and will have yearly meetings to discuss if you have paid them enough

I suppose all the gold and marble and paintings and precious artifacts in the Vatican were gifts from God?

I don't even know what that pretty blue marble looking stuff is on the wall, but I bet it's as expensive as everything else in that first photo... that is definitely 24k gold, and probably half a ton (seriously)

And for the finale... the Vatican Museum has a "gold room"... covered entirely in gold

What the fuck does the Vatican need all that gold for?

That has to be trillions of dollars worth of gold

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Quote from: Losvienleg on April 04, 2016, 02:17:04 PM

Quote from: Losvienleg on April 03, 2016, 03:48:45 PM

Quote from: Losvienleg on April 03, 2016, 11:39:34 AM

Quote from: Ol7iveriaus on April 02, 2016, 10:10:19 PM

i think anti god posting should be illegal and punishable too.

Ah... My good old Inquisition, where you burned alive the Jews and the heretics on the public place. You miss me a lot Cry

...

If some dumbass Christian tries to kill me... I'ma try to kill him right back! (lessons learned from watching Firefly/Serenity)

If God is with me, you won't have any chance. I may not even have to do anything, because he could make you die just right now. I would not kill you, because even if you're backward, you seem to have some reflexion power (even if it is misused, it is still here).

Your God does not exist

Some asshole made up a bunch of stories to extort 10% of your money and get you to believe any bullshit they tell you to believe

That's it... That's the big secret of religion... It's all about money and brainwashing people into sheeple

It worked great for 1900+ years when the average person could not read, much less own a bible... They had no choice but to accept the preachers word as Gods word...

A bit of history wouldn't be too much. There was no structurated Chruch like nowadays before a long time after the Birth. Do you think that the million of first Chrisitian were being "stolen" by the Church ? As a religious, I can understand you, but you can't do the same. You can fake an idiot, but this idiot can't do act as a genius

It's difficult to interpret your poor spelling and grammer, but I'll give it a try... It sounds like you want a history lesson

Christianity was not a thing until around 330AD when the Roman Empire adopted Christianity as the official religion... so yeah, there was no "structurated Chruch" [sp] until 330 AD

I don't know what you mean by "stolen by the Church" (or why you capitalize the word church)

But yes, the first Christians were basically stolen... Rome told them to convert to Christianity or die... literally... convert or die

They stole the pagan holidays which people already celebrated (Easter and Yule (spring equinox and winter solstice)) in an effort to make the transition easier for the populace

Any questions?

Is there anyone who is naive enough to believe anything you say anymore?

Acts 11:25,26:

Quote

Then Barnabas went to Tarsus to look for Saul, and when he found him, he brought him to Antioch. So for a whole year Barnabas and Saul met with the church and taught great numbers of people. The disciples were called Christians first at Antioch

The flow of words and concepts suggest that they were called Christians right at that time, during the first century A.D. Why would you think that this section of Acts is looking ahead to 330 A.D.?

Acts 14:23:

Quote

Paul and Barnabas appointed elders for them in each church and, with prayer and fasting, committed them to the Lord, in whom they had put their trust.

No structure in the church until 330 A.D.? Acts is from the first century A.D.

All one need do is read the first 10 chapters of Acts to see that there was no command by Rome for anyone in the early Church to convert or die. Rather, it was the Holy Spirit - God Himself - Who touched the hearts of the people and brought them out of the darkness of Jewish legalism to oneness with Himself in the newly formed Church... all within the first century A.D.

I can see why you are upset with all that theology you took in school. You obviously flunked.

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Quote from: Losvienleg on April 04, 2016, 02:17:04 PM

Quote from: Losvienleg on April 03, 2016, 03:48:45 PM

Quote from: Losvienleg on April 03, 2016, 11:39:34 AM

Quote from: Ol7iveriaus on April 02, 2016, 10:10:19 PM

i think anti god posting should be illegal and punishable too.

Ah... My good old Inquisition, where you burned alive the Jews and the heretics on the public place. You miss me a lot Cry

...

If some dumbass Christian tries to kill me... I'ma try to kill him right back! (lessons learned from watching Firefly/Serenity)

If God is with me, you won't have any chance. I may not even have to do anything, because he could make you die just right now. I would not kill you, because even if you're backward, you seem to have some reflexion power (even if it is misused, it is still here).

Your God does not exist

Some asshole made up a bunch of stories to extort 10% of your money and get you to believe any bullshit they tell you to believe

That's it... That's the big secret of religion... It's all about money and brainwashing people into sheeple

It worked great for 1900+ years when the average person could not read, much less own a bible... They had no choice but to accept the preachers word as Gods word...

A bit of history wouldn't be too much. There was no structurated Chruch like nowadays before a long time after the Birth. Do you think that the million of first Chrisitian were being "stolen" by the Church ? As a religious, I can understand you, but you can't do the same. You can fake an idiot, but this idiot can't do act as a genius

It's difficult to interpret your poor spelling and grammer, but I'll give it a try... It sounds like you want a history lesson

Christianity was not a thing until around 330AD when the Roman Empire adopted Christianity as the official religion... so yeah, there was no "structurated Chruch" [sp] until 330 AD

I don't know what you mean by "stolen by the Church" (or why you capitalize the word church)

But yes, the first Christians were basically stolen... Rome told them to convert to Christianity or die... literally... convert or die

They stole the pagan holidays which people already celebrated (Easter and Yule (spring equinox and winter solstice)) in an effort to make the transition easier for the populace

Any questions?

Stolen by the Church (the institution, not the building, the church) is how you described Christians life. I was never obligated to pay anything to the Church, so I could not say that I was stolen in any way. This was never about the moeny, maybe except in some periods of the Middle-Ages, but the money was reinvested somewhere, so it wasn't a pure robbery.

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Quote from: Losvienleg on April 04, 2016, 02:17:04 PM

Quote from: Losvienleg on April 03, 2016, 03:48:45 PM

Quote from: Losvienleg on April 03, 2016, 11:39:34 AM

Quote from: Ol7iveriaus on April 02, 2016, 10:10:19 PM

i think anti god posting should be illegal and punishable too.

Ah... My good old Inquisition, where you burned alive the Jews and the heretics on the public place. You miss me a lot Cry

...

If some dumbass Christian tries to kill me... I'ma try to kill him right back! (lessons learned from watching Firefly/Serenity)

If God is with me, you won't have any chance. I may not even have to do anything, because he could make you die just right now. I would not kill you, because even if you're backward, you seem to have some reflexion power (even if it is misused, it is still here).

Your God does not exist

Some asshole made up a bunch of stories to extort 10% of your money and get you to believe any bullshit they tell you to believe

That's it... That's the big secret of religion... It's all about money and brainwashing people into sheeple

It worked great for 1900+ years when the average person could not read, much less own a bible... They had no choice but to accept the preachers word as Gods word...

A bit of history wouldn't be too much. There was no structurated Chruch like nowadays before a long time after the Birth. Do you think that the million of first Chrisitian were being "stolen" by the Church ? As a religious, I can understand you, but you can't do the same. You can fake an idiot, but this idiot can't do act as a genius

It's difficult to interpret your poor spelling and grammer, but I'll give it a try... It sounds like you want a history lesson

Christianity was not a thing until around 330AD when the Roman Empire adopted Christianity as the official religion... so yeah, there was no "structurated Chruch" [sp] until 330 AD

I don't know what you mean by "stolen by the Church" (or why you capitalize the word church)

But yes, the first Christians were basically stolen... Rome told them to convert to Christianity or die... literally... convert or die

They stole the pagan holidays which people already celebrated (Easter and Yule (spring equinox and winter solstice)) in an effort to make the transition easier for the populace

Any questions?

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Quote from: Losvienleg on April 03, 2016, 03:48:45 PM