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Quote from: teddybear on February 22, 2022, 01:24:23 AM

Agree to that but IPL is "Indian Premier league". Every player SHOULD give priority to their national team if selected. Irrespective of how much money they make in the IPL. It's not great news for IPL fans as they'll miss some top cricketers but that in turn could give a few budding Indian talent some chance to shine. Could be a win win scenario.

Disagree with this. Cricket is just another profession. The top players receive millions of USD every year from the IPL. They get less than 5% of that amount from the national cricket boards. So why should anyone be forced to play international matches against their wishes? If the national board wants that player to prioritize the international duties, then they should match the fees that is being offered by the IPL franchises. On one hand they want the players to play for such a pittance and on the other they want them to be available all the time. This will only result in players retiring from international cricket.

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Quote from: Swordsoffreedom on February 21, 2022, 10:17:06 AM

Quote from: TheGreatPython on February 21, 2022, 07:45:53 AM

Here you are right Big-3 is main problem in ICC and cricket's better future specially Indian are doing dirty politics after introduction of IPL and having huge funds in their pockets.
But here concern is not IPL, and we are not talking why they are not allowing their players for other leagues and now allowing Pakistani cricketers in their league here is concern these all boards need to do some worth with ICC for having better structure and other facilities in countries where we can do some good for this game and youths can join this as professional cricketer which is increase its popularity, and we will be able to have some more good and quality teams in this frame.

I think the reason why the BCCI does not allow their players to play outside leagues is that first of all, they don't want to raise any potential competition and secondly, they are paying a lot of money to a lot of people in power and in that way they are doing what they think is best for them. Obviously, if they let the players play in other leagues, those leagues will also rise in popularity and maybe give IPL a good competition but by doing this they are eliminating any chance of that happening.

I agree with you that Big 3 is the main problem of ICC because they only need to evaluate a lot of good players in IPL and they are not paying proper attention to it.
Given the right price for cricket, youngsters can join it as professional cricketers which increases its popularity and we will be able to put some more good and quality teams in this frame. I hope the ICC will keep a close eye on this. This will increase the interest of every person in cricket.

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Quote from: galambo on February 21, 2022, 07:52:31 AM

I think all boards have accepted the dominance of big 3 specially India. No board is not willing to lose his IPL share thats why no one is speaking against BCCI policies.
IPL aside, I do agree with you that all boards less big 3 must unite together to make icc powerful entity to safe guard there rights otherwise today Pakistani players are not in IPL, tomorrow BBL may ban WI players or so on. Only in presence of strong ICC, rights of small entities will be protected.

No, it's not ICC's duty to check in these leagues and try interference, it's all about every country and board's own decision who is coming and who is not coming. Right now if ICC can do then they need to settle things for better adoption and marketing which is very important and most chances in next few years we are going to have completely changed set up in this game of cricket.

I guess this is going to work like soccer just very few events under ICC and all other enjoying their own leagues which is very good and fair for all because this will bring some better and strong system which helps these countries for having good funds for their domestic setup but sadly too many countries will be out of this all, and they will lose their all domestic system because they can't afford these leagues.

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Quote from: vvikkass on February 22, 2022, 01:14:31 AM

Quote from: Sithara007 on February 21, 2022, 10:17:21 PM

Even within the big-3, the dominance has changed. A decade or two ago, the BCCI, ECB and CA all had equal importance and strength. But once the IPL got established, the BCCI has managed to move ahead and carve a place for itself. Now the other two boards are dependent on the BCCI for a large share of their funds. Even their T20 leagues (Hundred and BBL) attract a lot of revenue from India. When Shashank Manohar was the chairman of the ICC, he took some strong steps to reduce the dominance of the BCCI. But now everything is back to ground zero, ever since the useless businessman Greg Barclay took over.

One thing I recently noticed is that Australia has made it compulsory for its players not to miss national team series. For the very first time Australian players are going to miss part of IPL due to there tour to Pakistan. If all boards take such decision we can definitely see less influence of BCCI. Its important for cricket that all boards must be at same level and all leagues must have same importance.

Agree to that but IPL is "Indian Premier league". Every player SHOULD give priority to their national team if selected. Irrespective of how much money they make in the IPL. It's not great news for IPL fans as they'll miss some top cricketers but that in turn could give a few budding Indian talent some chance to shine. Could be a win win scenario.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on February 21, 2022, 10:17:21 PM

Even within the big-3, the dominance has changed. A decade or two ago, the BCCI, ECB and CA all had equal importance and strength. But once the IPL got established, the BCCI has managed to move ahead and carve a place for itself. Now the other two boards are dependent on the BCCI for a large share of their funds. Even their T20 leagues (Hundred and BBL) attract a lot of revenue from India. When Shashank Manohar was the chairman of the ICC, he took some strong steps to reduce the dominance of the BCCI. But now everything is back to ground zero, ever since the useless businessman Greg Barclay took over.

One thing I recently noticed is that Australia has made it compulsory for its players not to miss national team series. For the very first time Australian players are going to miss part of IPL due to there tour to Pakistan. If all boards take such decision we can definitely see less influence of BCCI. Its important for cricket that all boards must be at same level and all leagues must have same importance.

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Quote from: galambo on February 21, 2022, 07:52:31 AM

I think all boards have accepted the dominance of big 3 specially India. No board is not willing to lose his IPL share thats why no one is speaking against BCCI policies.
IPL aside, I do agree with you that all boards less big 3 must unite together to make icc powerful entity to safe guard there rights otherwise today Pakistani players are not in IPL, tomorrow BBL may ban WI players or so on. Only in presence of strong ICC, rights of small entities will be protected.

Even within the big-3, the dominance has changed. A decade or two ago, the BCCI, ECB and CA all had equal importance and strength. But once the IPL got established, the BCCI has managed to move ahead and carve a place for itself. Now the other two boards are dependent on the BCCI for a large share of their funds. Even their T20 leagues (Hundred and BBL) attract a lot of revenue from India. When Shashank Manohar was the chairman of the ICC, he took some strong steps to reduce the dominance of the BCCI. But now everything is back to ground zero, ever since the useless businessman Greg Barclay took over.

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Quote from: Swordsoffreedom on February 21, 2022, 10:17:06 AM

I think the reason why the BCCI does not allow their players to play outside leagues is that first of all, they don't want to raise any potential competition and secondly, they are paying a lot of money to a lot of people in power and in that way they are doing what they think is best for them. Obviously, if they let the players play in other leagues, those leagues will also rise in popularity and maybe give IPL a good competition but by doing this they are eliminating any chance of that happening.

So where are the regulators in this case i.e. ICC? ICC stop cricket for IPL but cant stop such monopolies of BCCI. I also read here that BCCI never allow his men to take part in any other league but allow his female players to play WBBL and the hundred. If such thing continue to happen then rest of the world will never take this sports seriously.
If we say that cricket should move to league structure like that of football then we must have strong regulator who can overlook matters like FIFA is doing in football.

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Quote from: TheGreatPython on February 21, 2022, 07:45:53 AM

Here you are right Big-3 is main problem in ICC and cricket's better future specially Indian are doing dirty politics after introduction of IPL and having huge funds in their pockets.
But here concern is not IPL, and we are not talking why they are not allowing their players for other leagues and now allowing Pakistani cricketers in their league here is concern these all boards need to do some worth with ICC for having better structure and other facilities in countries where we can do some good for this game and youths can join this as professional cricketer which is increase its popularity, and we will be able to have some more good and quality teams in this frame.

I think the reason why the BCCI does not allow their players to play outside leagues is that first of all, they don't want to raise any potential competition and secondly, they are paying a lot of money to a lot of people in power and in that way they are doing what they think is best for them. Obviously, if they let the players play in other leagues, those leagues will also rise in popularity and maybe give IPL a good competition but by doing this they are eliminating any chance of that happening.

Quote from: galambo on February 21, 2022, 07:52:31 AM

I think all boards have accepted the dominance of big 3 specially India. No board is not willing to lose his IPL share thats why no one is speaking against BCCI policies.
IPL aside, I do agree with you that all boards less big 3 must unite together to make icc powerful entity to safe guard there rights otherwise today Pakistani players are not in IPL, tomorrow BBL may ban WI players or so on. Only in presence of strong ICC, rights of small entities will be protected.

I don't think that is going to happen. Because ICC is getting paid really well from these boards. And if the money wasn't that sweet I think I would have done something about this already. But obviously, this has to change because if this keeps happening the situation will worsen over time.

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Quote from: TheGreatPython on February 21, 2022, 07:45:53 AM

Here you are right Big-3 is main problem in ICC and cricket's better future specially Indian are doing dirty politics after introduction of IPL and having huge funds in their pockets.

But here concern is not IPL, and we are not talking why they are not allowing their players for other leagues and now allowing Pakistani cricketers in their league here is concern these all boards need to do some worth with ICC for having better structure and other facilities in countries where we can do some good for this game and youths can join this as professional cricketer which is increase its popularity, and we will be able to have some more good and quality teams in this frame.

I think all boards have accepted the dominance of big 3 specially India. No board is not willing to lose his IPL share thats why no one is speaking against BCCI policies.
IPL aside, I do agree with you that all boards less big 3 must unite together to make icc powerful entity to safe guard there rights otherwise today Pakistani players are not in IPL, tomorrow BBL may ban WI players or so on. Only in presence of strong ICC, rights of small entities will be protected.

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Quote from: galambo on February 21, 2022, 03:28:48 AM

Attitude of big-3 specially India is very arrogant, as they have rules like no indian player will play any foreign leagues, no Pakistani player can play IPL and what you mentioned (not sending team to Asian games). More sad is role of ICC in such situations as it merely has no authority to solve things when there is conflict. Do you ever wonder where are teams of kenya, Zimbabwe?

Here you are right Big-3 is main problem in ICC and cricket's better future specially Indian are doing dirty politics after introduction of IPL and having huge funds in their pockets.

But here concern is not IPL, and we are not talking why they are not allowing their players for other leagues and now allowing Pakistani cricketers in their league here is concern these all boards need to do some worth with ICC for having better structure and other facilities in countries where we can do some good for this game and youths can join this as professional cricketer which is increase its popularity, and we will be able to have some more good and quality teams in this frame.

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Quote from: galambo on February 21, 2022, 03:28:48 AM

Quote from: Emitdama on February 21, 2022, 02:48:30 AM

ICC is supreme authority in Cricket, and they need to do some work for bringing more nations into this community with the help of other countries, but sadly right now they are involved in politics more than game, so it's a big concern right now for this all.

As currently short format is developing with many non cricket playing nations they need to do some marketing which bring better progress now recently we have some positive announcement about cricket in Olympics but still it's not easy and will take some good time because many countries have no facilities for game which is a problem and now recently Indian Board announces they will not send their cricket team in Asian games which is also another issue many countries never take this serious due to their own politics.

Attitude of big-3 specially India is very arrogant, as they have rules like no indian player will play any foreign leagues, no Pakistani player can play IPL and what you mentioned (not sending team to Asian games). More sad is role of ICC in such situations as it merely has no authority to solve things when there is conflict. Do you ever wonder where are teams of kenya, Zimbabwe?

Yes its really sad what happened with teams like Zimbabwe and Kenya. I still remember in 2003 50 over world cup India played the semi finals with Kenya. Also at that time Zimbabwe was considered to be a very good team. But now these teams have just dissapeared. I dont have even heard of kenya since years. I dont think they are even playing with associate nations.

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Quote from: Emitdama on February 21, 2022, 02:48:30 AM

ICC is supreme authority in Cricket, and they need to do some work for bringing more nations into this community with the help of other countries, but sadly right now they are involved in politics more than game, so it's a big concern right now for this all.

As currently short format is developing with many non cricket playing nations they need to do some marketing which bring better progress now recently we have some positive announcement about cricket in Olympics but still it's not easy and will take some good time because many countries have no facilities for game which is a problem and now recently Indian Board announces they will not send their cricket team in Asian games which is also another issue many countries never take this serious due to their own politics.

Attitude of big-3 specially India is very arrogant, as they have rules like no indian player will play any foreign leagues, no Pakistani player can play IPL and what you mentioned (not sending team to Asian games). More sad is role of ICC in such situations as it merely has no authority to solve things when there is conflict. Do you ever wonder where are teams of kenya, Zimbabwe?

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Quote from: 7788bitcoin on February 20, 2022, 05:39:09 PM

How can we blame ICC because they are not getting popular among nations that are not even taking the sport seriously. If you need to attract the best talents, you need to have the incentives to play the game, if not good athletes will find a sport that will give the financial freedom. With T20 leagues getting popular we might see talents from countries that are not popular with the game and for the game to get more attention it should be included in the Olympics, if so we can see a major change.

ICC is supreme authority in Cricket, and they need to do some work for bringing more nations into this community with the help of other countries, but sadly right now they are involved in politics more than game, so it's a big concern right now for this all.

As currently short format is developing with many non cricket playing nations they need to do some marketing which bring better progress now recently we have some positive announcement about cricket in Olympics but still it's not easy and will take some good time because many countries have no facilities for game which is a problem and now recently Indian Board announces they will not send their cricket team in Asian games which is also another issue many countries never take this serious due to their own politics.

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Quote from: Emitdama on February 20, 2022, 02:02:08 PM

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Surely cricket is completely different from soccer, and we have not market like soccer but still I will blame ICC for this all because they completely fail even now they have very good chance with short formats that they can spread this and have very good results but sadly due to internal issues they are not working about this even now we are losing teams from these 10 teams as well.

How can we blame ICC because they are not getting popular among nations that are not even taking the sport seriously. If you need to attract the best talents, you need to have the incentives to play the game, if not good athletes will find a sport that will give the financial freedom. With T20 leagues getting popular we might see talents from countries that are not popular with the game and for the game to get more attention it should be included in the Olympics, if so we can see a major change.

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Quote from: Maidak on February 20, 2022, 01:25:23 AM

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So ultimately the cricket leagues like IPL and PSL choose their players from well-known national teams. As we can see that cricket is a game which is played with the national team more than league teams, the number of nations playing cricket needs to increase as soon as possible.

The IPL is scouting players from domestic leagues all around the globe and a performance in the IPL will give them a call up to their national team. Sunil Narine and David Miller are a few players that had a long stay in their national team due to their performance in the IPL. There are a lot of players that are in the Indian team that are solely selected due to their performance in the IPL.

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Quote from: blatchcorn on February 20, 2022, 12:25:58 AM

Cricket is very different then Football. There are 100 strong football teams worldwide while in cricket we hardly have 10 teams that are capable of playing test. ICC has done its part in elimination of cricket from countries like Zim and Kenya who once have decent cricket teams.
Its board who give recognition to players by including them in national squad and from there they are picked by league's. IPL always picks players from national teams of different countries they never pick domestic players of foreign countries. Boards have the right to allow or not for IPL or anyother league.

Surely cricket is completely different from soccer, and we have not market like soccer but still I will blame ICC for this all because they completely fail even now they have very good chance with short formats that they can spread this and have very good results but sadly due to internal issues they are not working about this even now we are losing teams from these 10 teams as well.

Few crises in South Africa and Zimbabwe with West Indies is already out of cricket with their domestic issues and very few teams are capable for providing good quality game because mostly others have no good structure for this. Cricket is currently having some better future in Asian Sub-continent and Australia New Zealand regions, all others are on verge of losing their grip.

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Quote from: Maidak on February 20, 2022, 01:25:23 AM

I think that's the problem because in football we can see that a lot of players who are not that well known for playing with their national team, still get recognized because of the domestic league they play in.

But in cricket, the only way to get recognized is through international play and by playing with the national team. When there is no team to play with it's absolutely impossible to get recognized by the leagues.

So ultimately the cricket leagues like IPL and PSL choose their players from well-known national teams. As we can see that cricket is a game which is played with the national team more than league teams, the number of nations playing cricket needs to increase as soon as possible.

In PSL we see lot many players who have not played any international cricket for there country just because of there domestic cricket performance they are selected, for instance, Will Smeed of Quetta Gladiators. In IPL there is no way you can be selected if you are a domestic oversea player only inidan domestic players are selected.

Cricket these is revolving around IPL these days. So we can't compare cricket with football.

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Quote from: blatchcorn on February 20, 2022, 12:25:58 AM

Cricket is very different then Football. There are 100 strong football teams worldwide while in cricket we hardly have 10 teams that are capable of playing test. ICC has done its part in elimination of cricket from countries like Zim and Kenya who once have decent cricket teams.
Its board who give recognition to players by including them in national squad and from there they are picked by league's. IPL always picks players from national teams of different countries they never pick domestic players of foreign countries. Boards have the right to allow or not for IPL or anyother league.

I think that's the problem because in football we can see that a lot of players who are not that well known for playing with their national team, still get recognized because of the domestic league they play in.

But in cricket, the only way to get recognized is through international play and by playing with the national team. When there is no team to play with it's absolutely impossible to get recognized by the leagues.

So ultimately the cricket leagues like IPL and PSL choose their players from well-known national teams. As we can see that cricket is a game which is played with the national team more than league teams, the number of nations playing cricket needs to increase as soon as possible.

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Quote from: Maidak on February 19, 2022, 10:29:56 AM

I think that they wanted to make it like football. But we all know that international matches are really important in cricket and a lot more than football. So I think there need to be set rules which the player will have to follow if they want to play League cricket.

But the problem is sometimes in the past we have seen that the boards have refused their players to play IPL but the players did anyway and the boards took Strict action against those players. But we still see a lot of players disregarding the decision of the boards and go for playing League cricket because the day is really good.

Cricket is very different then Football. There are 100 strong football teams worldwide while in cricket we hardly have 10 teams that are capable of playing test. ICC has done its part in elimination of cricket from countries like Zim and Kenya who once have decent cricket teams.
Its board who give recognition to players by including them in national squad and from there they are picked by league's. IPL always picks players from national teams of different countries they never pick domestic players of foreign countries. Boards have the right to allow or not for IPL or anyother league.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on February 18, 2022, 08:50:23 PM

Quote from: eaLiTy on February 18, 2022, 06:35:52 PM

The Indian Women players are not making the same amount of money the men's cricketers are earning and hence they are allowed to play in any league they want and they do not have a tight schedule like men cricket players. The problem is, if there is no set rules to restrict the players from taking part in leagues around the globe, you will not see any bilateral series or domestic tournaments and certainly the ICC or any cricket boards would not want that to happen.

My suggestion is that Cricket Australia and ECB should ban Indian women's players from taking part in the WBBL and The Women's Hundred. Why should they be allowed to participate when the Indian men players are not allowed in BBL/Hundred? It is not the responsibility of these cricket boards to groom the female Indian players. The BCCI can't simply outsource their job abroad. They are the richest cricket board, and still they don't want to spend money on setting up a new women's franchise T20 league.

That's actually very well said. India is one of the richest boards in ICC. And if they don't wanna start a women's T20 league, it's a shame.

I think India knows very well that it might not bring the revenue that they want, so why even bother taking that risk, right?

India has been saying that they are going to take necessary steps for arranging a women's T20 league but I highly doubt that they are actually going to do something about it in the recent future.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on February 18, 2022, 08:50:23 PM

My suggestion is that Cricket Australia and ECB should ban Indian women's players from taking part in the WBBL and The Women's Hundred.

That's something ECB and CA also knows but cant speak in front of BCCI since they don't wanna lose there share in money rich BCCI. Nobody is willing to take women cricket seriously.

Well, at least no one in India is really taking women's cricket seriously. But I really don't understand why the Indian women's team is not bad at all. I think it would have brought a decent viewership too. Probably just a case of BCCI not wanting to take the risk I guess.

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