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Quote from: KennyR on April 10, 2022, 06:54:07 PM

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Yeah, Pakistan is well known for its all form of bowlers. Each bowler too have some names to mention their bowling. For Shoaib Akhtar it is Rawalpindi Express. Young players are much in Pakistan, but very few gets the opportunity. I believe there are more academies for cricket, but what is necessary is the playing experience against a team than the net practice. Right now they've got PSL which will surely make more young players shine for Pakistan.

PSL can bring a positive change in identifying new talents and it is evident in the IPL, there are bowlers who i am seeing for the first time who is bowling at really good pace and i usually do not watch the IPL but this year i am watching most of the matches because i entered the competition here and placing bet on matches.

Quote from: sovie on April 11, 2022, 07:28:13 AM

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Abdul Qadir, Saqlain, Mushtaq, Wasim etc were lucky enough to play cricket before the era of this technology and Big-3. Now only players of small boards action are reported, you will never see any talented bowler from big 3 getting banned. Now there is need to have some sort of guidance during initial days of bowler to report his action.

Abdul Qadir and Mushtaq Ahmed are leg spinners and no one could throw a ball bowling leg spin and hence no complaints can be raised even if you wanted and Wasim Akram was a fast bowler who never faced any controversy in his bowling action rather he was praised for his skill level globally. I am not sure which of your favorite players were reported for illegal action Tongue

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Quote from: Juggy777 on April 14, 2022, 02:33:48 AM

@Sithara007 you’re correct because he’ll have to drop pace to get his action corrected, but if he can somehow yet manage to get those speedy balls on the stumps then he’ll become a nightmare for the batsman. Furthermore at his age I’m sure that he’ll be able to bounce back, but he should be slowly used so his body can adjust to the new action.

It's very much on PCB that how much time they will spend in correcting his error. New bowling action can also go wrong once you go in pressure conditions. He has lots of time at his disposal but he must also be worried that if some other took his place in the team then it will be difficult to get back.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on April 13, 2022, 08:31:47 PM

I am not much hopeful about Hasnain. In the past I have seen a lot of bowlers undergoing re-hab. Only a very few returned to the international scene after doing so. I really doubt whether we will ever get to see someone like Akhtar or Lee again in international cricket. Nowadays I don't see any bowler even attempting to break the 100 mph barrier. Back then, in addition to Akhtar and Lee, we had at least half a dozen bowlers including Shane Bond and Mfuneko Ngam. The last time someone hit the 160 kmph mark was in 2015, when Mitchell Starc had one of his deliveries clocked at 160.4 km/hr (99.7 mph) against New Zealand.

You are very much right as nobody came back after correcting his action. Bowling action is something gifted by nature and you cant make it yourself using technology. In T20 cricket there is no respect for bowlers, you bowl a good delivery and got six on it and got wicket on poor delivery. Hasnain is just 23 years and lets hope he resumes his cricket with correct action.

@Sithara007 you’re correct because he’ll have to drop pace to get his action corrected, but if he can somehow yet manage to get those speedy balls on the stumps then he’ll become a nightmare for the batsman. Furthermore at his age I’m sure that he’ll be able to bounce back, but he should be slowly used so his body can adjust to the new action.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on April 13, 2022, 08:31:47 PM

I am not much hopeful about Hasnain. In the past I have seen a lot of bowlers undergoing re-hab. Only a very few returned to the international scene after doing so. I really doubt whether we will ever get to see someone like Akhtar or Lee again in international cricket. Nowadays I don't see any bowler even attempting to break the 100 mph barrier. Back then, in addition to Akhtar and Lee, we had at least half a dozen bowlers including Shane Bond and Mfuneko Ngam. The last time someone hit the 160 kmph mark was in 2015, when Mitchell Starc had one of his deliveries clocked at 160.4 km/hr (99.7 mph) against New Zealand.

You are very much right as nobody came back after correcting his action. Bowling action is something gifted by nature and you cant make it yourself using technology. In T20 cricket there is no respect for bowlers, you bowl a good delivery and got six on it and got wicket on poor delivery. Hasnain is just 23 years and lets hope he resumes his cricket with correct action.

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Quote from: blatchcorn on April 13, 2022, 12:46:04 AM

Quote from: Sithara007 on April 12, 2022, 09:47:35 PM

We no longer have bowlers like Shoaib Akhtar or Brett Lee in international cricket. Such bowlers are not suitable for the T20 format, and for the last one decade or so, I haven't seen anyone bowling at average speeds of ~95mph, as Akhar and Lee used to do. One issue is the strict conditions put forward by the ICC to impose penalty on slow over rates. Bowlers like Akhtar takes a lot more time to finish their spell compared to medium pacers, and with that comes a greater risk of the team getting punished for slow over rates.

In T20 its the case that you pay huge penalty in case of slow over rate but in ODI and Test you can have this leverage. Muhammad Hasnain is the latest one who bowled at 155 kmph which is quite good compared to Shoaib Akhat 161 kmph. But Muhammad Hasnain is going through re-hab to correct his action, lets see whether he can come up with 155 with new action.

I am not much hopeful about Hasnain. In the past I have seen a lot of bowlers undergoing re-hab. Only a very few returned to the international scene after doing so. I really doubt whether we will ever get to see someone like Akhtar or Lee again in international cricket. Nowadays I don't see any bowler even attempting to break the 100 mph barrier. Back then, in addition to Akhtar and Lee, we had at least half a dozen bowlers including Shane Bond and Mfuneko Ngam. The last time someone hit the 160 kmph mark was in 2015, when Mitchell Starc had one of his deliveries clocked at 160.4 km/hr (99.7 mph) against New Zealand.

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Quote from: Minecache on April 13, 2022, 08:52:55 AM

I think it's gonna be tough, really tough for him to produce 155 with his new action. It will probably be good enough but I highly doubt that the pace and also the skill is going to be the same. Even if he does manage to produce good skills I think the base is certainly going to drop.

We have to wait and see how he return back. He is just 23 years old and he has lots of cricket left. In Feb this year he was found to breached the ICC's 15-degree limit for elbow extension. I think he is very young and can bowl well with his new action, there are no details of who is assisting him in correcting his action.

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Quote from: blatchcorn on April 13, 2022, 12:46:04 AM

Quote from: Sithara007 on April 12, 2022, 09:47:35 PM

We no longer have bowlers like Shoaib Akhtar or Brett Lee in international cricket. Such bowlers are not suitable for the T20 format, and for the last one decade or so, I haven't seen anyone bowling at average speeds of ~95mph, as Akhar and Lee used to do. One issue is the strict conditions put forward by the ICC to impose penalty on slow over rates. Bowlers like Akhtar takes a lot more time to finish their spell compared to medium pacers, and with that comes a greater risk of the team getting punished for slow over rates.

In T20 its the case that you pay huge penalty in case of slow over rate but in ODI and Test you can have this leverage. Muhammad Hasnain is the latest one who bowled at 155 kmph which is quite good compared to Shoaib Akhat 161 kmph. But Muhammad Hasnain is going through re-hab to correct his action, lets see whether he can come up with 155 with new action.

I think it's gonna be tough, really tough for him to produce 155 with his new action. It will probably be good enough but I highly doubt that the pace and also the skill is going to be the same. Even if he does manage to produce good skills I think the base is certainly going to drop.

The great bowlers like Shoaib Akhtar and Brett Lee take quite a bit of time to finish their spell but it is also worth it. And I certainly think that it is a really bad rule for the bowlers because a bowler is at his best when he takes his time and thinks about what he is going to do. On the other hand, it also gives the batsman a good rhythm to bat."

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Quote from: Sithara007 on April 12, 2022, 09:47:35 PM

We no longer have bowlers like Shoaib Akhtar or Brett Lee in international cricket. Such bowlers are not suitable for the T20 format, and for the last one decade or so, I haven't seen anyone bowling at average speeds of ~95mph, as Akhar and Lee used to do. One issue is the strict conditions put forward by the ICC to impose penalty on slow over rates. Bowlers like Akhtar takes a lot more time to finish their spell compared to medium pacers, and with that comes a greater risk of the team getting punished for slow over rates.

In T20 its the case that you pay huge penalty in case of slow over rate but in ODI and Test you can have this leverage. Muhammad Hasnain is the latest one who bowled at 155 kmph which is quite good compared to Shoaib Akhat 161 kmph. But Muhammad Hasnain is going through re-hab to correct his action, lets see whether he can come up with 155 with new action.

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Quote from: blatchcorn on April 12, 2022, 05:17:48 AM

India still is far behind Pakistan and Australia in pace attack they have good batsmen and spinners. Only we saw medium fast bowlers in Indian team. Zaheer khan, Irfan pathan are two quality fast bowlers in the squad right now it's Bumrah who is there main pace bowlers but as I said they never have genuine Fast bowler like Shoaib Akhtar or Brett Lee.

We no longer have bowlers like Shoaib Akhtar or Brett Lee in international cricket. Such bowlers are not suitable for the T20 format, and for the last one decade or so, I haven't seen anyone bowling at average speeds of ~95mph, as Akhar and Lee used to do. One issue is the strict conditions put forward by the ICC to impose penalty on slow over rates. Bowlers like Akhtar takes a lot more time to finish their spell compared to medium pacers, and with that comes a greater risk of the team getting punished for slow over rates.

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Quote from: laurenB7742 on April 12, 2022, 08:34:08 AM

Pakistan had a lot of fast bowlers that were very good at their work. But the problem is they got engaged with a lot of shady business and that obviously cost them a lot and also it cost some players their careers. But Pakistan still has a legacy and a lot of youngsters are really motivated by that. And the past situation has also changed for India because now they also have a good bowling attack.

You are referring to Muhammad Amir and Muhammad Asif only these two are banned for spot fixing other then that there is no such incident with Pakistan fast bowlers. PCB need to keep a close eye on its players otherwise they will continue to lose gems like Muhammad Asif.

Has anyone heard the news - Rameez Raja is in trouble and Najam Sethi coming back to PCB?
If so - that would be a tough decision. Rameez Raja proved to be a good entry and Pakistani team flourished in this time. What are your thoughts about it?

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Quote from: laurenB7742 on April 12, 2022, 08:34:08 AM

Pakistan had a lot of fast bowlers that were very good at their work. But the problem is they got engaged with a lot of shady business and that obviously cost them a lot and also it cost some players their careers. But Pakistan still has a legacy and a lot of youngsters are really motivated by that. And the past situation has also changed for India because now they also have a good bowling attack.

Pakistani cricket team strength is Bowling and of course not batting. And its the same way even if we go down to memory lane.
We know great bowlers like Waqar and Waseem and then we had Shoaib Akhtar and now we have Shaheen Shah. But in recent matches some good batting partnership is seen among Babar Azam and Inam ul Haq.

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Quote from: laurenB7742 on April 12, 2022, 08:34:08 AM

Pakistan had a lot of fast bowlers that were very good at their work. But the problem is they got engaged with a lot of shady business and that obviously cost them a lot and also it cost some players their careers. But Pakistan still has a legacy and a lot of youngsters are really motivated by that. And the past situation has also changed for India because now they also have a good bowling attack.

You are referring to Muhammad Amir and Muhammad Asif only these two are banned for spot fixing other then that there is no such incident with Pakistan fast bowlers. PCB need to keep a close eye on its players otherwise they will continue to lose gems like Muhammad Asif.

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It's fact in subcontinent Pakistan is known as best country for pace bowlers, and they have some best bowlers in cricket history but sadly due to some inner issues they lost nearly two decades which hurt badly to this as well but now as they are all settled things are moving in positive way with few new generation players are coming and having their mark in fast bowling like Shaheen Afridi, Haris Rauf, Hassan Ali and Mohammad Abbas these all are quality bowlers with their own abilities.
But good thing happened in India and their long term investment with collaboration of MRF now giving them some good and quality pace bowlers which are helping them for having very good ranks in all formats and now IPL is also working very good for finding new talent which is going to be amazing for India in future and cricket world.

Pakistan had a lot of fast bowlers that were very good at their work. But the problem is they got engaged with a lot of shady business and that obviously cost them a lot and also it cost some players their careers. But Pakistan still has a legacy and a lot of youngsters are really motivated by that. And the past situation has also changed for India because now they also have a good bowling attack.

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India still is far behind Pakistan and Australia in pace attack they have good batsmen and spinners. Only we saw medium fast bowlers in Indian team. Zaheer khan, Irfan pathan are two quality fast bowlers in the squad right now it's Bumrah who is there main pace bowlers but as I said they never have genuine Fast bowler like Shoaib Akhtar or Brett Lee.

I think the only team in the subcontinent which produced really great first bowlers is Pakistan and except for that, I can only name a few bowlers like Lasith Malinga from Sri Lanka who was really great. Other than that I cannot name any other fast bowlers to compare at the top level.

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Quote from: TheGreatPython on April 11, 2022, 03:11:39 PM

It's fact in subcontinent Pakistan is known as best country for pace bowlers, and they have some best bowlers in cricket history but sadly due to some inner issues they lost nearly two decades which hurt badly to this as well but now as they are all settled things are moving in positive way with few new generation players are coming and having their mark in fast bowling like Shaheen Afridi, Haris Rauf, Hassan Ali and Mohammad Abbas these all are quality bowlers with their own abilities.

But good thing happened in India and their long term investment with collaboration of MRF now giving them some good and quality pace bowlers which are helping them for having very good ranks in all formats and now IPL is also working very good for finding new talent which is going to be amazing for India in future and cricket world.

India still is far behind Pakistan and Australia in pace attack they have good batsmen and spinners. Only we saw medium fast bowlers in Indian team. Zaheer khan, Irfan pathan are two quality fast bowlers in the squad right now it's Bumrah who is there main pace bowlers but as I said they never have genuine Fast bowler like Shoaib Akhtar or Brett Lee.

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But, if someone says Pakistan is not good test side it's his own view without checking all details about test history and their record because Pakistan is fourth-best test playing cricket side in test history.

Recently we have some good decline in test matches which is surely hurting few countries because ICC is never been a good sports authority which can handle this all fairly, so it's beneficial for few countries so if they manage for all then surely we can expect some good results from other countries as well.

Pakistan had great fast bowlers in the past and can you compare any of those legendary players with the bowlers Pakistan have right now. They had some great batsman who dominated any bowlers on their given day and now they had Babar Azam in that same standard and now they need to identify similar great players and then we can say they have a great Test team that can dominate anyone.

Starting from Wasim Akram. Waqar Younas and Imran Khan and coming till Shaheen Afradi and Babar Azam. Pakistan has produced greatest cricketers in the history. Subcontinent teams are the reason of keeping the cricket alive.

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I think in the subcontinent only Pakistan is the team that is known especially for its bowling capability. Pakistan has produced several greats of cricket in past years. We all know that even the great Shoaib Akhter had some problems with his action but it was fixed and he is still the greatest fast bowler in my opinion.

I obviously don't think that this new tad will be able to do something quite as special as Shoaib Akhter, and I also don't expect him to be as better as he is before his change of action. But I do expect him to serve Pakistan pretty well even after the change.

It's fact in subcontinent Pakistan is known as best country for pace bowlers, and they have some best bowlers in cricket history but sadly due to some inner issues they lost nearly two decades which hurt badly to this as well but now as they are all settled things are moving in positive way with few new generation players are coming and having their mark in fast bowling like Shaheen Afridi, Haris Rauf, Hassan Ali and Mohammad Abbas these all are quality bowlers with their own abilities.

But good thing happened in India and their long term investment with collaboration of MRF now giving them some good and quality pace bowlers which are helping them for having very good ranks in all formats and now IPL is also working very good for finding new talent which is going to be amazing for India in future and cricket world.

What I believe is the players and people of Sub continents have kept the cricket alive.
The subcontinent has give the world some amazing players like Tadlukar, Imran Khan, Waqar Youns and Waseem Akram.
I still think Rashid Latif was amazing wicket keeper. What a wonderful player he was.

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In last one decade Pakistan suffers badly due to terrorism issues and unable to play at home which hurts them very badly otherwise Pakistan is still top ranked team in test history with their overall percentage now after successful tour of Australia we can say they will do some better and take higher rank in ICC test ranking which could be third or fourth is surely in near future which could be increased after some good number of matches.

But, if someone says Pakistan is not good test side it's his own view without checking all details about test history and their record because Pakistan is fourth-best test playing cricket side in test history.

Recently we have some good decline in test matches which is surely hurting few countries because ICC is never been a good sports authority which can handle this all fairly, so it's beneficial for few countries so if they manage for all then surely we can expect some good results from other countries as well.

Despite no cricket at home grounds for almost a decade Pakistan still manages to attract Australia at home. I know its hard for few people to digest this fact that Pakistan is one of best side despite losing the test series 1-0 to top team like Australia. Its just one series, give Pakistan home series like other countries are having and then say they are not among top teams.

I agree with you. These series and matches have Brought a fresh wave in the country and Aussie enjoyed it as much as Pakistani enjoyed it.
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Quote from: laurenB7742 on April 11, 2022, 07:00:37 AM

I think in the subcontinent only Pakistan is the team that is known especially for its bowling capability. Pakistan has produced several greats of cricket in past years. We all know that even the great Shoaib Akhter had some problems with his action but it was fixed and he is still the greatest fast bowler in my opinion.

I obviously don't think that this new tad will be able to do something quite as special as Shoaib Akhter, and I also don't expect him to be as better as he is before his change of action. But I do expect him to serve Pakistan pretty well even after the change.

It's fact in subcontinent Pakistan is known as best country for pace bowlers, and they have some best bowlers in cricket history but sadly due to some inner issues they lost nearly two decades which hurt badly to this as well but now as they are all settled things are moving in positive way with few new generation players are coming and having their mark in fast bowling like Shaheen Afridi, Haris Rauf, Hassan Ali and Mohammad Abbas these all are quality bowlers with their own abilities.

But good thing happened in India and their long term investment with collaboration of MRF now giving them some good and quality pace bowlers which are helping them for having very good ranks in all formats and now IPL is also working very good for finding new talent which is going to be amazing for India in future and cricket world.

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Quote from: laurenB7742 on April 11, 2022, 07:00:37 AM

I think in the subcontinent only Pakistan is the team that is known especially for its bowling capability. Pakistan has produced several greats of cricket in past years. We all know that even the great Shoaib Akhter had some problems with his action but it was fixed and he is still the greatest fast bowler in my opinion.

I obviously don't think that this new tad will be able to do something quite as special as Shoaib Akhter, and I also don't expect him to be as better as he is before his change of action. But I do expect him to serve Pakistan pretty well even after the change.

Shoaib Akhtat action was not fixed rather he was given benefit of the fact that he has some built-in jerk in his hand. At that time ICC rules were not that much strict and every board has same representation. Apart from Shoaib there are other fast bowlers too like Muhammad Asif, Aamir, Shaheen etc.

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I was listening to Saqlain Mushtaq interview (he is the one who corrected saeed ajmal bowling action), he says that I told Ajmal it will take 6 months before your new bowling action will be matured. Since he has very little time left because of his age he couldn't made it. Hasnain is young and New let's hope PCB can do some help to him.

Pakistan has historically some of the legendary bowlers in Cricket history, including Abdul Qadir and Mushtaq Ahmed, those were leg spinning genius and Saqlain Mushtaq is the bowler who invented dosara, then their fast bowling legends who invented reverse swing, like Waqar Younis and Wasim Akram. If they can start an academy and groom young talents they could still produce great players but i am not sure what they are doing.

Abdul Qadir, Saqlain, Mushtaq, Wasim etc were lucky enough to play cricket before the era of this technology and Big-3. Now only players of small boards action are reported, you will never see any talented bowler from big 3 getting banned. Now there is need to have some sort of guidance during initial days of bowler to report his action.

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