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Quote from: wiss19 on July 08, 2022, 12:42:21 PM

With regard now I am feeling ICC can go through like FIFA if they want to secure this game of cricket and surely this is going to increase their revenue as well just stop this ODI drama because this is waste of time nothing positive going to happen with this in near future and Champions Trophy is also dead idea which is having not good impact on game mean this is going to be good with this all T-20 after every two years and WTC is also needed to be with same passage like two years surely going to be good for them and all other members.

If FIFA can give WC to Qatar then surely we can also do this T-20 WC to every country, and it's going to increase some good revenue of this country and ICC as well. Just take some positive steps and change this all crap calendar for better future of game with T-20 and WTC is enough for us with T-20 is going to be 16 teams event which will help for improve of quality.

The problem is FIFA is not controlled by a certain number of teams. FIFA is the one who decides what is going to happen in football. But in cricket, every decision that ICC takes is influenced by the big 4. But I think If ICC wants, they can change and they will be able to assert dominance over all the teams quite quickly. ICC needs to make substantial plans for cricket going forward. And also include cricket in the Olympics. Cricket is never going to have popularity like football but it can certainly improve.

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Quote from: JSRAW on July 08, 2022, 08:31:42 AM

Quote from: Sithara007 on July 07, 2022, 07:04:34 PM

Quote from: CryptoYar on July 07, 2022, 05:39:06 AM

We all know that most of the revenue of International Cricket council comes from India whether it is 70%-80 or 90% India should get a bigger share out of this, but the International Cricket Council should not behave like hired ***

I don't agree with this logic. In sports such as football and baseball, the vast majority of the revenues come from Europe and the US. But that doesn't give them access to a larger share of funds. They get as much funds as everyone else receive. So why an exception should be given for cricket. And this argument came up only during the Srinivasan-Pawar years. Before that, the revenue distribution of the ICC used to be very uniform for all the countries. But at the same time, there is no point in providing Zimbabwe with the same amount of funds as that for India.

How many WC/ Tourney does FIFA have in comparison to ICC?

ICC have 10 tournament in this decade and WTC is not included.
2022 T-20 WC
2023 ODI WC
2024 T-20 WC
2025 Champions Trophy
2026 T-20 WC
2027 ODI WC
2028 T-20 WC
2029 Champions Trophy
2030 T-20 WC
2021 Champions Trophy

ICC can have 1 WC every 4 years and then they could follow FIFA type system, if not then it's not fair and might look like a new form of colonization.

In football, we can see that the main competition among the four years is club competition and cricket is obviously different. Because in cricket international competition is mainstream. Club cricket is an exceptional one.

That's why the IPL has a lot of popularity. So, if ICC wants to have 1 world cup every 4 years it is going to cause a lot of problems. In addition, they are also not going to get the revenue that they do from the other tournaments. A lot of smaller teams will also not get the chance to showcase their talent on bigger stages.

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Quote from: YinShuiSiYuan on July 09, 2022, 01:17:18 PM

Quote from: GigaBit on July 09, 2022, 08:04:01 AM

INDIA vs ENGLAND
England did not perform well in the last T20 match. They lost all their wickets in 149 runs. However, many are speculating that though their batting side is comparatively good but bowling action is not good enough against India . Where India also wants to defeat their bowling. In the 2nd T20 match England can defeat India? However, there will have another T20 match soon. Let's see what happens to them.

You can discuss this T20I match in T20 and T20I cricket prediction and discussion.

Quote from: Sithara007 on July 09, 2022, 04:55:02 AM

Anyway, I agree with the argument that it is very difficult to compare these two sports bodies. There is hardly any similarity, in terms of style of functioning and administration.

Cricket is a game that is hijacked by big 3 countries and there is no roam for small boards and associate teams here. While FIFA is quite matured and decentralized federation. We cant compare these two federations, at least for a decade.

Agree with you and ask a question, Is the ICC getting the same freedom as FIFA? The answer is very simple, “No”. Many people think that ICC is being regulated by some big countries. However, such allegations against a large organization is not desirable in anyway. I think it is a big threat to cricket world. We want it to become an independent organization. Though it is not possible for icc to take the position like FIFA but have the possibility to get the reliable position.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on July 09, 2022, 04:55:02 AM

OK.. still the number is higher with FIFA. I can list these ones:

1. FIFA World Cup
2. FIFA World Cup qualifiers
3. Confederations Cup
4. Olympic Games football competition
5. Olympic qualifiers

Anyway, I agree with the argument that it is very difficult to compare these two sports bodies. There is hardly any similarity, in terms of style of functioning and administration.

Here again main problem is mind set in FIFA and other sports authorities we have all members living with equal power and no one can black mail other members even recently we have few corruption news in FIFA and IOC but still these all are doing much better work but here in ICC we have personal likes and dislikes and few other political factors which are playing role for stopping things settle in positive way.

All members accept decisions from relative committees doing their positive role for bringing more attraction in game but in ICC they never do anything which help all members mostly favoring B-4 is having big impact on negativity of this game. If they want to do changes then foremost give equal power to all members and increase strength of these members between 16 and 20 is acceptable and then bring rules which could be acceptable for all, hopefully we will grow quickly.

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Quote from: GigaBit on July 09, 2022, 08:04:01 AM

INDIA vs ENGLAND
England did not perform well in the last T20 match. They lost all their wickets in 149 runs. However, many are speculating that though their batting side is comparatively good but bowling action is not good enough against India . Where India also wants to defeat their bowling. In the 2nd T20 match England can defeat India? However, there will have another T20 match soon. Let's see what happens to them.

You can discuss this T20I match in T20 and T20I cricket prediction and discussion.

Quote from: Sithara007 on July 09, 2022, 04:55:02 AM

Anyway, I agree with the argument that it is very difficult to compare these two sports bodies. There is hardly any similarity, in terms of style of functioning and administration.

Cricket is a game that is hijacked by big 3 countries and there is no roam for small boards and associate teams here. While FIFA is quite matured and decentralized federation. We cant compare these two federations, at least for a decade.

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INDIA vs ENGLAND
England did not perform well in the last T20 match. They lost all their wickets in 149 runs. However, many are speculating that though their batting side is comparatively good but bowling action is not good enough against India . Where India also wants to defeat their bowling. In the 2nd T20 match England can defeat India? However, there will have another T20 match soon. Let's see what happens to them.

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Quote from: JSRAW on July 08, 2022, 11:38:09 AM

Point taken.

Having said that i guess i should've said WC only and not Tournaments (regional tournaments) because i like to believe that they don't share "X" regional tournament revenue to "Y" regional Tournament, unless it's WC.

OK.. still the number is higher with FIFA. I can list these ones:

1. FIFA World Cup
2. FIFA World Cup qualifiers
3. Confederations Cup
4. Olympic Games football competition
5. Olympic qualifiers

Anyway, I agree with the argument that it is very difficult to compare these two sports bodies. There is hardly any similarity, in terms of style of functioning and administration.

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Quote from: JSRAW on July 08, 2022, 08:31:42 AM

ICC have 10 tournament in this decade and WTC is not included.

2022 T-20 WC
2023 ODI WC
2024 T-20 WC
2025 Champions Trophy
2026 T-20 WC
2027 ODI WC
2028 T-20 WC
2029 Champions Trophy
2030 T-20 WC
2021 Champions Trophy

ICC can have 1 WC every 4 years and then they could follow FIFA type system, if not then it's not fair and might look like a new form of colonization.

With regard now I am feeling ICC can go through like FIFA if they want to secure this game of cricket and surely this is going to increase their revenue as well just stop this ODI drama because this is waste of time nothing positive going to happen with this in near future and Champions Trophy is also dead idea which is having not good impact on game mean this is going to be good with this all T-20 after every two years and WTC is also needed to be with same passage like two years surely going to be good for them and all other members.

If FIFA can give WC to Qatar then surely we can also do this T-20 WC to every country, and it's going to increase some good revenue of this country and ICC as well. Just take some positive steps and change this all crap calendar for better future of game with T-20 and WTC is enough for us with T-20 is going to be 16 teams event which will help for improve of quality.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on July 08, 2022, 11:07:39 AM

Quote from: JSRAW on July 08, 2022, 08:31:42 AM

How many WC/ Tourney does FIFA have in comparison to ICC?

OK.. you have listed 3 tournaments organized by the ICC: ODI World Cup, T20 World Cup and Champions Trophy. On the other hand, FIFA and the regional confederations organize the following tournaments:

1. FIFA World Cup
2. FIFA World Cup qualifiers (where everyone need to take part aside from the hosts)
3. Euro Cup
4. Confederations Cup
5. Copa America
6. Olympic Games football competition
7. OFC Nations Cup
8. CONCACAF Gold Cup
9. AFC Asian Cup
10. Africa Cup of Nations
11. African Nations Championship
12. FIFA Arab Cup
13. UEFA Nations League
14. CONCACAF Nations League
15. AFF Championship

I can list dozens more.. but don't want the post to be too spammy.

Point taken.

Having said that i guess i should've said WC only and not Tournaments (regional tournaments) because i like to believe that they don't share "X" regional tournament revenue to "Y" regional Tournament, unless it's WC.

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Quote from: JSRAW on July 08, 2022, 08:31:42 AM

How many WC/ Tourney does FIFA have in comparison to ICC?

OK.. you have listed 3 tournaments organized by the ICC: ODI World Cup, T20 World Cup and Champions Trophy. On the other hand, FIFA and the regional confederations organize the following tournaments:

1. FIFA World Cup
2. FIFA World Cup qualifiers (where everyone need to take part aside from the hosts)
3. Euro Cup
4. Confederations Cup
5. Copa America
6. Olympic Games football competition
7. OFC Nations Cup
8. CONCACAF Gold Cup
9. AFC Asian Cup
10. Africa Cup of Nations
11. African Nations Championship
12. FIFA Arab Cup
13. UEFA Nations League
14. CONCACAF Nations League
15. AFF Championship

I can list dozens more.. but don't want the post to be too spammy.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on July 07, 2022, 07:04:34 PM

Quote from: CryptoYar on July 07, 2022, 05:39:06 AM

We all know that most of the revenue of International Cricket council comes from India whether it is 70%-80 or 90% India should get a bigger share out of this, but the International Cricket Council should not behave like hired ***

I don't agree with this logic. In sports such as football and baseball, the vast majority of the revenues come from Europe and the US. But that doesn't give them access to a larger share of funds. They get as much funds as everyone else receive. So why an exception should be given for cricket. And this argument came up only during the Srinivasan-Pawar years. Before that, the revenue distribution of the ICC used to be very uniform for all the countries. But at the same time, there is no point in providing Zimbabwe with the same amount of funds as that for India.

How many WC/ Tourney does FIFA have in comparison to ICC?

ICC have 10 tournament in this decade and WTC is not included.

2022 T-20 WC
2023 ODI WC
2024 T-20 WC
2025 Champions Trophy
2026 T-20 WC
2027 ODI WC
2028 T-20 WC
2029 Champions Trophy
2030 T-20 WC
2021 Champions Trophy

ICC can have 1 WC every 4 years and then they could follow FIFA type system, if not then it's not fair and might look like a new form of colonization.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on July 06, 2022, 09:34:32 PM

Quote from: CryptoBuds on July 06, 2022, 06:31:34 PM

^^

FIFA is mostly managed by former players. In case of the ICC, and for most of the national boards, they are being managed by people with hardly any connection with cricket. For around 10-15 years, the BCCI was dominated by businessman N Srinivasan and politician Sharad Pawar. These two were the first to propose the big-3 system to distribute revenues. Now the system has improved slightly, because Sourav Ganguly is the head of BCCI. But many of the state associations in India are still being managed by politicians.

^ The big three systems have to be changed otherwise cricket is not going to prosper in the long run. ICC has to assert dominance over all the teams equally and they should be able to improve the quality of the smaller teams as well. Additionally, the big three do not help the smaller teams at all in order to retain their dominance in the ICC. It is also the ICC that is responsible for the problem because they are not changing the system, they are not even trying. ICC needs to post cricket to be in the Olympics. That is going to be the most relevant target because that is most likely to bring attention from a lot of countries that do not play cricket regularly.

Quote from: CryptoYar on July 07, 2022, 05:39:06 AM

Umm, big-4 in my opinion!

^ Equal votes should be the system for everyone because that is going to be better in the long run and every team is likely to be equally influential. Just like the system that we have in FIFA. Giving any team a little more power is liable to cost them abusing that power. So, ICC must take steps to change these problems that we currently have in cricket and also try to get cricket included in the Olympics.

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Quote from: CryptoYar on July 07, 2022, 05:39:06 AM

We all know that most of the revenue of International Cricket council comes from India whether it is 70%-80 or 90% India should get a bigger share out of this, but the International Cricket Council should not behave like hired ***

I don't agree with this logic. In sports such as football and baseball, the vast majority of the revenues come from Europe and the US. But that doesn't give them access to a larger share of funds. They get as much funds as everyone else receive. So why an exception should be given for cricket. And this argument came up only during the Srinivasan-Pawar years. Before that, the revenue distribution of the ICC used to be very uniform for all the countries. But at the same time, there is no point in providing Zimbabwe with the same amount of funds as that for India.

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Quote from: Webetcoins on July 06, 2022, 02:20:45 PM

[...]otherwise it's going to be more troubles in near future and nothing positive can happen with current situation.

I agree with you, otherwise, cricket will be limited to simply a few countries (big- 4 or top 10)

Quote from: Webetcoins on July 06, 2022, 02:20:45 PM

ICC need to be like FIFA or any other sports authority which giving equal rights to all nations and if India wants big share then surely they can give them in financial not in any other case ~

Damn again I gotta agree with you Cheesy

We all know that most of the revenue of International Cricket council comes from India whether it is 70%-80 or 90% India should get a bigger share out of this, but the International Cricket Council should not behave like hired ***

Quote from: CryptoBuds on July 06, 2022, 06:31:34 PM

[...]They just care about what is happening in the top 10 and especially abide by every word of the top four, or should I say big 4? ICC leaves no stone unturned to make the smaller teams feel inferior compared to the other big teams.

Umm, big-4 in my opinion!

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England vs India T20 tonight and England are favs to win at this moment but the odds are very close. I personally think England should be winning the match. India are on a 4 match unbeaten streak in T20 but against lesser teams like Ireland and South Africa. Even the South African series turned into a draw 2-2 with the final match being abandoned due to bad weather.

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Quote from: CryptoBuds on July 06, 2022, 06:31:34 PM

^^ ICC is absolutely the opposite of FIFA. FIFA always tries to make all the teams feel important and they try to make sure that every team has their say in whatever is happening, they are also trying to get better and eventually get better really quick.

But in the case of ICC, it is absolutely the opposite. They just care about what is happening in the top 10 and especially abide by every word of the top four, or should I say big 4? ICC leaves no stone unturned to make the smaller teams feel inferior compared to the other big teams.

FIFA is mostly managed by former players. In case of the ICC, and for most of the national boards, they are being managed by people with hardly any connection with cricket. For around 10-15 years, the BCCI was dominated by businessman N Srinivasan and politician Sharad Pawar. These two were the first to propose the big-3 system to distribute revenues. Now the system has improved slightly, because Sourav Ganguly is the head of BCCI. But many of the state associations in India are still being managed by politicians.

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Quote from: CryptoYar on July 06, 2022, 12:56:04 AM

The purpose of this organization was to ensure that all cricket teams have equal rights, but quite literally they've failed to do so.

LOL... that will never happen. Take FIFA for example. All the 211 national associations are having equal votes. World champions Brazil and Argentina have the same voting rights as tiny pacific island of Nauru. But in case of ICC, the voting rights are not equal. The 90 plus associate nations have combined 3 votes, while each of the test nations are having 1 vote each. And the pig4 nations have more than 4 votes combined, because usually the chairman and some other voting members are their proxies.

With due respect I read many pages here on this thread and also check few other things as well now understanding main problem is ICC and B-4 in progress of cricket if these settled and have same rights like associates then surely we can bring some revolutionary changes otherwise it's going to be more troubles in near future and nothing positive can happen with current situation.

ICC need to be like FIFA or any other sports authority which giving equal rights to all nations and if India wants big share then surely they can give them in financial not in any other case because for me, it's their right with having more than 75% revenue coming from their territory. ICC's B-4 also need to understand this all and bring some better changes which will help them as well.

^^ ICC is absolutely the opposite of FIFA. FIFA always tries to make all the teams feel important and they try to make sure that every team has their say in whatever is happening, they are also trying to get better and eventually get better really quick.

But in the case of ICC, it is absolutely the opposite. They just care about what is happening in the top 10 and especially abide by every word of the top four, or should I say big 4? ICC leaves no stone unturned to make the smaller teams feel inferior compared to the other big teams.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on July 06, 2022, 03:10:33 AM

Quote from: CryptoYar on July 06, 2022, 12:56:04 AM

The purpose of this organization was to ensure that all cricket teams have equal rights, but quite literally they've failed to do so.

LOL... that will never happen. Take FIFA for example. All the 211 national associations are having equal votes. World champions Brazil and Argentina have the same voting rights as tiny pacific island of Nauru. But in case of ICC, the voting rights are not equal. The 90 plus associate nations have combined 3 votes, while each of the test nations are having 1 vote each. And the pig4 nations have more than 4 votes combined, because usually the chairman and some other voting members are their proxies.

With due respect I read many pages here on this thread and also check few other things as well now understanding main problem is ICC and B-4 in progress of cricket if these settled and have same rights like associates then surely we can bring some revolutionary changes otherwise it's going to be more troubles in near future and nothing positive can happen with current situation.

ICC need to be like FIFA or any other sports authority which giving equal rights to all nations and if India wants big share then surely they can give them in financial not in any other case because for me, it's their right with having more than 75% revenue coming from their territory. ICC's B-4 also need to understand this all and bring some better changes which will help them as well.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on July 05, 2022, 09:43:49 PM

Quote from: fuguebtc on July 05, 2022, 11:21:03 AM

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The ICC is currently under the control of the big-4. When Shashank Manohar was the chairman, he was very supportive of the smaller boards. But then, the big-4 managed to install their nominee (a businessmen called Greg Barclay) as the chairman. As soon as he became the chairman, the process for inclusion of cricket in 2028 Olympics got stuck and the application was not made on time. Now it is clear that cricket won't be a part of the 2028 Olympics. Barclay came up with a statement, claiming that he is interested in the inclusion of cricket for the 2032 Olympics. As we all know, he will find some excuse to delay it further.

The problem with ICC is that they don't have any balls, to be honest. They cannot do what they are supposed to because they don't have the authority over all the teams that they should have as a cricket sports body. And that is not going to change for a long time because if you give them the power that you should have had, they are not going to give that power back to you anytime soon.

This will be a big problem for the smaller teams which are trying to get better and more popular in the world because of cricket.

The bigger teams are certainly not going to allow that to happen. Because they would want to stay in power, if the teams which are not very big are trying to get better, they will eventually get better and it will cause a lot of problems for the teams that are in power. There will be too much competition and the system that the big four adore, is going to fail.

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Quote from: CryptoYar on July 06, 2022, 12:56:04 AM

The purpose of this organization was to ensure that all cricket teams have equal rights, but quite literally they've failed to do so.

LOL... that will never happen. Take FIFA for example. All the 211 national associations are having equal votes. World champions Brazil and Argentina have the same voting rights as tiny pacific island of Nauru. But in case of ICC, the voting rights are not equal. The 90 plus associate nations have combined 3 votes, while each of the test nations are having 1 vote each. And the pig4 nations have more than 4 votes combined, because usually the chairman and some other voting members are their proxies.

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