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Quote from: UmerIdrees on December 17, 2021, 06:16:54 AM

What other topics you want on this thread other than cricket. Mind it , it is a cricket discussion thread and therefore you can only discuss about cricket here. For other games and topics you need to write in the respective threads.

Yeah, It's been unfortunate to postpone the series to June 2022. Pakistan was in great form and they would have wanted to whitewash the ODI series too but now they have to wait another six months to celebrate the ODI wash white.

Cricket is an unpredictable game, you can't say WI will be as weak as they are till Jun 2022 or Pakistan will be as strong as they are now till Jun 2022. If WI can call back there players that are playing leagues worldwide by Jun 2022 the outcome of series will be different. Don't celebrate until you win.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on December 17, 2021, 09:36:07 PM

Depends. Being a cricket fan, I would like cricket to become more popular. For that inclusion in Olympics is a must, because it is the grandest sporting event in the planet. Also, many of the countries allocate monetary grants to sports only if they are included in the Olympic Games. Nowadays, the ICC has also cut down the number of teams participating in world cup to just 10. I don't even want to call a ten-team tournament as "World Cup". Even for the Kabaddi world cup, we have more number of participants.

That's because too many associate teams takes level of cricket too low. There are only 5 to 6 countries that have good cricket team rest of countries have very weak teams. See Oman, Scotland and Namibia teams in last T20 WC, they have too low level of cricket teams.

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Quote from: UmerIdrees on December 15, 2021, 04:29:03 AM

By the way do we need cricket to include in the Olympics ? The only benefit I see is that it will reach to a broader audience and some new countries might show interest in playing this game.

So who is the next captain of Indian T20 cricket team who have the courage to lead the team

Depends. Being a cricket fan, I would like cricket to become more popular. For that inclusion in Olympics is a must, because it is the grandest sporting event in the planet. Also, many of the countries allocate monetary grants to sports only if they are included in the Olympic Games. Nowadays, the ICC has also cut down the number of teams participating in world cup to just 10. I don't even want to call a ten-team tournament as "World Cup". Even for the Kabaddi world cup, we have more number of participants.

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Quote from: og kush420 on December 16, 2021, 11:26:09 AM

We need some other topic at this thread. Enough with cricket. Bad news for Pakistan cricket fans as Pakistan and Windies ODI series has been postponed because of too many covid19 cases in Windies team. Surprisingly there is no case in Pakistan team. This will hurt pcb, as they are trying to bring back international cricket in the country.

What other topics you want on this thread other than cricket. Mind it , it is a cricket discussion thread and therefore you can only discuss about cricket here. For other games and topics you need to write in the respective threads.

Yeah, It's been unfortunate to postpone the series to June 2022. Pakistan was in great form and they would have wanted to whitewash the ODI series too but now they have to wait another six months to celebrate the ODI wash white.

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We need some other topic at this thread. Enough with cricket. Bad news for Pakistan cricket fans as Pakistan and Windies ODI series has been postponed because of too many covid19 cases in Windies team. Surprisingly there is no case in Pakistan team. This will hurt pcb, as they are trying to bring back international cricket in the country.

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Quote from: UmerIdrees on December 15, 2021, 04:29:03 AM

By the way do we need cricket to include in the Olympics ? The only benefit I see is that it will reach to a broader audience and some new countries might show interest in playing this game.

So who is the next captain of Indian T20 cricket team who have the courage to lead the team

Of course we need to see cricket in Olympics, it will be good for cricket. There are only 10 test playing countries right now, performance of SL, WI and Bangladesh is very much down. If we have more teams then pool of strong teams will increase and we can see some quality cricket all over the year. IMO big-3 are not in favor of more nations to join in.

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Quote from: UmerIdrees on December 15, 2021, 04:29:03 AM

By the way do we need cricket to include in the Olympics ? The only benefit I see is that it will reach to a broader audience and some new countries might show interest in playing this game.

So who is the next captain of Indian T20 cricket team who have the courage to lead the team

Olympics has its own parameters for every game. See football, I think players up to age 25 years are allowed to played in olympics that's why Brazil has only won 2 gold medal so far. If cricket goes there then same filters may be applied to it also. Dont expect same squads will be playing there.

Rohit Sharma is already named as Indian T20 captain. Under his captaincy India played recent T20 series againest NZ.

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Quote from: Juggy777 on December 14, 2021, 07:52:46 AM

@Sithara007 I don’t understand why every few days we discuss cricket and Olympics again and again, because there’s been no new development that we know about. Lastly I personally feel that this topic should be revived when there’s some actual news which says that it’ll be included, and till then let’s halt repeated discussions on this topic.

I do agree with you there is no point in discussing cricket and Olympics. Cricket is not going in Olympics for at-least next 10 to 15 years (case closed).

Meanwhile Virat Kohli at press conference on Wednesday said, I was informed about my removal as ODI captain just one-and-a-half hours before the selection of squad for South Africa. (source)

He also told that he himself resigned from T20 captaincy.

By the way do we need cricket to include in the Olympics ? The only benefit I see is that it will reach to a broader audience and some new countries might show interest in playing this game.

So who is the next captain of Indian T20 cricket team who have the courage to lead the team

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Quote from: Juggy777 on December 14, 2021, 07:52:46 AM

@Sithara007 I don’t understand why every few days we discuss cricket and Olympics again and again, because there’s been no new development that we know about. Lastly I personally feel that this topic should be revived when there’s some actual news which says that it’ll be included, and till then let’s halt repeated discussions on this topic.

I do agree with you there is no point in discussing cricket and Olympics. Cricket is not going in Olympics for at-least next 10 to 15 years (case closed).

Meanwhile Virat Kohli at press conference on Wednesday said, I was informed about my removal as ODI captain just one-and-a-half hours before the selection of squad for South Africa. (source)

He also told that he himself resigned from T20 captaincy.

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Quote from: Juggy777 on December 14, 2021, 07:52:46 AM

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Quote from: mm2543363580 on December 12, 2021, 02:00:44 PM

I think Olympic has some requirements for every game that it must be played in certain number of continents and countries. Cricket is no way near to be in Olympics and it will never be thanks to collective effort of BCCI and ICC. There are only 10 proper cricket teams right now and rest of countries have teams just for fun like we saw gulf team recently Oman.

From what I heard, the International Olympic Committee (IOC) was interested in including cricket as one of the disciplines. If number of countries is the sole concern, then sports such as Baseball and Softball will never be included. It was the ICC which rejected the proposal from the IOC. They put forward insane and unrealistic conditions for the inclusion and even then the IOC wanted to negotiate with them. At at this point, the ICC president (N Srinivasan) explicitly stated that they are not interested in Olympic inclusion.

@Sithara007 I don’t understand why every few days we discuss cricket and Olympics again and again, because there’s been no new development that we know about. Lastly I personally feel that this topic should be revived when there’s some actual news which says that it’ll be included, and till then let’s halt repeated discussions on this topic.

Yes there is no authentic and official update that any thing has been done towards it and I dont see cricket getting included in olympics for atleast 10 years. ICC or BCCI or any other cricket board around the world is not looking interested towards this. It is far away before that much more countries need to playing cricket.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on December 13, 2021, 10:50:12 PM

Quote from: mm2543363580 on December 12, 2021, 02:00:44 PM

I think Olympic has some requirements for every game that it must be played in certain number of continents and countries. Cricket is no way near to be in Olympics and it will never be thanks to collective effort of BCCI and ICC. There are only 10 proper cricket teams right now and rest of countries have teams just for fun like we saw gulf team recently Oman.

From what I heard, the International Olympic Committee (IOC) was interested in including cricket as one of the disciplines. If number of countries is the sole concern, then sports such as Baseball and Softball will never be included. It was the ICC which rejected the proposal from the IOC. They put forward insane and unrealistic conditions for the inclusion and even then the IOC wanted to negotiate with them. At at this point, the ICC president (N Srinivasan) explicitly stated that they are not interested in Olympic inclusion.

@Sithara007 I don’t understand why every few days we discuss cricket and Olympics again and again, because there’s been no new development that we know about. Lastly I personally feel that this topic should be revived when there’s some actual news which says that it’ll be included, and till then let’s halt repeated discussions on this topic.

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Quote from: mm2543363580 on December 12, 2021, 02:00:44 PM

I think Olympic has some requirements for every game that it must be played in certain number of continents and countries. Cricket is no way near to be in Olympics and it will never be thanks to collective effort of BCCI and ICC. There are only 10 proper cricket teams right now and rest of countries have teams just for fun like we saw gulf team recently Oman.

From what I heard, the International Olympic Committee (IOC) was interested in including cricket as one of the disciplines. If number of countries is the sole concern, then sports such as Baseball and Softball will never be included. It was the ICC which rejected the proposal from the IOC. They put forward insane and unrealistic conditions for the inclusion and even then the IOC wanted to negotiate with them. At at this point, the ICC president (N Srinivasan) explicitly stated that they are not interested in Olympic inclusion.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on December 12, 2021, 06:36:41 AM

Well.. it has been the other way around. During the Srinivasan/Pawar era, it was the BCCI which sabotaged all the globalization plans laid by the previous ICC president Jagmohan Dalmiya. If Dalmiya had his way, then cricket would have been an Olympic sports by 2012, or latest by 2016. The cartel sabotaged it, and now the earliest date possible is 2032. Meanwhile, other sports have gone ahead with their own globalization programs, and as a result minor sports like Rugby, Kabaddi and Baseball are now played in more countries when compared to cricket (numbers for cricket are inflated, as most of the teams are completely made up of foreigners).

I think Olympic has some requirements for every game that it must be played in certain number of continents and countries. Cricket is no way near to be in Olympics and it will never be thanks to collective effort of BCCI and ICC. There are only 10 proper cricket teams right now and rest of countries have teams just for fun like we saw gulf team recently Oman.

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Yes its the fact that cricket is not played widely across the world. Frankly at the moment only 4-5 countries compete good against each other... You can count 5 more but only 10 countries playing this sports is a very less number. Yes there are other countries but they are no way near the level of top teams. Cricket must be promoted all around the world and board like bcci must with help of icc should do that.

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Quote from: JohnBitCo on December 12, 2021, 02:08:02 AM

Since BCCI is leading the cricket administration, its become more of a responsibility for them to further spread cricket awareness in other countries.

Unfortunately, Cricket is one of those sports which is not played widely among many countries.

Well.. it has been the other way around. During the Srinivasan/Pawar era, it was the BCCI which sabotaged all the globalization plans laid by the previous ICC president Jagmohan Dalmiya. If Dalmiya had his way, then cricket would have been an Olympic sports by 2012, or latest by 2016. The cartel sabotaged it, and now the earliest date possible is 2032. Meanwhile, other sports have gone ahead with their own globalization programs, and as a result minor sports like Rugby, Kabaddi and Baseball are now played in more countries when compared to cricket (numbers for cricket are inflated, as most of the teams are completely made up of foreigners).

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Quote from: UmerIdrees on December 11, 2021, 05:31:59 AM

That is so very true that teams like NZ, AUS, ENG will keep on playing in India despite of smog, covid, or terrorism in India. The reason is that money is above all those things and humans do not care about their health but they care only about money making opportunities.

India control will further tightened as bcci is planning to increase ipl operations by including few more team's. Cricket is a game that is played in very few countries, if cricket gets its central control in India rather then in hands of icc then as a game it won't progress. Not to forget ipl is ban for people that are not liked by bcci.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on December 11, 2021, 09:01:10 AM

Quote from: Theones on December 11, 2021, 03:34:04 AM

There is no comparison of PCB and BCCI. There are very few boards that are willing to play in Pakistan while there is hardly any board that can say no to BCCI. The reason is obvious, nobody wanna lose IPL contracts. For every player Foreign or local, money is supreme thing. Thats why whole world plays IPL in India in April this year despite peak of covid19.

I am not going to deny that. BCCI is literally dominating the cricket administration at this point, similar to a level where the US is dominating baseball/basketball with MBL/NBA. And I don't really think that the situation is going to change anytime soon, given the fact that it is the Indian diaspora which is dominating the cricket boards even in other countries like the United States and Canada. Increasing number of Indian origin players are getting included in teams like New Zealand and England as well.

Since BCCI is leading the cricket administration, its become more of a responsibility for them to further spread cricket awareness in other countries.

Unfortunately, Cricket is one of those sports which is not played widely among many countries.

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Quote from: Theones on December 11, 2021, 03:34:04 AM

There is no comparison of PCB and BCCI. There are very few boards that are willing to play in Pakistan while there is hardly any board that can say no to BCCI. The reason is obvious, nobody wanna lose IPL contracts. For every player Foreign or local, money is supreme thing. Thats why whole world plays IPL in India in April this year despite peak of covid19.

I am not going to deny that. BCCI is literally dominating the cricket administration at this point, similar to a level where the US is dominating baseball/basketball with MBL/NBA. And I don't really think that the situation is going to change anytime soon, given the fact that it is the Indian diaspora which is dominating the cricket boards even in other countries like the United States and Canada. Increasing number of Indian origin players are getting included in teams like New Zealand and England as well.

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Quote from: Theones on December 11, 2021, 03:34:04 AM

Quote from: Sithara007 on December 11, 2021, 01:26:39 AM

LOL.. if this is the case, then Delhi should not be hosting any matches at all. The AQI there is much worse than what they have in Lahore. The stubble burning season is in full swing and the air in northern parts of India and Pakistan can be described as "hazardous" if not outright toxic. Ideally no foreign teams should be visiting this region until the air quality improves. PCB did the right thing by moving the matches to coastal city. I guess they have a cricket stadium in Gwadar as well, which is very scenic.

There is no comparison of PCB and BCCI. There are very few boards that are willing to play in Pakistan while there is hardly any board that can say no to BCCI. The reason is obvious, nobody wanna lose IPL contracts. For every player Foreign or local, money is supreme thing. Thats why whole world plays IPL in India in April this year despite peak of covid19.

That is so very true that teams like NZ, AUS, ENG will keep on playing in India despite of smog, covid, or terrorism in India. The reason is that money is above all those things and humans do not care about their health but they care only about money making opportunities.

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Quote from: og kush420 on December 11, 2021, 12:42:06 AM

Quote from: Sithara007 on December 10, 2021, 10:53:33 PM

I agree with galambo. Usually I post here, when I need to debate on the ICC funding, associate member status, player issues.etc. These are not specific to any one format of cricket, and therefore I guess this one is the most suitable thread. Anyway, it is manageable. Look at this sub-forum. You can find dozens of threads each for football and boxing. So I don't think that there is anything wrong in having an additional thread for general discussion. Also, I guess this is the oldest thread related to cricket in this forum.

Glad moderator hasn't locked this thread yet. There are more votes in favour of this thread vs against. There is thread for every football league but for all cricket leagues we have one thread here. All other thread are occupied with cricket matches discussion, let this be for general discussion.

I came up with the idea to lock this thread but seeing people wanted to keep this thread open is perfectly fine too provided we keep this thread as active as the other three format-specific threads. I noticed that after a few posts, no one discuss here and after weeks, someone again bumps this thread for a brief discussion and then it again goes into hibernation.

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