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Quote from: KennyR on April 10, 2022, 06:54:07 PM

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I was listening to Saqlain Mushtaq interview (he is the one who corrected saeed ajmal bowling action), he says that I told Ajmal it will take 6 months before your new bowling action will be matured. Since he has very little time left because of his age he couldn't made it. Hasnain is young and New let's hope PCB can do some help to him.

Pakistan has historically some of the legendary bowlers in Cricket history, including Abdul Qadir and Mushtaq Ahmed, those were leg spinning genius and Saqlain Mushtaq is the bowler who invented dosara, then their fast bowling legends who invented reverse swing, like Waqar Younis and Wasim Akram. If they can start an academy and groom young talents they could still produce great players but i am not sure what they are doing.

Yeah, Pakistan is well known for its all form of bowlers. Each bowler too have some names to mention their bowling. For Shoaib Akhtar it is Rawalpindi Express. Young players are much in Pakistan, but very few gets the opportunity. I believe there are more academies for cricket, but what is necessary is the playing experience against a team than the net practice. Right now they've got PSL which will surely make more young players shine for Pakistan.

I think in the subcontinent only Pakistan is the team that is known especially for its bowling capability. Pakistan has produced several greats of cricket in past years. We all know that even the great Shoaib Akhter had some problems with his action but it was fixed and he is still the greatest fast bowler in my opinion.

I obviously don't think that this new tad will be able to do something quite as special as Shoaib Akhter, and I also don't expect him to be as better as he is before his change of action. But I do expect him to serve Pakistan pretty well even after the change.

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Quote from: blatchcorn on April 10, 2022, 03:10:24 AM

I was listening to Saqlain Mushtaq interview (he is the one who corrected saeed ajmal bowling action), he says that I told Ajmal it will take 6 months before your new bowling action will be matured. Since he has very little time left because of his age he couldn't made it. Hasnain is young and New let's hope PCB can do some help to him.

Pakistan has historically some of the legendary bowlers in Cricket history, including Abdul Qadir and Mushtaq Ahmed, those were leg spinning genius and Saqlain Mushtaq is the bowler who invented dosara, then their fast bowling legends who invented reverse swing, like Waqar Younis and Wasim Akram. If they can start an academy and groom young talents they could still produce great players but i am not sure what they are doing.

Yeah, Pakistan is well known for its all form of bowlers. Each bowler too have some names to mention their bowling. For Shoaib Akhtar it is Rawalpindi Express. Young players are much in Pakistan, but very few gets the opportunity. I believe there are more academies for cricket, but what is necessary is the playing experience against a team than the net practice. Right now they've got PSL which will surely make more young players shine for Pakistan.

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Quote from: blatchcorn on April 10, 2022, 03:10:24 AM

I was listening to Saqlain Mushtaq interview (he is the one who corrected saeed ajmal bowling action), he says that I told Ajmal it will take 6 months before your new bowling action will be matured. Since he has very little time left because of his age he couldn't made it. Hasnain is young and New let's hope PCB can do some help to him.

Pakistan has historically some of the legendary bowlers in Cricket history, including Abdul Qadir and Mushtaq Ahmed, those were leg spinning genius and Saqlain Mushtaq is the bowler who invented dosara, then their fast bowling legends who invented reverse swing, like Waqar Younis and Wasim Akram. If they can start an academy and groom young talents they could still produce great players but i am not sure what they are doing.

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Quote from: Swordsoffreedom on April 10, 2022, 02:37:46 AM

The best thing about this kid is he has time on his side. He is not old and has a lot of time to improve. But the problem is if he does not perform at his previous level he might just get overlooked, which can be detrimental to any player in his career.

Yes he is very young and if his board can help him he can definitely come back to international cricket. But this will take time and he must not panic as he has lots of time to recover. He is just 22 years and played around 25 international games for Pakistan.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on April 09, 2022, 08:51:53 PM

Well.. I agree. In most of the Asian countries, the bowling action for domestic players is not under close scrutiny. Only if they play in franchise T20 cricket or international matches, the suspect bowling action is reported. Nowadays the technology has progressed a lot, and many of the domestic matches are being broadcasted or streamed live. Now this increases the chance of suspect action getting noticed by the match officials. Now coming to Hasnain, chances are low that he will be able to perform at his previous level. But let's be hopeful.

I was listening to Saqlain Mushtaq interview (he is the one who corrected saeed ajmal bowling action), he says that I told Ajmal it will take 6 months before your new bowling action will be matured. Since he has very little time left because of his age he couldn't made it. Hasnain is young and New let's hope PCB can do some help to him.

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Its very hard to maintain same class with bowling action changed. Bolwers have a bowling action that they carry with them since they bowl first delivery of there life. We saw Saeed Ajmal got reported and after his action was cleared he couldn't maintain his original form. In countries like Pakistan bowling action are reported only once you are in international cricket before that in first class there is no check.

No doubt it's very hard for anyone to do this but keep one thing in mind age factor is still with this wonder kid, and he can do things even it's going to take some time because it's not all over for him PCB is doing some good work. Surely one poor thing is happening in Pakistan they are not doing any good and authentic work for checking these guys before their International entry, so it's hurting many guys hopefully in near future we will have some good changes in this way as well because now things are changing in positive way very quickly for them and after successful PSL and Australian tour they are feeling some healthy in financial sector which was concern for them in the past.
If we have some not wholesale changes in near then surely PCB could be on track for these young guys, and they will lead from front for their country in this fast bowling.

I know that he is not old but the problem is when you have to change your bowling action with a natural way to do something is taken away from you and that is not helpful. It obviously takes time to get used to a new action for anyone. We have seen Shane Warne having to change the bowling action because of his injury and after that, he was not as effective.

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Well.. I agree. In most of the Asian countries, the bowling action for domestic players is not under close scrutiny. Only if they play in franchise T20 cricket or international matches, the suspect bowling action is reported. Nowadays the technology has progressed a lot, and many of the domestic matches are being broadcasted or streamed live. Now this increases the chance of suspect action getting noticed by the match officials. Now coming to Hasnain, chances are low that he will be able to perform at his previous level. But let's be hopeful.

The best thing about this kid is he has time on his side. He is not old and has a lot of time to improve. But the problem is if he does not perform at his previous level he might just get overlooked, which can be detrimental to any player in his career.

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Quote from: blatchcorn on April 09, 2022, 12:37:12 AM

Its very hard to maintain same class with bowling action changed. Bolwers have a bowling action that they carry with them since they bowl first delivery of there life. We saw Saeed Ajmal got reported and after his action was cleared he couldn't maintain his original form. In countries like Pakistan bowling action are reported only once you are in international cricket before that in first class there is no check.

Well.. I agree. In most of the Asian countries, the bowling action for domestic players is not under close scrutiny. Only if they play in franchise T20 cricket or international matches, the suspect bowling action is reported. Nowadays the technology has progressed a lot, and many of the domestic matches are being broadcasted or streamed live. Now this increases the chance of suspect action getting noticed by the match officials. Now coming to Hasnain, chances are low that he will be able to perform at his previous level. But let's be hopeful.

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Quote from: blatchcorn on April 09, 2022, 12:37:12 AM

Its very hard to maintain same class with bowling action changed. Bolwers have a bowling action that they carry with them since they bowl first delivery of there life. We saw Saeed Ajmal got reported and after his action was cleared he couldn't maintain his original form. In countries like Pakistan bowling action are reported only once you are in international cricket before that in first class there is no check.

No doubt it's very hard for anyone to do this but keep one thing in mind age factor is still with this wonder kid, and he can do things even it's going to take some time because it's not all over for him PCB is doing some good work. Surely one poor thing is happening in Pakistan they are not doing any good and authentic work for checking these guys before their International entry, so it's hurting many guys hopefully in near future we will have some good changes in this way as well because now things are changing in positive way very quickly for them and after successful PSL and Australian tour they are feeling some healthy in financial sector which was concern for them in the past.

If we have some not wholesale changes in near then surely PCB could be on track for these young guys, and they will lead from front for their country in this fast bowling.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on April 08, 2022, 10:26:28 PM

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Muhammad Hasnain game is over as he is reported for illegal bowling action. Right now only shaheen is the one that has class. In 90s Pakistan has great bowlers like Imran Khan, wasim. Waqar, shoaib etc. Muhammad Asif was the one who was admired even by shoaib Akhtar but he was banned for spot fixing.

What happened to Hasnain is really unfortunate. He had a few good outings for Sydney Thunder in the BBL, before being reported for suspicious bowling action by the umpires. Now he is undergoing rehabilitation and need to change his bowling style. The big challenge is to ensure that his pace and venom remains the same even after changing the bowling action. And it can be very tough. In the past I have seen only a few bowlers managing to do it without any issues. Just hoping that the PCB is offering enough support to Hasnain.

I really don't think it is going to be the same after the rehabilitation. In the past, we have seen the same case where a bowler has to undergo rehabilitation and he was not the same bowler after he was cleared to play. He needs all the support from the Pakistan cricket board that he can get. but I highly doubt that he is going to be the same bowler with the same set of skills after this.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on April 08, 2022, 10:26:28 PM

What happened to Hasnain is really unfortunate. He had a few good outings for Sydney Thunder in the BBL, before being reported for suspicious bowling action by the umpires. Now he is undergoing rehabilitation and need to change his bowling style. The big challenge is to ensure that his pace and venom remains the same even after changing the bowling action. And it can be very tough. In the past I have seen only a few bowlers managing to do it without any issues. Just hoping that the PCB is offering enough support to Hasnain.

Its very hard to maintain same class with bowling action changed. Bolwers have a bowling action that they carry with them since they bowl first delivery of there life. We saw Saeed Ajmal got reported and after his action was cleared he couldn't maintain his original form. In countries like Pakistan bowling action are reported only once you are in international cricket before that in first class there is no check.

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Quote from: blatchcorn on April 08, 2022, 10:08:27 AM

Muhammad Hasnain game is over as he is reported for illegal bowling action. Right now only shaheen is the one that has class. In 90s Pakistan has great bowlers like Imran Khan, wasim. Waqar, shoaib etc. Muhammad Asif was the one who was admired even by shoaib Akhtar but he was banned for spot fixing.

What happened to Hasnain is really unfortunate. He had a few good outings for Sydney Thunder in the BBL, before being reported for suspicious bowling action by the umpires. Now he is undergoing rehabilitation and need to change his bowling style. The big challenge is to ensure that his pace and venom remains the same even after changing the bowling action. And it can be very tough. In the past I have seen only a few bowlers managing to do it without any issues. Just hoping that the PCB is offering enough support to Hasnain.

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Quote from: Smack That Ace on April 08, 2022, 06:07:23 PM

We do have some great individual players but I really think the whole team needs to be better, especially as a team. We can often see that if one or two well-known players do not perform for Pakistan, it becomes a real problem for them to win that match and that should not be the case.

I don't mean that all the players need to perform every day but each and every player needs to have the capability to win the match at any given time. and that capability makes a team strong.

It's not the case with Pakistan only I would say there are few other teams also that are relying too much on one to two players. Like England is too much relying on Root while Bangladesh on Shakib, only Australia is a team whose all 11 players contribute there part. That's why Australian rules cricket world for decades.

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Pakistan had great fast bowlers in the past and can you compare any of those legendary players with the bowlers Pakistan have right now. They had some great batsman who dominated any bowlers on their given day and now they had Babar Azam in that same standard and now they need to identify similar great players and then we can say they have a great Test team that can dominate anyone.

Pakistan do have some great young fast bowlers. Examples are Shaheen Shah Afridi, Naseem Shah and Muhammad Hasnain. Babar Azam is already being considered as one of the legends in international cricket. The same may happen with some of the younger bowlers, but it takes time. I don't know which one among the group will establish themselves in the future, but in the 90s, bowlers like Waqar Younis and Aaqib Javed started like them only. All that said, Pakistan first need to prepare quality tracks that offer some support for these bowlers.

We do have some great individual players but I really think the whole team needs to be better, especially as a team. We can often see that if one or two well-known players do not perform for Pakistan, it becomes a real problem for them to win that match and that should not be the case.

I don't mean that all the players need to perform every day but each and every player needs to have the capability to win the match at any given time. and that capability makes a team strong.

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Quote from: minairia3 on April 08, 2022, 11:25:24 AM

I agree that Pakistan was one of the best test-playing nations in the whole world. But, I think people need to realize that they were the best team in the world and it's in the past.

There was a time when Pakistani fast bowlers absolutely terrorized the opponent's batting lineup. and it was really great to see from a neutral point of view also.

But, in recent times Pakistan has not been up to the mark because of a lot of political and situational reasons. and to be honest I really don't think Pakistan is that bad. I just think that Pakistan really needs to have a little more confidence in themselves.

Pakistan need to come out from this bubble that they are still no 1 team like they were in late 90s. Pakistan right now is very much unpredictable and nothing can be said about how they will perform in there next match specially in T20 and ODIs. Like in recent ODI series with Aus they lost first match and in the next match they chased down a record target. In test they really need to perform well.

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Quote from: savetheFORUM on April 07, 2022, 03:32:43 PM

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In Test cricket, Pakistan is obviously not one of the best teams because Obviously, they are sixth in the standings. and it is not just good enough to say that they are one of the best.
if there were a lot more teams playing like 50 or 60 and among them Pakistan was sixth, then it would have been ok to say that they are one of the top teams,
but there are only 10 teams playing regularly and being the six amongst them is not good enough to be a top team.

In last one decade Pakistan suffers badly due to terrorism issues and unable to play at home which hurts them very badly otherwise Pakistan is still top ranked team in test history with their overall percentage now after successful tour of Australia we can say they will do some better and take higher rank in ICC test ranking which could be third or fourth is surely in near future which could be increased after some good number of matches.

But, if someone says Pakistan is not good test side it's his own view without checking all details about test history and their record because Pakistan is fourth-best test playing cricket side in test history.

Recently we have some good decline in test matches which is surely hurting few countries because ICC is never been a good sports authority which can handle this all fairly, so it's beneficial for few countries so if they manage for all then surely we can expect some good results from other countries as well.

I agree that Pakistan was one of the best test-playing nations in the whole world. But, I think people need to realize that they were the best team in the world and it's in the past.

There was a time when Pakistani fast bowlers absolutely terrorized the opponent's batting lineup. and it was really great to see from a neutral point of view also.

But, in recent times Pakistan has not been up to the mark because of a lot of political and situational reasons. and to be honest I really don't think Pakistan is that bad. I just think that Pakistan really needs to have a little more confidence in themselves.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on April 07, 2022, 09:16:11 PM

Pakistan do have some great young fast bowlers. Examples are Shaheen Shah Afridi, Naseem Shah and Muhammad Hasnain. Babar Azam is already being considered as one of the legends in international cricket. The same may happen with some of the younger bowlers, but it takes time. I don't know which one among the group will establish themselves in the future, but in the 90s, bowlers like Waqar Younis and Aaqib Javed started like them only. All that said, Pakistan first need to prepare quality tracks that offer some support for these bowlers.

Muhammad Hasnain game is over as he is reported for illegal bowling action. Right now only shaheen is the one that has class. In 90s Pakistan has great bowlers like Imran Khan, wasim. Waqar, shoaib etc. Muhammad Asif was the one who was admired even by shoaib Akhtar but he was banned for spot fixing.

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Quote from: 7788bitcoin on April 07, 2022, 06:40:23 PM

Pakistan had great fast bowlers in the past and can you compare any of those legendary players with the bowlers Pakistan have right now. They had some great batsman who dominated any bowlers on their given day and now they had Babar Azam in that same standard and now they need to identify similar great players and then we can say they have a great Test team that can dominate anyone.

Pakistan do have some great young fast bowlers. Examples are Shaheen Shah Afridi, Naseem Shah and Muhammad Hasnain. Babar Azam is already being considered as one of the legends in international cricket. The same may happen with some of the younger bowlers, but it takes time. I don't know which one among the group will establish themselves in the future, but in the 90s, bowlers like Waqar Younis and Aaqib Javed started like them only. All that said, Pakistan first need to prepare quality tracks that offer some support for these bowlers.

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Quote from: savetheFORUM on April 07, 2022, 03:32:43 PM

In last one decade Pakistan suffers badly due to terrorism issues and unable to play at home which hurts them very badly otherwise Pakistan is still top ranked team in test history with their overall percentage now after successful tour of Australia we can say they will do some better and take higher rank in ICC test ranking which could be third or fourth is surely in near future which could be increased after some good number of matches.

But, if someone says Pakistan is not good test side it's his own view without checking all details about test history and their record because Pakistan is fourth-best test playing cricket side in test history.

Recently we have some good decline in test matches which is surely hurting few countries because ICC is never been a good sports authority which can handle this all fairly, so it's beneficial for few countries so if they manage for all then surely we can expect some good results from other countries as well.

Despite no cricket at home grounds for almost a decade Pakistan still manages to attract Australia at home. I know its hard for few people to digest this fact that Pakistan is one of best side despite losing the test series 1-0 to top team like Australia. Its just one series, give Pakistan home series like other countries are having and then say they are not among top teams.

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Quote from: savetheFORUM on April 07, 2022, 03:32:43 PM

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But, if someone says Pakistan is not good test side it's his own view without checking all details about test history and their record because Pakistan is fourth-best test playing cricket side in test history.

Recently we have some good decline in test matches which is surely hurting few countries because ICC is never been a good sports authority which can handle this all fairly, so it's beneficial for few countries so if they manage for all then surely we can expect some good results from other countries as well.

Pakistan had great fast bowlers in the past and can you compare any of those legendary players with the bowlers Pakistan have right now. They had some great batsman who dominated any bowlers on their given day and now they had Babar Azam in that same standard and now they need to identify similar great players and then we can say they have a great Test team that can dominate anyone.

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Quote from: minairia3 on April 07, 2022, 04:12:56 AM

In Test cricket, Pakistan is obviously not one of the best teams because Obviously, they are sixth in the standings. and it is not just good enough to say that they are one of the best.
if there were a lot more teams playing like 50 or 60 and among them Pakistan was sixth, then it would have been ok to say that they are one of the top teams,
but there are only 10 teams playing regularly and being the six amongst them is not good enough to be a top team.

In last one decade Pakistan suffers badly due to terrorism issues and unable to play at home which hurts them very badly otherwise Pakistan is still top ranked team in test history with their overall percentage now after successful tour of Australia we can say they will do some better and take higher rank in ICC test ranking which could be third or fourth is surely in near future which could be increased after some good number of matches.

But, if someone says Pakistan is not good test side it's his own view without checking all details about test history and their record because Pakistan is fourth-best test playing cricket side in test history.

Recently we have some good decline in test matches which is surely hurting few countries because ICC is never been a good sports authority which can handle this all fairly, so it's beneficial for few countries so if they manage for all then surely we can expect some good results from other countries as well.

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