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Quote from: YinShuiSiYuan on August 22, 2022, 05:26:56 PM

But what's the alternative? There isn't any other solution proposed by any board to replace this non sense DLS. Apart from DLS there are eyebrows on DRS also. Many times board are caught of manipulating the system to have results of there own.

One of the reasons why the BCCI opposed DRS for so long. Previously the Indian team used to get the benefit from umpires, when the matches are being played in India. But with the DRS getting implemented, this advantage evaporated. Still there is a loophole called "umpire's call" which can be manipulated by the home team. I am fully in favor of DRS, but we need to remove this loophole. Otherwise the DRS has done a lot of good things to cricket. Detection of no-ball and reversal of inaccurate decisions help in a big way.

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Quote from: YinShuiSiYuan on August 22, 2022, 05:26:56 PM

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Quote from: YinShuiSiYuan on August 22, 2022, 12:53:42 PM

Its mainly because no one did any effort to replace DLS. Its in place since early 90s and its known for giving surprises. Cricket is an outdoor game thats constantly interrrupted by events like rain, bad lights etc so we need some kind of support But I have to admit that this DLS has not given any support rather giving confusion.

The thing is that DLS has actually been effective in producing fair results majority of the time which is why the ICC decided to simply stick with it even though some fans absolutely detest it.

The same is true when it comes to similar mechanisms in other sports like Soccer etc. Am not expecting any major changes to it anytime soon.

If DLS method was able to produce effective results then everyone would have been happy with it and we would not be discussing changing this system.
The problem is that majority of the people agree that DLS does not produce the best results and gives an unfair sort of advantage to one team over the other.

But what's the alternative? There isn't any other solution proposed by any board to replace this non sense DLS. Apart from DLS there are eyebrows on DRS also. Many times board are caught of manipulating the system to have results of there own.

I don’t believe that DLS will ever be replaced unless the big 3 collectively put in a request, but since they haven’t made any such requests I feel that it’ll continue as it is. Lastly I feel that DLS adds an sense of excitement especially for me, because I know that teams will now have to go out of their way to win and I understand at times it may not be what fans want, but I yet feel it should be retained despite all the negativity surrounding it.

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Quote from: DanWalker on August 23, 2022, 12:51:33 AM

But I think the DLS system has another flaw. Often times it comes into play because of the rain. And many times after a break in play because of rain the cricket pitch does not stay the same as it did before the rain. That usually has a significant effect on the outcome of the match. That is the biggest and most effective flaw in the DNS system. Other than that I think the system is OK.

But as I have said many times, this is the reason why the result becomes unbelievable. I know that it is better than what we had previously and it is actually good, not gonna lie, but I just think there can be something better.

It will be difficult to take these minute details in to account. DLS comes in to play for a variety of reasons, although rain interruption is the most common one. Sometimes it can be due to bad light and other reasons. What I am saying is that I don't see any concrete reason to dump the DLS method and rely on something else. Losing teams may complain, but they need to accept the results and move on. Sometimes you need a bit of luck on your side as well, when you play international cricket.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on August 22, 2022, 10:24:23 PM

Quote from: KennyR on August 22, 2022, 06:04:26 PM

I too have the same thought about DLS method. It is quite fair and effective, maybe in few matches this could've turned the result upside down. Those are exceptions, and as a system it need to be fair functioning all the time. But, technical errors happen in all means. Other than DLS, no effective system is used and the only choice is to share the points between the teams and end the match.

It is surprising to see so many people complaining about the DLS system. It is the best we have at this point. The only draw back is that it doesn't take pitch conditions in to account. For example, the projection will be same irrespective of whether the pitch is a dust bowl with zero support to the pacers, or whether the pitch is a minefield with a lot of support for them. But these small things we need to ignore. DLS is a hundred times better than what we had previously, when South Africa was set a target of 22 runs from 1 ball (1992).

But I think the DLS system has another flaw. Often times it comes into play because of the rain. And many times after a break in play because of rain the cricket pitch does not stay the same as it did before the rain. That usually has a significant effect on the outcome of the match. That is the biggest and most effective flaw in the DNS system. Other than that I think the system is OK.

But as I have said many times, this is the reason why the result becomes unbelievable. I know that it is better than what we had previously and it is actually good, not gonna lie, but I just think there can be something better.

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Quote from: KennyR on August 22, 2022, 06:04:26 PM

I too have the same thought about DLS method. It is quite fair and effective, maybe in few matches this could've turned the result upside down. Those are exceptions, and as a system it need to be fair functioning all the time. But, technical errors happen in all means. Other than DLS, no effective system is used and the only choice is to share the points between the teams and end the match.

It is surprising to see so many people complaining about the DLS system. It is the best we have at this point. The only draw back is that it doesn't take pitch conditions in to account. For example, the projection will be same irrespective of whether the pitch is a dust bowl with zero support to the pacers, or whether the pitch is a minefield with a lot of support for them. But these small things we need to ignore. DLS is a hundred times better than what we had previously, when South Africa was set a target of 22 runs from 1 ball (1992).

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Quote from: Haunebu on August 22, 2022, 01:39:04 PM

Quote from: YinShuiSiYuan on August 22, 2022, 12:53:42 PM

Its mainly because no one did any effort to replace DLS. Its in place since early 90s and its known for giving surprises. Cricket is an outdoor game thats constantly interrrupted by events like rain, bad lights etc so we need some kind of support But I have to admit that this DLS has not given any support rather giving confusion.

The thing is that DLS has actually been effective in producing fair results majority of the time which is why the ICC decided to simply stick with it even though some fans absolutely detest it.

The same is true when it comes to similar mechanisms in other sports like Soccer etc. Am not expecting any major changes to it anytime soon.

I too have the same thought about DLS method. It is quite fair and effective, maybe in few matches this could've turned the result upside down. Those are exceptions, and as a system it need to be fair functioning all the time. But, technical errors happen in all means. Other than DLS, no effective system is used and the only choice is to share the points between the teams and end the match.

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Quote from: noormcs5 on August 22, 2022, 02:39:17 PM

Quote from: Haunebu on August 22, 2022, 01:39:04 PM

Quote from: YinShuiSiYuan on August 22, 2022, 12:53:42 PM

Its mainly because no one did any effort to replace DLS. Its in place since early 90s and its known for giving surprises. Cricket is an outdoor game thats constantly interrrupted by events like rain, bad lights etc so we need some kind of support But I have to admit that this DLS has not given any support rather giving confusion.

The thing is that DLS has actually been effective in producing fair results majority of the time which is why the ICC decided to simply stick with it even though some fans absolutely detest it.

The same is true when it comes to similar mechanisms in other sports like Soccer etc. Am not expecting any major changes to it anytime soon.

If DLS method was able to produce effective results then everyone would have been happy with it and we would not be discussing changing this system.
The problem is that majority of the people agree that DLS does not produce the best results and gives an unfair sort of advantage to one team over the other.

But what's the alternative? There isn't any other solution proposed by any board to replace this non sense DLS. Apart from DLS there are eyebrows on DRS also. Many times board are caught of manipulating the system to have results of there own.

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Quote from: Haunebu on August 22, 2022, 01:39:04 PM

Quote from: YinShuiSiYuan on August 22, 2022, 12:53:42 PM

Its mainly because no one did any effort to replace DLS. Its in place since early 90s and its known for giving surprises. Cricket is an outdoor game thats constantly interrrupted by events like rain, bad lights etc so we need some kind of support But I have to admit that this DLS has not given any support rather giving confusion.

The thing is that DLS has actually been effective in producing fair results majority of the time which is why the ICC decided to simply stick with it even though some fans absolutely detest it.

The same is true when it comes to similar mechanisms in other sports like Soccer etc. Am not expecting any major changes to it anytime soon.

If DLS method was able to produce effective results then everyone would have been happy with it and we would not be discussing changing this system.
The problem is that majority of the people agree that DLS does not produce the best results and gives an unfair sort of advantage to one team over the other.

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Quote from: noormcs5 on August 22, 2022, 10:50:22 AM

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Quote from: virasog on August 20, 2022, 09:01:28 AM

Do we have any other method instead of DLS to determine the results of rain-delayed or rain affected matches ?
If there is no alternative available then i am afraid we have no option but to keep using this DLS method to determine the result of the matches.
If you say that DLS method decisions are not good but keep in mind they are for both teams and not just applicable to one team.

Yes, I know that but we have also come a long way and that technology has also improved a lot. So, I believe there should have been another system in place of the DLS system. I agree that we don’t have anything better right now than the DLS system. However, anything that gets old is bound to become obsolete. So, I really hope that there will be something to replace this system. But with the updated system, there will be new problems. And I don’t know if ICC has anything planned about it but if they are looking to try something else from now on, I believe it’s probably going to be too late.

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I wonder from where ICC found this DLS method to implement in the cricket matches.

For all these years, everyone is complaining about this DLS method but there have been no efforts to change it or revise it. Why does ICC never give a thought to this or they are happy with the DLS results Huh

Actually I am not support the DLS method. Although this method is more dynamic than before, I think it's best to keep reserve days for absolute clarity. The DLS method has some disadvantages. However, reserve day is not possible due to logistics support and schedule disruption. As a result, public opinion is high on this method.

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I just wanted to say that it's not everybody that predict the match of cricket because cricket game is not well known in every country that is why I don't see some people are getting or taking cricket game very serious like other games. I believe that we have to take the one we know very serious like me I don't know anything concerning cricket but I would like it a situation whereby I will know how to predict cricket

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Quote from: YinShuiSiYuan on August 22, 2022, 12:53:42 PM

Its mainly because no one did any effort to replace DLS. Its in place since early 90s and its known for giving surprises. Cricket is an outdoor game thats constantly interrrupted by events like rain, bad lights etc so we need some kind of support But I have to admit that this DLS has not given any support rather giving confusion.

The thing is that DLS has actually been effective in producing fair results majority of the time which is why the ICC decided to simply stick with it even though some fans absolutely detest it.

The same is true when it comes to similar mechanisms in other sports like Soccer etc. Am not expecting any major changes to it anytime soon.

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Quote from: noormcs5 on August 22, 2022, 10:50:22 AM

I wonder from where ICC found this DLS method to implement in the cricket matches.

For all these years, everyone is complaining about this DLS method but there have been no efforts to change it or revise it. Why does ICC never give a thought to this or they are happy with the DLS results Huh

Its mainly because no one did any effort to replace DLS. Its in place since early 90s and its known for giving surprises. Cricket is an outdoor game thats constantly interrrupted by events like rain, bad lights etc so we need some kind of support But I have to admit that this DLS has not given any support rather giving confusion.

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Quote from: Smack That Ace on August 20, 2022, 12:12:33 PM

Quote from: virasog on August 20, 2022, 09:01:28 AM

Do we have any other method instead of DLS to determine the results of rain-delayed or rain affected matches ?
If there is no alternative available then i am afraid we have no option but to keep using this DLS method to determine the result of the matches.
If you say that DLS method decisions are not good but keep in mind they are for both teams and not just applicable to one team.

Yes, I know that but we have also come a long way and that technology has also improved a lot. So, I believe there should have been another system in place of the DLS system. I agree that we don’t have anything better right now than the DLS system. However, anything that gets old is bound to become obsolete. So, I really hope that there will be something to replace this system. But with the updated system, there will be new problems. And I don’t know if ICC has anything planned about it but if they are looking to try something else from now on, I believe it’s probably going to be too late.

Thank you

duke

I wonder from where ICC found this DLS method to implement in the cricket matches.

For all these years, everyone is complaining about this DLS method but there have been no efforts to change it or revise it. Why does ICC never give a thought to this or they are happy with the DLS results Huh

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Quote from: YinShuiSiYuan on August 21, 2022, 01:10:24 PM

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ICC does not care about any kind of good or bad decisions. Because they have a secret relationship with some boards. Any agreement they make is confidentially mutual with those boards. But gradually many things are becoming clear. Hopefully, this corruption may decrease in the future.

Right now, ICC is surely caring alone about B-4 which is clearly mean they are not going to give up with their this corrupt system here only one solution is possible and that is if other boards feeling uncomfortable with this all they leave this ICC and try to manage by their own or threat to quite ICC if they have enough sources then surely ICC will do something positive for development of this, but sadly this is also having very small chance of success because most of the other boards are relatively not strong enough for managing this all which is another issue here. With this all most chances we are surely not going to have any revolutionary change in this all in near future because IPL is giving enough money to BCCI which is giving to England, South Africa, Australia and New Zealand so these all are living happily which is enough for them and their strong control on this game, and it's all system which is surely decreasing teams with native players.

I am sure that with such policies cricket will lose its charm in coming few years. As new team are not joining in so it will be difficult to attract large audience for WC of 8 teams. But Big-3 monopoly is that new teams must not be allowed to join in. So thats why we have only few teams so far in the ICC pool.

I believe that once the money begins flowing from the other cricket boards, and the other cricket boards will no longer be dependent upon bigger cricket boards for their help, this situation will change as soon. However, that has already happened, and it will be very difficult for them to be able to come out of that situation in the future.

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Quote from: dezoel on August 21, 2022, 01:05:30 PM

Quote from: GigaBit on August 21, 2022, 12:14:52 AM

ICC does not care about any kind of good or bad decisions. Because they have a secret relationship with some boards. Any agreement they make is confidentially mutual with those boards. But gradually many things are becoming clear. Hopefully, this corruption may decrease in the future.

Right now, ICC is surely caring alone about B-4 which is clearly mean they are not going to give up with their this corrupt system here only one solution is possible and that is if other boards feeling uncomfortable with this all they leave this ICC and try to manage by their own or threat to quite ICC if they have enough sources then surely ICC will do something positive for development of this, but sadly this is also having very small chance of success because most of the other boards are relatively not strong enough for managing this all which is another issue here.

With this all most chances we are surely not going to have any revolutionary change in this all in near future because IPL is giving enough money to BCCI which is giving to England, South Africa, Australia and New Zealand so these all are living happily which is enough for them and their strong control on this game, and it's all system which is surely decreasing teams with native players.

I am sure that with such policies cricket will lose its charm in coming few years. As new team are not joining in so it will be difficult to attract large audience for WC of 8 teams. But Big-3 monopoly is that new teams must not be allowed to join in. So thats why we have only few teams so far in the ICC pool.

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Quote from: GigaBit on August 21, 2022, 12:14:52 AM

ICC does not care about any kind of good or bad decisions. Because they have a secret relationship with some boards. Any agreement they make is confidentially mutual with those boards. But gradually many things are becoming clear. Hopefully, this corruption may decrease in the future.

Right now, ICC is surely caring alone about B-4 which is clearly mean they are not going to give up with their this corrupt system here only one solution is possible and that is if other boards feeling uncomfortable with this all they leave this ICC and try to manage by their own or threat to quite ICC if they have enough sources then surely ICC will do something positive for development of this, but sadly this is also having very small chance of success because most of the other boards are relatively not strong enough for managing this all which is another issue here.

With this all most chances we are surely not going to have any revolutionary change in this all in near future because IPL is giving enough money to BCCI which is giving to England, South Africa, Australia and New Zealand so these all are living happily which is enough for them and their strong control on this game, and it's all system which is surely decreasing teams with native players.

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Quote from: GigaBit on August 21, 2022, 12:14:52 AM

Quote from: rugrats on August 20, 2022, 11:40:09 PM

ICC does not care about any kind of good or bad decisions. Because they have a secret relationship with some boards. Any agreement they make is confidentially mutual with those boards. But gradually many things are becoming clear. Hopefully, this corruption may decrease in the future.

The corruption is not going to decrease. Unless there are some big changes in the personnel of the ICC. And I don’t think that is going to happen soon. And at this point, everyone already knows that ICC does not care about cricket. They just care about money and as long as the money is flowing they don’t have any problems. And that is the reason why the cricket boards Which can bring in a good amount of money are the dearest to ICC. If you cannot bring “amount of money you will not get as much help from the ICC as the other teams or cricket boards generally get.

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Quote from: darewaller on August 20, 2022, 01:23:41 PM

As Indian Captain and then as BCCI President, both times he fails completely and never been a revolutionary man for this game. As we were expecting good changes in ICC for better quality and system we need a good person with good heart, and now I am feeling we have Sangakara if he came and done something and system allow him for these changes.

He simply turned out to be just another puppet who was manipulated by powerful individuals on top, but this is what happened to the majority of BCCI presidents before him which is why this isn't really surprising.

Quote from: tomos81 on August 20, 2022, 09:52:16 PM

An event as big as the World Cup is too small to host only ten countries If we look at football world cup we will see that in football world cup many countries participate but not so in case of cricket A long time ago, I used to see that many countries participated in the World Cup in cricket. Currently most of the countries have learned from cricket, I think if they were taken care of then maybe cricket would never have been lost in those countries. I hope ICC will look into this matter and organize a big tournament like World Cup with more countries.

FIFA is on another level when compared to the ICC which is why there are big differences between their respective World Cups. However, Cricket World Cups are usually quite entertaining despite the small number of international teams.

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Quote from: rugrats on August 20, 2022, 11:40:09 PM

Quote from: Sithara007 on August 20, 2022, 09:27:28 PM

Unlike FIFA, the voting rights in ICC is skewed and favors the pig-4. In FIFA, each of the 211 national associations have equal voting powers. But in the ICC, there are only 3 votes allotted to the ~100 associate nations. On top of that the test nations outside pig-4 are not united and are dependent on boards such as BCCI and ECB for bilateral tours. Another issue is that 80% of the associate boards are fake, solely composed of foreigners with no representation from the natives. These people tend to be pro-BCCI and corrupt.

I also think that I can say that in the ICC corruption runs very deep and that statement is not gonna be very wrong. ICC could have gotten out of this situation if they did not have so many corrupt personnel. And some personnel in the ICC have direct contact and good relations with the personnel of certain boards. So for obvious reasons, those cricket birds are going to be favored heavily instead of the others. And most of the associate teams are just some jokes because you cannot form a national team without having one native player. If you think you really don’t have any other option instead of making a team without a single native player you don’t need to or deserve to play cricket.

ICC does not care about any kind of good or bad decisions. Because they have a secret relationship with some boards. Any agreement they make is confidentially mutual with those boards. But gradually many things are becoming clear. Hopefully, this corruption may decrease in the future.

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Quote from: rugrats on August 20, 2022, 11:40:09 PM

I also think that I can say that in the ICC corruption runs very deep and that statement is not gonna be very wrong. ICC could have gotten out of this situation if they did not have so many corrupt personnel. And some personnel in the ICC have direct contact and good relations with the personnel of certain boards. So for obvious reasons, those cricket birds are going to be favored heavily instead of the others. And most of the associate teams are just some jokes because you cannot form a national team without having one native player. If you think you really don’t have any other option instead of making a team without a single native player you don’t need to or deserve to play cricket.

Its nothing new ICC is controlled by big 3 and its mandatory for ICC administration to have good relations with big 3 otherwise they will be replaced. Teams like Oman and UAE dont have a single native player and ICC have no objection in this matter that both countries have teams that dont have even a single player.

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