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Quote from: Sithara007 on August 20, 2022, 09:27:28 PM

Unlike FIFA, the voting rights in ICC is skewed and favors the pig-4. In FIFA, each of the 211 national associations have equal voting powers. But in the ICC, there are only 3 votes allotted to the ~100 associate nations. On top of that the test nations outside pig-4 are not united and are dependent on boards such as BCCI and ECB for bilateral tours. Another issue is that 80% of the associate boards are fake, solely composed of foreigners with no representation from the natives. These people tend to be pro-BCCI and corrupt.

I also think that I can say that in the ICC corruption runs very deep and that statement is not gonna be very wrong. ICC could have gotten out of this situation if they did not have so many corrupt personnel. And some personnel in the ICC have direct contact and good relations with the personnel of certain boards. So for obvious reasons, those cricket birds are going to be favored heavily instead of the others. And most of the associate teams are just some jokes because you cannot form a national team without having one native player. If you think you really don’t have any other option instead of making a team without a single native player you don’t need to or deserve to play cricket.

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Quote from: tomos81 on August 20, 2022, 03:20:32 AM

So if cricket is included in the Olympics then maybe more cricketers will come out and the popularity of cricket will go to another level.

True, but the ICC doesn't give a crap about such stuff. They only focus on the tournaments that generate high revenue.

Its discussed so many times here that ICC rather big 3 don't want more countries to join cricket ecosystem. If more countries join in then monopoly of big 3 will end. Thats why despite so much money involved in cricket, the game is still limited to 10 countries and I dont think it will reach out more countries in coming 10 years.

An event as big as the World Cup is too small to host only ten countries If we look at football world cup we will see that in football world cup many countries participate but not so in case of cricket A long time ago, I used to see that many countries participated in the World Cup in cricket. Currently most of the countries have learned from cricket, I think if they were taken care of then maybe cricket would never have been lost in those countries. I hope ICC will look into this matter and organize a big tournament like World Cup with more countries.

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Quote from: rugrats on August 20, 2022, 07:44:55 PM

The problem is if ICC wants to do something they have to give a lot of importance to the opinion of the big four. And that is where we think ICC does not have its authority as it should for all the teams equally. And we all know that ICC is extremely concerned about the Big Four since they are the ones bringing in the actual amount of revenue for the ICC. Obviously, this is a situation created by the ICC themselves. And there are a lot of people in power at the ICC who want things to be like this forever. If things stay the same forever, it won't be long before we can say cricket is extinct. I am glad that you brought up the point of people in power being not helpful for cricket because that is something we generally discuss very little here. We generally give all the blame to the ICC.

Unlike FIFA, the voting rights in ICC is skewed and favors the pig-4. In FIFA, each of the 211 national associations have equal voting powers. But in the ICC, there are only 3 votes allotted to the ~100 associate nations. On top of that the test nations outside pig-4 are not united and are dependent on boards such as BCCI and ECB for bilateral tours. Another issue is that 80% of the associate boards are fake, solely composed of foreigners with no representation from the natives. These people tend to be pro-BCCI and corrupt.

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Quote from: TheGreatPython on August 20, 2022, 09:16:39 AM

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But every year we see very good teams and very good players come out of the Olympics. If we notice then we will see that only few countries are participating in the game of cricket There are still many countries which are very good in cricket but due to lack of adequate facilities they are not able to expose their talent to ICC.So if cricket is included in the Olympics then maybe more cricketers will come out and the popularity of cricket will go to another level.

We can talk a very long chat about this issue here but this all could be useless because we are nothing just can give our comments and views with mostly peoples which are in power have their own mind set and will surely go with this all because right now things are changing drastically for many countries and regions which are creating new conflicts and personal links are also very important for this all.

Right now, ICC can't do anything for the promotion of this game because they have no enough authority and sources they are depended on few countries, and they never want to lose their hold which is important for them beyond this game and many other things Olympics could be better, but ICC need to bring some changes in their rules for having their case strong for this.

The problem is if ICC wants to do something they have to give a lot of importance to the opinion of the big four. And that is where we think ICC does not have its authority as it should for all the teams equally. And we all know that ICC is extremely concerned about the Big Four since they are the ones bringing in the actual amount of revenue for the ICC. Obviously, this is a situation created by the ICC themselves. And there are a lot of people in power at the ICC who want things to be like this forever. If things stay the same forever, it won't be long before we can say cricket is extinct. I am glad that you brought up the point of people in power being not helpful for cricket because that is something we generally discuss very little here. We generally give all the blame to the ICC.

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Quote from: Haunebu on August 20, 2022, 12:47:08 PM

Quote from: tomos81 on August 20, 2022, 03:20:32 AM

So if cricket is included in the Olympics then maybe more cricketers will come out and the popularity of cricket will go to another level.

True, but the ICC doesn't give a crap about such stuff. They only focus on the tournaments that generate high revenue.

Its discussed so many times here that ICC rather big 3 don't want more countries to join cricket ecosystem. If more countries join in then monopoly of big 3 will end. Thats why despite so much money involved in cricket, the game is still limited to 10 countries and I dont think it will reach out more countries in coming 10 years.

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Quote from: Haunebu on August 20, 2022, 12:47:08 PM

Quote from: JSRAW on August 20, 2022, 12:47:06 AM

Problem with him is he do have self obsessed personality which led to fair amount of controversy throughout all his career, slowly everything is making sense too - Chappell-Ganguly- era.

Knew this way back ever since he ripped off his shirt and went crazy. He never had the guts to make big changes wherever necessary which all changed after MSD stepped in. He's a legendary cricketer which is the only good thing about him.

I have a good respect for Ganguly, but surely he misses golden opportunity for having write his name in golden words in Indian cricket history with first as skipper able to done few good changes, but sadly he fails and try to settle in running issues which were never been good for them and now as administrator I was having some big hopes, but sadly he has never done anything positive for any department and staying here just like we have few Presidents in past those are giving their duty and nothing special for anyone.

As Indian Captain and then as BCCI President, both times he fails completely and never been a revolutionary man for this game. As we were expecting good changes in ICC for better quality and system we need a good person with good heart, and now I am feeling we have Sangakara if he came and done something and system allow him for these changes.

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Quote from: JSRAW on August 20, 2022, 12:47:06 AM

Problem with him is he do have self obsessed personality which led to fair amount of controversy throughout all his career, slowly everything is making sense too - Chappell-Ganguly- era.

Knew this way back ever since he ripped off his shirt and went crazy. He never had the guts to make big changes wherever necessary which all changed after MSD stepped in. He's a legendary cricketer which is the only good thing about him.

Quote from: tomos81 on August 20, 2022, 03:20:32 AM

So if cricket is included in the Olympics then maybe more cricketers will come out and the popularity of cricket will go to another level.

True, but the ICC doesn't give a crap about such stuff. They only focus on the tournaments that generate high revenue.

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Quote from: virasog on August 20, 2022, 09:01:28 AM

Do we have any other method instead of DLS to determine the results of rain-delayed or rain affected matches ?
If there is no alternative available then i am afraid we have no option but to keep using this DLS method to determine the result of the matches.
If you say that DLS method decisions are not good but keep in mind they are for both teams and not just applicable to one team.

Yes, I know that but we have also come a long way and that technology has also improved a lot. So, I believe there should have been another system in place of the DLS system. I agree that we don’t have anything better right now than the DLS system. However, anything that gets old is bound to become obsolete. So, I really hope that there will be something to replace this system. But with the updated system, there will be new problems. And I don’t know if ICC has anything planned about it but if they are looking to try something else from now on, I believe it’s probably going to be too late.

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Quote from: tomos81 on August 20, 2022, 03:20:32 AM

But every year we see very good teams and very good players come out of the Olympics. If we notice then we will see that only few countries are participating in the game of cricket There are still many countries which are very good in cricket but due to lack of adequate facilities they are not able to expose their talent to ICC.So if cricket is included in the Olympics then maybe more cricketers will come out and the popularity of cricket will go to another level.

We can talk a very long chat about this issue here but this all could be useless because we are nothing just can give our comments and views with mostly peoples which are in power have their own mind set and will surely go with this all because right now things are changing drastically for many countries and regions which are creating new conflicts and personal links are also very important for this all.

Right now, ICC can't do anything for the promotion of this game because they have no enough authority and sources they are depended on few countries, and they never want to lose their hold which is important for them beyond this game and many other things Olympics could be better, but ICC need to bring some changes in their rules for having their case strong for this.

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Quote from: Smack That Ace on August 18, 2022, 10:05:51 PM

The DLS method is something that I am not a fan of, to be honest. The whole cricketing world has certainly seen some dumb decisions taken because of the DLS method. We have seen a lot of teams losing a winning match because of the DLS method which changes the equation drastically. This DLS method really needs to be revised. Cricket is already losing its popularity quite a bit in my opinion. And things are not going to improve unless ICC starts fixing the problems that Cricket has right now. In this day and age, I think the DLS method is one of them.

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Do we have any other method instead of DLS to determine the results of rain-delayed or rain affected matches ?
If there is no alternative available then i am afraid we have no option but to keep using this DLS method to determine the result of the matches.
If you say that DLS method decisions are not good but keep in mind they are for both teams and not just applicable to one team.

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Quote from: Haunebu on August 19, 2022, 02:03:27 PM

Quote from: tomos81 on August 19, 2022, 09:37:37 AM

If cricket is included in the Olympics, different countries will participate in the Olympics, which will lead to more countries joining cricket As a result of which the spread of cricket will increase all over the world and cricket will become a popular game like football. Hopefully ICC will take this step soon.

They don't really care about the Olympics since money is what primarily matters to them. Let's face it. The Olympics and similar events aren't money generating tournaments and focus more on prestige.

Don't expect Cricket to become a part of the Olympics anytime soon.

Quote from: JSRAW on August 19, 2022, 11:42:04 AM

I'll focus on his fuckups only
-Not giving up chair despite his tenure got over
- Domestic players didn't get salary on time, it took them 1 year to sort out this situation.
- Derailing WIPL
- Last but not the least mishandling issue of Kohli, Dada fucked it up. He and his so called sources were shit too.

Didn't know about some of these issues. He's simply a corrupt individual who replaced another corrupt individual and will get replaced by some other corrupt individual. It's as simple as that.

But every year we see very good teams and very good players come out of the Olympics. If we notice then we will see that only few countries are participating in the game of cricket There are still many countries which are very good in cricket but due to lack of adequate facilities they are not able to expose their talent to ICC.So if cricket is included in the Olympics then maybe more cricketers will come out and the popularity of cricket will go to another level.

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Quote from: Haunebu on August 19, 2022, 02:03:27 PM

Quote from: JSRAW on August 19, 2022, 11:42:04 AM

I'll focus on his fuckups only
-Not giving up chair despite his tenure got over
- Domestic players didn't get salary on time, it took them 1 year to sort out this situation.
- Derailing WIPL
- Last but not the least mishandling issue of Kohli, Dada fucked it up. He and his so called sources were shit too.

Didn't know about some of these issues. He's simply a corrupt individual who replaced another corrupt individual and will get replaced by some other corrupt individual. It's as simple as that.

Not corrupt per se as there are hardly any evidence of corruption and i've never heard such chatters about him anywhere, except promoting Dream XI despite sitting on chair, i've virtually no issue if someone is promoting betting etc but for dada it comes under conflict of interest as he's BCCI president.

Problem with him is he do have self obsessed personality which led to fair amount of controversy throughout all his career, slowly everything is making sense too - Chappell-Ganguly- era.

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Quote from: JSRAW on August 19, 2022, 11:42:04 AM

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Ranji trophy had to be cancelled for the 2020-21 season because of COVID, and there were a lot of issues due to lockdown and other restrictive measures. So I don't want to be too harsh on him. But he disappointed me to some degree. Still, I would prefer him over the mafia members such as Rupa Gurunath and Rajeev Shukla.

No issue with the cancellation but you don't expect delay on salary for whole 1 year, despite printing money from the IPL.

Agree on Rupa and Shukla ji, people like these are termites. Ganguly is definitely better option but with his recent track record he doesn't look suitable for ICC imo.

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Quote from: Haunebu on August 19, 2022, 02:03:27 PM

They don't really care about the Olympics since money is what primarily matters to them. Let's face it. The Olympics and similar events aren't money generating tournaments and focus more on prestige.

Don't expect Cricket to become a part of the Olympics anytime soon.

Olympic participation is being done for national pride, and not for monetary benefits. ICC and the BCCI will never understand this, as they are money minded organizations. For the associate nations, cricket becoming an Olympic sport is immensely beneficial, as they will qualify for grants from the government. But for pig-4 nations, these funds are insignificant as they are already very rich.

Quote from: JSRAW on August 19, 2022, 11:42:04 AM

I'll focus on his fuckups only
-Not giving up chair despite his tenure got over
- Domestic players didn't get salary on time, it took them 1 year to sort out this situation.
- Derailing WIPL
- Last but not the least mishandling issue of Kohli, Dada fucked it up. He and his so called sources were shit too.

Ranji trophy had to be cancelled for the 2020-21 season because of COVID, and there were a lot of issues due to lockdown and other restrictive measures. So I don't want to be too harsh on him. But he disappointed me to some degree. Still, I would prefer him over the mafia members such as Rupa Gurunath and Rajeev Shukla.

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Quote from: tomos81 on August 19, 2022, 09:37:37 AM

If cricket is included in the Olympics, different countries will participate in the Olympics, which will lead to more countries joining cricket As a result of which the spread of cricket will increase all over the world and cricket will become a popular game like football. Hopefully ICC will take this step soon.

They don't really care about the Olympics since money is what primarily matters to them. Let's face it. The Olympics and similar events aren't money generating tournaments and focus more on prestige.

Don't expect Cricket to become a part of the Olympics anytime soon.

Quote from: JSRAW on August 19, 2022, 11:42:04 AM

I'll focus on his fuckups only
-Not giving up chair despite his tenure got over
- Domestic players didn't get salary on time, it took them 1 year to sort out this situation.
- Derailing WIPL
- Last but not the least mishandling issue of Kohli, Dada fucked it up. He and his so called sources were shit too.

Didn't know about some of these issues. He's simply a corrupt individual who replaced another corrupt individual and will get replaced by some other corrupt individual. It's as simple as that.

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Quote from: JSRAW on August 19, 2022, 12:45:43 AM

I second that completely. I was also very happy when Dada took the charge but he turned out to be a big disappointment on many occasion, which is kinda surprising because before taking chief role in BCCI he was competent administrator in bengali cricket board for quite some time and had a reputation of getting things done.

So i think it's not a bad thing if he not the contender for ICC chief. Likes of Kumble, Kumar Sangakkara might be a good options if they get the chance.

Sourav Ganguly as the BCCI president did OK, IMO. I would still prefer him over businessmen and politicians from the Srinivasan-Pawar mafia. However I have a feeling that it is Jay Shah and Anurag Thakur who are taking most of the decisions. Anyway, for the post of ICC chairman, Kumar Sangakkara is a good option. I don't know much about Anil Kumble as an administrator and in case he is interested then there maybe two nominees from pig-4. I just hope that some ex-player will be elected in November instead of these businessmen such as Barclay.

I'll focus on his fuckups only
-Not giving up chair despite his tenure got over
- Domestic players didn't get salary on time, it took them 1 year to sort out this situation.
- Derailing WIPL
- Last but not the least mishandling issue of Kohli, Dada fucked it up. He and his so called sources were shit too.

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There is some bad news coming in. Sourav Ganguly has made it clear that he is not interested in becoming the ICC Chairman. And this further means that the corrupt Greg Barclay will continue as the ICC chairman for the next two years or so. The elections are due in November this year, and at this point it looks as if Barclay will be elected without any significant opposition, as he is the pig-4 nominee. I just hope that the boards outside the pig-4 unite this time around and get their nominee elected instead of Barclay.

Even if Sourav Ganguly gets elected as the next ICC chairman nothing is gonna change. ICC will operate same as what we see now. Look at the situation of BCCI, there were big expectation over Sourav Ganguly when elected. What happened till date is nothing new. Whether it is Barclay or Ganguly ICC will remain to function same as now prioritising money.

It is unlikely that many things will never change. There must be someone more reliable this time. It is crucial that the ICC get credible leaders, but most of the recent ICC presidents have made very biased decisions, which have not helped the game. Nevertheless, few things have already stabilized, be it money priorities or a particular board. It doesn't seem to be improving.

Those who cannot participate in corruption will never want to get into that kind of position. Moreover, ICC is an institution where the powerful will not agree to give up power despite hundreds of complaints. In this way this organization has been running for a long time.

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We all know that there are other sports in Olympics but cricket is not included in Olympic sport at present. As only a few countries participate in cricket, the game of cricket is not as popular as the game of football.If cricket is included in the Olympics, different countries will participate in the Olympics, which will lead to more countries joining cricket As a result of which the spread of cricket will increase all over the world and cricket will become a popular game like football. Hopefully ICC will take this step soon.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on August 19, 2022, 04:29:04 AM

Quote from: JSRAW on August 19, 2022, 12:45:43 AM

I second that completely. I was also very happy when Dada took the charge but he turned out to be a big disappointment on many occasion, which is kinda surprising because before taking chief role in BCCI he was competent administrator in bengali cricket board for quite some time and had a reputation of getting things done.

So i think it's not a bad thing if he not the contender for ICC chief. Likes of Kumble, Kumar Sangakkara might be a good options if they get the chance.

Sourav Ganguly as the BCCI president did OK, IMO. I would still prefer him over businessmen and politicians from the Srinivasan-Pawar mafia. However I have a feeling that it is Jay Shah and Anurag Thakur who are taking most of the decisions. Anyway, for the post of ICC chairman, Kumar Sangakkara is a good option. I don't know much about Anil Kumble as an administrator and in case he is interested then there maybe two nominees from pig-4. I just hope that some ex-player will be elected in November instead of these businessmen such as Barclay.

I'm not against Ganguly, but just remember those days of him getting sworn as BCCI President. He said his priority will be on first class cricket. During the pandemic the domestic cricketers suffered and not even a single rupee paid for them. It have taken years for them to receive compensation. For the very first time the 2020-2021 Ranji Trophy got cancelled, but the IPL was been organised. This is how he have done against expectation.

I too believe Sangakara to be a good choice. We don't know the reality, but he's well and good compared to the business personalities contesting.

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Quote from: JSRAW on August 19, 2022, 12:45:43 AM

I second that completely. I was also very happy when Dada took the charge but he turned out to be a big disappointment on many occasion, which is kinda surprising because before taking chief role in BCCI he was competent administrator in bengali cricket board for quite some time and had a reputation of getting things done.

So i think it's not a bad thing if he not the contender for ICC chief. Likes of Kumble, Kumar Sangakkara might be a good options if they get the chance.

Sourav Ganguly as the BCCI president did OK, IMO. I would still prefer him over businessmen and politicians from the Srinivasan-Pawar mafia. However I have a feeling that it is Jay Shah and Anurag Thakur who are taking most of the decisions. Anyway, for the post of ICC chairman, Kumar Sangakkara is a good option. I don't know much about Anil Kumble as an administrator and in case he is interested then there maybe two nominees from pig-4. I just hope that some ex-player will be elected in November instead of these businessmen such as Barclay.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on August 18, 2022, 11:00:18 PM

There is some bad news coming in. Sourav Ganguly has made it clear that he is not interested in becoming the ICC Chairman. And this further means that the corrupt Greg Barclay will continue as the ICC chairman for the next two years or so. The elections are due in November this year, and at this point it looks as if Barclay will be elected without any significant opposition, as he is the pig-4 nominee. I just hope that the boards outside the pig-4 unite this time around and get their nominee elected instead of Barclay.

Even if Sourav Ganguly gets elected as the next ICC chairman nothing is gonna change. ICC will operate same as what we see now. Look at the situation of BCCI, there were big expectation over Sourav Ganguly when elected. What happened till date is nothing new. Whether it is Barclay or Ganguly ICC will remain to function same as now prioritising money.

I second that completely. I was also very happy when Dada took the charge but he turned out to be a big disappointment on many occasion, which is kinda surprising because before taking chief role in BCCI he was competent administrator in bengali cricket board for quite some time and had a reputation of getting things done.

So i think it's not a bad thing if he not the contender for ICC chief. Likes of Kumble, Kumar Sangakkara might be a good options if they get the chance.

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