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Quote from: romero121 on July 05, 2022, 06:04:50 AM

Every cricketing nation needs to be given equally space.

The purpose of this organization was to ensure that all cricket teams have equal rights, but quite literally they've failed to do so.

Quote from: lixer on July 05, 2022, 03:55:02 PM

Here you need some correction it's not 90% it's about 70% to 75% and just because of cricket is having very limited market India is the biggest country so BCCI is taking advantage of this all which is surely killing many good things.

Rameez Raja had told in one of his statements that 90% of the International Cricket Council's revenue come from India.

"ICC Is Funded 90% By BCCI, "-- PCB Chairman Ramiz Raja

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Quote from: Juggy777 on July 05, 2022, 10:45:02 PM

I have stopped expecting that ICC will be free from the clutches of the top 3 boards i.e. India, Australia, and England and from ICC point of view these 3 alone contribute a lot to their revenues hence they can’t afford to piss them off. However ICC alone can’t be blamed because boards like WI, SA indulged in corruption and in the process destroyed their reputation and thus lost their power in ICC, plus fans prefer more big 3 matches then watching small teams play hence the big 3 have grown more powerful.

Out of the 20 votes in ICC, the pig-4 controls only around 40%. If the smaller boards unite, then it will be possible for them to stand up to the pig-4. But the problem is that the smaller boards themselves are corrupt and the pig-4 easily manipulate them with offers of bilateral tours. A good example is what happened during the chairman elections. The pig-4 managed to make their candidate the chairman, with help from some of the smaller boards. A deserving candidate and former international player ended up losing to a pig-4 nominated businessman.

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Quote from: Vaskiy on July 05, 2022, 01:18:58 AM

This is true, and in particular few countries are in dominance. Why this is happening? All are due to the revenue generated out of cricket. If cricket is taken to Olympics and to other World level meets, automatically there'll be more countries participation. This will make ICC loss its control. [..]

90% of the revenue of the International Cricket Council goes from India, which is why the Indian Cricket Board holds the highest dominance over other boards.

The only solution is; There should be maximum number of bilateral series so that other boards should also stand on their feet and not be ruled by only one board.

Every cricketing nation needs to be given equally space. India have got more audience for cricket and that's the reason why ICC is dominated by India. When we talk of bilateral series, low ranked teams need to be given opportunity to play against the top teams. Only such match schedules can help in the improvement of the low bottom team's performance.

I agree with you. The big problem for small teams in cricket is that they do not get chance to play with big teams. That is why big teams are always on top. I think ICC should take action in this regard and create a fixture of the whole countries. Otherwise, it is not possible to expect the progress of cricket. They have to make strict rules that there must be strong and week team series. Otherwise they will not be able to take part in the World Cup. I think if there were such strict rules implemented everyone would agree to play with a small team.

I have stopped expecting that ICC will be free from the clutches of the top 3 boards i.e. India, Australia, and England and from ICC point of view these 3 alone contribute a lot to their revenues hence they can’t afford to piss them off. However ICC alone can’t be blamed because boards like WI, SA indulged in corruption and in the process destroyed their reputation and thus lost their power in ICC, plus fans prefer more big 3 matches then watching small teams play hence the big 3 have grown more powerful.

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Quote from: fuguebtc on July 05, 2022, 11:21:03 AM

We can find a very good link between ICC and India. ICC said no and India also did not send their team but it was still a success. And this is not only the case in India. I think the four big countries which are playing cricket regularly are very much responsible for cricket not being a popular game worldwide. But this could obviously change if ICC had the balls to take their decisions alone and not depend on others. ICC is the culprit here along with the big four. There is a reason why almost everyone started hating the top 4 cricket-playing nations and this is not going to end well for cricket and also ICC if cricket is not popularized soon enough.

The ICC is currently under the control of the big-4. When Shashank Manohar was the chairman, he was very supportive of the smaller boards. But then, the big-4 managed to install their nominee (a businessmen called Greg Barclay) as the chairman. As soon as he became the chairman, the process for inclusion of cricket in 2028 Olympics got stuck and the application was not made on time. Now it is clear that cricket won't be a part of the 2028 Olympics. Barclay came up with a statement, claiming that he is interested in the inclusion of cricket for the 2032 Olympics. As we all know, he will find some excuse to delay it further.

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Quote from: CryptoYar on July 05, 2022, 05:30:00 AM

90% of the revenue of the International Cricket Council goes from India, which is why the Indian Cricket Board holds the highest dominance over other boards.

The only solution is; There should be maximum number of bilateral series so that other boards should also stand on their feet and not be ruled by only one board.

Here you need some correction it's not 90% it's about 70% to 75% and just because of cricket is having very limited market India is the biggest country so BCCI is taking advantage of this all which is surely killing many good things.

Even I am in favor that ICC needs to give India big part of profit but still they need to do some good work for other things as well now recently they are asking for 2 to 3 months window for IPL which is surely never been ideal thing but most chances they will have this because B-4 all having big profit from this IPL as they are providing many players now with increase of teams their profit is also going to increase, so there is nothing wrong if they completely favor this suggestion from BCCI in ICC meeting.

Surely cricket is using as political weapon, and it's working in just 3 or 4 countries which is colonial mindset hopefully we will have some positive changes if they want to increase their market and have any positiveness about cricket to spread around the glob.

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Quote from: romero121 on July 05, 2022, 06:04:50 AM

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Quote from: Vaskiy on July 05, 2022, 01:18:58 AM

This is true, and in particular few countries are in dominance. Why this is happening? All are due to the revenue generated out of cricket. If cricket is taken to Olympics and to other World level meets, automatically there'll be more countries participation. This will make ICC loss its control. [..]

90% of the revenue of the International Cricket Council goes from India, which is why the Indian Cricket Board holds the highest dominance over other boards.

The only solution is; There should be maximum number of bilateral series so that other boards should also stand on their feet and not be ruled by only one board.

Every cricketing nation needs to be given equally space. India have got more audience for cricket and that's the reason why ICC is dominated by India. When we talk of bilateral series, low ranked teams need to be given opportunity to play against the top teams. Only such match schedules can help in the improvement of the low bottom team's performance.

I agree with you. The big problem for small teams in cricket is that they do not get chance to play with big teams. That is why big teams are always on top. I think ICC should take action in this regard and create a fixture of the whole countries. Otherwise, it is not possible to expect the progress of cricket. They have to make strict rules that there must be strong and week team series. Otherwise they will not be able to take part in the World Cup. I think if there were such strict rules implemented everyone would agree to play with a small team.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on July 05, 2022, 02:17:24 AM

Quote from: doomloop on July 05, 2022, 01:33:26 AM

Here I agree with @CryptoYar now we can call this ICC as ICP because of their hypocrite political behavior and poor management they need to review about this all constitution if they want to alive in this era which is bringing some strong methods for growing your own things in huge way and can earn big profit, but they are still doing politics which is not helpful for anyone.
For second question why Commonwealth included men cricket brother they have done this, but ICC refuse this which is wired, and I am unable to provide any solid reply about this because if they consult then surely we have many ways to handle this situation but brainless ICC management have no enough time for this all.

The Commonwealth guys doesn't have balls and that's why it happened. Look at what happened during the Asian Games. The BCCI and ICC told Asian Games Committee that they will not allow cricket to be a part of the Asian Games in 2014. But the latter told them that they don't care about the permission and went ahead with the inclusion of cricket. India refused to send a cricket team, but the tournament was still a success. All the four test nations from Asia (apart from India) participated in the tournament, along with 7 associate nations.

We can find a very good link between ICC and India. ICC said no and India also did not send their team but it was still a success. And this is not only the case in India. I think the four big countries which are playing cricket regularly are very much responsible for cricket not being a popular game worldwide. But this could obviously change if ICC had the balls to take their decisions alone and not depend on others. ICC is the culprit here along with the big four. There is a reason why almost everyone started hating the top 4 cricket-playing nations and this is not going to end well for cricket and also ICC if cricket is not popularized soon enough.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on July 04, 2022, 08:20:16 PM

Quote from: jostorres on July 02, 2022, 01:38:14 PM

For me this all is totally useless and waste of time because if you are accepting pressure from ICC about men event and having only 8 women teams even you can arrange more than stop this all and just go ahead with your crap policies don't waste time with this all.

If ICC is ever having any positive attitude through this game then surely they try to work with them and arrange under 19 or under 23 teams from men as well which bring some good and interesting matches with only native players allowed to participate because this is also very important right now, but they are pressuring for no men and only eight women which mean they are never having any solid policy for these games and trying to follow their own agenda.

This is something that I don't understand. In case of football, the governing body has allowed a U-23 competition for Commonwealth Games and Olympics. This serves two purposes at the same time. Emerging and young players get a chance to represent their country, and at the same time the star players can continue playing for their clubs. I am at a loss to understand why the ICC is against this idea? Even a U-19 competition would be mutually beneficial. It will give good exposure to a lot of young players who will represent the senior team in the future.

Surely these questions are creating serious question mark on ICC mindset why they are not encouraging these teams which can bring some good quality and chance for new generation players for having good platform which can help them in future as well, and it's not had any side effects because Olympics and Commonwealth both are allowing these teams with star players able to serve in their clubs and countries can bring their new talent.

I personally check many things for these replies but have nothing positive why ICC is having this dual face for the improvement of this game who is having problem and why we need answers but no one available for this all.

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Quote from: romero121 on July 05, 2022, 06:04:50 AM

Every cricketing nation needs to be given equally space. India have got more audience for cricket and that's the reason why ICC is dominated by India. When we talk of bilateral series, low ranked teams need to be given opportunity to play against the top teams. Only such match schedules can help in the improvement of the low bottom team's performance.

Bilateral series do happen and with much more frequency than before. There are a lot more teams playing cricket now and even the smaller teams are playing each other far more than ever. Cricket is flourishing, at least compared to the past but the question is. Is ICC doing enough for the game to be more wide spread and popular? or are the just content with it and just manage the current teams involved and just hope the sport grows organically.

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Quote from: CryptoYar on July 05, 2022, 05:30:00 AM

Quote from: Vaskiy on July 05, 2022, 01:18:58 AM

This is true, and in particular few countries are in dominance. Why this is happening? All are due to the revenue generated out of cricket. If cricket is taken to Olympics and to other World level meets, automatically there'll be more countries participation. This will make ICC loss its control. [..]

90% of the revenue of the International Cricket Council goes from India, which is why the Indian Cricket Board holds the highest dominance over other boards.

The only solution is; There should be maximum number of bilateral series so that other boards should also stand on their feet and not be ruled by only one board.

Every cricketing nation needs to be given equally space. India have got more audience for cricket and that's the reason why ICC is dominated by India. When we talk of bilateral series, low ranked teams need to be given opportunity to play against the top teams. Only such match schedules can help in the improvement of the low bottom team's performance.

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Quote from: Vaskiy on July 05, 2022, 01:18:58 AM

This is true, and in particular few countries are in dominance. Why this is happening? All are due to the revenue generated out of cricket. If cricket is taken to Olympics and to other World level meets, automatically there'll be more countries participation. This will make ICC loss its control. [..]

90% of the revenue of the International Cricket Council goes from India, which is why the Indian Cricket Board holds the highest dominance over other boards.

The only solution is; There should be maximum number of bilateral series so that other boards should also stand on their feet and not be ruled by only one board.

Quote from: doomloop on July 05, 2022, 01:33:26 AM

Here I agree with @CryptoYar now we can call this ICC as ICP

Bro, it's pity that cricket is being used as a political weapon. whereas it was a gentleman's game.

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Quote from: doomloop on July 05, 2022, 01:33:26 AM

Here I agree with @CryptoYar now we can call this ICC as ICP because of their hypocrite political behavior and poor management they need to review about this all constitution if they want to alive in this era which is bringing some strong methods for growing your own things in huge way and can earn big profit, but they are still doing politics which is not helpful for anyone.

For second question why Commonwealth included men cricket brother they have done this, but ICC refuse this which is wired, and I am unable to provide any solid reply about this because if they consult then surely we have many ways to handle this situation but brainless ICC management have no enough time for this all.

The Commonwealth guys doesn't have balls and that's why it happened. Look at what happened during the Asian Games. The BCCI and ICC told Asian Games Committee that they will not allow cricket to be a part of the Asian Games in 2014. But the latter told them that they don't care about the permission and went ahead with the inclusion of cricket. India refused to send a cricket team, but the tournament was still a success. All the four test nations from Asia (apart from India) participated in the tournament, along with 7 associate nations.

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Quote from: YinShuiSiYuan on July 03, 2022, 10:47:53 AM

ICC clearly has no intentions of taking cricket to larger levels like Olympics. Let more countries join in and play the cricket that's the only way associate counties can improve there crikcet.

ICC is turned into ICP (International cricket politics) Where conspiracies are hatched against small teams.

Here I agree with @CryptoYar now we can call this ICC as ICP because of their hypocrite political behavior and poor management they need to review about this all constitution if they want to alive in this era which is bringing some strong methods for growing your own things in huge way and can earn big profit, but they are still doing politics which is not helpful for anyone.

For second question why Commonwealth included men cricket brother they have done this, but ICC refuse this which is wired, and I am unable to provide any solid reply about this because if they consult then surely we have many ways to handle this situation but brainless ICC management have no enough time for this all.

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Quote from: Vaskiy on July 05, 2022, 01:18:58 AM

This is true, and in particular few countries are in dominance. Why this is happening? All are due to the revenue generated out of cricket. If cricket is taken to Olympics and to other World level meets, automatically there'll be more countries participation. This will make ICC loss its control. Another important thing, few countries that are into dominance will also suffer as more countries make fast progress.

As far as I understand, these are the concerns raised by the BCCI and ICC on Olympic inclusion:

1. Foreigners won't be allowed to represent. Olympics and Commonwealth Games can be participated only by citizens of a particular country
2. Stringent testing against performance enhancing drugs.
3. Cricket board need to report to the national Olympic association for matters related to Olympic Games
4. No automatic qualification. All the teams need to participate in qualifier tournament
5. For the duration of Olympics, the cricket calendar maybe blocked due to unavailability of players
6. Revenue distribution will be decided by the Olympic committee.

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Quote from: CryptoYar on July 05, 2022, 12:44:37 AM

Quote from: YinShuiSiYuan on July 03, 2022, 10:47:53 AM

ICC clearly has no intentions of taking cricket to larger levels like Olympics. Let more countries join in and play the cricket that's the only way associate counties can improve there crikcet.

ICC is turned into ICP (International cricket politics) Where conspiracies are hatched against small teams.

This is true, and in particular few countries are in dominance. Why this is happening? All are due to the revenue generated out of cricket. If cricket is taken to Olympics and to other World level meets, automatically there'll be more countries participation. This will make ICC loss its control. Another important thing, few countries that are into dominance will also suffer as more countries make fast progress.

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Quote from: YinShuiSiYuan on July 03, 2022, 10:47:53 AM

The real issue is if women cricket is included in commonwealth then why not men cricket is there?

At least they have included it, as we have not seen cricket in Commonwealth Games since 1998. Therefore, it is a positive move and in the future, we may see men's cricket matches too.

Quote from: YinShuiSiYuan on July 03, 2022, 10:47:53 AM

ICC clearly has no intentions of taking cricket to larger levels like Olympics. Let more countries join in and play the cricket that's the only way associate counties can improve there crikcet.

ICC is turned into ICP (International cricket politics) Where conspiracies are hatched against small teams.

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Quote from: jostorres on July 02, 2022, 01:38:14 PM

For me this all is totally useless and waste of time because if you are accepting pressure from ICC about men event and having only 8 women teams even you can arrange more than stop this all and just go ahead with your crap policies don't waste time with this all.

If ICC is ever having any positive attitude through this game then surely they try to work with them and arrange under 19 or under 23 teams from men as well which bring some good and interesting matches with only native players allowed to participate because this is also very important right now, but they are pressuring for no men and only eight women which mean they are never having any solid policy for these games and trying to follow their own agenda.

This is something that I don't understand. In case of football, the governing body has allowed a U-23 competition for Commonwealth Games and Olympics. This serves two purposes at the same time. Emerging and young players get a chance to represent their country, and at the same time the star players can continue playing for their clubs. I am at a loss to understand why the ICC is against this idea? Even a U-19 competition would be mutually beneficial. It will give good exposure to a lot of young players who will represent the senior team in the future.

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Quote from: YinShuiSiYuan on July 03, 2022, 10:47:53 AM

The real issue is if women cricket is included in commonwealth then why not men cricket is there? ICC clearly has no intentions of taking cricket to larger levels like Olympics. Let more countries join in and play the cricket that's the only way associate counties can improve there crikcet.

That is not going to happen. ICC is not going to give the associate countries good enough chances to improve at the game. and the teams are also not going to improve because of that. ICC just does not want to accept that cricket is not very popular All Around The World and they will have to make cricket popular in a lot of areas. they just don't have any headaches about it.

ICC's treatment with Associates countries creating some serious confusion because I am feeling they are not interested to bring them into main stream, or they are confused about something so just because of this they are doing nothing for this all even they can do many things which can bring some good revenue and entertainment with this game in many parts of the world which is essential like we are watching FIFA is doing and bringing more quality and better infrastructure for their own main stream.

With this all they can ensure better media rights, and surely they could be able to have some more sponsors which are important but sadly right now B-4 in ICC having all focus on IPL.

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Quote from: ilovealtcoins on July 03, 2022, 06:55:08 PM

That is not going to happen. ICC is not going to give the associate countries good enough chances to improve at the game. and the teams are also not going to improve because of that. ICC just does not want to accept that cricket is not very popular All Around The World and they will have to make cricket popular in a lot of areas. they just don't have any headaches about it.

Prime reason is that ICC these days is getting sufficient funds from IPL so they don't wanna do anything else. Already teams like Kenya and Zimbabwe are gone from international horizon but icc has no regret about that. As long as icc don't allow associate countries in big events like WC we won't see level of associate countries going up.

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Quote from: YinShuiSiYuan on July 03, 2022, 10:47:53 AM

Quote from: Sithara007 on July 02, 2022, 08:04:34 AM

Last time we had cricket in commonwealth games was in 1998. Back then, there were a total of 16 participants, including India and two from the WICB (Barbados, and Antigua and Barbuda). Associate nations such as Kenya, Scotland and Ireland also participated. Back then, South Africa won the gold, by defeating Australia in the final match (New Zealand won the bronze medal). This time under pressure from the ICC, they cancelled the men's event and scheduled a 8-team women's event. It makes no sense to have a tournament with just 8 teams.

The real issue is if women cricket is included in commonwealth then why not men cricket is there? ICC clearly has no intentions of taking cricket to larger levels like Olympics. Let more countries join in and play the cricket that's the only way associate counties can improve there crikcet.

That is not going to happen. ICC is not going to give the associate countries good enough chances to improve at the game. and the teams are also not going to improve because of that. ICC just does not want to accept that cricket is not very popular All Around The World and they will have to make cricket popular in a lot of areas. they just don't have any headaches about it.

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