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Quote from: Sithara007 on May 24, 2022, 10:12:11 PM

Quote from: YinShuiSiYuan on May 23, 2022, 08:08:50 AM

Pakistan in 2012/13 toured India https://www.espncricinfo.com/series/pakistan-tour-of-india-2012-13-589300/match-results and played 3 ODIs and 2 T20Is. Since it was financially in favour of India so Mumbai and Pathankot incidents were set aside. But when India was required to tour back they recalled Mumbai and Pathankot. India has taken full advantage of Mumbia attacks in establishing its narrative worldwide (they planned it very well) while Pakistan is the one who suffered this incident - Pakistan government spokesman said years back.

In my opinion, politics should be kept aside from sports. Here the real problem is not with PCB or BCCI, but with the ICC. The ICC should ask the Indian board to pay compensation, in case they are unable to tour Pakistan. If a small board such as New Zealand can compensate Pakistan for their inability to tour, then a rich board such as BCCI should definitely do that one moral grounds. Take the case of football. North Korea participated in the 2010 FIFA world cup, despite the fact that they have horrible relations with their neighbors and with the United States. Sports help us to alleviate political tensions. And the same approach can be tried with India and Pakistan as well.

@Sithara007 I don’t think that BCCI will compensate Pakistan, but why can’t they allow India to play Pakistan on a neutral venue like Dubai and this way both the teams can earn some revenues, and both countries fans too want to see them on the pitch against one another. Furthermore ICC failed to force India to play against Pakistan, but I hope that in coming year’s these two can face off against each other in ODI and T20 series, and I’m sure that we’ll witness even bigger coverage then what Ashes gets.

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Quote from: YinShuiSiYuan on May 23, 2022, 08:08:50 AM

Pakistan in 2012/13 toured India https://www.espncricinfo.com/series/pakistan-tour-of-india-2012-13-589300/match-results and played 3 ODIs and 2 T20Is. Since it was financially in favour of India so Mumbai and Pathankot incidents were set aside. But when India was required to tour back they recalled Mumbai and Pathankot. India has taken full advantage of Mumbia attacks in establishing its narrative worldwide (they planned it very well) while Pakistan is the one who suffered this incident - Pakistan government spokesman said years back.

In my opinion, politics should be kept aside from sports. Here the real problem is not with PCB or BCCI, but with the ICC. The ICC should ask the Indian board to pay compensation, in case they are unable to tour Pakistan. If a small board such as New Zealand can compensate Pakistan for their inability to tour, then a rich board such as BCCI should definitely do that one moral grounds. Take the case of football. North Korea participated in the 2010 FIFA world cup, despite the fact that they have horrible relations with their neighbors and with the United States. Sports help us to alleviate political tensions. And the same approach can be tried with India and Pakistan as well.

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Quote from: eaLiTy on May 22, 2022, 02:29:50 PM

Quote from: sovie on May 22, 2022, 10:48:28 AM

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You know what - that is not funny at all.
India would always play games to keep PK away from the international cricket. So that they are always in trouble - but I hope God plans are more powerful than men's plan. Why are Indian always happy when something bad happens?

How can India play games on keeping Pakistan away from International Cricket, the sole reason the teams were afraid of touring Pakistan is simply because of security threats and the attack against Sri Lanka team while they were touring and some of the players were injured with bull wounds and it was an unfortunate incident and hence there was no tour planned for decades. I suggest not to drag politics here in the forum.

Well its not dragging politics here. But cricket and politics are linked somehow.
If we start dragging these issue they will lead to a trouble but that is also true how hard Paksitan tries to bring things on a peaceful level there are always a trouble and IND celebrates it.

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Quote from: JSRAW on May 22, 2022, 10:37:42 PM

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Quote from: JSRAW on May 22, 2022, 07:26:26 AM

Haha You know what funny part is?
PCB did file a case against BCCI but they lost the suit and additionally $2.2 Million, they even had to pay BCCI 1.6 million dollars as compensation for covering the cost, fees etc.
This case was related to 2015-2023 bilateral proposal between both boards.
PCB pays compensation to BCCI after losing case in the ICC’s Dispute Resolution Committee

Don't know whether the ruling is acceptable to everyone. Anyway, the decision of the Dispute Resolution Committee is final and can't be appealed. PCB was already in a poor financial state, and they got slapped with additional expenditure. My take is that since Pakistan toured India in 2007, the BCCI should have reciprocated the favor. The MoU may not be legally binding, but going with the agreement they should have done that. Anyway, now any such tour looks like a distant possibility, at least for the next 10 years.

BCCI never signed any MOU documents after Mumbai terror attack and i can't blame them for that, you can't expect any favor after butchering innocent people in Financial city of India. Although both boards did try to calm things down after 2013-14 and bilateral series was looking real deal but then Pathankot happened and all 2-3 efforts went down the drain overnight, as everybody knows public sentiments already were not favorable at all due to continuous cross border terrorism.

There are always going to be problems between these countries. and these problems are often triggered by the religious differences between the two countries.
You know, the people who are reliable for triggering these problems are powerful people.

Another thing is there are too many differences in these countries and that's why these problems are continuous. I don't blame any team for not playing with others in this situation.

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Quote from: JSRAW on May 22, 2022, 10:37:42 PM

BCCI never signed any MOU documents after Mumbai terror attack and i can't blame them for that, you can't expect any favor after butchering innocent people in Financial city of India. Although both boards did try to calm things down after 2013-14 and bilateral series was looking real deal but then Pathankot happened and all 2-3 efforts went down the drain overnight, as everybody knows public sentiments already were not favorable at all due to continuous cross border terrorism.

Pakistan in 2012/13 toured India https://www.espncricinfo.com/series/pakistan-tour-of-india-2012-13-589300/match-results and played 3 ODIs and 2 T20Is. Since it was financially in favour of India so Mumbai and Pathankot incidents were set aside. But when India was required to tour back they recalled Mumbai and Pathankot. India has taken full advantage of Mumbia attacks in establishing its narrative worldwide (they planned it very well) while Pakistan is the one who suffered this incident - Pakistan government spokesman said years back.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on May 22, 2022, 08:28:32 PM

Quote from: JSRAW on May 22, 2022, 07:26:26 AM

Haha You know what funny part is?

PCB did file a case against BCCI but they lost the suit and additionally $2.2 Million, they even had to pay BCCI 1.6 million dollars as compensation for covering the cost, fees etc.

This case was related to 2015-2023 bilateral proposal between both boards.

PCB pays compensation to BCCI after losing case in the ICC’s Dispute Resolution Committee

Don't know whether the ruling is acceptable to everyone. Anyway, the decision of the Dispute Resolution Committee is final and can't be appealed. PCB was already in a poor financial state, and they got slapped with additional expenditure. My take is that since Pakistan toured India in 2007, the BCCI should have reciprocated the favor. The MoU may not be legally binding, but going with the agreement they should have done that. Anyway, now any such tour looks like a distant possibility, at least for the next 10 years.

BCCI never signed any MOU documents after Mumbai terror attack and i can't blame them for that, you can't expect any favor after butchering innocent people in Financial city of India. Although both boards did try to calm things down after 2013-14 and bilateral series was looking real deal but then Pathankot happened and all 2-3 efforts went down the drain overnight, as everybody knows public sentiments already were not favorable at all due to continuous cross border terrorism.

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Quote from: JSRAW on May 22, 2022, 07:26:26 AM

Haha You know what funny part is?

PCB did file a case against BCCI but they lost the suit and additionally $2.2 Million, they even had to pay BCCI 1.6 million dollars as compensation for covering the cost, fees etc.

This case was related to 2015-2023 bilateral proposal between both boards.

PCB pays compensation to BCCI after losing case in the ICC’s Dispute Resolution Committee

Don't know whether the ruling is acceptable to everyone. Anyway, the decision of the Dispute Resolution Committee is final and can't be appealed. PCB was already in a poor financial state, and they got slapped with additional expenditure. My take is that since Pakistan toured India in 2007, the BCCI should have reciprocated the favor. The MoU may not be legally binding, but going with the agreement they should have done that. Anyway, now any such tour looks like a distant possibility, at least for the next 10 years.

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Quote from: sovie on May 22, 2022, 10:48:28 AM

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You know what - that is not funny at all.
India would always play games to keep PK away from the international cricket. So that they are always in trouble - but I hope God plans are more powerful than men's plan. Why are Indian always happy when something bad happens?

How can India play games on keeping Pakistan away from International Cricket, the sole reason the teams were afraid of touring Pakistan is simply because of security threats and the attack against Sri Lanka team while they were touring and some of the players were injured with bull wounds and it was an unfortunate incident and hence there was no tour planned for decades. I suggest not to drag politics here in the forum.

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Quote from: JSRAW on May 22, 2022, 07:26:26 AM

Quote from: Sithara007 on May 22, 2022, 07:07:58 AM

Quote from: galambo on May 20, 2022, 11:23:21 PM

There is good news for PCB as New Zealand to compensate Pakistan for aborted tour in 2021. Along with an undisclosed sum, New Zealand will play extra games when the two sides meet in Pakistan next year
PCB has suffered alot in last 10 years but now things are coming positive for PCB as Aussies just toured Pakistan, England and New Zealand to tour Pakistan next.

LOL.. that gives rise to the most important question. Will BCCI follow suit and compensate PCB? As far as I know, they haven't toured Pakistan for the last two decades or so. If I am not wrong, the last tour of Pakistan by the Indian national team was in 2006. India was supposed to tour Pakistan in 2009, but that tour was cancelled after the Mumbai attacks (2008). Ideally, either the BCCI or the ICC should have compensated the PCB for the cancelled tour. Because it was supposed to be a reciprocatory tour in response to the 2007 tour by Pakistan to India.

Haha You know what funny part is?
PCB did file a case against BCCI but they lost the suit and additionally $2.2 Million, they even had to pay BCCI 1.6 million dollars as compensation for covering the cost, fees etc.
This case was related to 2015-2023 bilateral proposal between both boards.
PCB pays compensation to BCCI after losing case in the ICC’s Dispute Resolution Committee

Well, at least we are hearing some good news for the Pakistan cricket board, right? They have been suffering a lot for a long time and recently it looks like things might change in favor of them. And this also means that we are going to see a lot more cricket taking place in Pakistan. This is obviously great news for Pakistan.

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Quote from: JSRAW on May 22, 2022, 07:26:26 AM

Quote from: Sithara007 on May 22, 2022, 07:07:58 AM

Quote from: galambo on May 20, 2022, 11:23:21 PM

There is good news for PCB as New Zealand to compensate Pakistan for aborted tour in 2021. Along with an undisclosed sum, New Zealand will play extra games when the two sides meet in Pakistan next year
PCB has suffered alot in last 10 years but now things are coming positive for PCB as Aussies just toured Pakistan, England and New Zealand to tour Pakistan next.

LOL.. that gives rise to the most important question. Will BCCI follow suit and compensate PCB? As far as I know, they haven't toured Pakistan for the last two decades or so. If I am not wrong, the last tour of Pakistan by the Indian national team was in 2006. India was supposed to tour Pakistan in 2009, but that tour was cancelled after the Mumbai attacks (2008). Ideally, either the BCCI or the ICC should have compensated the PCB for the cancelled tour. Because it was supposed to be a reciprocatory tour in response to the 2007 tour by Pakistan to India.

Haha You know what funny part is?

PCB did file a case against BCCI but they lost the suit and additionally $2.2 Million, they even had to pay BCCI 1.6 million dollars as compensation for covering the cost, fees etc.

This case was related to 2015-2023 bilateral proposal between both boards.

PCB pays compensation to BCCI after losing case in the ICC’s Dispute Resolution Committee

You know what - that is not funny at all.
India would always play games to keep PK away from the international cricket. So that they are always in trouble - but I hope God plans are more powerful than men's plan. Why are Indian always happy when something bad happens?

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Quote from: Sithara007 on May 22, 2022, 07:07:58 AM

Quote from: galambo on May 20, 2022, 11:23:21 PM

There is good news for PCB as New Zealand to compensate Pakistan for aborted tour in 2021. Along with an undisclosed sum, New Zealand will play extra games when the two sides meet in Pakistan next year
PCB has suffered alot in last 10 years but now things are coming positive for PCB as Aussies just toured Pakistan, England and New Zealand to tour Pakistan next.

LOL.. that gives rise to the most important question. Will BCCI follow suit and compensate PCB? As far as I know, they haven't toured Pakistan for the last two decades or so. If I am not wrong, the last tour of Pakistan by the Indian national team was in 2006. India was supposed to tour Pakistan in 2009, but that tour was cancelled after the Mumbai attacks (2008). Ideally, either the BCCI or the ICC should have compensated the PCB for the cancelled tour. Because it was supposed to be a reciprocatory tour in response to the 2007 tour by Pakistan to India.

Haha You know what funny part is?

PCB did file a case against BCCI but they lost the suit and additionally $2.2 Million, they even had to pay BCCI 1.6 million dollars as compensation for covering the cost, fees etc.

This case was related to 2015-2023 bilateral proposal between both boards.

PCB pays compensation to BCCI after losing case in the ICC’s Dispute Resolution Committee

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Quote from: galambo on May 20, 2022, 11:23:21 PM

There is good news for PCB as New Zealand to compensate Pakistan for aborted tour in 2021. Along with an undisclosed sum, New Zealand will play extra games when the two sides meet in Pakistan next year
PCB has suffered alot in last 10 years but now things are coming positive for PCB as Aussies just toured Pakistan, England and New Zealand to tour Pakistan next.

LOL.. that gives rise to the most important question. Will BCCI follow suit and compensate PCB? As far as I know, they haven't toured Pakistan for the last two decades or so. If I am not wrong, the last tour of Pakistan by the Indian national team was in 2006. India was supposed to tour Pakistan in 2009, but that tour was cancelled after the Mumbai attacks (2008). Ideally, either the BCCI or the ICC should have compensated the PCB for the cancelled tour. Because it was supposed to be a reciprocatory tour in response to the 2007 tour by Pakistan to India.

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Do you think if there is a massive demand from the fans, ICC will be changing the rules. The reason ICC shifted to Dubai in 2005 is because they were greeted by the UAE government with massive tax benefits and they are enjoying those benefits till now and you think the ICC will change them according to popular demand even if there is one Cheesy

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You need to understand we are here talking about making cricket popular, if they are not having any local representatives the best they can do is to hire players and then create interest so that the local population will take up the sport.

There is no tax system in GCC nations and that is one of the reasons why a part of the IPL 2021 was played there. The ICC also has it's benefits since the headquarters is situated in Dubai. But at the same time, UAE is also benefitting in a big way. Cities such as Abu Dhabi, Dubai and Sharjah are being considered as epicenters of match fixing. Facilities such as the ICC Academy employ a lot of locals and contribute to the local economy in a positive way. So we can't say that it is just a one way street.

As far as I see this IPL was played there because both parties had their benefits from that. ICC is all about benefits. ICC will always look for its benefit even though it might not be so great for cricket as a game. And you know, cricket is something where everybody seems to be looking at the benefits more than how to make this better.

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There is good news for PCB as New Zealand to compensate Pakistan for aborted tour in 2021. Along with an undisclosed sum, New Zealand will play extra games when the two sides meet in Pakistan next year
PCB has suffered alot in last 10 years but now things are coming positive for PCB as Aussies just toured Pakistan, England and New Zealand to tour Pakistan next.

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Quote from: eaLiTy on May 20, 2022, 02:27:58 PM

Do you think if there is a massive demand from the fans, ICC will be changing the rules. The reason ICC shifted to Dubai in 2005 is because they were greeted by the UAE government with massive tax benefits and they are enjoying those benefits till now and you think the ICC will change them according to popular demand even if there is one Cheesy

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You need to understand we are here talking about making cricket popular, if they are not having any local representatives the best they can do is to hire players and then create interest so that the local population will take up the sport.

There is no tax system in GCC nations and that is one of the reasons why a part of the IPL 2021 was played there. The ICC also has it's benefits since the headquarters is situated in Dubai. But at the same time, UAE is also benefitting in a big way. Cities such as Abu Dhabi, Dubai and Sharjah are being considered as epicenters of match fixing. Facilities such as the ICC Academy employ a lot of locals and contribute to the local economy in a positive way. So we can't say that it is just a one way street.

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Quote from: Juggy777 on May 18, 2022, 10:34:12 PM

@Sithara007 I don’t think that any ex player will be able to reverse these rules, because the people behind these countries won’t allow that to happen. Furthermore the only way ICC will be forced to change it if fans makes a petition and it goes viral seeking the removal of this rule, but so far I haven’t seen any ferocious demand by the fans to revoke it hence this rule will stay for now.

Do you think if there is a massive demand from the fans, ICC will be changing the rules. The reason ICC shifted to Dubai in 2005 is because they were greeted by the UAE government with massive tax benefits and they are enjoying those benefits till now and you think the ICC will change them according to popular demand even if there is one Cheesy

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You need to understand we are here talking about making cricket popular, if they are not having any local representatives the best they can do is to hire players and then create interest so that the local population will take up the sport.

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The two teams that participated in today's IPL match The two teams are Rajasthan vs Chennai Super Kings.Here Rajasthan points table is at number three. Rajasthan has confirmed the possibility of being number one in the group stage.If Rajasthan can win in today's match, then the probability of playing in the semi-final of IPL is one hundred percent.

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Quote from: coinism on May 20, 2022, 05:15:43 AM

Your point is absolutely correct. It's small boards that are giving strength to big3, if all small boards unite then big3 can't do anything. Now because of IPL, bcci is getting huge importance from all boards since nobody wanna miss his piece of cake.

IPL is only benefitting the pig-4 boards (maybe CSA and WICB as well), as the foreign player release fee (20% of the contract amount) is calculated in a very asymmetrical manner. The vast majority of the overseas players are from England, Australia, New Zealand, South Africa and West Indies. The other 6 test nations, as well as the associate nations receive almost zero contribution from the IPL. Ideally this 20% payment should go towards the ICC and they should redistribute this amount equally among the other nations.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on May 19, 2022, 09:07:44 PM

Problem is not with the pig-3 (pig-4 actually, with New Zealand chipping in). The real problem is with the countries or boards outside the pig-4. They are always divided and there is no unity among them. See what happened during the last election for the post of ICC chairman. Businessman and pig-4 nominee Greg Barclay managed to defeat former international cricket player Imran Khwaja by a margin of 10-6.

Now how did the pig-4 managed to obtain 6 additional votes? The vote from Cricket South Africa (CSA) turned out to be a decider. Boards such as the BCCI managed to bribe some of the smaller boards, by offering them tours. When the smaller boards themselves are greedy, you can't really blame the pig-4 for that.

Your point is absolutely correct. It's small boards that are giving strength to big3, if all small boards unite then big3 can't do anything. Now because of IPL, bcci is getting huge importance from all boards since nobody wanna miss his piece of cake.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on May 19, 2022, 09:07:44 PM

Quote from: coinism on May 19, 2022, 05:48:44 AM

Case of icc is different from that of bcci, while bcci is controlled by India ICC is joint venture of India, Aus and NZ. No matter who will be head of ICC, decision will be made that best suits big3 needs. Big 3 never wanted more teams to join cricket since that will destroy there monopoly, icc is fully supporting that doctrine.

Problem is not with the pig-3 (pig-4 actually, with New Zealand chipping in). The real problem is with the countries or boards outside the pig-4. They are always divided and there is no unity among them. See what happened during the last election for the post of ICC chairman. Businessman and pig-4 nominee Greg Barclay managed to defeat former international cricket player Imran Khwaja by a margin of 10-6.

Now how did the pig-4 managed to obtain 6 additional votes? The vote from Cricket South Africa (CSA) turned out to be a decider. Boards such as the BCCI managed to bribe some of the smaller boards, by offering them tours. When the smaller boards themselves are greedy, you can't really blame the pig-4 for that.

The smaller boards are supposed to be greedy in this situation because they don't have the money that the big four have. and that's what they utilized properly in this situation.
The smaller boards have to think about their future also. that's why it is really easy to drive them in my opinion. but if the smaller boards had unity between them, this could have been avoided. when the people who can make the difference are not honest, these things will happen no matter what.

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