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Quote from: Maidak on April 17, 2022, 10:50:18 AM

I really have to be honest that I don't find too many people in the top few countries having bowling action problems. I really can't remember when I heard about an Australian bowler or an England bowler having problems with their actions. obviously, I can be wrong but I honestly cannot remember. and we all know how ICC is towards the countries that are paying them better money.

Maybe you are right in your logic about better money, but I want to say one thing domestic system in Australia and England are very strong and if any bowler having any issue related to this then they mostly send him in academies and having to solve this and then join again, or they drop him from their county as well because they feel he is not eligible for this so just because of this we never have any case from these two top ranked countries in cricket.

Here in other developing countries they have no enough technology and better system which help these youngsters so as they reach in international level then empires catch them, and they face these problems which are mostly controversial because these countries and players mostly feel these things are not fair, and they are afraid of this bowler, so they are doing these dirty tactics.

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Quote from: Maidak on April 17, 2022, 10:50:18 AM

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I really have to be honest that I don't find too many people in the top few countries having bowling action problems. I really can't remember when I heard about an Australian bowler or an England bowler having problems with their actions. obviously, I can be wrong but I honestly cannot remember. and we all know how ICC is towards the countries that are paying them better money.

There is a reason for that, if you are found to have a suspected bowling action you will not be selected to play in first class matches let alone play for the country and hence you wont be able to see anyone with suspected action. I do accept that Mohammad Hasnain who is declared illegal recently, i did not personally seen any issue with the bowling action after watching some of his spells and yet to see his delivery that is deemed illegal.

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Quote from: romero121 on April 17, 2022, 04:18:38 AM

The bowling correction is very common with all levels of bowlers from all countries. There is nothing as the bowlers from specific countries weren't reported. Even before entering the international cricket career players were corrected for the bowling action. The latest bowler from India to have bowling correction after suspect action is Natarajan.
Natarajan corrected his action to save career

I really have to be honest that I don't find too many people in the top few countries having bowling action problems. I really can't remember when I heard about an Australian bowler or an England bowler having problems with their actions. obviously, I can be wrong but I honestly cannot remember. and we all know how ICC is towards the countries that are paying them better money.

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Quote from: blatchcorn on April 17, 2022, 06:08:18 AM

Quote from: JSRAW on April 17, 2022, 03:55:19 AM

Ashwin do deserve mention in this list. In early his career he also faced similar charges but this fucker is engineer so he came up with the so called ridiculous solution. He started wearing freaking full sleeves to avoid any unnecessary attention in start of his career, i am not making this shit up as these are actually his own words. No wonder everyone hates his mf ethical mind.

PS : Big fan of Ashwin.

Saeed Ajmal also wear full sleeve shirt but was reported. I don't think ashwin was ever reported and corrected his action. Based on historical data any player that is reported ever has gone forever and won't ever be able to resume his international career.

Yes, that's correct and when Ashwin revealed this inside information. ICC kinda shadow banned this practice. Saeed Ajmal also talked about Ashwin being big mouth in the past.

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Was not aware of this, in his youtube channel he talks openly about things he faced and share everything and may be he shared this in his youtube channel. Even with full sleeves now it is easy to identify with all the cameras available Cheesy

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His content in his channel is amazing. I don't understand tamil but i always try to watch his video with subtitles and i have to say he does have an ethical mind lol. Very insightful and tactical individual, no wonder he knows every loophole in ICC playbook and remember every law.

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Quote from: eaLiTy on April 17, 2022, 07:15:06 AM

Quote from: JSRAW on April 17, 2022, 03:55:19 AM

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Ashwin do deserve mention in this list. In early his career he also faced similar charges but this fucker is engineer so he came up with the so called ridiculous solution. He started wearing freaking full sleeves to avoid any unnecessary attention in start of his career, i am not making this shit up as these are actually his own words. No wonder everyone hates his mf ethical mind.

PS : Big fan of Ashwin.

Was not aware of this, in his youtube channel he talks openly about things he faced and share everything and may be he shared this in his youtube channel. Even with full sleeves now it is easy to identify with all the cameras available Cheesy

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I actually know about this and also remember. At that time Technology was not so great and they could get away with certain things. and this was amongst one of them. He is a good bowler no doubt about that, he thought it really great that wearing full sleeves is going to take away unnecessary attention from his bowling action. But it is also an aspect now that's really hard because almost everything is going to be monitored really closely.

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Quote from: Theones on April 15, 2022, 11:34:11 AM

Quote from: blatchcorn on April 12, 2022, 05:17:48 AM

India still is far behind Pakistan and Australia in pace attack they have good batsmen and spinners. Only we saw medium fast bowlers in Indian team. Zaheer khan, Irfan pathan are two quality fast bowlers in the squad right now it's Bumrah who is there main pace bowlers but as I said they never have genuine Fast bowler like Shoaib Akhtar or Brett Lee.

Pakistani strength is the bowling and they look towards their bowler for a win - although in the recent Aussie and Pakistan series, Pakistan did well in batting line as well.. But I agree that Pakistan produced a lot of good bowlers and they made their mark in the world.

Pakistan is a very good team. Pakistan can do much better in both batting and bowling.Babar Azam and Mohammad Rizwan are the two batsmen who can perform very well and are very good for the team. Currently marked as top batting.I love Pakistan cricket team very much. And I enjoy every game.

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Quote from: romero121 on April 17, 2022, 04:18:38 AM

The bowling correction is very common with all levels of bowlers from all countries. There is nothing as the bowlers from specific countries weren't reported. Even before entering the international cricket career players were corrected for the bowling action. The latest bowler from India to have bowling correction after suspect action is Natarajan.
Natarajan corrected his action to save career

Natarajan's case is one of the few success stories of bowlers who made a comeback, despite being reported for suspect action. He was reported immediately after his first Ranji Trophy match and spent the next one and half years correcting his action. And despite all that, he performed exceptionally well in the TNPL and finally got in to the IPL. And from there, it was a dream journey. He made the T20I, ODI and Test match debut for India during the same tour. In the end, India got another quality left arm pacer after Zaheer and Pathan.

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Quote from: jostorres on April 17, 2022, 03:01:35 AM

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Quote from: eaLiTy on April 15, 2022, 12:31:31 PM

I am watching Cricket from the 80s and you want to hear about anyone from India who was reported for illegal bowling action, Harbhajan Singh was reported and he rectified his bowling action and came back, all of the bowlers that were reported used to rectify their bowling issues and return back. Since you asked for specific bowlers reported from India alone, i will give you a list of bowlers, Sachin Chaudhari, Sarandeep Singh, Siddharth Trivedi.
So lets not create a narrative that only players from countries that are not part of big 3 will be reported.

Only harbhajan was top bowler reported and miraculously he corrected his bowling others bowlers were not of world class. While players from Pakistan continue to face this illegal bowling action ban like saeed ajmal, Muhammad hafeez and latest is Muhammad hasnain.

I agree here with this mostly bowlers from Pakistan and Sri Lanka reported for illegal action and then mostly they side-lined for this offence because mostly have no latest technology and relative things for settling their action, so they lost their career we have many examples, but we have never these things happened in big three countries and if sometime someone talks about this then these big three have shut up call for this so no one can go against them.
Few decades back when there were no good fast bowler and West Indies were in strong position they banned more than one bouncer which hurt them very badly and then have many rules for stopping them, and they were completely successful in this case after this they have illegal action rules for countries like Pakistan and Sri Lanka now most of the rules in test and other formats are favouring batsmen which is really poor by them.

I think these rules were made because at that time only a few countries had really good fast bowlers who were able to Bounce the ball and the top three countries were really afraid of them. And that's why the rules were being made to favor the batsman instead of the bowlers.

But I think the rules are ok to be made like this because it is true that otherwise there will be not many runs and people are not going to enjoy Cricket like they are. It is really rare to see the bowlers from the top three get any punishment.

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Quote from: galambo on April 16, 2022, 02:49:39 AM

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Only harbhajan was top bowler reported and miraculously he corrected his bowling others bowlers were not of world class. While players from Pakistan continue to face this illegal bowling action ban like saeed ajmal, Muhammad hafeez and latest is Muhammad hasnain.

They will monitor their on field performance once they are reported even after rectification and if they continue to bowl the same way they will get another opportunity to fix them and if they continue the same way they will get banned. Saeed Ajmal got the same opportunities and he did not rectify them and hence banned and same with Hafeez.

Quote from: JSRAW on April 17, 2022, 03:55:19 AM

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Ashwin do deserve mention in this list. In early his career he also faced similar charges but this fucker is engineer so he came up with the so called ridiculous solution. He started wearing freaking full sleeves to avoid any unnecessary attention in start of his career, i am not making this shit up as these are actually his own words. No wonder everyone hates his mf ethical mind.

PS : Big fan of Ashwin.

Was not aware of this, in his youtube channel he talks openly about things he faced and share everything and may be he shared this in his youtube channel. Even with full sleeves now it is easy to identify with all the cameras available Cheesy

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Quote from: JSRAW on April 17, 2022, 03:55:19 AM

Ashwin do deserve mention in this list. In early his career he also faced similar charges but this fucker is engineer so he came up with the so called ridiculous solution. He started wearing freaking full sleeves to avoid any unnecessary attention in start of his career, i am not making this shit up as these are actually his own words. No wonder everyone hates his mf ethical mind.

PS : Big fan of Ashwin.

Saeed Ajmal also wear full sleeve shirt but was reported. I don't think ashwin was ever reported and corrected his action. Based on historical data any player that is reported ever has gone forever and won't ever be able to resume his international career.

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The bowling correction is very common with all levels of bowlers from all countries. There is nothing as the bowlers from specific countries weren't reported. Even before entering the international cricket career players were corrected for the bowling action. The latest bowler from India to have bowling correction after suspect action is Natarajan.
Natarajan corrected his action to save career

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Quote from: eaLiTy on April 15, 2022, 12:31:31 PM

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Mushtaq and Qadir used to bowl in 80s and early 90s, do we have such sophisticated technology and strict rules at that time? How about Saeed Ajmal ? He was also a leg spinner and doing so good before got banned for illegal action. I don't know why any bolwer from big 3 is reported.

I am watching Cricket from the 80s and you want to hear about anyone from India who was reported for illegal bowling action, Harbhajan Singh was reported and he rectified his bowling action and came back, all of the bowlers that were reported used to rectify their bowling issues and return back. Since you asked for specific bowlers reported from India alone, i will give you a list of bowlers, Sachin Chaudhari, Sarandeep Singh, Siddharth Trivedi.

So lets not create a narrative that only players from countries that are not part of big 3 will be reported.

Ashwin do deserve mention in this list. In early his career he also faced similar charges but this fucker is engineer so he came up with the so called ridiculous solution. He started wearing freaking full sleeves to avoid any unnecessary attention in start of his career, i am not making this shit up as these are actually his own words. No wonder everyone hates his mf ethical mind.

PS : Big fan of Ashwin.

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Quote from: galambo on April 16, 2022, 02:49:39 AM

Quote from: eaLiTy on April 15, 2022, 12:31:31 PM

I am watching Cricket from the 80s and you want to hear about anyone from India who was reported for illegal bowling action, Harbhajan Singh was reported and he rectified his bowling action and came back, all of the bowlers that were reported used to rectify their bowling issues and return back. Since you asked for specific bowlers reported from India alone, i will give you a list of bowlers, Sachin Chaudhari, Sarandeep Singh, Siddharth Trivedi.

So lets not create a narrative that only players from countries that are not part of big 3 will be reported.

Only harbhajan was top bowler reported and miraculously he corrected his bowling others bowlers were not of world class. While players from Pakistan continue to face this illegal bowling action ban like saeed ajmal, Muhammad hafeez and latest is Muhammad hasnain.

I agree here with this mostly bowlers from Pakistan and Sri Lanka reported for illegal action and then mostly they side-lined for this offence because mostly have no latest technology and relative things for settling their action, so they lost their career we have many examples, but we have never these things happened in big three countries and if sometime someone talks about this then these big three have shut up call for this so no one can go against them.

Few decades back when there were no good fast bowler and West Indies were in strong position they banned more than one bouncer which hurt them very badly and then have many rules for stopping them, and they were completely successful in this case after this they have illegal action rules for countries like Pakistan and Sri Lanka now most of the rules in test and other formats are favouring batsmen which is really poor by them.

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Quote from: eaLiTy on April 15, 2022, 12:31:31 PM

I am watching Cricket from the 80s and you want to hear about anyone from India who was reported for illegal bowling action, Harbhajan Singh was reported and he rectified his bowling action and came back, all of the bowlers that were reported used to rectify their bowling issues and return back. Since you asked for specific bowlers reported from India alone, i will give you a list of bowlers, Sachin Chaudhari, Sarandeep Singh, Siddharth Trivedi.

So lets not create a narrative that only players from countries that are not part of big 3 will be reported.

Only harbhajan was top bowler reported and miraculously he corrected his bowling others bowlers were not of world class. While players from Pakistan continue to face this illegal bowling action ban like saeed ajmal, Muhammad hafeez and latest is Muhammad hasnain.

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Quote from: galambo on April 15, 2022, 11:45:57 AM

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Mushtaq and Qadir used to bowl in 80s and early 90s, do we have such sophisticated technology and strict rules at that time? How about Saeed Ajmal ? He was also a leg spinner and doing so good before got banned for illegal action. I don't know why any bolwer from big 3 is reported.

I am watching Cricket from the 80s and you want to hear about anyone from India who was reported for illegal bowling action, Harbhajan Singh was reported and he rectified his bowling action and came back, all of the bowlers that were reported used to rectify their bowling issues and return back. Since you asked for specific bowlers reported from India alone, i will give you a list of bowlers, Sachin Chaudhari, Sarandeep Singh, Siddharth Trivedi.

So lets not create a narrative that only players from countries that are not part of big 3 will be reported.

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Quote from: 7788bitcoin on April 14, 2022, 03:37:06 PM

Abdul Qadir and Mushtaq Ahmed are leg spinners and no one could throw a ball bowling leg spin and hence no complaints can be raised even if you wanted and Wasim Akram was a fast bowler who never faced any controversy in his bowling action rather he was praised for his skill level globally. I am not sure which of your favorite players were reported for illegal action Tongue

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Mushtaq and Qadir used to bowl in 80s and early 90s, do we have such sophisticated technology and strict rules at that time? How about Saeed Ajmal ? He was also a leg spinner and doing so good before got banned for illegal action. I don't know why any bolwer from big 3 is reported.

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Quote from: blatchcorn on April 12, 2022, 05:17:48 AM

India still is far behind Pakistan and Australia in pace attack they have good batsmen and spinners. Only we saw medium fast bowlers in Indian team. Zaheer khan, Irfan pathan are two quality fast bowlers in the squad right now it's Bumrah who is there main pace bowlers but as I said they never have genuine Fast bowler like Shoaib Akhtar or Brett Lee.

Pakistani strength is the bowling and they look towards their bowler for a win - although in the recent Aussie and Pakistan series, Pakistan did well in batting line as well.. But I agree that Pakistan produced a lot of good bowlers and they made their mark in the world.

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Quote from: CryptoBuds on April 14, 2022, 06:39:20 PM

^ It is certainly going to affect him no doubt. But will he be able to perform like before is the real test for him. The speed will reduce a little and we understand that.
But, I would really like him to hone his skills really well. So that even if he loses a little speed he is still a nightmare for any batsman. Even though it seems like cricket has evolved so much and change of pace is a lot more important than bowling at 150 plus consistently, I think he will do great.

We all are looking forward to see Hasnain back in action but seeing the previous data available there are not much hopes. The only thing going in favor of Hasnain is that he is young and may be he can mold himself in new bowling action. It will be good if he can maintain both his pace and consistency with new bowling action.

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I am not much hopeful about Hasnain. In the past I have seen a lot of bowlers undergoing re-hab. Only a very few returned to the international scene after doing so. I really doubt whether we will ever get to see someone like Akhtar or Lee again in international cricket. Nowadays I don't see any bowler even attempting to break the 100 mph barrier. Back then, in addition to Akhtar and Lee, we had at least half a dozen bowlers including Shane Bond and Mfuneko Ngam. The last time someone hit the 160 kmph mark was in 2015, when Mitchell Starc had one of his deliveries clocked at 160.4 km/hr (99.7 mph) against New Zealand.

You are very much right as nobody came back after correcting his action. Bowling action is something gifted by nature and you cant make it yourself using technology. In T20 cricket there is no respect for bowlers, you bowl a good delivery and got six on it and got wicket on poor delivery. Hasnain is just 23 years and lets hope he resumes his cricket with correct action.

@Sithara007 you’re correct because he’ll have to drop pace to get his action corrected, but if he can somehow yet manage to get those speedy balls on the stumps then he’ll become a nightmare for the batsman. Furthermore at his age I’m sure that he’ll be able to bounce back, but he should be slowly used so his body can adjust to the new action.

^ It is certainly going to affect him no doubt. But will he be able to perform like before is the real test for him. The speed will reduce a little and we understand that.
But, I would really like him to hone his skills really well. So that even if he loses a little speed he is still a nightmare for any batsman. Even though it seems like cricket has evolved so much and change of pace is a lot more important than bowling at 150 plus consistently, I think he will do great.

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Yeah, Pakistan is well known for its all form of bowlers. Each bowler too have some names to mention their bowling. For Shoaib Akhtar it is Rawalpindi Express. Young players are much in Pakistan, but very few gets the opportunity. I believe there are more academies for cricket, but what is necessary is the playing experience against a team than the net practice. Right now they've got PSL which will surely make more young players shine for Pakistan.

PSL can bring a positive change in identifying new talents and it is evident in the IPL, there are bowlers who i am seeing for the first time who is bowling at really good pace and i usually do not watch the IPL but this year i am watching most of the matches because i entered the competition here and placing bet on matches.

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Abdul Qadir, Saqlain, Mushtaq, Wasim etc were lucky enough to play cricket before the era of this technology and Big-3. Now only players of small boards action are reported, you will never see any talented bowler from big 3 getting banned. Now there is need to have some sort of guidance during initial days of bowler to report his action.

Abdul Qadir and Mushtaq Ahmed are leg spinners and no one could throw a ball bowling leg spin and hence no complaints can be raised even if you wanted and Wasim Akram was a fast bowler who never faced any controversy in his bowling action rather he was praised for his skill level globally. I am not sure which of your favorite players were reported for illegal action Tongue

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I think in modern time when there is such a huge media coverage - and the time which is called an era of social media. Celebrities are very conscious and they try to keep themselves away from controversies because the news spread like a wild fire. With this we hear less controversial news about celebrities.

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