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Quote from: WatChe on August 28, 2022, 01:38:47 PM

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Cricket is not a new game rather its as old as hills, still its not seen in any Olympics till date. The real reason is ICC along with big parties are not interested in taking cricket to Olympics. No matter how much you and me discuss here, its only about what ICC wants.

We have discussed this over and over again, Cricket was played in 1900 Olympics, if you were not aware of it Tongue

. It was a two day game and only two teams participated, England and France and obviously England won the Gold. Olympics is held for 16 days and only now Cricket match duration is cut down to T20 FYI to have a realistic possibility to be included in Olympics.

Quote from: WatChe on August 30, 2022, 02:49:21 PM

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Big fours are formed because rest of the boards surrendered there rights to them. Recently women cricket is included in common wealth games but not men. The real reason is big 3 don't wanna cricket to have more counties that can challenge there authority.

Reality check, all the countries national board including ICC is pitching billions of dollars worth of media rights and they will be obligated to follow them with the content and hence it is not about challenging any authority but to follow the media obligations without breaking the contract. Woman's cricket is not getting that much media rights or obligations and hence i wont be surprised if they include woman's cricket in the Olympics before they include Men's.

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Quote from: kro55 on August 30, 2022, 11:07:26 AM

I think the problem with the Olympics is that in reality, they are not interested in anything other than the actual rules. In addition, the big four cannot impose their authority over the Olympics as well. So we can say that the big four teams are basically saying, and basically convincing the ICC, that introducing cricket to the Olympics is not going to be a smart idea. In addition, the ICC is also on board with that idea.

In spite of this, you can see that if you analyze this from the point of view of the ICC, we will see that they receive the most amount of money from the top four teams. Thus, it makes perfect sense for them to listen to what the top four cricket boards have to say about the matter.

Big fours are formed because rest of the boards surrendered there rights to them. Recently women cricket is included in common wealth games but not men. The real reason is big 3 don't wanna cricket to have more counties that can challenge there authority.

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Quote from: justdimin on August 30, 2022, 07:36:19 AM

Quote from: Sithara007 on August 30, 2022, 04:43:52 AM

Anyway, I guess the ICC got more than what they were expecting. Personally I was expecting somewhere in the range of $2.0 to $2.5 billion, given that the reserve price of $1.44 sounded a bit optimistic. Looks as if Disney-Star desperately wanted to win the media rights, since Ten Sports has grabbed the rights to bilateral series with most of the national boards. This bid by Disney-Star just proves how desperate they are. I am interested to know how much the ICC may get from the other regions. US/UK is also a lucrative market and is going in the next round.

Here as things are going with this we can blame ICC and B-4 for this all instead of Olympics Association for cricket is not part of this mega event for long time because they never do their homework and bring suitable policies which is surely all have to done by ICC instead of Olympics Association because they are wide open for this, and they already announce they have nothing from ICC for this which was a slap on them for saying there are some problems by other party.

Olympics Association has their policies and all other sports associations have to follow them, but ICC is not doing anything for this which is the biggest problem that cricket is not part of this event but now as we are reading and feeling things could be positive in next few years, and we will be able to have cricket in this mega event which could be amazing for the fans and the game future.

I think the problem with the Olympics is that in reality, they are not interested in anything other than the actual rules. In addition, the big four cannot impose their authority over the Olympics as well. So we can say that the big four teams are basically saying, and basically convincing the ICC, that introducing cricket to the Olympics is not going to be a smart idea. In addition, the ICC is also on board with that idea.

In spite of this, you can see that if you analyze this from the point of view of the ICC, we will see that they receive the most amount of money from the top four teams. Thus, it makes perfect sense for them to listen to what the top four cricket boards have to say about the matter.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on August 30, 2022, 04:43:52 AM

Anyway, I guess the ICC got more than what they were expecting. Personally I was expecting somewhere in the range of $2.0 to $2.5 billion, given that the reserve price of $1.44 sounded a bit optimistic. Looks as if Disney-Star desperately wanted to win the media rights, since Ten Sports has grabbed the rights to bilateral series with most of the national boards. This bid by Disney-Star just proves how desperate they are. I am interested to know how much the ICC may get from the other regions. US/UK is also a lucrative market and is going in the next round.

Here as things are going with this we can blame ICC and B-4 for this all instead of Olympics Association for cricket is not part of this mega event for long time because they never do their homework and bring suitable policies which is surely all have to done by ICC instead of Olympics Association because they are wide open for this, and they already announce they have nothing from ICC for this which was a slap on them for saying there are some problems by other party.

Olympics Association has their policies and all other sports associations have to follow them, but ICC is not doing anything for this which is the biggest problem that cricket is not part of this event but now as we are reading and feeling things could be positive in next few years, and we will be able to have cricket in this mega event which could be amazing for the fans and the game future.

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Quote from: JSRAW on August 29, 2022, 11:50:58 PM

There was some provision on tenders that bidders are allowed to bid lower than the base price. This KSR guy is pretty reliable on money numbers, might not be accurate but 99% time he comes very close.

The recent bid was for just 4 years, in comparison to the previous deal which was 8 years (around $2 Billion or something) so it's possible that SONY bid was lower.

This is another thread from him. https://twitter.com/KShriniwasRao/status/1564226662656626689

Anyway, I guess the ICC got more than what they were expecting. Personally I was expecting somewhere in the range of $2.0 to $2.5 billion, given that the reserve price of $1.44 sounded a bit optimistic. Looks as if Disney-Star desperately wanted to win the media rights, since Ten Sports has grabbed the rights to bilateral series with most of the national boards. This bid by Disney-Star just proves how desperate they are. I am interested to know how much the ICC may get from the other regions. US/UK is also a lucrative market and is going in the next round.

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Quote from: WatChe on August 28, 2022, 01:38:47 PM

Quote from: eaLiTy on August 28, 2022, 01:24:07 PM

T20 started gaining popularity after 2007 and till now we had 4 Olympics after that and you cannot count the 2008 Olympics considering T20 started gaining popularity after 2007. Next Olympics is in Paris and the realistic possibility of inclusion is the 2032 Olympics which is taking place in Brisbane and the host nation can suggest which games to include when they are hosting and Cricket will be a real possiblity.

Cricket is not a new game rather its as old as hills, still its not seen in any Olympics till date. The real reason is ICC along with big parties are not interested in taking cricket to Olympics. No matter how much you and me discuss here, its only about what ICC wants.

Some people are accusing that ICC is not showing interest. On the opposite, it sounds like the Olympic Association is not accepting it. In such a condition it is going through an oscillating situation. But in this case I am skeptical about the role of ICC. I think if cricket is taken to the Olympics it might not beneficial for them. But hopefully it will be included in the Olympics today or tomorrow.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on August 29, 2022, 08:58:11 PM

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I feel bad for associate boards in advance.

Now picture is more clear and it looks like ICC has achieved its target by organizing a close bid. Just look at the difference between winning bid and 2nd best bid. The difference is close to $2 Billion.

Disney is rich but they won't be much happy after seeing the massive difference and fell into FOMO trap, time will tell if they overpaid or not. That's why one needs a transparent process at auction.

I don't know how accurate are these numbers. When the reserve price is $1.44 billion, how can SONY make a bid for $1.3 billion? Is this even allowed? As far as I know, the ICC hasn't made these figures public. So for now, it is pure speculation. My guess is that Sony's bid was a lot higher than $1.3 billion, and probably more than $2 billion. I would have preferred SONY, because their quality (both TV and online streaming) is much better than Disney-Star. Disney is a bit money minded and doesn't care much about the quality.

There was some provision on tenders that bidders are allowed to bid lower than the base price. This KSR guy is pretty reliable on money numbers, might not be accurate but 99% time he comes very close.

The recent bid was for just 4 years, in comparison to the previous deal which was 8 years (around $2 Billion or something) so it's possible that SONY bid was lower.

This is another thread from him. https://twitter.com/KShriniwasRao/status/1564226662656626689

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Quote from: JSRAW on August 28, 2022, 02:09:49 AM

I feel bad for associate boards in advance.

Now picture is more clear and it looks like ICC has achieved its target by organizing a close bid. Just look at the difference between winning bid and 2nd best bid. The difference is close to $2 Billion.

Disney is rich but they won't be much happy after seeing the massive difference and fell into FOMO trap, time will tell if they overpaid or not. That's why one needs a transparent process at auction.

I don't know how accurate are these numbers. When the reserve price is $1.44 billion, how can SONY make a bid for $1.3 billion? Is this even allowed? As far as I know, the ICC hasn't made these figures public. So for now, it is pure speculation. My guess is that Sony's bid was a lot higher than $1.3 billion, and probably more than $2 billion. I would have preferred SONY, because their quality (both TV and online streaming) is much better than Disney-Star. Disney is a bit money minded and doesn't care much about the quality.

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Whatever happened in the last match of Asia cup but i would like to say both teams did their best and we got a winner, but other things ahead the next Match which is going to happen between the AFG and BAN is going to be excited as both teams are strong enough to tackle each other thats going to be interesting.

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Quote from: jaberwock on August 29, 2022, 02:49:30 PM

Quote from: YinShuiSiYuan on August 28, 2022, 05:50:48 AM

Cricket is mostly concentrated in India, 1.3 billion people crazy for cricket and thats the main reason why we see such a huge price for media rights of Indian markets. I dont think ICC will be able to generate that much revenue from other regions. Having said that ICC must do something to bring countries like Nepal, Ireland and Netherlands in test format.

There is no doubt India is the biggest market in cricket just because of this now they are taking good advantages as well so here no talking more about this is not positive because now it's time for having some stand for associate countries which are suffering badly specially countries which are having mostly native players they need more intention from ICC about their structure and other things which are important for them to stay in main stream and developed quality but sadly right now ICC or any big country are not interested in this matter which is surely a problem for them.

Countries like Zimbabwe and Kenya are improving something but still not able to do things which are more important due to domestic issues and these things are beyond from ICC here they have to check for themselves and bring better and fair system which could be acceptable for all.

As teams get more opportunity to play against different teams, they keep improving. This suits with all formats of cricket. No market can stand equal to India, to have the attention making schedule for the teams with India will be fair and doesn't disturb the revenue generation. In few years time only few countries will be playing test format cricket.

ICC doesn't encourage more countries, even though they're capable. When more countries get into cricket the control might move hands, and that too a big reason why they doesn't want to take cricket being played by the grown countries of the world.

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Quote from: YinShuiSiYuan on August 28, 2022, 05:50:48 AM

Cricket is mostly concentrated in India, 1.3 billion people crazy for cricket and thats the main reason why we see such a huge price for media rights of Indian markets. I dont think ICC will be able to generate that much revenue from other regions. Having said that ICC must do something to bring countries like Nepal, Ireland and Netherlands in test format.

There is no doubt India is the biggest market in cricket just because of this now they are taking good advantages as well so here no talking more about this is not positive because now it's time for having some stand for associate countries which are suffering badly specially countries which are having mostly native players they need more intention from ICC about their structure and other things which are important for them to stay in main stream and developed quality but sadly right now ICC or any big country are not interested in this matter which is surely a problem for them.

Countries like Zimbabwe and Kenya are improving something but still not able to do things which are more important due to domestic issues and these things are beyond from ICC here they have to check for themselves and bring better and fair system which could be acceptable for all.

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Quote from: Haunebu on August 24, 2022, 02:03:56 PM

Quote from: DanWalker on August 24, 2022, 02:25:13 AM

A lot of things that cricket needs doesn’t seem to be a priority for the ICC right now. It feels like money is the actual priority of ICC. As long as the money is flowing they don’t care about what happens to the game.

It's not just the ICC which functions in this manner. Other big organizations like FIFA, NFL, NBA etc also function in a similar manner. It all comes down to money at the end of the day.

@DanWalker, Agreed.

Haunebu, Yes, I understand and I agree that at the end of the day, it all boils down to money at the end of the day. But as far as I know, the other organizations actually care about their respective games. They understand that without the improvement of the game the money is not going to be there, so they are working to make the game better.

However, when it comes to the ICC, it seems as if they are not even caring about the game at all. Otherwise, they at least would have tried to increase the number of teams that play cricket regularly. There is nothing funny about holding a World Cup with only 10 teams because that would be a joke Cheesy

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Quote from: eaLiTy on August 28, 2022, 01:24:07 PM

T20 started gaining popularity after 2007 and till now we had 4 Olympics after that and you cannot count the 2008 Olympics considering T20 started gaining popularity after 2007. Next Olympics is in Paris and the realistic possibility of inclusion is the 2032 Olympics which is taking place in Brisbane and the host nation can suggest which games to include when they are hosting and Cricket will be a real possiblity.

Cricket is not a new game rather its as old as hills, still its not seen in any Olympics till date. The real reason is ICC along with big parties are not interested in taking cricket to Olympics. No matter how much you and me discuss here, its only about what ICC wants.

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Quote from: Ayers on August 07, 2022, 11:43:20 AM

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when i said that there are not too many teams playing cricket right now i meant not many teams playing cricket right now regularly, tell me when did you last see a cricket match between an associate team? let alone watch the whole match

if anyone is actually watching the whole match which is being played by two associate teams, i think they should get a life, i bet that the citizens of many associate countries don’t even know that they have a cricket team, lol

Will start for this year alone and which associate teams were playing and here you can check out the matches that took place this year alone including the results.

https://www.icc-cricket.com/live-cricket/mens-results

Watching all the matches is another aspect. I wont be watching all the matches even when the top teams are playing unless there is an interesting situation in the match or whenever i am placing a bet, i will be watching the matches. Fact is no one is having the time to watch all the sporting events as there is too much Cricket being played among the top nations and no one can follow all the matches.

Quote from: Ayers on August 07, 2022, 11:43:20 AM

there is a lot of shorter cricket being played right now, including the t-ten format, yes i know it’s still going to be a pretty time-consuming match, but it’s a lot better than having a five-day match with no results, i don’t think the Olympics committee should have any problems arranging t20 matches

T20 started gaining popularity after 2007 and till now we had 4 Olympics after that and you cannot count the 2008 Olympics considering T20 started gaining popularity after 2007. Next Olympics is in Paris and the realistic possibility of inclusion is the 2032 Olympics which is taking place in Brisbane and the host nation can suggest which games to include when they are hosting and Cricket will be a real possiblity.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on August 27, 2022, 09:54:46 PM

Their reserve price was $1.44 billion for 4-year cycle (2024-27) and $4 billion for the 8-year cycle (2024-31). ICC went with the 4-year deal, since it was more lucrative for them. Exact amount being paid by Disney-Star is not known, but the ICC guys were saying that it is close to $3 billion. So much more than what they were initially expecting. And more importantly, this is just for the Indian market. Media rights auction for US-UK markets will happen next, followed by rest of Asia. Just hope that some of that amount will trickle down to the associate boards.

Cricket is mostly concentrated in India, 1.3 billion people crazy for cricket and thats the main reason why we see such a huge price for media rights of Indian markets. I dont think ICC will be able to generate that much revenue from other regions. Having said that ICC must do something to bring countries like Nepal, Ireland and Netherlands in test format.

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Quote from: JSRAW on August 28, 2022, 02:09:49 AM

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Quote from: JSRAW on August 27, 2022, 11:36:01 AM

Heard that the top bid was closed to $3 billion and it's just for 4 years.
ICC must be feeling lovey dovey after the final numbers and I'm sure the ICC office will get some early fat checks too as a bonus.

Their reserve price was $1.44 billion for 4-year cycle (2024-27) and $4 billion for the 8-year cycle (2024-31). ICC went with the 4-year deal, since it was more lucrative for them. Exact amount being paid by Disney-Star is not known, but the ICC guys were saying that it is close to $3 billion. So much more than what they were initially expecting. And more importantly, this is just for the Indian market. Media rights auction for US-UK markets will happen next, followed by rest of Asia. Just hope that some of that amount will trickle down to the associate boards.

I feel bad for associate boards in advance.
Now picture is more clear and it looks like ICC has achieved its target by organizing a close bid. Just look at the difference between winning bid and 2nd best bid. The difference is close to $2 Billion.
Disney is rich but they won't be much happy after seeing the massive difference and fell into FOMO trap, time will tell if they overpaid or not. That's why one needs a transparent process at auction.

I still don't think that Disney overpaid. I think that money is put into the right hands. But obviously, if there was good enough transparency in the auction I don't think Disney actually would have bid that much money. But obviously, Disney is a very big company and they wouldn't probably even bother too much about paying this much money. And I would say that ICC went for the right deal to go for 4 years.

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Quote from: JSRAW on August 27, 2022, 11:36:01 AM

Heard that the top bid was closed to $3 billion and it's just for 4 years.

ICC must be feeling lovey dovey after the final numbers and I'm sure the ICC office will get some early fat checks too as a bonus.

Their reserve price was $1.44 billion for 4-year cycle (2024-27) and $4 billion for the 8-year cycle (2024-31). ICC went with the 4-year deal, since it was more lucrative for them. Exact amount being paid by Disney-Star is not known, but the ICC guys were saying that it is close to $3 billion. So much more than what they were initially expecting. And more importantly, this is just for the Indian market. Media rights auction for US-UK markets will happen next, followed by rest of Asia. Just hope that some of that amount will trickle down to the associate boards.

I feel bad for associate boards in advance.

Now picture is more clear and it looks like ICC has achieved its target by organizing a close bid. Just look at the difference between winning bid and 2nd best bid. The difference is close to $2 Billion.

Disney is rich but they won't be much happy after seeing the massive difference and fell into FOMO trap, time will tell if they overpaid or not. That's why one needs a transparent process at auction.

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Quote from: JSRAW on August 27, 2022, 11:36:01 AM

Heard that the top bid was closed to $3 billion and it's just for 4 years.

ICC must be feeling lovey dovey after the final numbers and I'm sure the ICC office will get some early fat checks too as a bonus.

Their reserve price was $1.44 billion for 4-year cycle (2024-27) and $4 billion for the 8-year cycle (2024-31). ICC went with the 4-year deal, since it was more lucrative for them. Exact amount being paid by Disney-Star is not known, but the ICC guys were saying that it is close to $3 billion. So much more than what they were initially expecting. And more importantly, this is just for the Indian market. Media rights auction for US-UK markets will happen next, followed by rest of Asia. Just hope that some of that amount will trickle down to the associate boards.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on August 26, 2022, 11:10:28 PM

IMO, DRS has more than 98% accuracy. And that is the maximum we can expect. When was the last time, we heard someone complaining about any of the DRS decisions? I know about only 2-3 cases, out of thousands of matches. So it is very rare.

BTW, the latest news from ICC is that they have already identified the winner of media rights auction. A total of 4 bidders took part in the process - Sony, Viacom, Disney Star and Zee. ICC has announced that the difference between the top bid and the second placed one is more than 10% and therefore no second round bidding will take place. The identity of the winner will be revealed by today (Saturday).

Technology is finding his way to every sport, even in Football we are seeing the review system. Last time we saw Kohli complaining about DRS against SA in test series and that was a bit controversial. Other then that everyone seems to be ok with this DRS technology.

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Quote from: Haunebu on August 27, 2022, 10:39:10 AM

Quote from: Sithara007 on August 26, 2022, 11:10:28 PM

IMO, DRS has more than 98% accuracy. And that is the maximum we can expect. When was the last time, we heard someone complaining about any of the DRS decisions? I know about only 2-3 cases, out of thousands of matches. So it is very rare.

Agreed. I simply wanted to point out the fact that DRS isn't a perfect system just like similar systems in other sports despite its being very high as you mentioned.

Even too many objections and flaws in this DRS system but still this is the best for current cricket because we have no other suitable better option for this which replace this and give better results in difficult situations hopefully as technology is progressing we will have some better things in near future right now nothing is going to cover this all and ICC and their B-4 are also happy with this all, so it's going to be had safe future here in ODI and T20.

If someone is not happy with this then surely he needs to do invest big amount and try to have rooftop stadiums which can end this all, and we can watch games without any interruption which will be also good for all but not possible for all as it's going to be not reachable for all boards in the cricket world.

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