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Quote from: Sithara007 on July 16, 2022, 09:58:17 PM

Quote from: sovie on July 16, 2022, 02:30:42 PM

Well - splitting the fund would not be of any use. It is better if Kenya would show some progress.
However incase the team is not performing well - this would not mean that they should not be supported at all. Maybe in coming days - Kenya team perform better.

Kenya proved that they could play at top level. They reached the semi-finals of the 2003 ODI World Cup. What more proof you want? Rather than funding that country, the ICC actually reduced the funding and cricket in Kenya completely died down in less than a decade. Now they don't even have a proper first class setting. I just hope that the mistake ICC did with Kenya is not repeated with some of the other emerging countries such as Uganda and Tanzania. In case of Namibia, they are not very dependent on ICC funds. There is a large German-Dutch population there, who are financially sound. They have very good cricket infrastructure and first-class system, despite the ICC not contributing to anything.

How can you forget Nepal who is another good cricket side but never received icc attention just because they can't buy expats players ? ICC clearly is giving more preference to teams like Oman and UAE rather then focusing on such teams that are build completely from native players.

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Quote from: sovie on July 16, 2022, 02:30:42 PM

Well - splitting the fund would not be of any use. It is better if Kenya would show some progress.
However incase the team is not performing well - this would not mean that they should not be supported at all. Maybe in coming days - Kenya team perform better.

Kenya proved that they could play at top level. They reached the semi-finals of the 2003 ODI World Cup. What more proof you want? Rather than funding that country, the ICC actually reduced the funding and cricket in Kenya completely died down in less than a decade. Now they don't even have a proper first class setting. I just hope that the mistake ICC did with Kenya is not repeated with some of the other emerging countries such as Uganda and Tanzania. In case of Namibia, they are not very dependent on ICC funds. There is a large German-Dutch population there, who are financially sound. They have very good cricket infrastructure and first-class system, despite the ICC not contributing to anything.

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I used to follow global political during 90s and 2k till the news channels became a circus, so i am sure you will get the information regarding Kenyan politics around that period online. There was match fixing allegations against their key players during 2004 and there was a dispute between the players and the Kenyan Cricket board and the government even dissolved the board during that time if you are not aware of that. Corruption was the main reason and to expect ICC to keep on funding them is ridiculous.

Well... this is new information for me. But even then, I have a few questions. If corruption was the main reason, then why it is not applicable for Zimbabwe? It is estimated that out of the $12,000,000 they receive from the ICC every year, close to 90% is stolen by the corrupt officials. Kenya's funding amounted to around $400,000 in 2004 and now it amounts to $100,000 per year. If both the boards are corrupt, then what is the reason for such big disparity in funding? I don't see any logic in showering Zimbabwe with tens of millions every year, while providing emerging teams such as Uganda or Namibia with less than 1% of that amount.

Few things are happening miserably by ICC and no one can understand what is logic behind this all but still we are talking about this all and trying to understand this all politics which is happening here just for money but still not good for game.

ICC never been a good sports authority we all know, but they are financially very strong which is positive point for them, but they have not fair and good way to spend money for emerging countries which is not good even they can do this all like FIFA is doing around the world and have no issues even they are not allowing Governments to interfere in their way which is good thing, so they also need to be powerful and brave in their decisions which can help this game.

However, we all know that they are not capable of taking powerful and courageous decisions. They are always obliged to depend on the big 4 for any decisions. I like cricket a lot, but I have to say I don’t like the way ICC handles things at all. If the big four is trying to control everything, what is the point of having ICC then?

The things that are happening miserably as a result of their politics. ICC will never be able to come out of this situation and take decisions on its own. It all comes down to that 2007 World Cup where the smaller teams showed a very successful performance, but the revenue was not very lucrative. ICC saw this as an opportunity to make money and the big four saw it as a chance to solidify their position in cricket. So basically, it is like a contract between the ICC and the big four.

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Quote from: laurenB7742 on July 16, 2022, 10:46:15 AM

As far as I remember, ICC really did not want to fund Kenya at all. This is because they did not start league cricket and that’s when it all started sliding downhill for Kenya. A lot of corruption was the main cause of Kenya not being able to compete at that top level of cricket.

And the same is true for the Zimbabwe cricket board but the thing is ICC is still funding them. But if they don’t show significant improvements, I don’t think ICC is planning to fund them for long.

At this point, I also believe that they do not deserve funding because they show no signs of improvement. It would be better to split the funds among the top 10 African teams.

I don't think we have total 10 teams from African continent because as I have watch we have only South Africa, Zimbabwe, Namibia, Uganda and Kenya if we have any better team then please share here because from these just one team is doing good in all three formats and other teams are not having solid infrastructure and other facilities for this game with most chances ICC is also not interested to give them any proper help for developing just because of this now Soccer is main game in this region with the help of FIFA and African confederation which is doing amazing job for the development of soccer.

Here, South Africa can do leading role but due to their inner issues they are also having no good interest so with this all no positive hopes for having any better results from this region.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on July 15, 2022, 04:51:21 AM

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Not sure from where you got this information. There was some turmoil in Zimbabwe, after the players accused the board of corruption. But no such allegation was ever levelled against Kenya. Actually the ICC reduced the funding for Kenya, but kept that of Zimbabwe at the same level. I don't see the point in funding corrupt boards such as Zimbabwe cricket. If that money was divided among the top 10 teams in Africa, then we will be having at least 4-5 quality teams within a decade or so.

I used to follow global political during 90s and 2k till the news channels became a circus, so i am sure you will get the information regarding Kenyan politics around that period online. There was match fixing allegations against their key players during 2004 and there was a dispute between the players and the Kenyan Cricket board and the government even dissolved the board during that time if you are not aware of that. Corruption was the main reason and to expect ICC to keep on funding them is ridiculous.

As far as I remember, ICC really did not want to fund Kenya at all. This is because they did not start league cricket and that’s when it all started sliding downhill for Kenya. A lot of corruption was the main cause of Kenya not being able to compete at that top level of cricket.

And the same is true for the Zimbabwe cricket board but the thing is ICC is still funding them. But if they don’t show significant improvements, I don’t think ICC is planning to fund them for long.

At this point, I also believe that they do not deserve funding because they show no signs of improvement. It would be better to split the funds among the top 10 African teams.

Well - splitting the fund would not be of any use. It is better if Kenya would show some progress.
However incase the team is not performing well - this would not mean that they should not be supported at all. Maybe in coming days - Kenya team perform better.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on July 15, 2022, 04:51:21 AM

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Not sure from where you got this information. There was some turmoil in Zimbabwe, after the players accused the board of corruption. But no such allegation was ever levelled against Kenya. Actually the ICC reduced the funding for Kenya, but kept that of Zimbabwe at the same level. I don't see the point in funding corrupt boards such as Zimbabwe cricket. If that money was divided among the top 10 teams in Africa, then we will be having at least 4-5 quality teams within a decade or so.

I used to follow global political during 90s and 2k till the news channels became a circus, so i am sure you will get the information regarding Kenyan politics around that period online. There was match fixing allegations against their key players during 2004 and there was a dispute between the players and the Kenyan Cricket board and the government even dissolved the board during that time if you are not aware of that. Corruption was the main reason and to expect ICC to keep on funding them is ridiculous.

As far as I remember, ICC really did not want to fund Kenya at all. This is because they did not start league cricket and that’s when it all started sliding downhill for Kenya. A lot of corruption was the main cause of Kenya not being able to compete at that top level of cricket.

And the same is true for the Zimbabwe cricket board but the thing is ICC is still funding them. But if they don’t show significant improvements, I don’t think ICC is planning to fund them for long.

At this point, I also believe that they do not deserve funding because they show no signs of improvement. It would be better to split the funds among the top 10 African teams.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on July 15, 2022, 10:27:05 PM

Quote from: eaLiTy on July 15, 2022, 12:06:24 PM

I used to follow global political during 90s and 2k till the news channels became a circus, so i am sure you will get the information regarding Kenyan politics around that period online. There was match fixing allegations against their key players during 2004 and there was a dispute between the players and the Kenyan Cricket board and the government even dissolved the board during that time if you are not aware of that. Corruption was the main reason and to expect ICC to keep on funding them is ridiculous.

Well... this is new information for me. But even then, I have a few questions. If corruption was the main reason, then why it is not applicable for Zimbabwe? It is estimated that out of the $12,000,000 they receive from the ICC every year, close to 90% is stolen by the corrupt officials. Kenya's funding amounted to around $400,000 in 2004 and now it amounts to $100,000 per year. If both the boards are corrupt, then what is the reason for such big disparity in funding? I don't see any logic in showering Zimbabwe with tens of millions every year, while providing emerging teams such as Uganda or Namibia with less than 1% of that amount.

Few things are happening miserably by ICC and no one can understand what is logic behind this all but still we are talking about this all and trying to understand this all politics which is happening here just for money but still not good for game.

ICC never been a good sports authority we all know, but they are financially very strong which is positive point for them, but they have not fair and good way to spend money for emerging countries which is not good even they can do this all like FIFA is doing around the world and have no issues even they are not allowing Governments to interfere in their way which is good thing, so they also need to be powerful and brave in their decisions which can help this game.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on July 15, 2022, 10:27:05 PM

Well... this is new information for me. But even then, I have a few questions. If corruption was the main reason, then why it is not applicable for Zimbabwe? It is estimated that out of the $12,000,000 they receive from the ICC every year, close to 90% is stolen by the corrupt officials. Kenya's funding amounted to around $400,000 in 2004 and now it amounts to $100,000 per year. If both the boards are corrupt, then what is the reason for such big disparity in funding? I don't see any logic in showering Zimbabwe with tens of millions every year, while providing emerging teams such as Uganda or Namibia with less than 1% of that amount.

That's very unfortunate that such huge money is going waste. Zimbabwe was once a strong team but after the current government took over things are getting worse for Zimbabwe cricket team. If the amount you have mentioned is correct then ICC has every right to ask them.

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Quote from: eaLiTy on July 15, 2022, 12:06:24 PM

I used to follow global political during 90s and 2k till the news channels became a circus, so i am sure you will get the information regarding Kenyan politics around that period online. There was match fixing allegations against their key players during 2004 and there was a dispute between the players and the Kenyan Cricket board and the government even dissolved the board during that time if you are not aware of that. Corruption was the main reason and to expect ICC to keep on funding them is ridiculous.

Well... this is new information for me. But even then, I have a few questions. If corruption was the main reason, then why it is not applicable for Zimbabwe? It is estimated that out of the $12,000,000 they receive from the ICC every year, close to 90% is stolen by the corrupt officials. Kenya's funding amounted to around $400,000 in 2004 and now it amounts to $100,000 per year. If both the boards are corrupt, then what is the reason for such big disparity in funding? I don't see any logic in showering Zimbabwe with tens of millions every year, while providing emerging teams such as Uganda or Namibia with less than 1% of that amount.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on July 11, 2022, 09:58:48 PM

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One thing is sure with current system and approach by B-3 ICC can't be beneficial for this game, and we can't expect any positive change in coming years because this mindset is just having deep pockets and this is filled by IPL, so they are feeling happy and staying with same tactics which are not fruitful for game and fans.

Few decades back ICC were controlled by Australia and England, and they were doing things which give them favor, so we lost few good teams and now these two added a Gold Chick which is filling their money desire, and they have strong hold so most chances we will never been able to have very significant changes in game and system.

I mentioned this before. There is a major difference between ICC and FIFA. ICC is a business minded organization, headed by businessmen. All they care about is revenue generation and profits. They have no interest in spreading the game. On the other hand, FIFA is headed by ex-international players and they are not as greedy as the ICC. They spend most of their revenue in popularizing the game (despite the fact that football is already the most popular sport in the world). Anyway, that is the way things work in cricket. We can't do anything about it.

And that is one of the reasons cricket is limited to a few countries. They want money and they don't actually want to promote cricket.
However footfall is now a global event. People like watching matches - there is so much discussion about informative discussion about fall ball matches.

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Quote from: eaLiTy on July 15, 2022, 02:13:36 AM

Why blame ICC for the debacle in Kenya, are you aware of the political situation during that period, corruption and political changes were happening during that period in Kenya and the political situation were not that great and till 2008, that situation continued affecting everything. So to blame ICC for the political instability which will directly affect all sports is unwarranted Cheesy

. Not sure when Uganda played any significant games at the highest level but Kenya had some good players in the past.

Sometimes I really feel bad for Kenya as they were at top of the game and reach in semifinal of World Cup this was amazing achievement from them, and they have very youngsters those can bring this game in different shape for Kenya but sadly suddenly by the virtue of ICC they lost this all and now having nothing good in this game even out of frame which is the worst. B-4 completely ruin the game in this country with now they are 31st rank in t20, and they are not near in ODI which is surely the worst happened.

They need good help from ICC, but they fail completely with their main cricket ground was also gifted by Sir Agha Khan as he was using this as horse form, just imagine what the hell is going.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on July 15, 2022, 04:51:21 AM

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Not sure from where you got this information. There was some turmoil in Zimbabwe, after the players accused the board of corruption. But no such allegation was ever levelled against Kenya. Actually the ICC reduced the funding for Kenya, but kept that of Zimbabwe at the same level. I don't see the point in funding corrupt boards such as Zimbabwe cricket. If that money was divided among the top 10 teams in Africa, then we will be having at least 4-5 quality teams within a decade or so.

I used to follow global political during 90s and 2k till the news channels became a circus, so i am sure you will get the information regarding Kenyan politics around that period online. There was match fixing allegations against their key players during 2004 and there was a dispute between the players and the Kenyan Cricket board and the government even dissolved the board during that time if you are not aware of that. Corruption was the main reason and to expect ICC to keep on funding them is ridiculous.

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^^^ Africa would have become a power house in cricket. If you remember, back in 2003 World Cup Kenya reached the semi-finals, shocking many of the well established teams. But due to the lack of support from the ICC, they went down from there. ICC funding was reduced for the associate nations, and whatever funding was left, was diverted to teams such as UAE and Oman which packed their team with foreigners. Now Namibia is the only strong team from the continent, apart from the two test nations. Teams such as Kenya and Uganda, which showed a lot of promise previously have become irrelevant.

Why blame ICC for the debacle in Kenya, are you aware of the political situation during that period, corruption and political changes were happening during that period in Kenya and the political situation were not that great and till 2008, that situation continued affecting everything. So to blame ICC for the political instability which will directly affect all sports is unwarranted Cheesy

. Not sure when Uganda played any significant games at the highest level but Kenya had some good players in the past.

Not sure from where you got this information. There was some turmoil in Zimbabwe, after the players accused the board of corruption. But no such allegation was ever levelled against Kenya. Actually the ICC reduced the funding for Kenya, but kept that of Zimbabwe at the same level. I don't see the point in funding corrupt boards such as Zimbabwe cricket. If that money was divided among the top 10 teams in Africa, then we will be having at least 4-5 quality teams within a decade or so.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on July 14, 2022, 10:10:12 PM

^^^ Africa would have become a power house in cricket. If you remember, back in 2003 World Cup Kenya reached the semi-finals, shocking many of the well established teams. But due to the lack of support from the ICC, they went down from there. ICC funding was reduced for the associate nations, and whatever funding was left, was diverted to teams such as UAE and Oman which packed their team with foreigners. Now Namibia is the only strong team from the continent, apart from the two test nations. Teams such as Kenya and Uganda, which showed a lot of promise previously have become irrelevant.

Why blame ICC for the debacle in Kenya, are you aware of the political situation during that period, corruption and political changes were happening during that period in Kenya and the political situation were not that great and till 2008, that situation continued affecting everything. So to blame ICC for the political instability which will directly affect all sports is unwarranted Cheesy

. Not sure when Uganda played any significant games at the highest level but Kenya had some good players in the past.

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^^^ Africa would have become a power house in cricket. If you remember, back in 2003 World Cup Kenya reached the semi-finals, shocking many of the well established teams. But due to the lack of support from the ICC, they went down from there. ICC funding was reduced for the associate nations, and whatever funding was left, was diverted to teams such as UAE and Oman which packed their team with foreigners. Now Namibia is the only strong team from the continent, apart from the two test nations. Teams such as Kenya and Uganda, which showed a lot of promise previously have become irrelevant.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on July 13, 2022, 10:33:21 PM

The ICC doesn't want cricket to feature in events such as Olympics or Commonwealth Games. They claimed that they are working for inclusion in 2028 Olympics, but the IOC rubbished their claim and clarified that the ICC hasn't made any application for inclusion of cricket in 2028. The ICC guys are just fooling the innocent fans. They only care about money and it doesn't matter for them even if cricket remains confined to 4-5 countries in the South Asian region. There was some hope, when Shashank Manohar was there as the chairman. But he is gone now.

Now as we check overall condition of cricket then surely we have the biggest disappointment because in North and South America we have only one team West Indies, and soon it's going down and out with their current performance, and we will have only CPL which will give them some money.

After this Africa it's also having only South Africa and two others are never been quality teams already down and out with South Africa is also changing their priorities and want Franchise cricket in strong position with this all now Europe where only England is having some better system and others teams depended on them just because of this they have advantage.

Australia we have both teams and system in better shape with now in South Asia we have two teams good in quality and three teams struggling which is not good sign mean overall its prospective is not good, and it's not going to be global game in next 10 to 15 years just very few countries will enjoy, and we mostly watch Franchise cricket from IPL, PSL and Gulf as they are also working to kill this

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Quote from: jaberwock on July 13, 2022, 02:10:14 PM

Here no one can do any serious implementation on this game because we all know this is already popular game and having big fan base around the world.

With most chances this will increase in subcontinent and most chances in few other countries but now still need some good things which need to happened for improvement in quality and marketing purpose because they are not working on these things, and we are going to face problems in near future recently we have invitation from commonwealth, but now ICC is only sending women's team which is not helpful even they can talk with other boards, and they were able to send their U-23 teams or A team which was also good for the game and this can open doors for this game, and we can bring some more fans.

The ICC doesn't want cricket to feature in events such as Olympics or Commonwealth Games. They claimed that they are working for inclusion in 2028 Olympics, but the IOC rubbished their claim and clarified that the ICC hasn't made any application for inclusion of cricket in 2028. The ICC guys are just fooling the innocent fans. They only care about money and it doesn't matter for them even if cricket remains confined to 4-5 countries in the South Asian region. There was some hope, when Shashank Manohar was there as the chairman. But he is gone now.

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Quote from: Juggy777 on July 12, 2022, 11:48:28 PM

I don’t understand how do you make a sport like cricket more popular than it already is, and the proof is in the insane bids for IPL advertising rights. Furthermore not all countries like cricket and that’s fine in my personal opinion, and lastly it’s no wonder that ICC is more focused on the big 3 matches as they know their citizens love cricket and it also helps them earn substantial revenues.

Here no one can do any serious implementation on this game because we all know this is already popular game and having big fan base around the world.

With most chances this will increase in subcontinent and most chances in few other countries but now still need some good things which need to happened for improvement in quality and marketing purpose because they are not working on these things, and we are going to face problems in near future recently we have invitation from commonwealth, but now ICC is only sending women's team which is not helpful even they can talk with other boards, and they were able to send their U-23 teams or A team which was also good for the game and this can open doors for this game, and we can bring some more fans.

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There is a major difference between ICC and FIFA. ICC is a business minded organization, headed by businessmen. All they care about is revenue generation and profits. They have no interest in spreading the game. On the other hand, FIFA is headed by ex-international players and they are not as greedy as the ICC. They spend most of their revenue in popularizing the game (despite the fact that football is already the most popular sport in the world). Anyway, that is the way things work in cricket. We can't do anything about it.

Again we have simple point we can't do anything just able to give our views and have some time for talk with each other but still all end at the relative boards as recently we have few good changes with Ganguly is BCCI president and Ramiz Raja is PCB so if other boards also do things like this then surely we can bring few changes in this system because still it's not easy to bring wholesale changes very quickly with this system is in progress for many decades and no one have power to challenge this all.
First two colonial mind boards were head and now with third money making machine is joined them so all is dead and not good enough for this game of cricket.

I believe that ICC is the only hope for all of us cricket fans. Only if ICC takes matters into its own hands and does everything which is needed for the improvement of cricket, we will be able to see cricket getting popular and a lot of countries all around the world be interested in cricket. I have lost all hopes that any cricket board is planning to do anything to help the smaller teams.

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Quote from: Juggy777 on July 12, 2022, 11:48:28 PM

I don’t understand how do you make a sport like cricket more popular than it already is, and the proof is in the insane bids for IPL advertising rights. Furthermore not all countries like cricket and that’s fine in my personal opinion, and lastly it’s no wonder that ICC is more focused on the big 3 matches as they know their citizens love cricket and it also helps them earn substantial revenues.

Cricket is far behind other sports such as football, basketball and rugby in terms of popularity. Just because it is popular in India and Pakistan doesn't mean that cricket can be regarded as one of the most popular sports in the world. For example, FIFA is consisted of 211 national associations. While in cricket we have less than 20 national teams made up of native players. Cricket world cup has a participation of 10 teams. The corresponding figure for football is 48 (from 2026), 32 for basketball, 16 for field hockey, 20 for rugby and 12 for Kabaddi.

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